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christians4jews:
--- Quote from: muman613 on December 30, 2009, 12:15:19 PM ---
--- Quote from: christians4jews on December 30, 2009, 12:11:38 PM ---
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--- Quote from: christians4jews on December 30, 2009, 11:54:33 AM ---
--- Quote from: Ron Of Judah on December 29, 2009, 04:32:15 PM --- בס"ד
What is your opinion on the Missionaries around the world and especially those who work against Jewish communities around the world and Israel, or Jews generally?
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obviously i was taught to "spread the word". but i realised that that actually put people off, by forcing my opinion on others, whether that be a atheist, a jewish person, etc. I now have a crucifix tattoed on my forearm, but i never actively tell people my religion.
So to answer your original question i think its wrong to force opinions apon people, inluding missionaries on jews. If people want to find out about yeshua they can easily, whether it be local book shops of simply the internet..
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You do realize that belief in the man-G-d is heresy in Judaism and we do not believe your 'yesha' was messiah, a savior, or anything aside from a bad Jew...
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never said you did believe in jesus, i think the fact that the jewish faith doesnt have the new testament shows they do not believe in jesus as the messiah.
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It is also an insult to Judaism to refer to the Holy Torah as the "New Testament"... The covenant which Hashem made with the Jewish people at Sinai is forever, without end.... There is no such thing as a "New Testament", only the word of heretics...
Why did so many Jews get burned at the stake because they would not bow to the statue of the dead Jew on the cross? I am not blaming you, but dont expect religious Jews to accept your belief as righteous because according to our belief it is the ideology of Essau which the church and the gospel preach. You do know that the NT is full of antisemitism? But we at JTF try to get along so long as the non-Jews don't discuss their 'savior' or attempt to missionize.
When Moshiach comes the entire world will know it, and those who followed false messiahs will either drop their false beliefs, or be destroyed with the rest of the evil in the world.
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huh??i neve claimed the new testament was the torah, hence why i said the fact that the jews dont follow the "man god" is shown by the fact they dont follow the new testament.
As for the new testament being anti semitic, i nsee that to be honest. if people believing that a messiah coming earlier than what you believe in is antismeitisn then so be it.
The fact is that in my eyes jesus is a a jew, all his diciples were jews, the people that wrote the bible were jews..Again unless you count people believing in another messiah is antisemitism then so be it..
I have alot of jewish blood in my family, and ive had to argue with so many atheists/muslims and even christians about their antisemitic thouhts.
So if anything i missionize in spreading the word about israel and who the land truely belongs to.
muman613:
--- Quote from: looserivet on December 30, 2009, 01:32:50 PM ---
--- Quote from: muman613 on December 30, 2009, 12:08:23 PM ---
--- Quote from: christians4jews on December 30, 2009, 11:54:33 AM ---
--- Quote from: Ron Of Judah on December 29, 2009, 04:32:15 PM --- בס"ד
What is your opinion on the Missionaries around the world and especially those who work against Jewish communities around the world and Israel, or Jews generally?
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obviously i was taught to "spread the word". but i realised that that actually put people off, by forcing my opinion on others, whether that be a atheist, a jewish person, etc. I now have a crucifix tattoed on my forearm, but i never actively tell people my religion.
So to answer your original question i think its wrong to force opinions apon people, inluding missionaries on jews. If people want to find out about yeshua they can easily, whether it be local book shops of simply the internet..
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You do realize that belief in the man-G-d is heresy in Judaism and we do not believe your 'yesha' was messiah, a savior, or anything aside from a bad Jew...
Hashem is incorporeal, he has no body... He is infinite, without beginning or end... Belief in 'jebus' is diametrically opposed to the basic tenets of Judaism. Jews who know Judaism will never accept him as anything other than a heretic, and others don't even think that he existed.
Missionaries are evil because they attempt to turn a Jew away from the ONE TRUE G-D of Israel. It is a command to Jews to never pray to an intermediary, yet your 'savior' said that the only way to get 'redemption' is through Jebus... There are many proofs that Jebus was not Moshiach, he was not G-d, and he was teaching heresy to his followers.
PS: Tattooes are also forbidden in Judaism.
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I'm just wondering who "Jebus" is so did a quik google and found this http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jebus and was wondering what motives you had for using this word?
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looserivet,
I am one who takes literally the commandment in Torah to blot out the name of a foreign g.o.d... Let me find that verse in Torah:
http://www.chabad.org/parshah/torahreading_cdo/aid/36235
--- Quote ---Torah Reading for Re'eh
Deuteronomy 11:26-16:17
Chapter 12
1. These are the statutes and ordinances that you shall keep to perform in the land which the Lord G-d of your fathers gives you to possess all the days that you live on the earth.
2. You shall utterly destroy from all the places where the nations, that you shall possess, worshipped their gods, upon the lofty mountains and upon the hills, and under every lush tree.
3. And you shall tear down their altars, smash their monuments, burn their asherim with fire, cut down the graven images of their gods, and destroy their name from that place.
4. You shall not do so to the Lord, your G-d.
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Rashis comment on this pasuk :
--- Quote ---and destroy their name: By giving them disgraceful nicknames. What they call בֵּית גליא,“exalted temple,” [you] should call בֵּית כְּלִיָא,“dug out house,” what they call עַיִן כָּל,“the all-seeing eye,” [you] should call עַיִן קוֹץ “the thorn eye.” - [A.Z. 46a]
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To a religious Jew we view the fact that christians believe that G-d could be a man as a form of idolatry, or worshiping foreign gods, called Avodah Zarah. If we use the name, which others ascribe divine power, then we transgress this mitzvah...
This is my understanding of this commandment...
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/1019856/jewish/Text-of-Shabbat-Chol-Hamoed-Torah-Reading.htm
--- Quote ---Exodus 34
11. Keep carefully what I am commanding you today: Lo! I will drive out from before you the Amorites and the Canaanites, the Hittites and the Perizzites, the Hivvites and the Jebusites. 12. Beware lest you form a covenant with the inhabitant(s) of the land into which you are coming, lest it become a snare in your midst. 13. But you shall demolish their altars, shatter their monuments, and cut down their sacred trees. 14. For you shall not prostrate yourself before another G-d, because the Lord, Whose Name is "Jealous One," is a jealous G-d. 15. Lest you form a covenant with the inhabitant(s) of the land, and they [the gentiles] go astray after their gods, and they offer sacrifices to their gods, and they invite you, and you eat of their slaughtering, 16. and you take of their daughters for your sons; then their daughters will go astray after their gods and lead your sons astray after their gods. 17. You shall not make molten gods for yourself.
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http://www.jewishmag.com/92mag/jealousgod/jealousgod.htm
looserivet:
--- Quote from: muman613 on December 30, 2009, 02:18:45 PM ---
--- Quote from: looserivet on December 30, 2009, 01:32:50 PM ---
--- Quote from: muman613 on December 30, 2009, 12:08:23 PM ---
--- Quote from: christians4jews on December 30, 2009, 11:54:33 AM ---
--- Quote from: Ron Of Judah on December 29, 2009, 04:32:15 PM --- בס"ד
What is your opinion on the Missionaries around the world and especially those who work against Jewish communities around the world and Israel, or Jews generally?
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obviously i was taught to "spread the word". but i realised that that actually put people off, by forcing my opinion on others, whether that be a atheist, a jewish person, etc. I now have a crucifix tattoed on my forearm, but i never actively tell people my religion.
So to answer your original question i think its wrong to force opinions apon people, inluding missionaries on jews. If people want to find out about yeshua they can easily, whether it be local book shops of simply the internet..
--- End quote ---
You do realize that belief in the man-G-d is heresy in Judaism and we do not believe your 'yesha' was messiah, a savior, or anything aside from a bad Jew...
Hashem is incorporeal, he has no body... He is infinite, without beginning or end... Belief in 'jebus' is diametrically opposed to the basic tenets of Judaism. Jews who know Judaism will never accept him as anything other than a heretic, and others don't even think that he existed.
Missionaries are evil because they attempt to turn a Jew away from the ONE TRUE G-D of Israel. It is a command to Jews to never pray to an intermediary, yet your 'savior' said that the only way to get 'redemption' is through Jebus... There are many proofs that Jebus was not Moshiach, he was not G-d, and he was teaching heresy to his followers.
PS: Tattooes are also forbidden in Judaism.
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I'm just wondering who "Jebus" is so did a quick google and found this http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jebus and was wondering what motives you had for using this word?
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looserivet,
I am one who takes literally the commandment in Torah to blot out the name of a foreign g.o.d... Let me find that verse in Torah:
http://www.chabad.org/parshah/torahreading_cdo/aid/36235
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Ok but to some Christians that is very insulting, Jesus is not a God, he is our מָשִׁיחַ. Anyhow I can see why you might not want to call him Jesus but to call him from a character from "The Simpson's" is quite demeaning. Could you not have called him "son of Mary, son of Joseph and Mary, the famous son of Nazareth" etc etc.
Moshe92:
looserivet, I doubt Muman knew that he was using a term from the Simpsons. Lets just drop this conversation.
Rubystars:
Christian4Jews, do you ever get tired of how some Jews try to make people who want to be their friends into enemies, and then act upset because there are so many anti-Semites in the world?
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