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Rashi on Daniel 7:25: Moshiach in 2011?!
muman613:
--- Quote from: wonga66 on December 12, 2010, 03:15:09 PM ---As the Malbim (who himself predicted the Geulah would happen in 1928!) says, the golus has gone of for so long, and the populace become so inured to the concept of Moshiach, that there is no longer a prohibition for a talmid chochom to give a reasoned calculation based on Daniel's numbers 1290 and 1335 etc.
And if you actually bothered to listen to Katz, he talks far from "childish lies".
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Regardless.. I do not put much faith in predictions like this. While it is wonderful to look for signs that it is imminent, I also agree that the faith of many average Jews is destroyed when such predicted dates pass without the appearance of redemption.
wonga66:
What lends extra weight is the Zohar's explicit reference to the years '72' and '73'.
Plus all the goyim yearning for something big in 2012.
Plus Ahmadinejad/N.Korea likely to use an atom bomb/be atom bombed soon.
Our faith today is so weak, that no one's will be 'destroyed' if nothing happens: we'll just reinterpret and await the next round, as we've always done!
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: wonga66 on December 12, 2010, 03:15:09 PM ---As the Malbim (who himself calculated that the Geulah would happen in 1928!) says, the golus has gone of for so long, and the populace become so inured to the concept of Moshiach, that there is no longer a prohibition for a talmid chochom to give a reasoned calculation based on Daniel's numbers 1290 and 1335 etc.
And if you actually bothered to listen carefully to Katz, he talks far from "childish lies".
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The Malbim is rationalizing his own desire to make predictions.
I have a hard time accepting an argument that the populace is "inured to the concept of Moshiach" given the Shabtai Tzvi catastrophe. Is it possible Malbim was unaware of that history? Highly doubtful. So I'm more than puzzled by his statement. Nonetheless, I stand by what I said. Furthermore, you and Rabbi Katz are no Malbim.
Btw, where is your quote taken from? Please cite it.
wonga66:
In his 1971 book "Proof of the Accuracy of the Bible", Kahanist Rabbi Elihu Shatz gave his calculation on Daniel that the war of Gog & Magog would break out in 1973. One can imagine his excitement when the Yom Kippur war started on 6 October 1973. Rabbis at the time actually said that it was the start of Gog and Magog.
Rabbi Kahane, without any calculations, himself stated in the months before he was slain that Saddam's invasion of Kuwait was the beginning of Gog and Magog.
Ramabam in Iggeres l'Teiman gave his messianic year as 1210.
We don't say that rabbis of this calibre were "wrong" or "erred", jus' like we don't say that Beis Shammai was "wrong".
We say that either the generation wasn't worthy, or that Hashem had other plans.
IsraeliGovtAreKapos:
--- Quote from: wonga66 on December 12, 2010, 04:54:30 PM ---
Rabbi Kahane, without any calculations, himself stated in the months before he was slain that Saddam's invasion of Kuwait was the beginning of Gog and Magog.
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