Convert Ivanka Trump

[muman613]

Cut the BS. She didn't pass any sincere conversion. She paid the "Rabbis" to "convert" her. If she did convert, why isn't she keeping Mitzvot?

I have not read any story about this so I do not know the facts... But let us err on the side of good, and not evil. First we should try to obey the command to honor the convert. Second, we should give her the benefit of the doubt. We should not accept Lashon Hara.

That being said we should also consider if there is any reason to suspect the Rabbis. As I said... I do not know the facts at this time.

Could anyone provide the full story?

PS: Yes, it does seem odd that in that photo she was not dressed very modestly. But we do not know when or where that picture was taken.

Dude, she's still a model.

Yes, I see your point. But is it possible for a Jewish woman to be a model? It is possible to be dressed tzniut in modeling? I am not sure. Certainly tzniut is very important for an Orthodox woman.

I will give her some time before casting my judgment.

http://www.ou.org/index.php/shabbat_shalom/article/of_falling_trees_and_rising_hemlines/

[IsraeliGovtAreKapos]

It's a necessity to doubt any process of conversion or "conversion" that takes place nowadays, as the number of real, not corrupt Rabbis (the billionairess could easily bribe) is really small.  

[muman613]

Let me just bring this one part of an article from OU.org:

http://www.ou.org/index.php/shabbat_shalom/article/of_falling_trees_and_rising_hemlines/

A Time to Show, A Time to Hide: The Real Meaning of Tznius

These are the issues that lie at the heart of tznius. No matter what else you may have read about tznius, the bottom line is that—contrary to popular belief--tznius is not primarily a matter of hem length and necklines. Those are simply details, albeit important ones. But the real crux of tznius has to do with being able to sort out which aspects of ourselves and our lives should be made public and which should be confined to the private domain. When it comes to a spectacular home-cooked meal, this is not a particularly touchy issue. But when it comes to displaying feminine charms or flaunting piles of money or outstanding professional accomplishments, care has to be taken to protect the sort of modesty a Jew is enjoined to cultivate.

So why does it seem so hard for us in today’s world to restrain ourselves from showing off what we’ve got? We seem to have such a hard time with the concept of voluntarily concealing parts of our lives and ourselves, be it a flair for cooking, a nice figure or a burgeoning bank account. Is it because we are so inundated by advertising and crass commercialism that we now think of ourselves as just one more product that needs to be promoted? Have we lost some core sense of inner self-worth, which we feel we can only regain by capturing the admiration of others? After all, I am not any less wealthy if my neighbor doesn’t read my bank statements, or any less beautiful if my clothing covers most of me up.

Perhaps nowadays we seek out validation more aggressively in the public sphere because we live in an era where there is so little left of the private sphere. Once upon a time families ate all three meals together; men worked a stone’s throw away from the house, and girls stayed home with their mothers all day working in the house. People didn’t often go out, nor was there a constant flow of mass media coming in.

Nowadays, by contrast, everybody bolts a bowl of cold cereal listening to or reading the morning “news” (much of which is the not-so-“private” lives of entertainers, politicians and sports heroes), and runs out to spend his or her best hours at work or school. At night simchas or community obligations pull us back out again. We get so busy functioning outside the home that we may be losing the art of cultivating a rich private life. If our sense of self is concentrated largely in the public sphere, then of course we will be very invested in making sure that we project an attractive image to a wide circle of other people.

Now there is nothing wrong with cultivating a public image that inspires the respect of others. Shem tov mi shemen tov, a good name or reputation is important to maintain. But appearances, like paper money, need to be backed up by some real standard of value. In the same way that gold bars, once the backbone of our economy, used to be locked up in Fort Knox far away from public access, our most important assets are often those that others do not get to view. Perhaps this is how we should understand the verse “kol kvudah bat melech pnimah” (“the glory of the princess resides within”). The ayshet chayil (“woman of valor”), who is compared not merely to gold but to a value “beyond rubies,” produces her most important efforts in the home, in the private sphere where she is largely unobserved. Her strongest qualities as a wife, a mother and a Jew are pulled forth in this context; her worth is beyond rubies because no amount of money can buy the happy, stable, and spiritually rich home life it is her charge to create and maintain. So she doesn’t spend her life running around in the streets, and she is discreet about her attractiveness. After all, a family that owns rubies doesn’t leave them lying around for other people to steal or covet chas v’shalom!

[IsraeliGovtAreKapos]

Cut the BS. She didn't pass any sincere conversion. She paid the "Rabbis" to "convert" her. If she did convert, why isn't she keeping Mitzvot?

I have not read any story about this so I do not know the facts... But let us err on the side of good, and not evil. First we should try to obey the command to honor the convert. Second, we should give her the benefit of the doubt. We should not accept Lashon Hara.

That being said we should also consider if there is any reason to suspect the Rabbis. As I said... I do not know the facts at this time.

Could anyone provide the full story?

PS: Yes, it does seem odd that in that photo she was not dressed very modestly. But we do not know when or where that picture was taken.

Dude, she's still a model.

Yes, I see your point. But is it possible for a Jewish woman to be a model? It is possible to be dressed tzniut in modeling? I am not sure. Certainly tzniut is very important for an Orthodox woman.

I will give her some time before casting my judgment.

http://www.ou.org/index.php/shabbat_shalom/article/of_falling_trees_and_rising_hemlines/

No, it's an oxymoron. Modeling is forbidden for Jewish women AND men.

We should doubt those who come to convert or "convert", especially in this sick generation, not stick our head in the sand. That woman passed nothing. She made it seem as she did to satisfy her self-hating lover's parents or something.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

This is probably NOMB as a Gentile but I would ask why a religious man would pursue an unbeliever, even if she does eventually decide to convert. And yes, she is beautiful--but is that supposed to be the biggest thing in choosing a mate? Also, the Trump family is hardly known for its morality and virtue.

In Christianity pursuing an unbeliever with the hopes that they will convert is called "missionary dating", and it's frowned upon, and I imagine the same is true of Judaism.

I just don't know why he couldn't have found a nice Jewish girl, that was already Jewish.

[IsraeliGovtAreKapos]

This is probably NOMB as a Gentile but I would ask why a religious man would pursue an unbeliever, even if she does eventually decide to convert. And yes, she is beautiful--but is that supposed to be the biggest thing in choosing a mate? Also, the Trump family is hardly known for its morality and virtue.

In Christianity pursuing an unbeliever with the hopes that they will convert is called "missionary dating", and it's frowned upon, and I imagine the same is true of Judaism.

I just don't know why he couldn't have found a nice Jewish girl, that was already Jewish.

I thought they got engaged after she "converted"?

[TheViper]

This is probably NOMB as a Gentile but I would ask why a religious man would pursue an unbeliever, even if she does eventually decide to convert. And yes, she is beautiful--but is that supposed to be the biggest thing in choosing a mate? Also, the Trump family is hardly known for its morality and virtue.

In Christianity pursuing an unbeliever with the hopes that they will convert is called "missionary dating", and it's frowned upon, and I imagine the same is true of Judaism.

I just don't know why he couldn't have found a nice Jewish girl, that was already Jewish.

I thought they got engaged after she "converted"?

They got married a few months after she converted

[IsraeliGovtAreKapos]

This is probably NOMB as a Gentile but I would ask why a religious man would pursue an unbeliever, even if she does eventually decide to convert. And yes, she is beautiful--but is that supposed to be the biggest thing in choosing a mate? Also, the Trump family is hardly known for its morality and virtue.

In Christianity pursuing an unbeliever with the hopes that they will convert is called "missionary dating", and it's frowned upon, and I imagine the same is true of Judaism.

I just don't know why he couldn't have found a nice Jewish girl, that was already Jewish.

I thought they got engaged after she "converted"?

They got married a few months after she converted

if they got engaged/started dating/whatever before she completed her "conversion", that says it all about the "conversion" and her husband's loyalty to the Jewish people.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

I thought they got engaged after she "converted"?

I don't know anything about their courtship. I can't speak for him and I obviously can't speak for Jews but I just don't know why he wouldn't want to court a nice Jewish girl, who was already Jewish, before meeting a guy she liked.

[TheViper]

I think they got engaged a week or two after she converted

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Cut the BS. She didn't pass any sincere conversion. 

  Then why did it take years?   

She paid the "Rabbis" to "convert" her.

  You have evidence of this?   Obviously not, and this is very serious thing to say about someone!

If she did convert, why isn't she keeping Mitzvot? That kurva doesn't even care about modesty.

In some modern orthodox circles the modesty adherence is more lax than others, I don't think it justifies that kind of language.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

It's a necessity to doubt any process of conversion or "conversion" that takes place nowadays, as the number of real, not corrupt Rabbis (the billionairess could easily bribe) is really small.  

By this logic, doubt every brith milah, every kiddushin, every get, all kashruth, every ....

This is no way to live.   It destroys the foundations of Jewish life to not trust anyone.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Cut the BS. She didn't pass any sincere conversion. She paid the "Rabbis" to "convert" her. If she did convert, why isn't she keeping Mitzvot?

I have not read any story about this so I do not know the facts... But let us err on the side of good, and not evil. First we should try to obey the command to honor the convert. Second, we should give her the benefit of the doubt. We should not accept Lashon Hara.

That being said we should also consider if there is any reason to suspect the Rabbis. As I said... I do not know the facts at this time.

Could anyone provide the full story?

PS: Yes, it does seem odd that in that photo she was not dressed very modestly. But we do not know when or where that picture was taken.

Dude, she's still a model.

Yes, I see your point. But is it possible for a Jewish woman to be a model? It is possible to be dressed tzniut in modeling? I am not sure. Certainly tzniut is very important for an Orthodox woman.

I will give her some time before casting my judgment.

http://www.ou.org/index.php/shabbat_shalom/article/of_falling_trees_and_rising_hemlines/

No, it's an oxymoron. Modeling is forbidden for Jewish women AND men.

We should doubt those who come to convert or "convert", especially in this sick generation, not stick our head in the sand. That woman passed nothing. She made it seem as she did to satisfy her self-hating lover's parents or something.

So you decide this generation is different than all the other generations Hashem spoke about when he commanded us regarding converts?   This is not realistic thinking.

[Chai]

People obviously have not read the Bible were King Soloman married thousands of idolatrous women whom had no intention of ever living as Jews were  converted FOR marriage and or political reasons . Yea they wound up destroying his image and kingdom but it was legal.

Let us not judge converts by the Haradi standard, for that would be the ultimate sin of the of not making a convert feel bad, instead let us judge converts on if their conversation puts us in harms way. Ivanka is harmless, let her be.

We learn from King Solomon conversion can be done fore the purpose of marriage or even for political reasons. Some may not like it , but its legal. The power of converting a person is not with G-d , rather these powers was bestowed to the Jewish people to give to others even if the rabbi is corrupt.

[Rubystars]

How are clothing manufacturers supposed to sell their clothing without someone modeling the clothing?

[Zelhar]

How are clothing manufacturers supposed to sell their clothing without someone modeling the clothing?

It wouldn't be a problem to model modest clothes and without mixing of sexes. But if you look at a fashion catalog, Clearly that they are using sex and nudity to sell their merchandise.

[wonga66]

At least Ivanka Trump seems to have converted Orthodox, unlike actress-singer Rebecca Pidgeon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_Pidgeon



who married David Mamet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Mamet



which seems to have been a Reform conversion.

[wonga66]

A shame that good-looking lasses like Stephanie Zimbalist (daughter of Efram Zimbalist jr.)



and Jamie Lee-Curtis (daughter of Tony Curtis - formerly Bernard Schwartz!)



are lost to our ranks and genetic gene pool.


But the Halacha is the Halacha: a Jew/Jewess is someone born of a Jewish mother, or who converted according to the Halacha.

There is no other definition as to who is a Jew!

Though the Kabbalists say that for the sake of the father's neshomoh, some effort should be made to be megayer the gentile child of a mixed marriage.

[דוד בן זאב אריה]

I wish she would dress more modestly she is beautiful she doesn't need to show it off

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

A shame that good-looking lasses like

and Jamie Lee-Curtis
are lost to our ranks and genetic gene pool.

Um doesn't Jamie Lee-Curtis have Turner Syndrome or some variation of sex-chromosomal genetic disorder?

Stop fantasizing about women and do something useful.  Before you unwittingly add STD's or other disorders to our gene pool.

[Yaakov Mendel]

It's too bad Ivanka Trump won't donate a few millions to JTF. That would be nothing but pocket money for someone as wealthy as her, while it would make a tremendous difference to JTF. But I bet she'd rather invest her money in casinos and ski resorts. Or donate her money to some third-world corrupt retarded places...

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Stop fantasizing about women and do something useful.  Before you unwittingly add STD's or other disorders to our gene pool.

[wonga66]

Judging by his avatar, if anyone's fantasising about non-Semitic females, it's Fan!

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

It's too bad Ivanka Trump won't donate a few millions to JTF. That would be nothing but pocket money for someone as wealthy as her, while it would make a tremendous difference to JTF. But I bet she'd rather invest her money in casinos and ski resorts. Or donate her money to some third-world corrupt retarded places...

We should try to contact her.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Judging by his avatar, if anyone's fantasising about non-Semitic females, it's Fan!

 

True, but he is non-semitic himself...