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Chabad and Jewish Messianism [Machon Shilo Shiur]
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: muman613 on February 01, 2011, 01:36:03 AM ---I think this is a bunch of BS..
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You must not have listened to the shiurim. Unless you can point to something specific about what he said that is so-called "bs" your comment is a meaningless denial and disrespectful.
Come on muman, it is well known that many chabad shluchin believe in their rebbe as moschiach or worse they think he was God and pray to him. Usually the american shluchim won't admit this openly even if they think him messiah. But notably, such people won't openly deny it either. And I'm speaking about many but not all, of course. Like Rabbi bar Hayim says SOME CHABAD ADHERENTS. But in Israel, the chabadniks are much more open about it with their flags and openly admitting it. If u go there you'll see this. But people who interact with chabad , like you or me or Ari usually don't share these beliefs it's just the actual shluchim.
And I don't say any of this because I look for problems with chassidism, its simply ackowledging the facts.
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
Btw Rabbi Wolpe who heads the SOS Israel organization is openly "messichist". Quite ironically IMO he is one of very few rabbis in Israel who are advocating real common sense measures of what must be done to save the Jewish people. I say that's ironic because I would think that a rabbi who believes the moschiach came already would be anything but practical.
Btw muman you say you asked your chabad rabbis point blank if they believe the rebbe is messiah and they answered honestly, but what was their answer?
muman613:
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on February 02, 2011, 01:03:08 PM ---Btw Rabbi Wolpe who heads the SOS Israel organization is openly "messichist". Quite ironically IMO he is one of very few rabbis in Israel who are advocating real common sense measures of what must be done to save the Jewish people. I say that's ironic because I would think that a rabbi who believes the moschiach came already would be anything but practical.
Btw muman you say you asked your chabad rabbis point blank if they believe the rebbe is messiah and they answered honestly, but what was their answer?
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As we have said here, the Rabbis relate that there are some Chabad followers who do believe these heretical beliefs. I never denied that some do... I simply state that of all the Rabbis and Chabad houses which I have been to, and Rabbis I have asked, they all explain that it is just a fringe element which believes this.
I have a good friend who grew up in the Chabad community in NY and he confirms that there are some who do believe this. I do not recall the entire conversation but we did have an in-depth discussion on this issue. Maybe I will ask him again and relate what he said.
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
But I am wondering, did those rabbis themselves (which you asked) personally deny that they themselves believe that. Ie did any of them say 'No that is not true that the rebbe was /is/will be messiah'
Or did they just claim its a fringe element and left it at that?
wonga66:
In exactly what year and in what subjects did this Australian R.David Bar Chayim teach in the Jerusalem Kahane Yeshivah?
Would he be allowed to teach there again?
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