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To risk life, limb & shabbos.....for a Haitian Hamitic ingrate?!
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: wonga66 on January 16, 2010, 05:29:13 PM ---The rabbonon may have qualified the halacho l'ma'aseh today, but I am pretty sure that to break shabbos to save a gentile life is, in ideal d'Oraiso terms, prohibited. The concepts of pikuach nefesh, sakonos nefoshos and putting oneself in physical danger or considerable risk for a goy, may not even apply.
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Practically our whole religion is derabanan. So classfiying something as derabanan accomplishes zilch, it's 100% binding halacha. But I'm not sure that this is derabanan! Halacha lamaaseh ? Maybe, maybe not - depends on who you ask, I'm sure. But I'm not at all convinced that it can be called "derabanan" although I could be wrong, let me ask around.
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: wonga66 on January 16, 2010, 06:00:04 PM ---In my experience, R.Bar Chayim no longer responds to Halachic questions, even on his site. Being now over 50, having come under scathing attack, and being an Australian, he may have withdrawn.
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You are speaking pure sheker. There is nowhere on his site to even ask questions. The only way to ask him questions is to send the question to his email address, which is directly to him. I have sent him halachic shailot and he has responded to me. There are many people contacting him from all over the world from what I understand as well. And I can assure you that I have learned by this great chacham and however old he may be, his mind is as sharp as ever (50 is not even old!). That you would question that from a place of complete ignorance and pointless speculation is offensive.
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: Ariel Shayn on January 17, 2010, 12:16:55 AM ---
Lt. Col Henry Opus, of the French Foreign Legion, IDF, and Marines told me it is OK to break shabbat rules if a life may be saved. He's not a religious Jew [he grew up Orthodox, like many European Jews of his day], but he is a Holocaust survivor [he must be very well acquainted with G-d], and I hold him in high esteem.
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He may be a tremendous tzadik (righteous person) and heroic Jew, but none of this has anything to do with what the Jewish religion says about this issue. And as much as you or I may like and respect Lt. Col Opus, he cannot personally decide the laws of Judaism. So unless he is quoting what his rav explained and taught to him, he is clearly not qualified to decide the matter considering he's not religious and likely has not studied it in depth. If I'm wrong and he's a talmud scholar, fine, but that does not seem to be the case based on what you are saying, and if he is not, there is no business in quoting his opinion.
--- Quote ---"He who saves a life, it is as if he has saved the whole world." [Talmud] <-I am looking at joining Magen David Adom when I make Aliyah; this is a phrase they often use. Given that the whole world is not Jewish, I think it's okay to save that 99% of the world which happens to not be Jewish.
-Maccabees fought on shabbat [to save Jews lives, granted]. I think the first shabbat they got slaughtered, and then from then on out it was decided 7 days a week are needed to "arise earlier than those who would slay you in order to slay them".
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Am I wrong? Am I not following in the Holy ways of our G-d? Life must be precious because G-d cares for it, and G-d creates it... am I wrong to protect what He values?
Saving a life is a good way to be a "light unto the other nations"?
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These are all interesting points, but this is not how a halachic discussion is conducted, and this is not how halacha (Jewish law) is arrived at. The same Talmud that you cite contains the record of all halachic discussions (along with subsequent authorities and commentary on Talmud) as a continuation of the centralized authority of the Great Sanhedrin that came before it. The Talmud was sealed in order to unify the halacha, and it is within this vast text that we find the methodology to arriving at the halacha, and we find the codified halacha.
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: wonga66 on January 17, 2010, 05:15:09 AM ---The Negroidals, Chinese, Japanese and Koreans are all descendants of Ham.
There is a tradition that most Hamites will perish before the Messianic Era:
"In the whole world, declares the L-rd, two-thirds will be struck down and perish, and one-third will be left alive" (Zecharya 13:8 ) .
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I don't know where you get this from, both the quote or the explanation that you seem to invent, but even if it was true, so what if there is such a tradition? That's irrelevant to any of this discussion. The only question is what does the halacha say.
I will ask my rabbi in shiur tomorrow about this bli neder - since I am far from expert on this issue although it did come up recently coincidentally - and I will also perhaps pose the question to Rabbi Bar Hayim if you would prefer not doing so yourself.
I imagine that Zaka of course has its own explanation! Have we bothered to consult that as at least a starting point? I wish I had more time today to get into this discussion/research more.
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