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muman613:

--- Quote from: Tag-MahirTzedek on February 13, 2012, 04:41:17 PM --- I was going to let your post slide, and just say okay because the book is not for everyone. But this last line is wayyy off. Sorry, that is not what the Torah teaches and not how the true Hachamim (for example the Rambam) looked at the world, about knowledge obtained etc. Your comparing observable knowledge and the knowledge obtained through experiments and other such methods to worshiping idols? Idolatry is rooted in foolishness and the imagination, science is rooted in knowledge and whats obtained through the G-D given intellect (Not that science and the current conclusions are perfect, but who's knowledge is? )

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Science is created by man. Do not put faith in it.

Nature is great to learn the ways of Hashem from. Nature is the way that Hashem interacts with the world. But ultimately all this is is observation and theories which try to fit the observed facts into ideas.

Those who think that Science will provide all the answers are fooling themselves. There are great gaps in understanding and often these gaps are filled with 'bunk science' like the conclusion that global temperature changes are man made. Science is a tool in the hands of the scientists and often it is not for the best for humanity.

If you feel that science answers all your questions you are free to place your trust in it. But I call it foolishness to do so.

muman613:
http://www.askmoses.com/en/article/551,2168255/What-is-the-Jewish-view-on-science.html

--- Quote ---What is the Jewish view on science?
by Rabbi Tzvi Shapiro

Judaism holds science in high esteem.

G-d created a world, and He created humans with the potential to explore it. And today’s science and scientists are maximizing that potential to explore the world in unprecedented ways.

Today’s science has tremendously enhanced the quality of life, as well as the quality of Jewish life.1

There is no question that science currently knows more than we ever knew. There is equally no question science will know even more in twenty years from now. This, in effect, means that much of what science thinks it knows, it really doesn’t know. And Judaism knows that about science too.

So as much as Judaism holds science in high esteem, it also approaches it with a sense of caution.

This doesn’t mean Judaism is dismissive of science. To the contrary, Judaism takes science literally. And since science defines itself as the most probable hypothesis, (which can remain for one hundred years, or be disproved tomorrow), Judaism adheres to that.

Whereas many people get swept away with science as if it were some sort of dogma, blindly believing that its every word and finding is an absolute fact, Judaism remembers that much (if not most) of science is merely theories.

Very intelligent, analytical, and result-producing theories; but theories nonetheless.

Put in the words of the American Heritage Dictionary: "Science: The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena."2

Judaism respects science for what it is: knowledge resulting from timely human achievements. And objective scientists respect Judaism for what it is: knowledge resulting from an eternal Divine mandate.

It is our Divine mandate to utilize our scientific achievements for the purpose of bringing ourselves and this world closer to G-d.

Footnotes

* 1. Scientific findings and inventions have helped in the understanding of certain Torah topics, improved the ability to perform Mitzvot, and advanced the knowledge of and appreciation for G-d. For this very reason, (and perhaps for this reason only) numerous Jewish scholars throughout the ages studied and excelled in the sciences.
* 2. Emphasis added by editor

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Tag-MehirTzedek:

--- Quote from: muman613 on February 13, 2012, 10:13:54 PM ---I also think you misunderstood when I said 'put faith in science'... Anyone who believes that Science will save them as opposed to Hashem will save them are acting just as an Idolator. Science is not something to put 'faith' in... No more than putting 'faith' in nature....

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Why are you putting words unto others? Who ever suggested such a thing? All I was/am saying is that their are different approaches and to those who are interested and can handle it they can go and learn.

muman613:

--- Quote from: Tag-MahirTzedek on February 14, 2012, 05:42:35 PM --- Why are you putting words unto others? Who ever suggested such a thing? All I was/am saying is that their are different approaches and to those who are interested and can handle it they can go and learn.

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My response was not intended for you personally. I am talking about the generic 'you' as those who put 'faith' in science over faith in Hashem...

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