Israel's Chief Scientist dismissed for doubting evolution & global warming

[MassuhDGoodName]

Re:  "Negroes, who have huge milos  (foreskins). "

Jimmy Carter can't be circumcised because there's no end to the schmuck!

[wonga66]

You really sound sick every time you talk about women or about sexual relations.

If Hashem devotes two whole sedras, Tazriya and Metzora, to sexual & skin diseases, it is obviously an important subject.

Would you dare to call Hashem "sick" ch"v?!

[MassuhDGoodName]

Re:  "The Rambam states that one of the reason for circumcision is to actually reduce the sexual pleasure that a Jewish man receives during intercourse. "

What a great salesman!     

You'd think that with a "pitch" like that, men would be fighting each other "tooth and nail" to be first in line for conversion to Judaism!

Will there ever be an end to this suffering by Jewish men?

First they get their wee-wee put in a pencil sharpener so they have reduced pleasure, then they get married to a Jewish bride who gives them about 2 weeks worth of "reduced pleasure" and before cutting off sex altogether!

(they might as well just "cut off" the whole thang and get it over with!)     

[Yaakov Mendel]

You really sound sick every time you talk about women or about sexual relations.

If Hashem devotes two whole sedras, Tazriya and Metzora, to sexual & skin diseases, it is obviously an important subject.

Would you dare to call Hashem "sick" ch"v?!

You are bringing up a different question. You know exactly what I was referring to, there's no need for me to explain.

[Yaakov Mendel]

You really sound sick every time you talk about women or about sexual relations.

If Hashem devotes two whole sedras, Tazriya and Metzora, to sexual & skin diseases, it is obviously an important subject.

Would you dare to call Hashem "sick" ch"v?!

You are bringing up a different question. You know exactly what I was referring to, there's no need for me to explain.

Oh and by the way I said "every time" because I remember you justifying sexual relations with young girls or saying Hassidic Jews go to Uman to have sex with Ukrainian prostitutes, just to mention recent threads.

[wonga66]

Actually I merely asked about what Halachic scenario could occur under which marriage between Torah-observant Jews might in the future be restored to the Halachically mandated minimum age of 12.

And I gave a link to Haaretz & JP articles about how the "Breslov Modesty Patrol" does sterling work in keeping our boys in Uman on the straight & narrow!

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

And aprt from the scientific case, there is also the Torah case. Nowhere in the Tenach is any diurnal or annual motion attributed to the Earth. The Tenach refers only to the Earth's staticity.

They key word here is REFERS.

That means the Torah is not teaching science.   It is something you are interpreting from it in a mistaken literalism - something that's not actually there.   

Thus the reason that many rabbis have ACCEPTED the Copernicus model, especially in recent times.   And these rabbis I refer to, you would never dare say a harsh word about them.

Joshua commanded the Sun & Moon to stop moving, not the Earth its rotation! Hashem writes what He means, and means what He writes!

Suddenly Hashem wrote the book of Joshua!    Wow, that's amazing!

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

On today's Debka Report there's an ad featuring a likeness of "Dr. Ruth" Westheimer with a quote from her which reads:

"The Talmud states that it is the duty of every man to sexually satisfy his wife!"

Well, Dr. Ruth, I'm here to state for the record, that the only way Jewish wives can be sexually satisfied by their Jewish husbands is for their husbands never to have sex with them again!

Speak for yourself, junior.

[Yaakov Mendel]

Actually I merely asked about what Halachic scenario could occur under which marriage between Torah-observant Jews might in the future be restored to the Halachically mandated minimum age of 12.

And I gave a link to Haaretz & JP articles about how the "Breslov Modesty Patrol" does sterling work in keeping our boys in Uman on the straight & narrow!

No, you said more than that. Listen, I'm not trying to scrutinize you. I read your posts, I appreciate some of the topics you bring up and, unlike some other members of this forum, I don't see you as a "troll". But be honest.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Joshua commanded the Sun & Moon to stop moving, not the Earth its rotation! Hashem writes what He means, and means what He writes!

Btw, Rambam says specifically that was not a miracle and speaks about the longest day of the year etc...

Surprised?

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Evolutionists  the 20th century was over long ago!

The "opponents," or evolution deniers, would be wise to acknowledge that the 19th century is over, so are the 1930's 40's 50's 60's etc, and the field has advanced in leaps and bounds since the ideas were originally proposed.   The mountains of evidence amassed since then make it impossible to deny, and it also makes fishing out quotes from Darwin himself completely dishonest.

[wonga66]

Under Einstein's Relativity, which is the prevalent theory which presumably you agree with, you are OBLIGED to accept the geocentric theory as being an EQUALLY valid model, as much as I am the heliocentric theory.

What part of Einstein's quote don't you understand?!:

"The struggle, so violent in the early days of science, between the views of Ptolemy and Copernicus would then be quite meaningless. Either CS could be used with equal justification. The two sentences, 'the sun is at rest and the earth moves,' or 'the sun moves and the earth is at rest,' would simply mean two different conventions concerning two different CS." (Einstein and Infeld, The Evolution of Physics, p.212 1938).

If you have disproved Relativity, and shown that there is a favored non-moving location or aether in the universe, in an absolute sense, then you will get a Nobel Prize.

If you disagree with Relativity, as do some scientists, then how do you explain the Michelson-Morley result?

[MassuhDGoodName]

Re:  "Tazriya and Metzora, to sexual & skin diseases "

Question regarding "Identifying leprosy":

Torah clearly describes the basis for a Priest "diagnosing" a skin disease referred to as "leprosy", sets forth the "treatment" of same, and also clearly describes the 'symptoms', diagnoses, and treatments of "leprosy" found affecting stone buildings.

Because today "leprosy" has been scientifically studied and been determined to be a disease of the nervous system caused by a microbacillus which is spread through contact with human secretions such as saliva and mucous droplets expelled through sneazing and coughing, should we as modern Jews consider the that "leprosy" of Torah is an altogether different disease than the one called leprosy today?

[Yaakov Mendel]

On today's Debka Report there's an ad featuring a likeness of "Dr. Ruth" Westheimer with a quote from her which reads:

"The Talmud states that it is the duty of every man to sexually satisfy his wife!"

Well, Dr. Ruth, I'm here to state for the record, that the only way Jewish wives can be sexually satisfied by their Jewish husbands is for their husbands never to have sex with them again!

This is the kind of joke that the people from StørmFrønt would enjoy.

[IsraeliGovtAreKapos]

On today's Debka Report there's an ad featuring a likeness of "Dr. Ruth" Westheimer with a quote from her which reads:

"The Talmud states that it is the duty of every man to sexually satisfy his wife!"

Well, Dr. Ruth, I'm here to state for the record, that the only way Jewish wives can be sexually satisfied by their Jewish husbands is for their husbands never to have sex with them again!

This is the kind of joke that the people from StørmFrønt would enjoy.

 

[Rubystars]

I think you really misunderstood it wonga. I think if you pick any point in the universe, then everything is moving relative to that point. That doesn't change the fact that the earth moves or that it orbits the sun.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

I think you really misunderstood it wonga. I think if you pick any point in the universe, then everything is moving relative to that point. That doesn't change the fact that the earth moves or that it orbits the sun.

Exaaaactly.

[Rubystars]

This is the kind of joke that the people from StørmFrønt would enjoy.

Don't we have enough of that kind of innuendo around here?

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

This is the kind of joke that the people from StørmFrønt would enjoy.

Don't we have enough of that kind of innuendo around here?

Do you imply that the original joke in question was acceptable?   

Also, I think yaakov meant that it's an antisemitic joke (or extremely self-hating), and that is why StørmFrønt would like it.   What innuendo do you refer to?

[Rubystars]

This is the kind of joke that the people from StørmFrønt would enjoy.

Don't we have enough of that kind of innuendo around here?

Do you imply that the original joke in question was acceptable?   

Also, I think yaakov meant that it's an antisemitic joke (or extremely self-hating), and that is why StørmFrønt would like it.   What innuendo do you refer to?

I just don't like it when JTFers are accused of being Nazis. It just seems extreme that's all, especially when directed toward a Jewish member.

[christians4jews]

evolution is a urban myth.

Both creation and evoltion are religions but a creator is a far more logical faith than non observable an retestable theory of evolution.

[Rubystars]

evolution is a urban myth.

Both creation and evoltion are religions but a creator is a far more logical faith than non observable an retestable theory of evolution.

I don't reject that God created the universe. I just think that evolution could have been a tool used to create different forms of life.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

evolution is a urban myth.

Both creation and evoltion are religions but a creator is a far more logical faith than non observable an retestable theory of evolution.

I don't reject that G-d created the universe. I just think that evolution could have been a tool used to create different forms of life.

I'm not sure why some religious people on JTF are so dead-set against that, even as a possibility.   They presume to know the ways of G-d I guess.   

[Rubystars]

I understand it, I just moved beyond that mindset after I got more knowledge. It can be an incredibly emotional thing to struggle with but in the end a person who values the scientific method has to follow the evidence where it leads, even if it leads somewhere you don't want it to.

You have the creationists telling them that they don't have to give up accepting science to keep the literal interpretation. Without having studied science, how would someone know better? Some of the creationists had extremely clumsy arguments, like Kent Hovind, yet he was still very popular. Others, like Hugh Ross, are more sophisticated. However they all capitalize upon the fact that the general public doesn't have a lot of scientific knowledge, and can be easily led by big words, especially if what they are saying reinforces a pre-conceived idea.

There's also the guilt trip that others might put on people. I mean to some, being an evolutionist might as well be equivalent to being an atheist, so announcing to others that you accept evolution can be met with a lot of anger/upset/misunderstanding from those in a person's family, place of worship, etc.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

There's also the guilt trip that others might put on people. I mean to some, being an evolutionist might as well be equivalent to being an atheist, so announcing to others that you accept evolution can be met with a lot of anger/upset/misunderstanding from those in a person's family, place of worship, etc.

I certainly get the brunt of this type of insanity, but I pick my battles and in the end don't care what people say!   I've ruffled more than a few feathers though (and sure I will do so again).

I've come to realize that in the same way that my views of science (and those of my rabbi and others whose approaches I adhere to and agree with) get shunned and met with disbelief, knee-jerk opposition, and accusation, so too do my political beliefs and my Kahanist attitudes with regards to the middle east situation as this view is also extremely uncommon among frum American Jews I've met.   Don't know if it's just the areas where I've been, the types of Jews I've met or simple coincidence or what...