Q & A with Moshe Feiglin ( from 'The Jewish Star' )

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Earlier today,  someone sent me the following article after I raised doubts about Moshe Feiglin to him.     While I still am uncomfortable with Feiglin's involvement in the Likud Party,   at least in this article /  link,     Feiglin clearly didn't think much of Bibi's leadership:

http://www.jewishisrael.org/eng_contents/articles/70/article7024.html



Bibi's Slippery Slope

By Moshe Feiglin

19 Shvat, 5770 (Jan. 21, '10)

In its Friday edition, the Makor Rishon newspaper cited senior American sources reporting that Netanyahu has already surrendered almost everything; the Golan, almost all of Judea and Samaria, Jerusalem and the Temple Mount, even some areas inside Israel's 1967 border. In exchange, the State of Israel will be allowed to keep a few settlement blocs. And what has Netanyahu achieved for Israel in exchange for this far-reaching agreement in principle? Nothing. Certainly not peace and not even international recognition that Israel is a Jewish state.

This is not really earth-shattering news. For years, we have been warning that Netanyahu is liable to drag us down a slippery slope. In the end, Netanyahu will not get the settlement blocs. But he will have succeeded in violating the integrity of Israel's 1967 borders.

The simple and sad truth is that the only thing preventing this collapse is Arab intransigence. The Arabs, it turns out, really do not want a state. None other than British Foreign Secretary Ernest Bevin, not exactly known for his affection for Jews, stated to the British Parliament in 1947: "To the Jews, the essential point of principle is the creation of a sovereign Jewish State. To the Arabs, the essential point of principle is to resist to the last the establishment of Jewish sovereignty in any part of Palestine."

Nothing has changed in the 63 years that have passed since then. The main goal of the Arabs who live in the Land of Israel is to prevent us, the Jews, from having a Jewish state. They do not want their own state. If they really did want one, they could have had it many times over. They have consistently sabotaged every golden opportunity for a state offered them by Israel, with the support of the entire world.

What then, is wrong with Netanyahu's strategy? Maybe he is right when he agrees to surrender everything, leaving the Arabs to once again refuse and appear intransigent?

That may be fine in an anonymous battle of wits. But when the prime minister of Israel agrees to surrender Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel and Jerusalem, it has far reaching and serious implications. No other leader in the world would dare commit such an act. On the practical plane as well, Netanyahu is playing with fire. When Arafat, alone in exile in Tunis, felt he had no choice, he "accepted" the idea of "peace" – at least for the cameras. He got what he wanted and then, of course, surprised the world with his continued campaign of murderous violence. Likewise, Abu Mazen does not want a state, but if the Americans force it down his throat, he just may take it.

If that happens, G-d forbid, it would mean that the only territory in the world that does not have an official sovereign today – Judea and Samaria – will be internationally recognized as non-Jewish territory. The Nation of Israel will have officially surrendered the inheritance that it received from the Creator and that was recognized as such by the nations of the world.

Nationalist Attorney Elyakim Haetzni writes as follows:
"'Fate' or Divine Providence has left the Chosen Land open for the Chosen People, as there is no state in the world that has 'right of return' to Yesha according to international law. The Jordanians invaded and in 1988 they surrendered their claim; the British Mandate that preceded them no longer exists; the Turkish, in the Treaty of Lausanne, surrendered their rights and the Marmelukes are in the museum. All that is still valid, so long as there is no other sovereign, is the mandate that recognized the historical rights of the Jewish nation to re-establish its national home in the Land of Israel and instructed the British to 'encourage dense settlement on the ground, including state lands.' Thus, we are still the rightful owner, and only the rightful owner can surrender his rights.

If, however, a Palestinian state is established with Israel's consent, our land will be considered 'Palestinian'. Afterwards, when the Palestinians breach the agreement and the IDF will once again conquer Shechem, we will always be forced to retreat, because it will be 'Palestinian land.' Nazi Germany was destroyed, but it was exchanged for 'a different Germany,' because it was still 'German Land.'

Woe to the Jewish leader whose name will go down in history as the person responsible for turning Israel's land into Palestinian land. There are Jews who would prefer to die rather than be responsible for such a historical catastrophe, equal to all the physical dangers facing us put together."

In the meantime, "fate" or Divine Providence has saved the Promised Land for the Jews. But in Gush Katif we learned that Divine Providence also expects us to take practical action. We are not on the high, Biblical level of "G-d will fight for you, and you remain silent." And as we know from our Sages, we must not rely on miracles.

Sadly, Netanyahu is not among those Jews who would "prefer to die rather than be responsible for such a historical catastrophe." If given the opportunity, he will certainly send this particular historical catastrophe our way. Clearly, he must be replaced – and the sooner the better.

And now for the good news. The past months have seen a tremendous surge in registration for the Likud.  Soon, Israel's political system will emerge from its winter hibernation and that is traditionally the time for political crises – both inside and outside the Likud. We do not know exactly when the Likud members will once again be casting their votes for the new leader of their party. We do know, however, that this scenario will take place and it is very possible that it will happen sooner than we think. Those people who register for the Likud now will be perfectly positioned to prevent the re-election of the same "catastrophe."

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I just noticed that the accident involving Moshe Feiglin's son was in the summer of 2010.     I previously thought it was in the summer of 2009.     Hence,   the article I posted a few minutes ago was BEFORE the accident.     

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The article (Jerusalem Post Magazine March 25, p14) entitled "The accidental transformation of Moshe Feiglin - the far-right Likud activist is adopting a kinder, gentler approach", states:


Feiglin admits that he was an angry person. He was bitter at the many obstacles and circumstances that have been put in his way and blocked his political rise. And he was fecociously critical of PM Netanyahu and his other adversaries.....now since the accident he says his indignation has subsided. He is more accepting , less bitter, and even has a nice thing to to say about Netanyahu...."I am not mad against anyone, certainly not Netanyahu. I am less of an angry person, because the accident put things in proportion. ....I realized after the accident that I had shot myself in the foot when I let my anger get the best of me and said things I now regret. I crossed red lines in my relations with Netanyahu....it doesn't matter who is right - you need to act differently....I should have held back...I should have absorbed the blows and not responded." He says that under the current circumstances, "Netanyau is the ideal leader.....no one can lead the country better than Netanyahu, including myself....I don't have major complaints....people will realize that his Manhigut Yehudit group in the Likud was right all along....the establishment in Judea and Samaria are now all in Likud...I am glad that people with loyal views shouldn't be in small parties...I still want to lead the country, but I don't need to be Popeye any more...I don't have to fight anyone...I don't have to hate anyone"



With all due comiseration to him, but for a Kahanist, Feiglin's kind of milquetoast talk is kfirah.

Can you imagine true ideologues like a Rav Meir Kahane or a Chaim ben Pesach wimping out and speaking like this, no matter what their personal circumstances?

wonga66 ,   is there an Internet link to this article?       I want to send this to a Moshe Feiglin supporter,   with him seeing the actual article.     

If there isn't a link,      if you could scan the article from it's actual page,    it would certainly be appreciated.   

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Here is a link to the "Accidental transformation of Moshe Feiglin" article http://www.jpost.com/Magazine/Features/Home.aspx

But the verminous "Geriatric Post" wants $ out of you to read it!

So I'll scan it for you:

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pt3 of Feiglin article below: "No one can lead the country better than Netanyahu, including myself"! (Moshe Feiglin, March 2011).

To have undergone such a volte-face in his ideology and core belief system, Feiglin must either 1) have had a complete mental breakdown, 2) been bribed with $, 3) have been threatened, or 4) have been soft & rotten to the core ab initio, like almost all Sabras, but we just didn't realise it!

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Marzel flays the Likud here, and presumably in his last sentence includes Feiglin!

http://www.sos-israel.com/48796.html

"The Likud is a Danger to Israel
Only the Likud could evict Jews, only the Likud could establish (G-d forbid) a Palestinian state.  Nothing good has come from the Likud; not in the field of education, not in the field of economics, not in Judaism and not in security.  Whoever is counted as a Likud member today and strengthens it- is a partner to all the evils that the Likud does and plans to do

Baruch Marzel- Our Land of Israel

When Begin rose to power, I was very happy.  When I expressed my joy to Rabbi Kahane, HY"D, he told me that I do not understand anything; that at the bottom line, there is no difference between Peres and Begin: both surrender to American pressure, both are equally dangerous. It took me years to realize how right he was.

After decades of Left rule, the Right managed to elect the Likud government, but instead of ruling, Begin handed over the reins to the Supreme Court with the announcement "there are judges in Yerushalayim."

In the other power centers of the left - communications, economics and defense, Begin refused to make changes, as is done with the ′changing of the guards′ in the U.S. government; in fact, even when a Likud candidate is elected prime minister, the left continues to control and lead, through the officials in the ministries.

On the rooftops of Yamit it came to me: the Left talks about ceding territories, but the Right is the one to carry it out.  The Camp David Accords, signed by the Likud, are the prototype of all territory cessions. They are the archetype. What Begin is allowed to do, so are Rabin and others.

  
The Likud gave away Sinai, which is more than double the size of today′s Israel, at Camp David.  For the first time, tens of yishuvim were uprooted, and thousands were expelled from their homes.  The oil and gas fields, desperately needed to boost our economy, were handed over to Egypt.  Begin also brought the enemy so much closer to the heart of the country. Until then, the Egyptian Army would need 12 hours to get to the center of the country.  After ceding Sinai, it could take one hour of travel to get to the middle of the country.

All these concessions were made to get a piece of paper that today we realize what it is worth.  But Begin didn′t stop there.  He added a great bonus to our enemies: for the first time he acknowledged the rights of the Arabs (aka Palestinians) for autonomy and self definition.  By doing this he wrought tragedy upon us, legitimizing the Left to bring the Oslo disaster upon us, based on the begin Likud government′s precedent.  

Despite all the failures, the Likud continued to realize the Meretz ideology.  Netanyahu signed the failing Chevron Accords and the Wye Accords, which brought unbridled terror into the city centers.  It was only after two years that the Operation Defensive Sheild was implemented and the terror stopped.

However, as a fool who repeats his foolish acts, the Likud continued and committed the sin of the expulsion from Gush Katif, and caused Hamastan to be set up in Gaza.  From there, there, the center of the country is in danger of missile attack.

This wasn′t a strong enough lesson for Netanyahu and the Likud leaders.  Contrary to everything he taught, promised and wrote, he announced at his Bar Ilan Address that he supports a state for the terrorists.  Netanyahu is the first ever to totally freeze construction in Yehuda, Shomron and Yerushalayim (what was frozen will be up for negotiation). He boasted to the German Prime Minister that in the time that he is in power, the least homes have been built in Yesha and Yerushalayim.  Nowadays he is helping the terrorist state be established, while planning the mass and unilateral cession from Yehuda and Shomron. All the above is the exact opposite of what he proclaimed, believed and wrote all the years.

There is no escaping the conclusion that the Likud is a disaster for Eretz Yisroel and the Jewish Nation.  Only the Likud can expel Jews, only the Likud can set up a Palestinian State.  Nothing good ever came out of the Likud, and nothing good will ever come out of them. Not in education, not in economics, not in strengthening Judaism and not in security.  

Those who are counted in the Likud and empower the party is a partner in all their crimes, past, present and future."

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Everyone who thinks Feiglin is such a big, bad rightist needs to remember how he slandered the heroes Amir and Dr. Goldstein.

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wonga66,   thanks for scanning the pages and sharing it with us.