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Israel's Chief Scientist dismissed
http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3964117,00.html

The leftist Israeli scientific atheist mafia have their way again
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Of cause he was right. Global Warming and Evolution are semi-religions and like we see they have already an inquisition. In my country the Green party has made proposals to throw "heretics" into jail.
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LOL.  He doesn't really have place as a "chief scientist" if he is skeptical of scientific findings and will deny evidence uncovered by science.   A chief scientist is supposed to be someone who believes that the scientific method can uncover true facts and observations about the universe.  Perhaps he's better suited as a philosophy professor or creative writer.

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There are no two more dubious theories than evolution and global warming!

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im willing to listen to stuff that dismisses global warming since the temperature declined in 08

evolution on the other hand, im willing to listen to different versions of it, but (in a scientific discussion) i wont take young-earth creationism seriously (we have seen macro evolution).

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There are no two more dubious theories than evolution and global warming!

Global warming may be dubious because the evidence is flimsy.

The evidence for evolution is NOT flimsy and cannot be denied.

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There are no two more dubious theories than evolution and global warming!

Global warming may be dubious because the evidence is flimsy.

The evidence for evolution is NOT flimsy and cannot be denied.

fact- a new species of moth was made because of pollution and the need for a new color

fact- KWR-BT is absolutely right

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Can a tornedo hitting a garbage dumpster create a Boeing 747 airplane?

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"The theory of evolution, especially the extent to which it’s been applied, will be one of the great jokes in the history books in the future. Posterity will marvel that so very flimsy and dubious an hypothesis could be accepted with the incredible credulity that it has."

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One does not have to buy the evolution hoax in order to be a scientist. Science doesnt require believing 100% in any one particular theory. I believe that Science is supposed to say that things can be empirically and experimentally reproduced. So it should not matter what a person thinks or believes. Science must be reproducable in order for a theory to be believable. I have never seen any experiment which proves evolution. There are so many scientific questions about it that I believe that we should not attempt to force people to believe it.

It is wrong for the scientific community to exclude people who have valid questions about these theories. In my lifetime I have witnessed science making up stuff as it went along... Every 10-15 years a new theory comes along which everyone "HAS TO" believe in, only to be proven a few years later that the theory was absolute garbage...

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Re: Israel's Chief scientist dismissed for doubting evolution & gloabl warming
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2010, 05:11:46 PM »
"The theory of evolution, especially the extent to which it’s been applied, will be one of the great jokes in the history books in the future. Posterity will marvel that so very flimsy and dubious an hypothesis could be accepted with the incredible credulity that it has."

This is a quote for a science fiction novel, but it does not reflect a scientific challenge to the facts uncovered by the many facets of evolution theory.

When someone disputes scientific findings on religious grounds, there is no reason for a scientist or scientifically minded person to take them seriously.   Any of these rabbi-philosophers are free to publish their scientific evidence they have uncovered which contradicts evolution theory.  Yet none of them do.   Oh, that's right, because none of them have uncovered evidence of anything, they are simply fighting against what they perceive to be an impure view from their own theological position.   That does not constitute scientific evidence or critique.   It's somebody giving their opinion.

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Re: Israel's Chief scientist dismissed for doubting evolution & gloabl warming
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2010, 05:19:27 PM »
It's refreshing to see a Jew saying the things that he said, since so many Jews have sold out to the theology of Amalek.  Scientists are not allowed to question evolution now and it's the same story more and more so with global warming, which the anti-G-d, anti-human atheist establishment is currently working feverishly to get an academic monopoly on.

Oh please.  There is no monopoly except that engineered by facts.   Anyone who conducts an experiment that disproves any tenet of evolution or calls it into doubt is free to publish such work.   The problem is, those experiments don't exist because they've never happened, and no one is able to produce work that calls evolution into question.   

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Re: Israel's Chief scientist dismissed for doubting evolution & gloabl warming
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2010, 05:27:47 PM »
Re:  "fact- a new species of moth was made because of pollution and the need for a new color "

Incorrect.

This is NOT the teaching of Charles Darwin's Theory of Evolution and Natural Selection.

A species of moth in Great Britain naturally exhibited a wide variation in coloration - from very dark to very light, the variation in color allowing the species to occupy a broad ecological niche so that more reproduced each year than fell prey to birds and bats.

By passing on to its offspring both light and dark color genes, the species survived, for it was not easy to be seen and eaten by its predators.

Then the coal industry appeared and the ecological niche which the moth species inhabited changed and became clouded and covered with soot.

The moths from that species with naturally dark coloration were naturally camouflaged against soot covered trees and buildings, were less prone to be spotted by predators, and therefore survived to pass on their genes carrying dark coloration.

Their lighter colored relatives were quickly spotted by birds when resting against dark colored sooty surfaces, and were therefore first to be eaten, thereby removing almost all of the light coloration from the moth gene pool.

Therefore a classic case of Natural Selection took place, whereby a species evolved into an exclusively dark form.

And this example is exactly what Darwinian Evolution teaches.

It does not teach that somehow monkeys somehow just "changed" into human beings or that reptiles somehow just "changed" into flying birds, as is usually believed by people ignorant of what Darwin actually wrote based on his scientific observations.

What Darwin wrote, is that the Primates shared a similar genetic structure, which over a long period of time was changed because genetic variations making up the gene pool became extinct because of natural conditions like storms or climate, or because their genetic line was poorly prepared to outrun predators, or possibly because of lack of intelligence necessary to provide itself food and shelter.  This process continued over eons until the gene pools remaining are what we see today.  Very simple science....not even close to being the "Satanic Teachings" so many ignoramuses denounce every day.

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Re: Israel's Chief scientist dismissed for doubting evolution & global warming
« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2010, 05:58:38 PM »
When President Reagan said that he doubted that Evolution was correct, there were calls for him to be impeached and to have his sanity checked!

The greatest disproof for Evolution is the fossil record!

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Re: Israel's Chief scientist dismissed for doubting evolution & gloabl warming
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2010, 06:18:22 PM »

A species of moth in Great Britain naturally exhibited a wide variation in coloration - from very dark to very light, the variation in color allowing the species to occupy a broad ecological niche so that more reproduced each year than fell prey to birds and bats.

By passing on to its offspring both light and dark color genes, the species survived, for it was not easy to be seen and eaten by its predators.

Then the coal industry appeared and the ecological niche which the moth species inhabited changed and became clouded and covered with soot.

The moths from that species with naturally dark coloration were naturally camouflaged against soot covered trees and buildings, were less prone to be spotted by predators, and therefore survived to pass on their genes carrying dark coloration.

Their lighter colored relatives were quickly spotted by birds when resting against dark colored sooty surfaces, and were therefore first to be eaten, thereby removing almost all of the light coloration from the moth gene pool.

Therefore a classic case of Natural Selection took place, whereby a species evolved into an exclusively dark form.

And this example is exactly what Darwinian Evolution teaches.


Indeed it is.


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It does not teach that somehow monkeys somehow just "changed" into human beings

"Monkeys" didn't change into humans.  A common ancestor to humans and monkeys became humans and also became monkeys, separately.   But why would a discussion of moths explain how this happened?  They are different cases.   There is no reason to believe these separate cases operate under different principles, however!

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What Darwin wrote, is that the Primates shared a similar genetic structure, which over a long period of time was changed because genetic variations making up the gene pool became extinct because of natural conditions like storms or climate, or because their genetic line was poorly prepared to outrun predators, or possibly because of lack of intelligence necessary to provide itself food and shelter.  This process continued over eons until the gene pools remaining are what we see today.  Very simple science....not even close to being the "Satanic Teachings" so many ignoramuses denounce every day.


Indeed the notion of natural selection is rather simple, and it's surprising that some people have such a strong opposition to something so logically compelling.

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Re: Israel's Chief scientist dismissed for doubting evolution & gloabl warming
« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2010, 06:20:10 PM »
It's refreshing to see a Jew saying the things that he said, since so many Jews have sold out to the theology of Amalek.  Scientists are not allowed to question evolution now and it's the same story more and more so with global warming, which the anti-G-d, anti-human atheist establishment is currently working feverishly to get an academic monopoly on.

Oh please.  There is no monopoly except that engineered by facts.   Anyone who conducts an experiment that disproves any tenet of evolution or calls it into doubt is free to publish such work.   The problem is, those experiments don't exist because they've never happened, and no one is able to produce work that calls evolution into question.   

There is a monopoly already with evolution, and global warming being caused by man is not a monopoly yet but is quickly becoming a monopoly.  They are still building the "tenets" on the global warming hoax around the anti-human aspect of the atheist religion just like they built "tenets" of evolution around the anti-G-d aspect of the atheist religion and anyone who dares interpreting the evidence a different way is anathema (or whatever atheists call it).  It would be like submitting a paper proving the Quran is wrong to a bunch of mullahs expecting to get a fair evaluation, no matter how true it is.  

This is absurd.   You are basically saying that since no one has published articles disproving evolution with experiments that directly address the claims and principles of evolution, that therefore there is a monopoly.   That's simply not the case.   The reason there are no such publications is because no one has been able to produce experiments which come even close to disproving evolution or its principles.

The entire field of medicine with all its advances operates on the premises of evolution.   If evolution were "not true" none of the medicine being developed would ever work.

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Re: Israel's Chief scientist dismissed for doubting evolution & global warming
« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2010, 06:21:08 PM »
When President Reagan said that he doubted that Evolution was correct, there were calls for him to be impeached and to have his sanity checked!

The greatest disproof for Evolution is the fossil record!

The fossil record is one of the strongest proofs for evolution.

Now are you going to tell me dinosaurs never existed?   That dinosaurs existed is proven by the fossil record.   What do you have to say?   I doubt you will directly address anything I just said.

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Re: Israel's Chief scientist dismissed for doubting evolution & global warming
« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2010, 06:30:12 PM »
Numerous fossilised dinosaur tracks running next to and on top of human tracks, like the famous Paluxy River prints in Texas, together with the worldwide traditions of "giant dragons" (eg. St.George and the Dragon, the Dragon of China, the Beowulf Epic etc), "monstrous sea serpents", and "gargantuan flying reptiles" on land, sea and air, tears the evolutionary timetable to shreds, and indicates that some dinosaurs lived contemporaneously with men within historical times, although most dinosaurs perished in the Flood.
   
Iyov himself may have seen some these huge Flood survivors: "Behold now Beheimoh which I created with you...he eats grass like an ox...he moves his tail like a cedar...his bones are like bars of iron...he can drink up a river...he can draw up the Yarden into his mouth. The Leviyoson...his teeth are awesome...the scales of his flesh cannot be sundered...flames shoot from his mouth...he laughs at the arrow and spear...iron is like straw and brass like rotten wood before him....he makes the sea to boil...." (Iyov 40 and 41).                                  

The Talmud's description of the Nochosh in Gan Eden ie. a tall, bipedal, upright walking, reptilian type creature is remarkably dinosaurian. Had it not been cursed, it and its descendants would have been valuable assistants to mankind: "Woe for the loss of that great servant!" (Sanhedrin 59). Rav Elie Munk ztz"l posited that the Bnei Anak were actually dinosaurian in nature cf.the webbed hands and numerous rows of teeth ascribed to these zamzummim (Chullin 60 and Midrash Avkir).  Chazal relate of the tremendous skeletal size and part-angelic yichus of the Antediluvians. Rabbi Yochanan ben Zakkai humbled the Emperor Hadrian by showing him the 18 amos long corpses of the original Amorite inhabitants of Jerusalem. Even Moses, who himself was 10 amos tall (Brochos 54) was hard put in despatching the brothers Sichon and Og, who were the last and the least of the antediluvian giants!
"We were as grasshoppers in their sight!" (Bamidbar 13).

The phenomena of giant creatures, such as the 45 foot tall Barosaur, the 50 foot wingspan Pterosaur, the 100 foot long Diplodocus and the 100 ton Chronosaurus, let alone the the Tannin, Leviyoson, Re'em, Rochov, Beheimoh, Shor Habor, Ziz, Sorof M'ofef and Adnei Sadeh of the Tenach and Talmud, is explained by the very far reaching physiological effects of the higher speed of light that prevailed in the past eg. lower fluid viscosity, faster nerve impulses, higher lift-to-drag ratios, more efficient breathing, diffusion, growth, fecundity, blood flow and ion transfer. The fossil record shows that flora and fauna were much larger than today. There once existed mosses 3 feet tall, wheat with kernels the size of fists,  dragonflies 4 feet long,  12" cockroaches, shellfish 5 feet across, 10 foot turtles, 50 foot crocodiles and 70 foot sharks!
 
In Messianic times, the wondrous original size of many of Hashem's creatures will be restored (Sifra, Bechukosai). Help!                                        
 

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Re: Israel's Chief scientist dismissed for doubting evolution & global warming
« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2010, 07:59:42 PM »
Re:  "In Messianic times, the wondrous original size of many of Hashem's creatures will be restored (Sifra, Bechukosai). Help! "

Can't wait!

I'm gonna' open up a "Reptile World" road attraction next to the Third Temple that'll put the one in Panama City Beach to shame!

Hey!

If "evolution" is a "fact", then how'd the African pygmies get so small?  Huh?

And what happened to chickens' lips?     

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« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2010, 08:02:48 PM »
Re:  "...President Reagan said that he doubted that Evolution was correct... "

He was right!

Reagan proved evolution was a hoax, because his co-star Bonzo the Chimp was a far better actor!      ;D

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Re: Israel's Chief scientist dismissed for doubting evolution & global warming
« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2010, 08:08:01 PM »
Chicken lips were eaten by the negroes, until chickens evolved not to have lips.  ;D

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« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2010, 08:20:28 PM »
Re:  "Chicken lips were eaten by the negroes, until chickens evolved not to have lips. "

At last! ... Someone who understands science!

But wait! ... did the nigrum then stop eating chickens?      :o

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Re: Israel's Chief scientist dismissed for doubting evolution & gloabl warming
« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2010, 09:39:02 PM »
Can a tornedo hitting a garbage dumpster create a Boeing 747 airplane?

no, but the only thing about evolution that IS random is the mutations. only the successful mutations survive which is how evolution progresses.

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Re: Israel's Chief scientist dismissed for doubting evolution & gloabl warming
« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2010, 10:16:50 PM »
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fact- a new species of moth was made because of pollution and the need for a new color

fact- KWR-BT is absolutely right
You have provided an example of adaptation, not evolution.  Two different things, no?

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« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2010, 11:42:56 PM »
Numerous fossilised dinosaur tracks running next to and on top of human tracks, like the famous Paluxy River prints in Texas, together with the worldwide traditions of "giant dragons" (eg. St.George and the Dragon, the Dragon of China, the Beowulf Epic etc), "monstrous sea serpents", and "gargantuan flying reptiles" on land, sea and air, tears the evolutionary timetable to shreds, and indicates that some dinosaurs lived contemporaneously with men within historical times, although most dinosaurs perished in the Flood.   

Did you get this from a novel?

If not, you should write your own novels because you are very creative.  You might make a really good parnassa off of creative writing like this.