Why can I not delete my account?

[Ben m]

where did sommebody here attacked GERMANY? i only saw attacks on german politician and german neo nazies.israel and germany are natural allies.and besides,if hydes wants to live there it is his right to do so.if I will want to emigrate to somwehre else (and i don't want to) it is my right to do so and even god himself don't have the right to forbid me from doing so.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

where did sommebody here attacked GERMANY? i only saw attacks on german politician and german neo nazies.israel and germany are natural allies.and besides,if hydes wants to live there it is his right to do so.if I will want to emigrate to somwehre else (and i don't want to) it is my right to do so and even G-d himself don't have the right to forbid me from doing so.

Sure He does (G-d certainly has the right to forbid anything because it is his world which He created and you are not the owner), and G-d did forbid you from doing so in the Torah.   It is a big avera to emigrate from the Land of Israel.  It is in violation of a negative commandment from the Torah.

[Spiraling Leopard]

I reason that if ron wants to tirade Hyades a 'galut-kike', he should be tirading Lisa, Muman and all other non-Israeli Jews on this forum, except for Chaim, a 'galut-kike'. This makes sense right?

You love reasoning...

Yes, I like reasoning.

Lisa, Muman and all other non-Israeli Jews never left their Judaism like that.

But yóú did. You went muslim. Turning muslim has disqualified you for all eternity to criticize any other human.

They didn't ignore what Judaism commands them to do and still they plan to make Aliyah some when in the future. Even when the USA was bashed, cursed and humiliated in this forum (and they were occasions!) they didn't leave the movement. Why is that? because JTF fights for justice and most importantly fights for justice for Israel - what they conisder above all, unlike Hyades who was insulted by the non-European way to express hatred towards the country that committed the most murderous atrocity against the Jewish people.

He gave up on the Land of Israel but the others haven't. That makes big difference that I know you will never be able to understand - so just... don't try to.

Hyades left JTF; that does not imply/necessarily mean he left Judaïsm. And although it may appear to be so, JTF does not possess a patent on 'justice for Israel'.

It is not certain at all that Hyades will never move to Israel, just like it is not at all certain that every other non-Israeli Jew on this forum wíll move to Israel.
Besides all this, Hyades is not near as old as Lisa and Muman. He has plenty of time untill he reaches their age.
Please, let's stay critical. I only want fairness. I want to see you tirade just as much against Lisa and Muman as you did against Hyades.

And what you claim to know means just as much as islam to me: ...nothing.

[Ben m]

where did sommebody here attacked GERMANY? i only saw attacks on german politician and german neo nazies.israel and germany are natural allies.and besides,if hydes wants to live there it is his right to do so.if I will want to emigrate to somwehre else (and i don't want to) it is my right to do so and even G-d himself don't have the right to forbid me from doing so.

Sure He does (G-d certainly has the right to forbid anything because it is his world which He created and you are not the owner), and G-d did forbid you from doing so in the Torah.   It is a big avera to emigrate from the Land of Israel.  It is in violation of a negative commandment from the Torah.

and? i hope that we both agree that if he want to stay in germany it is his right to do so.

[IsraeliGovtAreKapos]

Yes, I like reasoning.

Now you went childish. Again. When will you learn Spiraling Kitty?

Hyades left JTF; that does not imply/necessarily mean he left Judaïsm. And although it may appear to be so, JTF does not possess a patent on 'justice for Israel'.

is that how Dutch people think?

I said he left Judaism by deciding to stay in Germany. By that, he gave up on his Jewish destiny and mission in the world. Until he chooses otherwise, he left his Judaism by choice but can still be rebuked and even come back.

It is not certain at all that Hyades will never move to Israel,

I don't know about you, but I tend to believe him. It's very logical for a wealthy Jew in Germany who doesn't want to be poor (by moving to Socialist Israel) to stay in Germany (but still wrong, of course).

Besides all this, Hyades is not near as old as Lisa and Muman. He has plenty of time untill he reaches their age.

What does that have to do with anything? Hyades is mature enough to decide for himself.

Please, let's stay critical. I only want fairness. I want to see you tirade just as much against Lisa and Muman as you did against Hyades.

Give me reason to "tirade" against Lisa and Muman. That's the problem with you Robert - your "reasoning" gets you into conclusions far from reality that you believe in fanatically.

I have nothing to "tirade' Lisa and Muman against, from what I see. If you desire, you may target my "tirading" on what Hyades tell us he is.

And what you claim to know means just as much as islam to me: ...nothing.

 

You want a candy?

[IsraeliGovtAreKapos]

where did sommebody here attacked GERMANY? i only saw attacks on german politician and german neo nazies.israel and germany are natural allies.and besides,if hydes wants to live there it is his right to do so.if I will want to emigrate to somwehre else (and i don't want to) it is my right to do so and even G-d himself don't have the right to forbid me from doing so.

Sure He does (G-d certainly has the right to forbid anything because it is his world which He created and you are not the owner), and G-d did forbid you from doing so in the Torah.   It is a big avera to emigrate from the Land of Israel.  It is in violation of a negative commandment from the Torah.

and? i hope that we both agree that if he want to stay in germany it is his right to do so.

Who gave him this right?

[Zelhar]

Haydes seems like a good person but it is a fact he doesn't understand at all what it means to be a Jew.
I really don't want to insult Haydes or anyone, especially a convert or son of converts. But I think Haydes has just helped me understand why chazal said
קשים גרים לישראל כספחת.

[Ben m]

where did sommebody here attacked GERMANY? i only saw attacks on german politician and german neo nazies.israel and germany are natural allies.and besides,if hydes wants to live there it is his right to do so.if I will want to emigrate to somwehre else (and i don't want to) it is my right to do so and even G-d himself don't have the right to forbid me from doing so.

Sure He does (G-d certainly has the right to forbid anything because it is his world which He created and you are not the owner), and G-d did forbid you from doing so in the Torah.   It is a big avera to emigrate from the Land of Israel.  It is in violation of a negative commandment from the Torah.

and? i hope that we both agree that if he want to stay in germany it is his right to do so.

Who gave him this right?

nobody should give him this right.it is obious he should have the right to emigrate to any country he choose.

[IsraeliGovtAreKapos]

where did sommebody here attacked GERMANY? i only saw attacks on german politician and german neo nazies.israel and germany are natural allies.and besides,if hydes wants to live there it is his right to do so.if I will want to emigrate to somwehre else (and i don't want to) it is my right to do so and even G-d himself don't have the right to forbid me from doing so.

Sure He does (G-d certainly has the right to forbid anything because it is his world which He created and you are not the owner), and G-d did forbid you from doing so in the Torah.   It is a big avera to emigrate from the Land of Israel.  It is in violation of a negative commandment from the Torah.

and? i hope that we both agree that if he want to stay in germany it is his right to do so.

Who gave him this right?

nobody should give him this right.it is obious he should have the right to emigrate to any country he choose.

Obvious only to you. He didn't create this world therefore it's not axiomatic that he would have right to do whatever his wants.

Your reason and logic are fraud.

[Ben m]

where did sommebody here attacked GERMANY? i only saw attacks on german politician and german neo nazies.israel and germany are natural allies.and besides,if hydes wants to live there it is his right to do so.if I will want to emigrate to somwehre else (and i don't want to) it is my right to do so and even G-d himself don't have the right to forbid me from doing so.

Sure He does (G-d certainly has the right to forbid anything because it is his world which He created and you are not the owner), and G-d did forbid you from doing so in the Torah.   It is a big avera to emigrate from the Land of Israel.  It is in violation of a negative commandment from the Torah.

and? i hope that we both agree that if he want to stay in germany it is his right to do so.

Who gave him this right?

nobody should give him this right.it is obious he should have the right to emigrate to any country he choose.

Obvious only to you. He didn't create this world therefore it's not axiomatic that he would have right to do whatever his wants.

Your reason and logic are fraud.

so if you will be the prime minister you will forbid the population to leave israel?

[IsraeliGovtAreKapos]

where did sommebody here attacked GERMANY? i only saw attacks on german politician and german neo nazies.israel and germany are natural allies.and besides,if hydes wants to live there it is his right to do so.if I will want to emigrate to somwehre else (and i don't want to) it is my right to do so and even G-d himself don't have the right to forbid me from doing so.

Sure He does (G-d certainly has the right to forbid anything because it is his world which He created and you are not the owner), and G-d did forbid you from doing so in the Torah.   It is a big avera to emigrate from the Land of Israel.  It is in violation of a negative commandment from the Torah.

and? i hope that we both agree that if he want to stay in germany it is his right to do so.

Who gave him this right?

nobody should give him this right.it is obious he should have the right to emigrate to any country he choose.

Obvious only to you. He didn't create this world therefore it's not axiomatic that he would have right to do whatever his wants.

Your reason and logic are fraud.

so if you will be the prime minister you will forbid the population to leave israel?

I'll answer you the moment you will answer me.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

where did sommebody here attacked GERMANY? i only saw attacks on german politician and german neo nazies.israel and germany are natural allies.and besides,if hydes wants to live there it is his right to do so.if I will want to emigrate to somwehre else (and i don't want to) it is my right to do so and even G-d himself don't have the right to forbid me from doing so.

Sure He does (G-d certainly has the right to forbid anything because it is his world which He created and you are not the owner), and G-d did forbid you from doing so in the Torah.   It is a big avera to emigrate from the Land of Israel.  It is in violation of a negative commandment from the Torah.

and? i hope that we both agree that if he want to stay in germany it is his right to do so.

That's something different.

But if a person chooses to leave Eretz Yisrael, it is a violation of negative commandment and GOD has a "right" to punish them for their sins.

Choosing to stay in Germany is actually failing to fulfill a positive commandment, which also has its consequences.  I hope he will not choose that.  Many Jews mistakenly choose to stay in the exile or embrace the exile, and this is a horrible sin.   B'ezrat Hashem I will make my own way home to Israel too.

[Ben m]

where did sommebody here attacked GERMANY? i only saw attacks on german politician and german neo nazies.israel and germany are natural allies.and besides,if hydes wants to live there it is his right to do so.if I will want to emigrate to somwehre else (and i don't want to) it is my right to do so and even G-d himself don't have the right to forbid me from doing so.

Sure He does (G-d certainly has the right to forbid anything because it is his world which He created and you are not the owner), and G-d did forbid you from doing so in the Torah.   It is a big avera to emigrate from the Land of Israel.  It is in violation of a negative commandment from the Torah.

and? i hope that we both agree that if he want to stay in germany it is his right to do so.

Who gave him this right?

nobody should give him this right.it is obious he should have the right to emigrate to any country he choose.

Obvious only to you. He didn't create this world therefore it's not axiomatic that he would have right to do whatever his wants.

Your reason and logic are fraud.

so if you will be the prime minister you will forbid the population to leave israel?

I'll answer you the moment you will answer me.

this question was my answer.

[Ben m]

where did sommebody here attacked GERMANY? i only saw attacks on german politician and german neo nazies.israel and germany are natural allies.and besides,if hydes wants to live there it is his right to do so.if I will want to emigrate to somwehre else (and i don't want to) it is my right to do so and even G-d himself don't have the right to forbid me from doing so.

Sure He does (G-d certainly has the right to forbid anything because it is his world which He created and you are not the owner), and G-d did forbid you from doing so in the Torah.   It is a big avera to emigrate from the Land of Israel.  It is in violation of a negative commandment from the Torah.

and? i hope that we both agree that if he want to stay in germany it is his right to do so.

That's something different.

But if a person chooses to leave Eretz Yisrael, it is a violation of negative commandment and G-d has a "right" to punish them for their sins.

Choosing to stay in Germany is actually failing to fulfill a positive commandment, which also has its consequences.  I hope he will not choose that.  Many Jews mistakenly choose to stay in the exile or embrace the exile, and this is a horrible sin.   B'ezrat Hashem I will make my own way home to Israel too.

and? many great leaders (saul,david,yoshiahu,the hasmoneans,herzl) had commited much more serious crimes and they didn't got a severe punishment.i am not seen any reason why to live only in eretz israel (aside from patriotism,this is MY ideal but as i said to you in the other thread,ideals exists only in theory).

[Chai]

Hyades even me who lives in America knows I belong in Israel

If you realize one thing realize this; If you ever been to Israel it wont hit you that that Israel  is your country until you come back to Munich airport and you realize , whoh man , where did all the Jews go??!!!.


Think about it, there is a reason why there is a Jewish center in Germany its because they aren't your people even if you like them and they like you.

And one last thing Hyades its not your fault you feel Germany is your country ,... The worst thing G-d ever did was put us in the exile.... you never left Israel we got kicked out , yes now we got it back but you have been assimilated for over 2000 years what does G-d expect?

Its not your fault and I certainly don't condemn you for living in Germany  its hard to get up and and go to a new land and a new culture ( currently learning Hebrew for when I make aliah and its a real b**** I will never speak it as good as English) that's why we keep the commandments so our culture wont be foreign when we go back unfortunately we need a Kahanist government to make that happen.. that's something you would be PROUD to call Your land

Remember when we criticize Germany we aren't criticizing you. We aren't bad people, Please don't condemn us like that..
Don't leave by just insulting us when we never insulted you or the Jews!.....You are a Jew/Israelite!..

..Right?

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

and? i hope that we both agree that if he want to stay in germany it is his right to do so.

That's something different.

But if a person chooses to leave Eretz Yisrael, it is a violation of negative commandment and G-d has a "right" to punish them for their sins.

Choosing to stay in Germany is actually failing to fulfill a positive commandment, which also has its consequences.  I hope he will not choose that.  Many Jews mistakenly choose to stay in the exile or embrace the exile, and this is a horrible sin.   B'ezrat Hashem I will make my own way home to Israel too.

and? many great leaders (saul,david,yoshiahu,the hasmoneans,herzl) had commited much more serious crimes

Where do you get this nonsense from?   Oh that's right, heretical "Bible class" in Israeli secular school system where they teach that the figures of Tanach were evil.        They have it completely backwards.  And as a result, so do you.

   iand they didn't got a severe punishment.i am not seen any reason why to live only in eretz israel (aside from patriotism,this is MY ideal but as i said to you in the other thread,ideals exists only in theory).

I already gave you a reason, the only real reason, but you reject it because you are self-hating.  The Torah says that a Jew should live in Israel.

Why would you reject the land that G-d gave to our forefathers and to us?   You know better than G-d?       Time to get real.   

Get one thing straight.  All sins are punished and all good deeds are rewarded.  Whether in this world or the next.   There are consequences to your (and everyone's) actions.   Period.   So your philosophy of ideal as only self-invented and only "theory" is a lie and distortion.

[Ben m]

and? i hope that we both agree that if he want to stay in germany it is his right to do so.

That's something different.

But if a person chooses to leave Eretz Yisrael, it is a violation of negative commandment and G-d has a "right" to punish them for their sins.

Choosing to stay in Germany is actually failing to fulfill a positive commandment, which also has its consequences.  I hope he will not choose that.  Many Jews mistakenly choose to stay in the exile or embrace the exile, and this is a horrible sin.   B'ezrat Hashem I will make my own way home to Israel too.

and? many great leaders (saul,david,yoshiahu,the hasmoneans,herzl) had commited much more serious crimes

Where do you get this nonsense from?   Oh that's right, heretical "Bible class" in Israeli secular school system where they teach that the figures of Tanach were evil.        They have it completely backwards.  And as a result, so do you.

   iand they didn't got a severe punishment.i am not seen any reason why to live only in eretz israel (aside from patriotism,this is MY ideal but as i said to you in the other thread,ideals exists only in theory).

I already gave you a reason, the only real reason, but you reject it because you are self-hating.  The Torah says that a Jew should live in Israel.

Why would you reject the land that G-d gave to our forefathers and to us?   You know better than G-d?       Time to get real.   

it is realy said if your only proof is god.

[muman613]

and? i hope that we both agree that if he want to stay in germany it is his right to do so.

That's something different.

But if a person chooses to leave Eretz Yisrael, it is a violation of negative commandment and G-d has a "right" to punish them for their sins.

Choosing to stay in Germany is actually failing to fulfill a positive commandment, which also has its consequences.  I hope he will not choose that.  Many Jews mistakenly choose to stay in the exile or embrace the exile, and this is a horrible sin.   B'ezrat Hashem I will make my own way home to Israel too.

and? many great leaders (saul,david,yoshiahu,the hasmoneans,herzl) had commited much more serious crimes

Where do you get this nonsense from?   Oh that's right, heretical "Bible class" in Israeli secular school system where they teach that the figures of Tanach were evil.        They have it completely backwards.  And as a result, so do you.

   iand they didn't got a severe punishment.i am not seen any reason why to live only in eretz israel (aside from patriotism,this is MY ideal but as i said to you in the other thread,ideals exists only in theory).

I already gave you a reason, the only real reason, but you reject it because you are self-hating.  The Torah says that a Jew should live in Israel.

Why would you reject the land that G-d gave to our forefathers and to us?   You know better than G-d?       Time to get real.   

it is realy said if your only proof is G-d.

Ill take G-ds word over yours any day...

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

it is realy said if your only proof is G-d.

You just brought Tanach as a supposed proof to you (even though Tanach proves against you).

G-d is not the only proof but it is surely the ultimate one.   That you reject it is your own mistake.

You think you can just make up any ideas you like and that these serve as "proofs."   Even the famous atheist philosopher Kant did not agree with that and described that the source of any authentic system of ethics can only be from G-d.  (in his case, a notion of "G-d" since he himself did not believe).   Of course you are nowhere near the level of Kant and shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence, so I doubt whether you can comprehend his point.   I leave you with the simple proofs because they are most straightforward and ultimately the only way about it.   Yes, we have been commanded at Mount Sinai , we are obligated in what the Torah says, and outside of that there is no such thing as Jewish and our "identity" would be meaningless.    

When we do what the Torah says, we are Jewish.  When we don't do what the Torah says, we defeat the entire purpose of creation and we surely cannot call ourselves Jewish any more than a black hebro can.  In that case it would be a situation of everyone making up their own nonsense ideas and living by them.   So the hebro is equally correct as you.   Equally INcorrect.

[IsraeliGovtAreKapos]

it is realy said if your only proof is G-d.

You just brought Tanach as a supposed proof to you (even though Tanach proves against you).

G-d is not the only proof but it is surely the ultimate one.   That you reject it is your own mistake.

You think you can just make up any ideas you like and that these serve as "proofs."   Even the famous atheist philosopher Kant did not agree with that and described that the source of any authentic system of ethics can only be from G-d.  (in his case, a notion of "G-d" since he himself did not believe).   Of course you are nowhere near the level of Kant and shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence, so I doubt whether you can comprehend his point.   I leave you with the simple proofs because they are most straightforward and ultimately the only way about it.   Yes, we have been commanded at Mount Sinai , we are obligated in what the Torah says, and outside of that there is no such thing as Jewish and our "identity" would be meaningless.    

Ben believes Judaism is subjective and therefore using it as an argument is invalid.

[Ben m]

and? i hope that we both agree that if he want to stay in germany it is his right to do so.

That's something different.

But if a person chooses to leave Eretz Yisrael, it is a violation of negative commandment and G-d has a "right" to punish them for their sins.

Choosing to stay in Germany is actually failing to fulfill a positive commandment, which also has its consequences.  I hope he will not choose that.  Many Jews mistakenly choose to stay in the exile or embrace the exile, and this is a horrible sin.   B'ezrat Hashem I will make my own way home to Israel too.

and? many great leaders (saul,david,yoshiahu,the hasmoneans,herzl) had commited much more serious crimes

Where do you get this nonsense from?   Oh that's right, heretical "Bible class" in Israeli secular school system where they teach that the figures of Tanach were evil.        They have it completely backwards.  And as a result, so do you.

   iand they didn't got a severe punishment.i am not seen any reason why to live only in eretz israel (aside from patriotism,this is MY ideal but as i said to you in the other thread,ideals exists only in theory).

I already gave you a reason, the only real reason, but you reject it because you are self-hating.  The Torah says that a Jew should live in Israel.

Why would you reject the land that G-d gave to our forefathers and to us?   You know better than G-d?       Time to get real.   

it is realy said if your only proof is G-d.

Ill take G-ds word over yours any day...

when you wwill not need to use god in your proofs we will tlak.try to bring some scientifical and logical proofs.and no'i don't want to leave israel.and i am going to stay here to the end and i have my own reason for that.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

it is realy said if your only proof is G-d.

You just brought Tanach as a supposed proof to you (even though Tanach proves against you).

G-d is not the only proof but it is surely the ultimate one.   That you reject it is your own mistake.

You think you can just make up any ideas you like and that these serve as "proofs."   Even the famous atheist philosopher Kant did not agree with that and described that the source of any authentic system of ethics can only be from G-d.  (in his case, a notion of "G-d" since he himself did not believe).   Of course you are nowhere near the level of Kant and shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence, so I doubt whether you can comprehend his point.   I leave you with the simple proofs because they are most straightforward and ultimately the only way about it.   Yes, we have been commanded at Mount Sinai , we are obligated in what the Torah says, and outside of that there is no such thing as Jewish and our "identity" would be meaningless.    

Ben believes Judaism is subjective and therefore using it as an argument is invalid.

Then why did he bring an example from Tanach to try to prove his own point?

I don't think ben even knows what he believes.    What he "believes" is simply what he wants and is comfortable thinking, whether it's true or not.

[IsraeliGovtAreKapos]

it is realy said if your only proof is G-d.

You just brought Tanach as a supposed proof to you (even though Tanach proves against you).

G-d is not the only proof but it is surely the ultimate one.   That you reject it is your own mistake.

You think you can just make up any ideas you like and that these serve as "proofs."   Even the famous atheist philosopher Kant did not agree with that and described that the source of any authentic system of ethics can only be from G-d.  (in his case, a notion of "G-d" since he himself did not believe).   Of course you are nowhere near the level of Kant and shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence, so I doubt whether you can comprehend his point.   I leave you with the simple proofs because they are most straightforward and ultimately the only way about it.   Yes, we have been commanded at Mount Sinai , we are obligated in what the Torah says, and outside of that there is no such thing as Jewish and our "identity" would be meaningless.    

Ben believes Judaism is subjective and therefore using it as an argument is invalid.

Then why did he bring an example from Tanach to try to prove his own point?

I don't think ben even knows what he believes.    What he "believes" is simply what he wants and is comfortable thinking, whether it's true or not.

Didn't you realize he's a convinced post-Modernist?

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

it is realy said if your only proof is G-d.

You just brought Tanach as a supposed proof to you (even though Tanach proves against you).

G-d is not the only proof but it is surely the ultimate one.   That you reject it is your own mistake.

You think you can just make up any ideas you like and that these serve as "proofs."   Even the famous atheist philosopher Kant did not agree with that and described that the source of any authentic system of ethics can only be from G-d.  (in his case, a notion of "G-d" since he himself did not believe).   Of course you are nowhere near the level of Kant and shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence, so I doubt whether you can comprehend his point.   I leave you with the simple proofs because they are most straightforward and ultimately the only way about it.   Yes, we have been commanded at Mount Sinai , we are obligated in what the Torah says, and outside of that there is no such thing as Jewish and our "identity" would be meaningless.    

Ben believes Judaism is subjective and therefore using it as an argument is invalid.

Then why did he bring an example from Tanach to try to prove his own point?

I don't think ben even knows what he believes.    What he "believes" is simply what he wants and is comfortable thinking, whether it's true or not.

Didn't you realize he's a convinced post-Modernist?

With all due respect, he's not smart enough or mature enough to even understand the term.  I don't see him articulating anything even internally consistent.  He is simply shooting off at the mouth.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

when you wwill not need to use G-d in your proofs we will tlak.try to bring some scientifical and logical proofs.and no'i don't want to leave israel.and i am going to stay here to the end and i have my own reason for that.

Patriotism is not scientific.

Nor is it logical.


Your serve, clown.