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Fitting the 6 days of Creation into current scientific theory

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Kahane-Was-Right BT:
Again, his opinion on shalit has nothing to do with this.  He brings valid sources in his books.

What you are asking me about in Rambam is found in Moreh nevuchim.  And if you read Ramban's commentary on chumash where he stresses that it means days, he is actually arguing on Rambam there (without saying so explicitly).  I am not reinventing the wheel here by claiming this about Rambam, it is well known by those who have read his works (although many have not).  I would have to look it up to find exact locations where he expresses these ideas.

About rambam and aristotle, what Rabbi Slifkin said is correct, I've read that with my own eyes in the Rambam.  He says that if aristotle's opinion (about eternity) was proven by fact he would reinterpret the Torah and that that view could possibly be made to fit with it (based on minority opinions and certain statements in chazal, and because in general the gates of interpretation are never closed).  But it was not proven and was merely theoretical (ie philosophy) and therefore not unassailable.  So there was no need for that.
YOU may not accept fossil evidence, but many people do and many people accept the plethora of coinciding evidence which only upholds the fossil record, which by the way are physical facts not philosophies or conjectures, and for people like that - myself included - the approach of rabbi aviezer and others like him who choose to cast doubt on scientific facts is not an acceptable approach.

I am not familiar w rabbi zamir cohen.

Kahane-Was-Right BT:
Edu, on the one hand you are asking for an approach that fits scientific facts with the creation narrative order, but on the other hand you are saying you disbelieve science.  To each his own, but IMO its a fruitless exercise to try to fit some details that are convenient but then on the other ones that don't fit to say science lied (or whatever).

edu:
Quote from Kahane-Was-Right BT

--- Quote ---Edu, on the one hand you are asking for an approach that fits scientific facts with the creation narrative order, but on the other hand you are saying you disbelieve science.  To each his own, but IMO its a fruitless exercise to try to fit some details that are convenient but then on the other ones that don't fit to say science lied (or whatever).
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Not everything that goes under the name of science has equal weight or credibility. Some scientific facts are strongly supported, while others are educated guesses that can be easily overturned.
But in any case, a major scientist who is an expert in this field has contacted me and said
 
--- Quote ---I will prepare a detailed rebuttal of Rav Slifkin's points and send it to you in a few days.  But let me say now that there is nothing substantive to his criticism.
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He also contends that R. Slifkin is familiar with the rebuttals that can be made against his viewpoint, but does not present them. I will withhold naming the scientist until, I actually get his response, (without vowing).

muman613:
'Science' is not carved in stone. It is the result of theories and experiments and opinions of man. I do not place any trust in Science as science is based on the observation of nature and nature is only one aspect of Hashems influence on this world. Nature is just another miracle through which Hashem exerts his divine providence in this world.

I am one who only trusts science which is verifiable. Sciences such as electrical engineering and computer science {which is actually more art than science} are the kind of science where most of the time experiments are reproducible. But when it comes to relating what happened thousands or millions of years ago I don't trust them any more than I trust the weatherman to tell me the weather next week. Sometimes the weather report is correct but other times it is completely wrong.

I am old enough to have witnesses major changes in scientific understanding and I have no reason to believe that everything so-called 'science' says today will be valid within 20 years.

Those who place faith in science are just as much Idolators as those who place their faith in stone and wood...

Tag-MehirTzedek:

--- Quote from: muman613 on February 13, 2012, 04:31:36 PM ---

Those who place faith in science are just as much Idolators as those who place their faith in stone and wood...

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 I was going to let your post slide, and just say okay because the book is not for everyone. But this last line is wayyy off. Sorry, that is not what the Torah teaches and not how the true Hachamim (for example the Rambam) looked at the world, about knowledge obtained etc. Your comparing observable knowledge and the knowledge obtained through experiments and other such methods to worshiping idols? Idolatry is rooted in foolishness and the imagination, science is rooted in knowledge and whats obtained through the G-D given intellect (Not that science and the current conclusions are perfect, but who's knowledge is? )

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