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Zelhar:
--- Quote from: muman613 on April 09, 2012, 04:54:44 PM ---The sages, who have spent their life studying, have passed down the interpretation. No sage ever took that passage literally. This is not an argument...
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It comes from the same chapter of Isiah that is quoted as proof for the resurrection. Isaiah used metaphors.
Oh and here is another question for you about resurrection- who is going to be top dog- David ? Moses ? the Messiah ? Adam ? generic republican ?
Tag-MehirTzedek:
--- Quote from: Zelhar on April 09, 2012, 04:52:30 PM ---Listen guys, when you read the Torah, the prophesies are very clear for example about the inheritance of Eretz Israel as well as punishment and exile for failing to follow the commandments. These phrases one may not believe in but cannot deny their meaning. But all the "proofs" about after life and resurrection stem from much more opaque texts that can be understood allegorically and in different contexts.
Do you take literally the phrase "The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, " seriously ?! Will the Leopard also "lie" with the goat on the other meaning will intermarry and spawn a hybrid ?
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No and neither did the Rambam, yett he wrote explicitly from the Tannach about the ressurection of the dead. I don't have the book in front of me because I borrower it, but read it and see the exact things he brings. Why would he of all people believe in something "irrational" as you put it. What was the point? Anyway their is reward both for the body and the soul. The reward of the soul is bigger but the body also gets its reward (those who are worthy). According to Rambam are ressurected, live a very long time and then go up to the spiritual bliss that awaits the rightious. RambaN I believe if I remember correctly has the ressurection period much longer, maybe forever, but I don't know for sure.
Zelhar:
--- Quote from: Tag-MahirTzedek on April 09, 2012, 05:05:36 PM --- No and neither did the Rambam, yett he wrote explicitly from the Tannach about the ressurection of the dead. I don't have the book in front of me because I borrower it, but read it and see the exact things he brings. Why would he of all people believe in something "irrational" as you put it. What was the point? Anyway their is reward both for the body and the soul. The reward of the soul is bigger but the body also gets its reward (those who are worthy). According to Rambam are ressurected, live a very long time and then go up to the spiritual bliss that awaits the rightious. RambaN I believe if I remember correctly has the ressurection period much longer, maybe forever, but I don't know for sure.
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He could say that he believed in resurrection based on the texts, but it bothers me that he ruled categorically that every Jew must accept that version as an axiom or else be heretic. And I am not sure anyone before him said so. If resurrection is such an important principle that denying it means karet, how comes Moses never warned the Israelites, nor Joshua nor David, nor even the prophets Isiaiah and Daniel who supposedly spoked about resurrection, none of them said "beware. if you deny this, you are going to hell !".
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: muman613 on April 08, 2012, 11:28:48 PM ---
I don't know what a Rambamist is? Is that something someone made up? I just spent all weekend with one of my favorite Chabad Rabbis who revealed he studies Rambam every day. Does this make him a Rambamist?
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. No and no.
muman613:
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on April 09, 2012, 07:06:02 PM ---. No and no.
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Chabad studies Rambam more than most...
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