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To risk life, limb & shabbos.....for a Haitian Hamitic ingrate?!
The One and Only Mo:
cough* kill the arabs* cough
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: Ariel Shayn on January 18, 2010, 05:18:22 AM ---
I do my best to attend a 3-hr weekly Torah study,
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That is very praiseworthy, may you go from strength to strength and stick with this very monumental activity.
--- Quote ---but I know so little about Talmud, other than somewhat well known quotes [like above].
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No problem there; no one can be blamed for not knowing yet, and it is a very good quality to be humble and acknowledge that. The key point is to try to learn which you are doing. So I commend you.
--- Quote ---Seems like it would be easier to start reading a set of Encyclopedias than to START being a Talmud scholar. Even Einstein didn't have it figured out [he said he wish he studied more Talmud in his later days]!
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The study of Talmud is indeed a unique activity with its own methodology (dialectics arguments, deriving halachot etc), nuances, language, and technical terms which can be quite foreign to the untrained novice. To learn the particular methods required to even understand Talmud and its unique learning-style can require a formal training. And once a person obtains such training, it is no simple matter to then become expert in the various discussions and to coherently arrive at halacha (Jewish law) from within the texts on complicated matters. Indeed a true expert in Talmud is a very rare and precious contributor within the Jewish world.
--- Quote ----Can you endorse a reputable place online a guy who has the desire to learn more Talmud can go [what is the real starting point, books like "Talmud for Dummies" have not helped me]? I do my best to process a daily list of things from Chabad, but no real Talmud study, unless the books I study are actually part of the Talmud [that would sort of be a nice surprise]. My view just does not seem wide enough to "get it" with Talmud. I, ashamedly, had NO interest in my own religiosity, heritage, or community until about two years ago.
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It's really great that you are interested. I myself was also raised ignorant and with an imitation/phony so-called 'reform Judaism' which I realized later in life was clearly unsuitable and inauthentic. My best recommendation would be to find a rabbi at the local yeshiva or orthodox synagogue nearby (if there is one near you) and speak to him about your situation that you are a novice and you would love to learn Talmud (and to learn how to learn Talmud), and if he will help you or if there is anyone available who is looking to tutor or teach a Jew who is less learned/experienced. Often there will be someone who is looking to teach people or at least looking to do some outreach.
Other than that it may be that learning in a 'baal teshuvah' yeshiva for a few months or a year if possible would be the best way to catch on to Torah-learning quickly, since there they focus on teaching people who did not grow up with it. There are also some very good shorter-term programs for beginners (not actual yeshiva, but gives you a taste of yeshiva, the learning there and the schedule, etc, especially Talmud learning) that I would HIGHLY recommend if you have time to take off from work/school temporarily to devote to Torah study.
Here are some links:
http://www.machonshlomosummer.com/index.asp
STEP program which runs about 3-4 weeks, in Yerushalayim.
http://www.yeshivalite.com/
Also about 3-4 weeks also in Yerushalayim ir hakodesh.
I know there are more programs out there as well for instance or sameach in monsey, or sameach in Yerushalayim, Aish Ha Torah in yerushalayim, etc.
It depends where you live, what your situation is. Are you currently a student? College? Working?
And I would recommend "Daf Yomi" but that may be tough if you have never learned Talmud before. On the other hand it is in English and explained so it might help you become accustomed to the style of the Talmud if you learn that with the text in front of you. There are websites that provide this material, both audio files and the text for that day.
Hope this helps.
Harzel:
--- Quote from: Ulli on January 17, 2010, 02:31:52 AM ---
--- Quote from: mord on January 16, 2010, 06:13:00 PM ---If someone is in need of help i will help except most muslims
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I think I would do the same. I couldn't help a Muslim, a Nazi or even their supporters, but with other people I think I would have mercy, althrough perhaps I don't like them.
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I must say I would rescue a drowning muslim. Only if I knew for certain that the specific person drowning is so evil he deserves to die, would I not rescue him.
IsraeliGovtAreKapos:
בס"ד
--- Quote from: Zelhar on January 18, 2010, 01:26:30 PM ---
--- Quote from: Ulli on January 17, 2010, 02:31:52 AM ---
--- Quote from: mord on January 16, 2010, 06:13:00 PM ---If someone is in need of help i will help except most muslims
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I think I would do the same. I couldn't help a Muslim, a Nazi or even their supporters, but with other people I think I would have mercy, althrough perhaps I don't like them.
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I must say I would rescue a drowning muslim.
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Are you totally nuts
Harzel:
--- Quote from: Ron Of Zion on January 18, 2010, 01:28:01 PM --- בס"ד
--- Quote from: Zelhar on January 18, 2010, 01:26:30 PM ---
--- Quote from: Ulli on January 17, 2010, 02:31:52 AM ---
--- Quote from: mord on January 16, 2010, 06:13:00 PM ---If someone is in need of help i will help except most muslims
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I think I would do the same. I couldn't help a Muslim, a Nazi or even their supporters, but with other people I think I would have mercy, althrough perhaps I don't like them.
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I must say I would rescue a drowning muslim.
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Are you totally nuts
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Why do you omit the second sentence with my reasoning ?
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