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Could the Allies have bombed Auschwitz without massive casualties to prisoners far in excess of Nazis, made successful dents in their operation with escape of some Jewish prisoners without excessive risk to Allied bombers and high Allied casualties and destroyed the rail lines leading to it?  Remember that this is before precision laser-bombing which came at the end of the Vietnam War and there was redundancy of transport to the camps?  Would these operations have lead to a prolonging of the war due to diversion of personnel away from the western front, the encirclement of U.S. troops at Bastogne and the ensuing Battle Of The Bulge?  Consider the USAF raid on the Nazi held oil fields of PLOIESTI, Romania, in August, 1943, by Allied B-24 Liberators taking off from Libya, intending to put nine Nazi held Romanian oil refineries around Ploiești out of action; the mission was moderately successful in that it resulted in MINIMAL curtailment of overall oil output to the Nazi war machine.  In terms of loss of life, this mission was one of the costliest for the United States Army Air Forces (USAAF) in the European Theatre, accounting for the loss of 53 aircraft and 660 aircrewmen and was the worst loss ever suffered by the US Air Force on a single mission in either theater in WWII.  Undoubtedly, the Ploiesti Oil Fields would have been better defended than Auschwitz but neither would have been without risk.
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In 2005, George McGovern, head pilot of a B-24 Liberator had a change of heart and stated in an interview with Israeli Television and the David S. Wyman Institute for Holocaust Studies that he could have bombed the Auschwitz Concentration Camp since he was bombing German synthetic oil plants within 5 miles of the Auschwitz-Birkenau complex and his bombing accuracy was good enough to hit the rail lines leading to the camp and its crematoria and and gas chambers.  This was especially true after the Allies gained control of the Foggia Air Base in Central Italy in December, 1943 which put Auschwitz within striking distance of Allied planes for the first time. In June 1944, two Auschwitz escapees (Vrba and Wetzler) provided U.S. diplomats and Jewish leaders in Switzerland a detailed report about Auschwitz.  It included descriptions of the mass-murder facilities and diagrams locating the gas chambers and crematoria.  He states that he knows that this would have resulted in the deaths of several prisoners but these people were "doomed to death" and to slow up the Nazi death machine and to facilitate the escape of several prisoners would be worth it.  He regrets FDR's decision to ignore this as well as the decisions to incarcerate Japanese-Americans and to block the docking of the MS St. Louis in Miami with the death of 254 German Jewish refugees who were returned to soon-to-be occupied France, Belgium and The Netherlands.    
"Liberal-Democrat" George McGovern was a genuine decorated war hero, the head pilot of a B-24 Liberator crew that flew numerous bombing missions over Nazi-occupied Europe and the oldest member of his crew at 22 years old. Contrast this with the lackluster military career of his 1972 "Conservative-Republican" opponent, Richard Nixon, who saw NO actual combat.  The following article was taken verbatim from a George McGovern editorial in the 1/27/04 Washington Post.  
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The Holocaust and the Allies: Military Options by George McGovern
Editorial- Washington Post- 1/27/04- Former Representative, Senator and Democratic presidential nominee George McGovern

Certainly there were limits as to what the Allies could do given the German military dominance in the early years of the War. Much of the killing was done in 1941-43 when Allied military alternatives were limited. Allied military capabilities by 1944, however, had increasing to the point that some actions were possible. None were ever employed. What could be done other than winning the War as rapidly as possible is difficult to assess. The death camps could have been added to the air campaign. Many have argued that the American Air Corps should have bombed the gas chambers at Auschvitz and the other death camps and the railheads leading to the camps. Such attempts in 1943 would have resulted in enormous losses of air crews given the strength of the German air defenses. Such raids would have had to be conducted in daylight to target the gas chambers, relatively small targets. It has to be understood that aerial bombing in World War II was a far cry from modern precision laser-guided targetting. On even a well executed raid, only a small fraction of the bombs actually fell on the target. Thus any raid on, for example, the gas chambers at Birkenau would have meant large numbers of bombs falling throughout the work camps at Auschwitz killing large numbers of the slave laborers at the camp. Targetting the several Nazi death camps would not have been a small surgical operation. It would have required a major undertaking and given the distances and German defenses it would have been very costly. I do not know to what extent the military possessed the detailed knowledge of camp operations that would have allowed them to make those assessments. Perhaps it should have been done, but it would not have been an easy decision. I am not sure, however, to what extent the military actually assessed the possibility of such an operation. Bombing the rail heads was also not an easy matter. Given the forced labor available to the Germans, rail lines could have been rapidly reconstructed forcing repeated strikes and further exposing aircrews to German air defenses. Another factor to be considered was that in early 1944 the air campaign against Germany was sidelined so that the Americans and British could focus on the German Channel defenses. It was only after the D-Day landings and subsequent break out (June-July 1944) that the Allies were able to resume the strategic bombing campaign in force. By that time, the Red Army had entered Poland and Himmler ordered the SS to begin closing down and evacuating the death camps.


Intelligence Reports
The British learned through Ultra intercepts in 1941 that the Nazis were killing large numbers of Jews as part of the invasion of the Soviet Union. This information because of the importance of Ultra could not be released to the public. Credible reports from Poland reached American authorities in 1942. Many writers who are disturbed about the Allies failure to act point to the 1942 reports in particular and often assume that because of these reports that Allied authorfities were fully aware of what was happening. This is a misunderstanding of intelligence in warfare. First we do not fully understand just how this informatiin was dessiminated among policy makers. Second just because an event reported does not mean that policy makers can accept it as fact. The Nazis for example received creditable reports that the Allied cross-channel invasion would come at the Pas de Calais and not Normandy. In fact these reports were so creditable that the Wehrmact did not commit their Panzer Divisions when the Allies actually invaded at Normandy. We also know about the many creditable reports that Sadam Hussein had stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction. One of the otoblems with the reports coming out of Poland was that they were coming from Jewish or Polish sources all with vested interests in what was happening and with a desire to draw the Western Allies into actions in Poland.


Allied Military Capability
There were severe limitations as to what the Allies had the capacity to do given the German military dominance in the early years of the War. Much of the killing was done in 1941-43 when Allied military alternatives were limited. Allied military capabilities by 1944, however, had increasing to the point that some actions were possible. This was especially true when long-range P-51 Mustang escorts became available. No bombing campaigns, however, ever employed. What could be done other than winning the War as rapidly as possible is difficult to assess.


Bombing Alternatives
The death camps could have been added to the air campaign. Many have argued that the American Air Corps should have bombed the gas chambers at Auschwitz and the other death camps and the railheads leading to the camps.  Such attempts in 1943 would have resulted in enormous losses of air crews given the strength of the German air defenses. Such raids would have had to be conducted in day light to target the rail lines and gas chambers. The rail lines could have been hit, but this would not have been effective. Bombing the rail heads was also not an easy matter. Given the forced labor available to the Germans, rail lines could have been rapidly reconmstructed forcing repaeted strikes and further exposing aircrews to German air defenses. There was not just one line to the Auschwitz, but many alternate lines. In addition, rail lines hit by bombers could and were repaired in hours. The Germans were very adept at this. Hiting the gas chambers is much more difficult than commonly realized because they were such small targets. It has to be understood that aerial bombing in World War II was a far cry from modern precession targetting. On even a well executed raid, only a small fraction of the bombs actually fell on the target. Thus any raid on, for example, the gas chambers at Birkenau would have meant large numbers of bombs falling throughout the work camps at Auschwitz killing large numbers of the slave laborers at the camp. Targetting the several Nazi death camps, which were further East would have been even more problemstic. would not have been a small surgical operation. It would have required a major undertaking and given the distances and German defenses it would have been very costly.


Military Assessment
I do not know to what extent the military possessed the detailed knowledge of camp operaions that would have allowed them to make those assessments. It is much easier for us today to say that it should have been done, but it would not have been an easy operation as is often assumed. And as we have discussed, the Allied knowledge appreciation of the Holocaust was far from perfect. I am not sure, however, to what extent the military actually assessed the possibility of such an operation.


D-Day
Another factor to be considered was that in early 1944 the air campaign against Germany was sidelined so that the Americans and British could focus on the German Channel defenses. It was only after the D-Day landings and subsequent break out (June-July 1944) that the Allies were able to resume the strategic bombing campaign in force. By that time, the Red Army had entered Poland and the Himmler ordered the SS to begin closing down and evacuating the death camps.  On January 27, 1945, the Nazis abandoned Auschwitz in advance of the oncoming Russian troops

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Baloney. Most of the Shoah happened in the last two years of the war, when the Luftwaffe was almost useless and the "88" flak guns had become largely obsolete.

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Of course the Allies could have bombed the train lines to Auschwitz... What kind of dumb question is this?

It is obvious that the Allies were able to drop bombs on other targets deep within German territories...

http://www.aish.com/ho/i/48967096.html

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The Allied planes were actually bombing German oil factories in and around the Auschwitz complex. The idea of bombing the death camp had not yet been proposed to the Allied leadership, and details such as the location of the gas chambers and crematoria were not yet known to the Allied war command. But that was about to change.

On April 10, in the dead of night, Vrba and Wetzler emerged from the woodpile and began an 11-day, 80-mile trek to Slovakia. There they met with Jewish leaders and dictated a 30-page report that came to be known as the "Auschwitz Protocols." It included details of the mass-murder process, maps pinpointing the gas chambers and crematoria and warnings of the impending slaughter of Hungary's Jews.

"One million Hungarian [Jews] are going to die," Vrba told them. "Auschwitz is ready for them. But if you tell them now, they will rebel. They will never go to the ovens."

A copy of the report was given to Rudolf Kastner, a Budapest Jewish leader. Instead of publicizing the information, Kastner negotiated a deal that involved bribing the Germans to permit a train with 1,684 of his relatives, friends and Hungarian Jewish leaders to leave the country. Kastner's action became the centerpiece of a controversial trial in Israel after the war.
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McGovern: Auschwitz should have been target

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George McGovern, a former U.S. senator and the 1972 Democratic nominee for president, said he could have bombed the Auschwitz concentration camp when he was an Air Force pilot during World War II.

60 years after Auschwitz was liberated, McGovern met with interviewers from Israel Television and the David S. Wyman Institute for Holocaust Studies. He recalled his days as the pilot of a B-24 Liberator in the 455th Bomb Group, targeting German synthetic oil plants -- many of them within a few miles of the Auschwitz gas chambers.

According to McGovern, the Franklin Roosevelt administration made a “strategic mistake” when it chose not to order bombing raids on the camp’s gas chambers. “There is no question we should have attempted” to “go after Auschwitz. There was a pretty good chance we could have blasted those rail lines off the face of the earth, which would have interrupted the flow of people to those death chambers, and we had a pretty good chance of knocking out those gas ovens,” he said.

After the Allies gained control of the Foggia Air Base in Italy in December 1943, Auschwitz was within striking distance of Allied planes for the first time.

In June 1944, two Auschwitz escapees provided U.S. diplomats and Jewish leaders in Switzerland a detailed report about Auschwitz. It included descriptions of the mass-murder facilities and diagrams locating the gas chambers and crematoria.

Following this report, Jewish organizations repeatedly asked the Roosevelt administration to order the bombing of Auschwitz and the railroad lines leading to the camp.

The War Department rejected the bombing requests. They stated such raids would be "impracticable" and require "considerable diversion" of planes needed for the war effort.

U.S. government officials claimed to have conducted a study that found that bombing Auschwitz was not militarily feasible, but no evidence of a study has ever been found.

Other "diversions" of military resources for non-military reasons were made during the war, further incriminating the U.S. government's refusal to bomb Auschwitz. Secretary of War Henry Stimson blocked the plan to bomb the Japanese city of Kyoto because of its artistic treasures. Stimson's deputy John McCloy, who dismissed many requests to bomb Auschwitz, blocked plans to bomb the German city of Rothenburg because of its famous medieval architecture. And General George Patton diverted U.S. troops to rescue 150 Lipizzaner horses in Austria.

The administration's "diversion" argument was just "a rationalization," according to McGovern. He and other U.S bomber-pilots already were flying over the area, so bombing Auschwitz would not have been much of a diversion at all.

In the summer and fall of 1944, the Allies repeatedly bombed the oil refineries near Auschwitz. On December 26, 1944, for instance, McGovern's squadron dropped 50 tons of bombs on oil facilities that were located less than five miles from the Auschwitz ovens. At this site 1.6 million people were murdered from 1942 to 1944, and at this time hundreds of Jews were being murdered every day.

McGovern is certain the U.S. made a mistake in refusing to bomb Auschwitz. Even if there was a danger of accidentally harming some of the prisoners, "it was certainly worth the effort, despite all the risks," he noted, because the prisoners were already "doomed to death." An Allied bombing attack might have slowed the mass-murder process and saved many more lives.

"Franklin Roosevelt was a great man, and he was my political hero," McGovern said. "But I think he made two great mistakes in World War II." One was the internment of Japanese-Americans, and the other was the decision "not to go after Auschwitz. …
G-d forgive us for that tragic miscalculation."

McGovern believes the Auschwitz experience should produce a determination that "we must never again permit genocide." The Holocaust should teach us to condemn both the savagery of the Nazis as well as the role of bystanders who didn't do enough to stop it. McGovern's comments appear in a new film, “They Looked Away.”
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The Allies had information about the "Final Solution" by 1942. Photos of the death camp were taken by American planes during the war. The US had detailed reports about Auschwitz from escaped prisoners.
Bombing the men's camp in Auschwitz-Birkenau camp would have been no more complex than numerous other missions. P-38 or Mosquito fighters could have been used without causing significant collateral damage and heavy and medium bombers had the range to attack the camp as well. Thousands of pounds of high explosives were dropped on the factory areas of Auschwitz which were less than five miles from the gas chambers.
Prisoners would surely have died in any raid, but Birkenau prisoners worked outside the camp, so the number of casualties would not have been that high.
More importantly, the focus should be on the number of Jews who could have been saved by the bombing. Destroying Crematoria II and III at Birkenau would have eliminated 75 percent of its killing capacity at a time when it would have been difficult, if not impossible to rebuild them. Without the extermination facilities, the SS undoubtedly would have been forced to slow or altogether halt the deportations. At the very least, the allies could easily have saved hundreds of thousands of Hungarian Jewish lives during the summer and fall of 1944.

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The Germans placed higher priority on Judenevakuierung than over their essential military traffic.

For example, in 1943 the Germans had no better use for their trains, which were desperately needed for the Eastern Front, than to use them to transport 46,000 Sephardi Jewish men, women and children from the coastal paradise of Salonika to the hell of Auschwitz.

The rumors of death camps received in late 1943 and early 1944 were enough to order RAF reconnaissance flights. There were five aerial photography missions flown between early April and November 1944. The first flight was before the flood of Hungarian Jews arrived as part of SS operations to eliminate that country's Jews commanded by Adolf Eichmann.

This mission photographed a new rail spur that, unknown to the photo interpreters, was part of the upgrade of Birkenau's facilities to handle the anticipated influx of Hungarian Jews. The next mission was flown on June 26 near the end of the first phase of the German deportations, by when many of the Hungarian Jews had already passed through the gas chambers.

It was feasible that the Allies could have carried out a precision bombing raid to cut the rail link or destroy the gas chambers which had been pinpointed. Instead the Allies chose to raid the IG Farben Buna rubber plant at Auschwitz-Monowitz, because they viewed it as "a more viable target".



German witnesses stated post-war that had the Allies destroyed the rail link it would have taken months to repair due to the lack of materials. But even if the railway lines had been completely destroyed, the Nazis would have redirected prisoners to other camps via truck for execution. Or else they would have sacrificed some of their customary secrecy and installed the mass-murder equipment further west to eg  Mauthausen, Buchenwald, Dachau, etc.

From their point of view, why would the Allies bother? It wouldn't have progressed their war effort a single iota. Their war against Germany was not about saving Jews, regardless of the image of WWII we are presented with today. "Because of the oppression of your brother Yaakov, you will blanch with shame and be cut off for ever... you stood by on the day foreigners plundered his wealth and aliens entered his gates...you too are like one of them...you should not have stood at the exit point to destroy his refugees... you should not have handed over his remnant on the day of disaster" (Ovadiah 1).

The head of RAF Bomber Command Air Chief Marshal Arthur "Bomber" Harris told the Ma'ariv newspaper in 1961: "I can't recall that I ever heard of such a plea to bomb Auschwitz. To the best of my recollection I never knew of the existence of the German extermination camps until we liberated Bergen Belsen in 1945".

The US & UK response to the Jewish plight in WW2 may have been unimpressive and less than spirited. But the British were the only nation to have fought against Nazi tyranny from the beginning to the end, and the record of other countries was far, far worse; let alone the dreadful culpability and inactivity of the Jewish Agency and secular Zionist leaders in the USA and Palestine during the Holocaust.

                                                              
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I hope you, George McGovern and your families will be round up, raped, beaten until your bones are destroyed into endless pieces and you'll be drying out of blood, your bodies are filled with hungry rats and melt with acid, you are sliced into trillions of cells and gassed so you would become an example of the minimal treatment for Nazis.
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I hope you, George McGovern and your families will be round up, raped, beaten until your bones are destroyed into endless pieces and you'll be drying out of blood, your bodies are filled with hungry rats and melt with acid, you are sliced into trillions of cells and gassed so you would become an example of the minimal treatment for Nazis.

Ok, Ron, maybe he was just quoting that article to get our opinions.  He never actually said he agreed with it.   Give this guy time to show his true colors, he only has 2 posts.

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I hope you, George McGovern and your families will be round up, raped, beaten until your bones are destroyed into endless pieces and you'll be drying out of blood, your bodies are filled with hungry rats and melt with acid, you are sliced into trillions of cells and gassed so you would become an example of the minimal treatment for Nazis.

Ok, Ron, maybe he was just quoting that article to get our opinions.  He never actually said he agreed with it.   Give this guy time to show his true colors, he only has 2 posts.

Come on KWR, look at the title of the thread, he does. Its not the first time he defends Nazis.

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I hope you, George McGovern and your families will be round up, raped, beaten until your bones are destroyed into endless pieces and you'll be drying out of blood, your bodies are filled with hungry rats and melt with acid, you are sliced into trillions of cells and gassed so you would become an example of the minimal treatment for Nazis.

Ok, Ron, maybe he was just quoting that article to get our opinions.  He never actually said he agreed with it.   Give this guy time to show his true colors, he only has 2 posts.

Come on KWR, look at the title of the thread, he does. Its not the first time he defends Nazis.

Who?  Shabbes goy has 2 posts.   1 was an ask jtf question.

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Re: Could the Allies have bombed Auschwitz and the rail lines leading to it?
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2010, 12:59:02 AM »
I hope you, George McGovern and your families will be round up, raped, beaten until your bones are destroyed into endless pieces and you'll be drying out of blood, your bodies are filled with hungry rats and melt with acid, you are sliced into trillions of cells and gassed so you would become an example of the minimal treatment for Nazis.

Ok, Ron, maybe he was just quoting that article to get our opinions.  He never actually said he agreed with it.   Give this guy time to show his true colors, he only has 2 posts.

Come on KWR, look at the title of the thread, he does. Its not the first time he defends Nazis.

Who?  Shabbes goy has 2 posts.   1 was an ask jtf question.

Have you read the question? He tries to "prove" not all Muslims are Nazis in a typical pro-Muslim Nazi rhetoric.

"Could the Allies have bombed Auschwitz and the rail lines leading to it?" says everything. He defends the Nazi Allies and tries to excuse the Allies (of the Nazis) who let the Jews of Europe be Holocausted by saying they couldn't bomb the rail lines leading to Auschwitz. Just a typical Nazi untermensch.
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Re: Could the Allies have bombed Auschwitz and the rail lines leading to it?
« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2010, 03:44:00 AM »
I am a bit suspicious of this poster but for now let's just see what he does.

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Re: Could the Allies have bombed Auschwitz and the rail lines leading to it?
« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2010, 09:31:44 AM »
It seems very likely to me too that this is a Nazi troll.
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Re: Could the Allies have bombed Auschwitz and the rail lines leading to it?
« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2010, 10:27:15 AM »
The user name should set up red flags alone.

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Re: Could the Allies have bombed Auschwitz and the rail lines leading to it?
« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2010, 10:37:45 AM »
I bet he's someone we have had before... not sure who, though.

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Re: Could the Allies have bombed Auschwitz and the rail lines leading to it?
« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2010, 01:34:56 PM »
If you were a Jewish pilot in a US bomber being ordered to fly all the way to Poland and back through Hun flak and likely die, specifically in order to save 'some Gypsies', you would be a bit miffed.



With the judophobic gentile mindset of the 40s, with any mission to Auschwitz specifically in order to save 'some Jews', one could expect the redneck USAF American pilots also to be a bit miffed!
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Re: Could the Allies have bombed Auschwitz and the rail lines leading to it?
« Reply #16 on: December 23, 2010, 02:47:35 PM »
I hope you, George McGovern and your families will be round up, raped, beaten until your bones are destroyed into endless pieces and you'll be drying out of blood, your bodies are filled with hungry rats and melt with acid, you are sliced into trillions of cells and gassed so you would become an example of the minimal treatment for Nazis.

Ok, Ron, maybe he was just quoting that article to get our opinions.  He never actually said he agreed with it.   Give this guy time to show his true colors, he only has 2 posts.

Come on KWR, look at the title of the thread, he does. Its not the first time he defends Nazis.

Who?  Shabbes goy has 2 posts.   1 was an ask jtf question.

Have you read the question? He tries to "prove" not all Muslims are Nazis in a typical pro-Muslim Nazi rhetoric.

"Could the Allies have bombed Auschwitz and the rail lines leading to it?" says everything. He defends the Nazi Allies and tries to excuse the Allies (of the Nazis) who let the Jews of Europe be Holocausted by saying they couldn't bomb the rail lines leading to Auschwitz. Just a typical Nazi untermensch.

HUH?

When I read his ask jtf question, he was asking Chaim how surprised he was by Israel's treatment of him.

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Re: Could the Allies have bombed Auschwitz and the rail lines leading to it?
« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2010, 02:49:55 PM »
The user name should set up red flags alone.

Why?  Elvis Presley was a Shabbes goy as a kid.

(Actually, that was probably a big mistake because I think he had a Jewish mother!)

Aside from this person, What if someone who is actually a shabbos goy comes on here and posts under that name?   You're going to assume he's a nazi?    I know people who take pride in having served as shabbos goys and they would help Jews on Shabbat when their electricity would break or whatever.

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Re: Could the Allies have bombed Auschwitz and the rail lines leading to it?
« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2010, 02:52:44 PM »
I hope you, George McGovern and your families will be round up, raped, beaten until your bones are destroyed into endless pieces and you'll be drying out of blood, your bodies are filled with hungry rats and melt with acid, you are sliced into trillions of cells and gassed so you would become an example of the minimal treatment for Nazis.

Ok, Ron, maybe he was just quoting that article to get our opinions.  He never actually said he agreed with it.   Give this guy time to show his true colors, he only has 2 posts.

Come on KWR, look at the title of the thread, he does. Its not the first time he defends Nazis.

Who?  Shabbes goy has 2 posts.   1 was an ask jtf question.

Have you read the question? He tries to "prove" not all Muslims are Nazis in a typical pro-Muslim Nazi rhetoric.

"Could the Allies have bombed Auschwitz and the rail lines leading to it?" says everything. He defends the Nazi Allies and tries to excuse the Allies (of the Nazis) who let the Jews of Europe be Holocausted by saying they couldn't bomb the rail lines leading to Auschwitz. Just a typical Nazi untermensch.

Look Ron, you could be right since he changed his question now to something that seems to whitewash muslim nazis, but the question in bold, is NOT an assertion, it's a question.    And what you say is pretty drastic to just take a guess on someone and say that. 


"He defends the Nazi Allies"

Could they have bombed?  Question.  Does not equal -  They couldn't have bombed!

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Re: Could the Allies have bombed Auschwitz and the rail lines leading to it?
« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2010, 03:41:36 PM »
"He defends the Nazi Allies"
Could they have bombed?  Question.  Does not equal -  They couldn't have bombed!

Well, precisely, in his original post he asserted that they couldn't have bombed. I'm sure you don't fail to see what the intention is behind this kind of argument.

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« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2010, 03:46:01 PM »
Those who mistake my doubts about the feasibility of this raid and call me a Judenrat or capo are showing they might be good Jews but they are bad Americans.  -  Shabbes Goy  

You want to make good Jews look like traitors to America, you Nazi worm. You want to convince us that there is a contradiction between being a good Jew and a good American.

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Re: Could the Allies have bombed Auschwitz and the rail lines leading to it?
« Reply #21 on: December 23, 2010, 04:56:55 PM »
"He defends the Nazi Allies"
Could they have bombed?  Question.  Does not equal -  They couldn't have bombed!

Well, precisely, in his original post he asserted that they couldn't have bombed. 
   In my view, he quoted someone to bring up a discussion.   How many times do antisemites and nazis get quoted here in order to trash them and refute them?   Quite often.   

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I'm sure you don't fail to see what the intention is behind this kind of argument.

Of course if this person continued to push mcgovern's argument after hearing response and refutation of it, then yeah.   But maybe he just read this once and wanted to know other people's takes on it.    I just can't understand how quoting an article gets someone labeled a nazi, especially when they never really expressed agreement with it that I have seen.

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Those who mistake my doubts about the feasibility of this raid and call me a Judenrat or capo are showing they might be good Jews but they are bad Americans.  -  Shabbes Goy 

Where was this quoted from?   I never saw this until you just wrote it now.   Was this in the post initially?

What a stupid thing to say.   A good american is one who purposely gets Jews murdered?   Only an animal would say this.

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Re: Could the Allies have bombed Auschwitz and the rail lines leading to it?
« Reply #22 on: December 23, 2010, 05:04:51 PM »
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Those who mistake my doubts about the feasibility of this raid and call me a Judenrat or capo are showing they might be good Jews but they are bad Americans.  -  Shabbes Goy 

Where was this quoted from?   I never saw this until you just wrote it now.   Was this in the post initially?

What a stupid thing to say.   A good american is one who purposely gets Jews murdered?   Only an animal would say this.

It's right here, right now, first post in the thread.

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Re: Could the Allies have bombed Auschwitz and the rail lines leading to it?
« Reply #23 on: December 23, 2010, 05:11:21 PM »
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Those who mistake my doubts about the feasibility of this raid and call me a Judenrat or capo are showing they might be good Jews but they are bad Americans.  -  Shabbes Goy 

Where was this quoted from?   I never saw this until you just wrote it now.   Was this in the post initially?

What a stupid thing to say.   A good american is one who purposely gets Jews murdered?   Only an animal would say this.

This Nazi shmuck has just edited his post to erase what I quoted ! It was not in his first post, but in a later version.

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Re: Could the Allies have bombed Auschwitz and the rail lines leading to it?
« Reply #24 on: December 23, 2010, 05:48:55 PM »
So he's trying to be deceptive.   


What's the matter Shabbes Goy, afraid to put your words up for scrutiny?