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muman613:
edu,

The point for believing that Moshiach is about to come is in order to bring a person to want to merit his coming at this time.

We all know that there are two scenarios, the first is that Moshiach will come because we merit his coming. This is the best option for everyone involved because there will not be much suffering if he comes because we merit it. The other way he can come is if the Jewish people fall so low that unless they are redeemed they will be completely lost. It is said that the redemption from Egypt was the second form of redemption, that the Jewish people had fallen to the 49th level of tumah and if they descended any further they would have been utterly destroyed.

But the prophecies concerning how the world will be when the Moshiach comes do seem to be describing the times today. Only in recent times have the young people been so brazen that they no longer respect their elders. Never has there been so much assimilation amongst the Jewish people.

What will bring Moshiach? Only if we return to Hashem, fulfilling our promise made during Shema that we should love Hashem with all our heart and with all of our soul and with all of our resources. That a Jew should Love and Fear Hashem and walk in his ways. In my opinion it is essential in todays world to always remember that Moshiach could be here if we only do the right thing, perform Hashems mitzvot in this world and elevate this world to understand Hashem.

I remember this Gemara which says that three things come in an unexpected manner...


--- Quote ---http://www.jewishamerica.com/ja/features/arndyr.cfm
The Gomorra Sanhedrin (97a) says the following: "Three things come (/ shall come) in an unexpected manner: Moshiach, finding something valuable, and (the sting of a) scorpion.

The following thoughts come to mind:

Perhaps the three are all related. Some people think of the Messianic Era as being 'free lunch,' like finding something valuable. We'll just sit back take it all in; we'll take it easy.

Other people may tend to think of the Messianic Era as being like the sting of scorpion. The jig will be up. No more fun. One big prison. Maybe he can wait until I pass the CPA exam?

Then there is a third thing - Moshiach.

So far, the free lunch people and the scorpion people are missing the boat. Hope they will hop aboard soon.

It'll be wonderful. We'll be plenty busy. They'll straighten out.
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muman613:
Here is some discussion of the two ways that Moshiach can come:


--- Quote ---http://www.messiahtruth.com/yosef.html
With this we can return to the passage from the Rabbis quoted at the beginning. This passage refers to the principle we have just stated, and is a reference to Moshiach ben Dovid, and the two ways in which HE can come! Before this above passage[18] we find the following passage:

Rabbi Eliezer said, ‘If Israel repents they will be redeemed, and if not they will not be.” Rabbi Yehoshua said to him, “If they don’t repent they will not be redeemed? But the Holy One Blessed is He will raise up for them a King who will make decrees over them like Haman and they will repent and return to the good.”

As Rabbi Saadiah Gaon points out[19] this teaching refers to the wars and disasters that would occur before the coming of Moshiach ben Yosef. But if they do repent then there is no need for all of that. If we look at the Tenach we see two types of prophecies dealing with the end-times period. One tells of wars, like Ezekiel 38 and Zechariah 12. But others are silent, mentioning neither war, nor any other series of events. Based on the Biblical principle we saw from the books of Jonah and Jeremiah, we see that G-d’s message of war is a conditional one that can be mitigated by repentance. This is the message of the Talmud. Let’s see the passages in context. First Daniel 7:
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muman613:
And the desire for Moshiach is even discussed in Rambams 13 principles...

#12 I believe with perfect faith in the coming of the Messiah. How long it takes, I will await His coming every day.

Yaakov Mendel:

--- Quote from: muman613 on June 02, 2011, 07:20:06 PM ---Interesting... That is my only complaint with Rabbi Mizrachi... He does have a tendency to knock others who don't believe like him. For a while I boycotted his videos because he spoke badly of Breslov Chassidim {of which I consider myself a part of}.

But I have found there is something I dislike about every Rabbi I listen to. So I come to the conclusion that the Rabbi is only human, and as such he is liable to say things which are offensive to some people. I try to look past that and hear the good which they are trying to convey in their lecture.



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Interesting to learn that he speaks badly of Breslov Chassidim. This confirms my sentiment. I am not saying that all Breslov Chassidim should be immune from criticism. But I take it that by "speaking badly" you mean something closer to lishon hara than to fair criticism.

Of course Rabbis are only human and, as such, even the most righteous of them have their own shortcomings and weaknesses. But I think there are certain shortcomings that are acceptable and others that are not when you are a Rabbi...
As Rabbi Baal Shem Tov, z''tl, said : "Every spiritual malady has a cure, except for pride".

edu:
Muman613
On the one hand the "We want Mashiach Now" campaign of Chabad has made them more nationalistic and interested in learning Rambam
On the other hand because of the high messianic expectations raised by the campaign, even after the Rebbe died, many in Chabad refused to deal properly with the new reality and instead started to originate
"strange ideologies" to explain the seeming failure of their Mashiach scenario. Are you implying MUMAN613
that the pluses of the Chabad campaign outweigh the minuses?

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