Is Osama still alive? Is Obama still foreign born?

[Daniel]

Just out of curiosity, how many of you have doubts that Bin Laden is actually dead? Are you the same ones who still believe that Obama wasn't actually born in Hawaii? The term "birthers" is used to describe those who believe that Obama wasn't born in the US. So does this mean that for those that believe that Bin Laden's death isn't real and is really a conspiracy, will the term "deather" be attributed? 

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Just out of curiosity, how many of you have doubts that Bin Laden is actually dead? Are you the same ones who still believe that Obama wasn't actually born in Hawaii? The term "birthers" is used to describe those who believe that Obama wasn't born in the US. So does this mean that for those that believe that Bin Laden's death isn't real and is really a conspiracy, will the term "deather" be attributed? 

You're behaving like a child.

[Rubystars]

Just out of curiosity, how many of you have doubts that Bin Laden is actually dead?

I think he's probably dead but I don't know if he was killed when they said he was unless they knew where he was for a long time and were waiting to kill him at the opportune moment.

Are you the same ones who still believe that Obama wasn't actually born in Hawaii? The term "birthers" is used to describe those who believe that Obama wasn't born in the US. So does this mean that for those that believe that Bin Laden's death isn't real and is really a conspiracy, will the term "deather" be attributed? 

Funny

I don't know where Obama was born but he's hiding something about his birth or he wouldn't have spent 2 million trying to hide it. Plus there's a lot about his early life we need to know about.

[Lisa]

Daniel, from what I understand so far, it's only the Muslims who are saying Bin Laden isn't really dead.  I think one of the news headlines actually said something about positive DNA evidence.  

[Dr. Dan]

Bin Laden is definitely dead.  Wasn't sure at first, but now I'm 99% sure.

Obama is still hiding something...there is something strange about not want to show a birth certificate (even waste 2 million dollars like it's nothing) to hide it from everyone, only to show it later and have nothing that significant on it.  Something's off...

[Daniel]

What I find really strange is that Obama is the only president ever to be asked for a birth certificate. He's the only president where this type of conspiracy theory persisted and persisted and persisted to the point where people were paying more attention to his birth certificate than to the issues. That's what I find really strange! Why is it that he's the only one? Whatever the reason is, do you honestly expect me to believe that the fact that we have a black in the White House has absolutely nothing to do with it?

[muman613]

What I find really strange is that Obama is the only president ever to be asked for a birth certificate. He's the only president where this type of conspiracy theory persisted and persisted and persisted to the point where people were paying more attention to his birth certificate than to the issues. That's what I find really strange! Why is it that he's the only one? Whatever the reason is, do you honestly expect me to believe that the fact that we have a black in the White House has absolutely nothing to do with it?

The issue has to do with where he was born. In Obamas own books he mentions his Islamic upbringing. I think it is more disconcerting that he was so involved with islam at an early age. I think most people don't care about the color of his skin, but they are concerned that he espouses an anti-American, pro-Islamic ideology.

On this JTF has been 100% correct. He is a muslim and he is most definately communist and anti-american. We see this through the actions he has taken as president of America. He wants to erase what he calls 'American Exceptionalism' and in effect make America just another third world nation. He wants to make friends with Americas enemies and make enemies of Americas friends. He took an anti-Israel stance shortly after being inaugurated.

Obama is THE WORST president I have ever known. My mother and step-father, who until recently were card-carrying democrats, have stated that they have never hated a president more because of his pathetic policies. I am one of those who consider Obama 1000X worse than Jimmy Cahtah ever was.

Daniel, you seem to be a very naive and immature person to cling to such nonsense... If you are Jewish you should reject Obamas anti-Israel stance and open your eyes to the damage which he is doing on a daily basis to our international standing. Obama was ill prepared to be president and his accomplishments are very poor...

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

What I find really strange is that Obama is the only president ever to be asked for a birth certificate.

What other president was possibly born in a different country?

If there had been one, he would have had to prove his american-born credentials too.

Why is it that he's the only one? Whatever the reason is, do you honestly expect me to believe that the fact that we have a black in the White House has absolutely nothing to do with it?

LOL, you really can't be this stupid.   It was unclear whether he was born in Kenya or Hawaii.   He spent most of his childhood in a foreign country and had citizenship in a foreign country where he was raised in Indonesia.     That certainly makes a person ripe for questioning about his birth records especially when running for president in a country where its constitution disqualifies foreign-born citizens from being president.     It wouldn't matter if Obama was an albino from kenya. 

[Daniel]

The issue has to do with where he was born. In Obamas own books he mentions his Islamic upbringing. I think it is more disconcerting that he was so involved with islam at an early age. I think most people don't care about the color of his skin, but they are concerned that he espouses an anti-American, pro-Islamic ideology.

On this JTF has been 100% correct. He is a muslim and he is most definately communist and anti-american. We see this through the actions he has taken as president of America. He wants to erase what he calls 'American Exceptionalism' and in effect make America just another third world nation. He wants to make friends with Americas enemies and make enemies of Americas friends. He took an anti-Israel stance shortly after being inaugurated.

Obama is THE WORST president I have ever known. My mother and step-father, who until recently were card-carrying democrats, have stated that they have never hated a president more because of his pathetic policies. I am one of those who consider Obama 1000X worse than Jimmy Cahtah ever was.

Daniel, you seem to be a very naive and immature person to cling to such nonsense... If you are Jewish you should reject Obamas anti-Israel stance and open your eyes to the damage which he is doing on a daily basis to our international standing. Obama was ill prepared to be president and his accomplishments are very poor...

Muman, it's really despicable that you resort to calling me a naive and immature person just because I disagree with you. I suppose you would also label all my other Jewish friends and family who think the same exact way as me. As much as I absolutely despised Bush, I have never resorted to that type of name-calling to anyone who supported him. My own father tells me about a co-worker who espouses that Obama was born in Uganda, he never attended Harvard, all the professors at Harvard forged his grades and his diploma and all that other nonsense. My father said he simply responds with, "Why don't you just say what this is really all about? There's a [censored]*ger in the White House!" Now I suppose my father is a naive and immature person as well.

I'm not just stating this to you personally, but to everyone who is reading this. I absolutely respect anyone who disagrees or dislikes Obama. But for anyone who still honestly believes that Obama wasn't born here, then that's something I can't respect, I think anyone who believes this is stupid and insane and want to have absolutely nothing to do with anyone who thinks this way. I even requested on my Facebook profile that anyone who believes this to please defriend me. At the same token, even though I absolutely abhor Bush, anyone who honestly believes that Bush was behind the 9/11 attacks, I think that they are equally despicable and want to have nothing to do with them either. So my respect and acceptance of others isn't based on political ideology, but as to whether someone has a strong hold of reality or whether they espouse views that are just utterly nonsensical and just downright schizophrenic.

[muman613]

Muman, it's really despicable that you resort to calling me a naive and immature person just because I disagree with you. I suppose you would also label all my other Jewish friends and family who think the same exact way as me. As much as I absolutely despised Bush, I have never resorted to that type of name-calling to anyone who supported him. My own father tells me about a co-worker who espouses that Obama was born in Uganda, he never attended Harvard, all the professors at Harvard forged his grades and his diploma and all that other nonsense. My father said he simply responds with, "Why don't you just say what this is really all about? There's a [censored]*ger in the White House!" Now I suppose my father is a naive and immature person as well.

I'm not just stating this to you personally, but to everyone who is reading this. I absolutely respect anyone who disagrees or dislikes Obama. But for anyone who still honestly believes that Obama wasn't born here, then that's something I can't respect, I think anyone who believes this is stupid and insane and want to have absolutely nothing to do with anyone who thinks this way. I even requested on my Facebook profile that anyone who believes this to please defriend me. At the same token, even though I absolutely abhor Bush, anyone who honestly believes that Bush was behind the 9/11 attacks, I think that they are equally despicable and want to have nothing to do with them either. So my respect and acceptance of others isn't based on political ideology, but as to whether someone has a strong hold of reality or whether they espouse views that are just utterly nonsensical and just downright schizophrenic.

First off, you are making assumptions.... I never voted for Bush.... Secondly... I am entirely within my right to consider you naive because you have not experienced things which I have experienced.

It seems to me that you are the racist because you keep on saying the issue is because he is black. That has nothing to do with the reason I dislike {even disdain} obama. I knew a lot about obama because I read the things which HE HIMSELF wrote. I judged him based on his political position {one of being a community organizer with communist and socialist 'friends' and mentors}. I disliked him because he attended an anti-American church for 20 years and then pretended, when caught, to not have listened to a word that pastor said while sitting in the pews for 20 years {YEA RIGHT!}.

You may want to close your eyes to the facts but I myself am old enough to know that Obama is pulling the wool over the eyes of the American people. The issue to me is his islamic and communist associations. These associations go way back and you cannot disprove them.

In my opinion the left is completely schizophrenic... The president who was elected to end wars has started new ones, the president elected to unify the country has divided it even worse than it was before he was elected, the president who was elected to bring economic change has only changed things for the worse {look at how many are unemployed now}. Obama is THE WORST president in history and I have absolutely no reason to think things will turn around.

[Daniel]

First off, you are making assumptions.... I never voted for Bush.... Secondly... I am entirely within my right to consider you naive because you have not experienced things which I have experienced.

It seems to me that you are the racist because you keep on saying the issue is because he is black. That has nothing to do with the reason I dislike {even disdain} obama. I knew a lot about obama because I read the things which HE HIMSELF wrote. I judged him based on his political position {one of being a community organizer with communist and socialist 'friends' and mentors}. I disliked him because he attended an anti-American church for 20 years and then pretended, when caught, to not have listened to a word that pastor said while sitting in the pews for 20 years {YEA RIGHT!}.

You may want to close your eyes to the facts but I myself am old enough to know that Obama is pulling the wool over the eyes of the American people. The issue to me is his islamic and communist associations. These associations go way back and you cannot disprove them.

In my opinion the left is completely schizophrenic... The president who was elected to end wars has started new ones, the president elected to unify the country has divided it even worse than it was before he was elected, the president who was elected to bring economic change has only changed things for the worse {look at how many are unemployed now}. Obama is THE WORST president in history and I have absolutely no reason to think things will turn around.

Okay, I understand where you're coming from and I respect that. Just understand that when I mention schizophrenic, I'm stating that both extremes have the potential of engaging in schizophrenic mentalities. To me, Obama-birthers and 9/11-conspirators are exactly alike.

[Dr. Dan]

What I find really strange is that Obama is the only president ever to be asked for a birth certificate. He's the only president where this type of conspiracy theory persisted and persisted and persisted to the point where people were paying more attention to his birth certificate than to the issues. That's what I find really strange! Why is it that he's the only one? Whatever the reason is, do you honestly expect me to believe that the fact that we have a black in the White House has absolutely nothing to do with it?

Why did he not show it in the first place?  Why did he waste 2 million dollars to hide it until now?  Come on..who's being naive here?!

[Dr. Dan]

Muman, it's really despicable that you resort to calling me a naive and immature person just because I disagree with you. I suppose you would also label all my other Jewish friends and family who think the same exact way as me. As much as I absolutely despised Bush, I have never resorted to that type of name-calling to anyone who supported him. My own father tells me about a co-worker who espouses that Obama was born in Uganda, he never attended Harvard, all the professors at Harvard forged his grades and his diploma and all that other nonsense. My father said he simply responds with, "Why don't you just say what this is really all about? There's a [censored]*ger in the White House!" Now I suppose my father is a naive and immature person as well.

I'm not just stating this to you personally, but to everyone who is reading this. I absolutely respect anyone who disagrees or dislikes Obama. But for anyone who still honestly believes that Obama wasn't born here, then that's something I can't respect, I think anyone who believes this is stupid and insane and want to have absolutely nothing to do with anyone who thinks this way. I even requested on my Facebook profile that anyone who believes this to please defriend me. At the same token, even though I absolutely abhor Bush, anyone who honestly believes that Bush was behind the 9/11 attacks, I think that they are equally despicable and want to have nothing to do with them either. So my respect and acceptance of others isn't based on political ideology, but as to whether someone has a strong hold of reality or whether they espouse views that are just utterly nonsensical and just downright schizophrenic.

Come off it, Daniel...you haven't answered the fact of why Obama wasted 2 million dollars to hide something that wasn't controversial once it was actually shown...I don't trust scum like Obama who belonged to an anti-American, antisemetic church for 20 years and marched in the black KKK million man march...you really have terrible double standards..you complain about folks here who make fun of Obama calling him names as racists, yet you neglect the fact that Obama might as well have been a black KKK member, but for blacks. Get off your high horse.

[Dr. Dan]

Okay, I understand where you're coming from and I respect that. Just understand that when I mention schizophrenic, I'm stating that both extremes have the potential of engaging in schizophrenic mentalities. To me, Obama-birthers and 9/11-conspirators are exactly alike.

They aren't the same. Clearly, a bunch of pissed off Muslims crashed airplanes in the twin towers, the pentagon, etc.

Obama hides something not controversial for 2 million dollars!!!! Man, i wish I had that money..I would buy a huge mansion and give to JTF of course...I'm still questioning Obama's intentions whether or not he was born here..

[Yaakov Mendel]

Personally, I have no doubt that Obama is a Muslim and that he is hiding something about his birth... But let's say that we put that aside. Let's say that we also forget about all the evil people that he made friends with in the past or who got him into power or who even became his mentors... The fact remains that there are many reasons why it is crucial that Obama be defeated in the next elections :

1) Obama is a staunch advocate of the creation of a "Palestinian" state inside Eretz Israel
2) Obama panders to the Muslim world, keeps disseminating the lie that Islam is a "religion of peace" and apologizing to ennemies of our civilization on behalf of America
3) Obama is not putting any pressure on Iran to stop its nuclear programme - he prefers to pressure Israel to stop building in her land
4) Obama is ruining America : under his administration, America's debt has surged at a completely unsustainable pace; his economic policy is a caricature of fiscal irresponsibility

There are of course other reasons why Obama should be voted out of office but isn't that enough already ?

I think the main reason why Obama has not carried out his agenda to its full extent so far (and thus may appear to some voters as relatively "moderate") is because America is a real democracy with strong checks and balances in which the President is not free to behave like a tyrant, even when he has the support of most of the media. But, make no mistake about it, if he is re-elected, he will carry a huge political clout and he won't be faced with the prospect of re-election, and that's when he is going to do everything he can to implement his agenda in a more radical manner, particularly as regards Israel. I am convinced that one of Obama's dreams is to go down in history as the US president who forced Israel to accept the creation of the "Palestinian" state.

[Zelhar]

Osama is still alive and unfortunatel he is now stronger then ever because people Daniel and many other suckers fall for his: "You see, I killed Bin Laden, I am not a muslim" argument.

[syyuge]

May be that Osama is a hoax. Perhaps Osama was never born. Papistan is the terroristan.

[Lisa]

FYI--Daniel, the subject of John McCain being a natural born citizen *was* brought up by the New York Times, as McCain was born in the Coco Solo Naval Air Station in the Panama Canal Zone. At the time of his birth, the McCain family was stationed in the Panama Canal Zone, under American control.  Of course McCain nipped that in the bud, and was very straight forward in terms of furnishing his birth certificate and other necessary documents. He didn't spend millions of dollars paying to hide any real record of his birth.  So at least get your facts straight before you criticize us big bad right wingers for obsessively focusing on Obama's natural born status. 

[Daniel]

Osama is still alive and unfortunatel he is now stronger then ever because people Daniel and many other suckers fall for his: "You see, I killed Bin Laden, I am not a muslim" argument.

I'm not taking issue about whether or not he's a Muslim. What I'm saying is that he killed Bin Laden. So therefore, how can we still accuse him of being the "ultimate Manchurian candidate"? If he really is a Manchurian candidate and is hell bent on destroying this country, then how in hell would he possibly allow America's biggest enemy to be killed? Wouldn't this Manchurian candidate do everything he possibly could to stop Bin Laden's assassination?

The whole reason why I came back to this forum was to see if anyone in JTF could possibly have any appreciation for Obama's killing of Bin Laden. But you guys are so filled with hatred that you will only see the negative. Obama could pardon Jonathan Pollard, he could destroy Iran's nuclear program, heck, he could even hand Israel all the land from the Nile to the Euphrates, but the only thing you guys will ever see is to see him as some evil shvartza schvartze muslim because that's the only frame of reference that you guys know how to operate from.

If you honestly believe that Osama is still alive, then you're a schizoid and you might as well believe that Elvis and Tupak are still alive. Yeah, I guess Osama is hanging out with Elvis and Tupak right now.

[Mishmaat]

I'm not taking issue about whether or not he's a Muslim. What I'm saying is that he killed Bin Laden. So therefore, how can we still accuse him of being the "ultimate Manchurian candidate"? If he really is a Manchurian candidate and is hell bent on destroying this country, then how in hell would he possibly allow America's biggest enemy to be killed? Wouldn't this Manchurian candidate do everything he possibly could to stop Bin Laden's assassination?

I follow your logic, as convoluted as it is. I can provide speculative answers, but I must first state that your premise is completely false. America's biggest enemy is not Bin Laden. America's biggest enemy is Islam. Obviously I shed no tears over his death, but killing Osama Bin Laden does absolutely nothing to diminish the threat of Islamic terrorism.

From a practical and pragmatic viewpoint perhaps Obama pursued this issue in the hopes that this would boost his approval ratings and strengthen his chances of being reelected in 2012. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

The whole reason why I came back to this forum was to see if anyone in JTF could possibly have any appreciation for Obama's killing of Bin Laden. But you guys are so filled with hatred that you will only see the negative. Obama could pardon Jonathan Pollard, he could destroy Iran's nuclear program, heck, he could even hand Israel all the land from the Nile to the Euphrates, but the only thing you guys will ever see is to see him as some evil shvartza schvartze muslim because that's the only frame of reference that you guys know how to operate from.

I hate hypothetical gibberish, but if Obama actually did all of that I would praise him to the hilt.

If you honestly believe that Osama is still alive, then you're a schizoid and you might as well believe that Elvis and Tupak are still alive. Yeah, I guess Osama is hanging out with Elvis and Tupak right now.

I don't focus on or lend credence to really absurd conspiracy theories.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

The whole reason why I came back to this forum was to see if anyone in JTF could possibly have any appreciation for Obama's killing of Bin Laden. But you guys are so filled with hatred that you will only see the negative. Obama could pardon Jonathan Pollard, he could destroy Iran's nuclear program, heck, he could even hand Israel all the land from the Nile to the Euphrates, but the only thing you guys will ever see is to see him as some evil shvartza schvartze muslim because that's the only frame of reference that you guys know how to operate from.

Once again arrogant hyperbole with which you put words in other people's mouths and generalize all JTF people.   So why do you hate us all so much, and if you do, why do you come back?

[Daniel]

Once again arrogant hyperbole with which you put words in other people's mouths and generalize all JTF people.   So why do you hate us all so much, and if you do, why do you come back?

I thought that JTFers would be some of the greatest people to celebrate Bin Laden's death. But boy was I wrong! Most of you are still more hell bent at bashing Obama, and the rest of you actually think that Bin Laden is still alive!

I don't hate any of you, but rather pity so many of you. It must be hell to live with such venom in your hearts. I think I'll go engage my dark side in some other fashion. All this JTF stuff is really toxic to my soul after a while

[Daniel]

The issue has to do with where he was born. In Obamas own books he mentions his Islamic upbringing. I think it is more disconcerting that he was so involved with islam at an early age. I think most people don't care about the color of his skin, but they are concerned that he espouses an anti-American, pro-Islamic ideology.

On this JTF has been 100% correct. He is a muslim and he is most definately communist and anti-american. We see this through the actions he has taken as president of America. He wants to erase what he calls 'American Exceptionalism' and in effect make America just another third world nation. He wants to make friends with Americas enemies and make enemies of Americas friends. He took an anti-Israel stance shortly after being inaugurated.

Obama is THE WORST president I have ever known. My mother and step-father, who until recently were card-carrying democrats, have stated that they have never hated a president more because of his pathetic policies. I am one of those who consider Obama 1000X worse than Jimmy Cahtah ever was.

Daniel, you seem to be a very naive and immature person to cling to such nonsense... If you are Jewish you should reject Obamas anti-Israel stance and open your eyes to the damage which he is doing on a daily basis to our international standing. Obama was ill prepared to be president and his accomplishments are very poor...

Circumlocution, circumlocution, and more circumlocution.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

I thought that JTFers would be some of the greatest people to celebrate Bin Laden's death. But boy was I wrong! Most of you are still more hell bent at bashing Obama, and the rest of you actually think that Bin Laden is still alive!

I don't hate any of you, but rather pity so many of you. It must be hell to live with such venom in your hearts. I think I'll go engage my dark side in some other fashion. All this JTF stuff is really toxic to my soul after a while

Again, not giving people a chance to state their own views, but projecting views onto them from your high-and-mighty lookout pier.   This gets boring, dude.    Do you have a life outside of this?  I hope so.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Take a look at the first thread which was posted saying bin laden was dead.   There's a lot of dancing hassidim there and a lot of happiness.   You are simply misrepresenting the forum because you get some twisted satisfaction out of telling yourself you are better than us because for you that somehow rationalizes your insanely evil choice to support Obama the Jew-hater and Judea cleanser.

As long as you support evil, you will never find any way to live with yourself, no matter how much you try to convince yourself that we are inferior to you.  Clearly you've already been shown that in terms of intelligence, this forum is where the big boys play.    Now you are hoping for some kind of "moral victory" instead.  Not gonna happen, pal.