Enough with the Catholic Bashing

[IsraeliGovtAreKapos]

Huh?

You are going to Kiddush yet you have no faith in the Torah? What kind of liberal hypocrite Jew are you?

You realize that JTF goes down for Shabbat because Jews are not allowed to use electricity on Shabbat, right? Do you drive on Shabbat? I would hope that you respect the Shabbat as a good Jew does...


This is not a game... History has a tendency to repeat itself. Remember that Essau hates Jacob and try to understand the pattern of History.

The Jewish peoples savior does not come from Zoroastoria, Hindu, or Christian hands.... It will come when Moshiach comes and leads the world in the revelation of Hashems hand in the world...

Oh,great.I am a secular so i must be a liberal.So let me tell you,i ahe homos,i ahte afro americans and sub saharans,i hate muslims and i believe democracy is wrong.Does that looking to you like liberalism? And yes,i am going to kiddush not for me but for my parrot,and i mean it seriously,it his one of his best chances to have superb food and to get outside the house for a couple of hours.I do not drive in shabbat but not our of respect but out of the fact i does not have a driving license.

You bring a parrot to kiddush?   Now that's interesting!

It's Ben Mizrahi. He loves parrots and hates Jews.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Huh?

You are going to Kiddush yet you have no faith in the Torah? What kind of liberal hypocrite Jew are you?

You realize that JTF goes down for Shabbat because Jews are not allowed to use electricity on Shabbat, right? Do you drive on Shabbat? I would hope that you respect the Shabbat as a good Jew does...


This is not a game... History has a tendency to repeat itself. Remember that Essau hates Jacob and try to understand the pattern of History.

The Jewish peoples savior does not come from Zoroastoria, Hindu, or Christian hands.... It will come when Moshiach comes and leads the world in the revelation of Hashems hand in the world...

Oh,great.I am a secular so i must be a liberal.So let me tell you,i ahe homos,i ahte afro americans and sub saharans,i hate muslims and i believe democracy is wrong.Does that looking to you like liberalism? And yes,i am going to kiddush not for me but for my parrot,and i mean it seriously,it his one of his best chances to have superb food and to get outside the house for a couple of hours.I do not drive in shabbat but not our of respect but out of the fact i does not have a driving license.

You bring a parrot to kiddush?   Now that's interesting!

It's Ben Mizrahi. He loves parrots and hates Jews.

wtf   

why did he come back here?

[Rubystars]

Ben Mizrahi, we don't want Nazis on this forum. Please leave and go back to Steven's forum or whorefront where you fit in.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Who do you consider to be 'Our' greatest allies amongst those you listed?

You said you are not religious, which is sad to see.... But the Jewish belief is that we need nobody else besides our faith in G-d. Our Torah tells us to never rely on other nations because most of the time they will disappoint us.

The only way the Jewish people will survive is with absolute faith in Hashem alone, not in the strength of the nations.

Our greatest allies are the zoroastrians,indu and anti muslim christians.The torah is very nice but it is unrealistic to pursue an isloationist policy in modern times.Wem need allies against muslim scum and we need every possible man.

Torah doesn't have an "isolationist policy" unless someone ignorant misinterprets it.

[~Hanna~]

who is a Nazi? I am getting confused here.

Ben Mizrahi, we don't want Nazis on this forum. Please leave and go back to Steven's forum or whorefront where you fit in.

[~Hanna~]

fyi: the Jews did not kill Christ, He laid His life down willingly.

http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Why_Do_People_Hate_The_Jews.htm

http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/Mel_Gibson_Did_The_Jews_Kill_Jesus/


http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/blood_libel/

Crash Course in Jewish History Part 46: Blood Libel        

Nothing can rationally explain the extreme Christian accusations leveled against the Jews at this time: Jews killed babies and drank their blood!

We are about to begin discussing an excruciating period of Jewish history that is marked by constant and unrelenting Christian persecution.

During this period we will see:

    * the Jews expelled from England (1290)
    *   the Jews expelled from France (1306 and 1394)
    *   the Jews expelled from Hungary (1349 and 1360)
    *   the Jews expelled from German states (1348 and 1498)
    *   the Jews expelled from Austria (1421)
    *   the Jews expelled from Lithuania (1445 and 1495)
    *   the Jews expelled from Spain (1492)
    *   the Jews expelled from Portugal (1497)

And that’s only a partial list.

(As often as not, the Jews were expelled and then, when a significant economic decline was noted in their absence, they were re-admitted only to be expelled again. It was the classic “can’t live with them, can’t live without them” philosophy.)

The story of these persecutions really begins around the year 1000—the first millennium. It seems that people get nervous about big dates, especially Christians whose Book of Revelations predicts that at the end of a thousand years Satan will be released from prison and then he’s going to wreak havoc on the world.

The approaching millennium led to a religious revival in the Christian world which historians call the “New Piety.” The New Piety focused especially on the historicity of Jesus. Focusing on the life of Jesus meant focusing on his death. And, even though the Christian “New Testament” says that the Romans killed Jesus, the Jews were blamed for wanting him to die.

And so at this time, we see the notion of Jews as “Christ-killers”—which first surfaced in the 4th century—really growing in popularity.

But that alone does not explain the vehemence of Christian persecutions. To fully understand the issue, we have to look at other, more complex reasons.

[Rubystars]

who is a Nazi? I am getting confused here.

Ben Mizrahi, we don't want Nazis on this forum. Please leave and go back to Steven's forum or whorefront where you fit in.

Ben Mizrahi (the guy who used to be Ben M or normal atheist on this board, came back under another name. He used to advocate eugenics and he posted on StørmFrønt calling himself a Nazi Jew.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Ben, crawl back to Fag Buchanus' groin.

[Boyana]

Chaim has made his position on this very clear:

http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/topic,12723.msg135999.html#msg135999

It's sad that people on here either don't listen to Chaim or don't show enough respect to honor his wishes.

"To post threads that insult Catholics makes no sense. This is playing into the hands of our enemies."

Would you be kind and remove all my posts.
For the following reasons:I do not need this.
I do respect Chaim,but I do not wish to be here any longer .

[cjd]

Chaim has made his position on this very clear:

http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/topic,12723.msg135999.html#msg135999

It's sad that people on here either don't listen to Chaim or don't show enough respect to honor his wishes.

"To post threads that insult Catholics makes no sense. This is playing into the hands of our enemies."

Would you be kind and remove all my posts.
For the following reasons:I do not need this.
I do respect Chaim,but I do not wish to be here any longer .

So what's the problem? People come and go all the time.... You seem to want to make a point here... Spell it out for the impaired like myself... It seems like you can't survive here unless people are [censored] and moaning about the Pope and Vatican 24/7.. I did not realize that the Vatican played such a large roll in world politics... Last time I checked the title of the forum was Jewish Task Force not Vatican Task Force.

[voo-yo]

Chaim has made his position on this very clear:

http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/topic,12723.msg135999.html#msg135999

It's sad that people on here either don't listen to Chaim or don't show enough respect to honor his wishes.

"To post threads that insult Catholics makes no sense. This is playing into the hands of our enemies."

Would you be kind and remove all my posts.
For the following reasons:I do not need this.
I do respect Chaim,but I do not wish to be here any longer .

So what's the problem? People come and go all the time.... You seem to want to make a point here... Spell it out for the impaired like myself... It seems like you can't survive here unless people are [censored] and moaning about the Pope and Vatican 24/7.. I did not realize that the Vatican played such a large roll in world politics... Last time I checked the title of the forum was Jewish Task Force not Vatican Task Force.

And what is your problem? Does it offend you when people criticize Vatican and the Pope? Do you identify with him, is he a person of authority for you?

[JTFenthusiast2]

Ruby,

You started thsi thread and you bash plenty of people.  You're just selective in who you go after, Muman being your all time favorite.  I dont buy it--even a little bit.

[cjd]

Chaim has made his position on this very clear:

http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/topic,12723.msg135999.html#msg135999

It's sad that people on here either don't listen to Chaim or don't show enough respect to honor his wishes.

"To post threads that insult Catholics makes no sense. This is playing into the hands of our enemies."

Would you be kind and remove all my posts.
For the following reasons:I do not need this.
I do respect Chaim,but I do not wish to be here any longer .

So what's the problem? People come and go all the time.... You seem to want to make a point here... Spell it out for the impaired like myself... It seems like you can't survive here unless people are [censored] and moaning about the Pope and Vatican 24/7.. I did not realize that the Vatican played such a large roll in world politics... Last time I checked the title of the forum was Jewish Task Force not Vatican Task Force.

And what is your problem? Does it offend you when people criticize Vatican and the Pope? Do you identify with him, is he a person of authority for you?

My problem?? My problem is I have too much respect for our forum to tell some people around here what I really think of them... At least you had the decency to write  to me in English... The Pope is OK as far as Popes go he hasn't called for any genocide since he has been appointed so I guess he is doing a lot better then some of his critics .. G-d bless you my friend ...You have a nice day if you can.

[voo-yo]

Chaim has made his position on this very clear:

http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/topic,12723.msg135999.html#msg135999

It's sad that people on here either don't listen to Chaim or don't show enough respect to honor his wishes.

"To post threads that insult Catholics makes no sense. This is playing into the hands of our enemies."

Would you be kind and remove all my posts.
For the following reasons:I do not need this.
I do respect Chaim,but I do not wish to be here any longer .

So what's the problem? People come and go all the time.... You seem to want to make a point here... Spell it out for the impaired like myself... It seems like you can't survive here unless people are [censored] and moaning about the Pope and Vatican 24/7.. I did not realize that the Vatican played such a large roll in world politics... Last time I checked the title of the forum was Jewish Task Force not Vatican Task Force.

And what is your problem? Does it offend you when people criticize Vatican and the Pope? Do you identify with him, is he a person of authority for you?

My problem?? My problem is I have too much respect for our forum to tell some people around here what I really think of them... At least you had the decency to write  to me in English... The Pope is OK as far as Popes go he hasn't called for any genocide since he has been appointed so I guess he is doing a lot better then some of his critics .. G-d bless you my friend ...You have a nice day if you can.

Your religious leader is going to make nazi war criminal Alojzije Stepinac into a saint. That tells me he's no different than Hitler's Pope (Pius XII). If he's still OK to you, we've got nothing else to talk about.

[JTFenthusiast2]

I'm with you Muman.  The Catholic church is no friend to the Jewish people

I think you misunderstood him.He wrote CATHOLICS are evil,not that the roman catholic church is evil.This mentallity would not help our cause.

Great Eclatus,

Show me where he wrote that.  I want to see it. 

[Dr. Dan]

Please all debate on this and personal attacks do it in pm or do it on another forum. I respect muman's point of view and he and chaim have expressed displeasure of the church's history and other current Christian leaders. However with these opinions there are appropriate ways to express it.  Chaim does it well. If you guys can't do it like him do it privately amongst yourselves instead of it publicly.

[Rubystars]

Ruby,

You started thsi thread and you bash plenty of people.  You're just selective in who you go after, Muman being your all time favorite.  I dont buy it--even a little bit.

JTFE I'm sorry that you feel that way.

[Zelhar]

Ruby,

You started thsi thread and you bash plenty of people.  You're just selective in who you go after, Muman being your all time favorite.  I dont buy it--even a little bit.

I can't remember Ruby ever bashed anyone except for trolls.

[muman613]

Listen, I do not want this topic to go on and on.... But it is true that I have been accused of calling individual Catholics as evil. My only point I wanted to make in this thread is, as I posted in my original message, was that the Church has a history which prevents me from being open to loving it.

Here is my 1st message...

Im sorry but I dont respect Catholicism. History shows the Jews that the Catholic church is our enemy. How many Jews were sent to their deaths by Catholic priests, how many Inquisitions, how many popes who lecture about Jews being devils and that the church replaced the Jewish people as the Chosen nation?

I do not forgive the church. I do not hold what the church did to the Jewish people against those who may have been born into this religion. But I cannot understand how someone can call themselves Catholic yet reject the basic tenets of the religion? This is like those non-Orthodox Jews who try to tell the world what Judaism is... Those Catholics who do not listen to the pope are not good Catholics.... Those who do not follow the pronouncements of the person deemed by the Catholic religion to be the mouthpiece of their messiah and gods..

I will condemn the church to everlasting suffering...

While it seems that the part where I wonder why Catholics who disavow the Pope don't listen to him when it appears that believing the Pope is a part of the faith can be misunderstood. I do not say that I hate them. I compare them to the non-Orthodox 'branches' of Judaism who claim to follow the Jewish faith while boldly disregarding the Torah.

I do not want this thread to continue. I have said what I wanted to say, and I appreciate those who understand what I am saying.

PS: If that part about Catholics who don't pay attention to the Popes pronouncements is wrong, and it is OK by Catholic faith to ignore the Pope, then I will alter my posting. I do not intend to make incorrect statements which are inciteful. I just don't understand what is acceptable according to other beliefs.

[Rubystars]

Ruby,

You started thsi thread and you bash plenty of people.  You're just selective in who you go after, Muman being your all time favorite.  I dont buy it--even a little bit.

I can't remember Ruby ever bashed anyone except for trolls.

I posted something wrong that caused hurt feelings but I'm trying to figure out what it was with some private messages. I think I did do something wrong but I'm not sure exactly what it was yet.

[Serbian Canadian]

This is one of the problems with a religious based organization that accepts and works with members of other religions.

[Rubystars]

This is one of the problems with a religious based organization that accepts and works with members of other religions.

Yes that's true. If you mix different types of people together that automatically creates some level of tension a lot of times. This is one reason why I feel that society-level multiculturalism doesn't work. This is especially true when it comes to such deeply held beliefs and emotional topics such as religion.

However it is necessary to come together to work as a team against evil in the world. We do have common enemies that we need to unite against, and I would hope that the different groups on this board could in addition to working together, also find a level of friendship and understanding for each other as well. We can respect the differences between us and yet try to find as much common ground as possible.

[muman613]

I agree with you RubyStars...

[Rubystars]

I agree with you RubyStars...

Thanks Muman. I know it's not always easy for any of us.

[nessuno]

Ruby,

You started thsi thread and you bash plenty of people.  You're just selective in who you go after, Muman being your all time favorite.  I dont buy it--even a little bit.

I can't remember Ruby ever bashed anyone except for trolls.

I posted something wrong that caused hurt feelings but I'm trying to figure out what it was with some private messages. I think I did do something wrong but I'm not sure exactly what it was yet.

I don't think you did do something wrong, Rubystars.

JTFenthusiast - Why was it wrong for Ruby to start this thread? 

Being told that you are worse then your worst enemy...it's not a nice feeling.
At least Ruby is a decent enough person to realize how hurtful that is.
That is why she put herself out there to defend the Catholic members.
Don't you think something is wrong when you can drive a staunch ally away?
You can't have a better friend, or ally, then MasterWolf. 
I think Chaim can vouch for MasterWolf on that front.

Muman, in my opinion, should not presume to question how I practice my faith.  What doctrines of the church I choose to follow.  I would never do that to him.  I would never make fun of his beliefs.  A word like Jeebus (which he uses often) is offensive to Christians.  I can tell you that.  Maybe other members are afraid to say that.  The last time, I just tried to ignore that he wrote it that way.  Maybe, just maybe, that is why people are on the offensive when it comes to him.

Now...I know that a truce was called within the last few posts of this thread.  I do realize that.  Still, I had to speak my peace.  Sorry.

Thank you, Ruby.  I appreciate that you stuck your neck out to defend the Catholic friends you have on the forum.  BullCat