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muman613:
--- Quote from: Tag-MahirTzedek on May 16, 2012, 02:50:01 PM --- I'll give one example that this type of thinking produces. Their are people who for example have problems at home. Shalom Bayit issues. Instead of working on themselves as the Torah and the sages say to do they almost blame it on the Mezuzoth. Anything but them. Their are people who actually believe that checking the Mezuzot where they can possibly be not kosher (with an error) is the cause of their problems at home. The Torah says otherwise. No, not having a non-kosher Mezuzah wont cause marriage problems, BUT having a temper, or not being kind to your spouse probably will.
By the way this is also similar to what I heard someone once say- that the terrorism in Israel is caused because of "a lack of modesty". of-course we are against women dressing improperly, BUT each thing, Mitzwah or Avera has its own affects. Their is absolutly no connection. Its the irrationality of some to make such rediculous claims thats actually stopping the creation and upholding of a true Torah based, safe and prosperous Jewish society. Rav Kahane ZTL HYD did say why their was and is terrorism- its simple- we have Arab Nazis in the land who wish for our destruction. The Torah says to drive them out of the land. Thats the real, rational connection as is seen. BUT NOooo, for some this can't be the reason. It is too simple. They would rather be told that its the immodest lady on the street which is the cause of their problems. Or the Mezuza anyone but themselves.
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The protection of the mezuzah comes because it increases the awareness of Hashem in the world. Do you wear TzitTzits? Do you know why you wear them? It is so that we can see them, and remember all the 613 commandments of the Torah.
You give examples of people blaming the mezuzah. This has nothing to do with whether or not there is protection from harm because of keeping the commandments of Mezuzah. I have posted several good pieces which explains how the protection from evil occurs because of the mezuzah. People kiss the mezuzah upon entering and leaving the home, and thus through this ritual act remember that this home is protected.
And I do believe that the Talmud and Mishnah suggest that there is protection on Jewish homes by the Mezuzah.
Tag-MehirTzedek:
--- Quote from: muman613 on May 16, 2012, 03:01:46 PM ---The protection of the mezuzah comes because it increases the awareness of Hashem in the world. Do you wear TzitTzits? Do you know why you wear them? It is so that we can see them, and remember all the 613 commandments of the Torah.
People kiss the mezuzah upon entering and leaving the home, and thus through this ritual act remember that this home is protected.
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You just flipped what I said and are now saying the same thing (well partly).
- Again we kiss the Mezuza not to remember that the home is protected, but to remember G-D, His commandments and that the home should be a place of G-D and fit for G-D's "Presence" soo to speak to dwell within the house.
Also are you telling me that their aren't homes which have Mezuzoth that don't have fires? Or have robberies? I had my home robbed before and our Mezuzot are kosher. (I just brought my house as an example soo perhaps you can't then say that perhaps their Mezuzot were not kosher, but their are plenty of Jewish homes that had this as well). If this is a protection then what happened? Did the powers you ascribe to the Mezuza go on strike at the time or something?
Another similar thing is by Channukah with the candles. Some people (and thank g-D some are speaking out about this) said and say that don't worry, your doing a Mitzwah nothing bad can happen. BUT bad things DID happen and its not G-D to blame for this but human carelessness. Their were fires and unfortunatly people including children have died because of such attitudes.
muman613:
--- Quote from: Tag-MahirTzedek on May 16, 2012, 03:28:27 PM ---
You just flipped what I said and are now saying the same thing (well partly).
- Again we kiss the Mezuza not to remember that the home is protected, but to remember G-D, His commandments and that the home should be a place of G-D and fit for G-D's "Presence" soo to speak to dwell within the house.
Also are you telling me that their aren't homes which have Mezuzoth that don't have fires? Or have robberies? I had my home robbed before and our Mezuzot are kosher. (I just brought my house as an example soo perhaps you can't then say that perhaps their Mezuzot were not kosher, but their are plenty of Jewish homes that had this as well). If this is a protection then what happened? Did the powers you ascribe to the Mezuza go on strike at the time or something?
Another similar thing is by Channukah with the candles. Some people (and thank g-D some are speaking out about this) said and say that don't worry, your doing a Mitzwah nothing bad can happen. BUT bad things DID happen and its not G-D to blame for this but human carelessness. Their were fires and unfortunatly people including children have died because of such attitudes.
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No, I have brought several sources which touched on the way that the protection is provided. I will not requote them but look at the sections I quoted and see that the point is fulfilling the commandment, and doing so in a way which we can relate to by seeing or feeling {as in touching and kissing the mezuzah, or seeing the fringes of the tzittzits}.
And certainly doing foolish things will cause catstrophe, no mezuzah will prevent fires or other things. But basically keeping the mitzvot in this way does have protective attributes.
Here is a link with stories about how the Mezuzah acted to protect Jews:
http://www.campsci.com/mezuzah/mzpart1.htm
And one more explanation of Mezuzah :
http://www.campsci.com/mezuzah/#tohgm
--- Quote ---BUT FIRST A SHORT INTRODUCTION
Let's take a look into the Mechilta in Parshas Bo on the posuk : v'lo yuvo.. , and I translate (briefly): If the blood that was put on one's doorpost in Egypt had the power to keep the mashchis out of the house, how much more so is the power of the Mezuzah which has the name of Hashem mentioned ten times.
Clearly, the Mechilta states that a Mezuzah carries with it the power of protection against outside invaders.
Now let's take a look into the Gemarah Mesechta Menachos 33:
"It is a mitzvah to put the Mezuzah within a tefach (4 inches) of the street so that the entirety of the house will be watched..(The entire house is protected from dangers - Rashi.)
"Said Rabbi Hanina: Come see, the ways of the Holy One, Blessed Be He, are not the way of man. The way of man is that the king sits inside while his servants protect him on the outside; but the ways of Hashem are not thu; His servants sit inside while He guards them outside, as it is written: `G-d is your Protector, G-d is the Savior of your right arm, G-d will watch your comings and goings from now and forevermore".
Here, again, we clearly see that a Mezuzah has the great power of protection.
Here's another amazing Gemarah in Mesechta Shabbos 32:
"For the sin of not honoring the Mezuzah, a man's son and daughters die when they are young, as it is written, `And you shall write them for Mezuzos upon your house.' And afterwards it is written `So that your days may be lengthened" etc.
From here we see that negligence in the mitzvah of Mezuzah can be the cause for terrible catastrophes chas v'sholom. On the other hand, one who is very careful in this mitzvah is assured of a long life, as it says lima'an yirbu yimaychem...
The Yerushalmi in Mesechta Pe'ah (Perek 1) tells an interesting story: Artvon (who was the king of Persia) sent R' Yehuda HaNasi a most expensive stone with the request that he send him back something of equal value. Whereby, R' Yehuda HaNasi wrote a Mezuzah and sent it to him in return. When Artvon received the Mezuzah he was perplexed, and said, "I sent you something of great value, and you send me a cheap piece of parchment in return." R' Yehuda HaNasi answered, "You sent me something for which I will have to hire a watchman to protect it, whereby I sent you something that will offer you protection."
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Tag-MehirTzedek:
--- Quote from: muman613 on May 16, 2012, 03:37:58 PM ---
And certainly doing foolish things will cause catstrophe, no mezuzah will prevent fires or other things. But basically keeping the mitzvot in this way does have protective attributes.
Here is a link with stories about how the Mezuzah acted to protect Jews:
http://www.campsci.com/mezuzah/mzpart1.htm
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You are saying contradictory things.
And I briefed that site here is one story
One night, the father went to his Rebbe and poured out his heart. It was filled with fear and worry. The Rebbe advised him to have his Mezuzos checked at once. The very next day he took off all his Mezuzos and brought them to an expert sofer. This is the Mezuzah that was on his little Yossi's door.
Yossi's father immediately ran to buy a good Mezuzah and put it on the door. Imagine his great joy, when two days later his son began to talk. Just a coincidence, you say?
Perhaps not a coincidence, but something entirely made up?
Or this one HIS HOUSE WAS ROBBED TWICE
When Mr. L.W.'s house was robbed for the second time he decided to have his Mezuzos checked. The Mezuza he had affixed to his front door appears below. A quick glance at it and you will see at once why it offered no protection.
When I told this story to Rabbi David Shiinborsky, an expert sofer himself, he was quick to tell me that the very same thing happened to him. His story goes as follows:
"When I rented my second-floor office on 13th Avenue and 48th St. I had a robbery the very first Shabbos, I immediately put in an alarm system, gates on the windows and, of course - being a sofer -I also checked the Mezuzos but found nothing wrong. The previous owners told me that they had also had a series of robberies at the store. Unfortunately, the next week my office was broken into again, and this time the thieves even broke the alarm box. I then realized that in my haste to check the Mezuzos I had forgotten to check the very outside door. Sure enough, when I now checked that one I found it was posul. I replaced it at once. Boruch Hashem, more than a year has passed, and we've had no more break-ins." Here is the Mezuzah.
- Will you tell me that houses get robbed because the Mezuzot are passul? Even if this story did happen what about the houses that have kosher Mezuzot and get robbed? Perhaps statistically you can get such stories to take place, but you can't ignore reality. And by the way this is a type of stuff that can pass to children and those who think that way. These are not proofs rooted in reality or Chazal.
muman613:
I feel the protection of the mezuzah and other ritual items I am involved with {Tefillin & TzitTzits}. I have no reason to disbelieve the Talmud concerning this protection. Im sorry if your house was broken into despite the mezuzah, in my own experience my house has been protected since I affixed the mezuzah. Before I did so I was robbed once, but it has been over 10 years since, and I believe it is due to my observance of the miztzvot.
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