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muman613:
Another issue to consider is Talmud Shabbat 31a which discusses the questions a soul is asked in Olam Haba on the Day of Judgement:


Raba said, When man is led in for Judgment26  he is asked, Did you deal faithfully [i.e., with integrity], did you fix times for learning, did you engage in procreation, did you hope for salvation, did you engage in the dialectics of wisdom, did you understand one thing from another.27  Yet even so, if 'the fear of the Lord is his treasure,' it is well: if not, [it is] not [well]. This may be compared to a man who instructed his agent, 'Take me up a kor of wheat in the loft,' and he went and did so. 'Did you mix in a kab of humton?'28  he asked him, 'No,' replied he. 'Then it were better that you had not carried it up,' he retorted. The School of R. Ishmael taught: A man may mix a kab of humton in a kor of grain, and have no fear.29/
http://halakhah.com/shabbath/shabbath_31.html


http://www.aish.com/jw/s/48883092.html

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It is frightening to think that after so many years of pain and persecution, the Jewish people may be on the brink of true redemption. Who will merit to see this awesome reality? The Talmud teaches:

    Rava said: When they bring a person for judgment, they will ask: "Did you deal faithfully in business? Did you set aside fixed times for Torah? Did you try to have children? Did you anticipate the redemption..."(Shabbat 31a)

This question is not merely theoretical. It will actually determine the quality of each individual's redemptive experience. As Rabbi Yechezkel Levenstein wrote:

    The Exodus from Egypt liberated only one out of five Jews (and some say one out of every 50) because all those who were bound to Egypt and did not want to depart died in the three days of darkness and were not privileged to leave. Only those who desired redemption with all their hearts were redeemed. The Final Redemption, likewise, depends upon our yearning. (Ohr Yechezkel, Emunat HaGeulah)
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edu:
As Muman613 stated
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is one of the questions in the heavenly court that they ask a person, when he dies.
However, I understand this to mean, did you do active preparation for all the new responsibilities and commandments that you will have to start doing, if the previous roadblocks to those activities have been lifted by the salvation. Were you also active yourself, in trying to bring the salvation!

It does not mean let's sit back and do nothing because mashiach is going to come now and solve all the problems without me having to lift a finger.

muman613:

--- Quote from: edu on June 13, 2011, 02:57:05 AM ---As Muman613 stated  is one of the questions in the heavenly court that they ask a person, when he dies.
However, I understand this to mean, did you do active preparation for all the new responsibilities and commandments that you will have to start doing, if the previous roadblocks to those activities have been lifted by the salvation. Were you also active yourself, in trying to bring the salvation!

It does not mean let's sit back and do nothing because mashiach is going to come now and solve all the problems without me having to lift a finger.

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And who ever suggested that?

Yearning for Moshiach does not  mean doing nothing. I dont really undersand why you think it does.

Did anything I post say anything about doing nothing?All Ihave written here says that we must be prepared for Moshiach coming any day.

edu:
Muman613

--- Quote ---Yearning for Moshiach does not  mean doing nothing. I dont really undersand why you think it does.
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When I was back in the USA to visit relatives a while ago during my visit I met up with a Sofer Stam. He told me, I await the day, that Mashiach will come and take me to Israel on the "wings of eagles".
Having been prepared already what to answer back, based on a Shiur or Rabbi Yehuda Kroiser {the english spelling might vary from how he spells it} of Haraayon Hayehudi Yeshiva, I said to him, I'm sure Mashiach won't be upset if you make it easier on him by just taking an airplane to Israel.
This Sofer Stam's attitude was just an example among many, of people who use their anticipation of Mashiach to do Nothing!!

muman613:

--- Quote from: edu on June 13, 2011, 04:46:56 PM ---Muman613When I was back in the USA to visit relatives a while ago during my visit I met up with a Sofer Stam. He told me, I await the day, that Mashiach will come and take me to Israel on the "wings of eagles".
Having been prepared already what to answer back, based on a Shiur or Rabbi Yehuda Kroiser {the english spelling might vary from how he spells it} of Haraayon Hayehudi Yeshiva, I said to him, I'm sure Mashiach won't be upset if you make it easier on him by just taking an airplane to Israel.
This Sofer Stam's attitude was just an example among many, of people who use their anticipation of Mashiach to do Nothing!!

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Shalom,

I hear what you are saying about this sofer... But I think that he may have been making an excuse why he is not making Aliyah.

But the concept 'on the wings of Eagles' is a powerful idea. I have read and learned many concepts which are related to this. You know that the sages discuss two scenarios by which the final redemption can come. The easy way, through the merit of Bnai Yisroel or he can come the hard way, when the Jewish people have fallen so low that they cannot fall any further. The second scenario is the one which the redemption of Mitrayim resembles.

And it is also said that the future redemption will resemble the first redemption. Looking at this world today I am inclined to believe that it is far-fetched to believe that Moshiach will come because Kol Yisroel merits it. The best the remnants of Torah observant Jews can do is to try as hard as we can to fulfill the mitzvot.

And indeed the mitzvot of living in the land should be more important to the Jewish people. But I will not, in this post, go into the reasons I believe this to be the case.

But I agree that it was wrong for this sofer to use this excuse for not making aliyah.

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