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Tag-MehirTzedek:
Muman I would like you to address this point especially with the part of Rav Kahane vs. the "mystics" and those who for example blame terrorism on immodesty. Who would we agree with? People like Rav Kahane who say and dealt with the real world or those who don't want to deal with it and divert the blame and the solution unot things completly having nothing to do with the situation. And our point is its precisly these attitudes and culture that has (partly) produced the incompetence of the Jewish world in not being able to deal with our problems (for example Arab terrorism). - An additional thing I can add is those who preach "reincarnation" in trying to explain why bad sh^t happens. That little boy that died he was really a reincarnated soul that had to die (this is a type of answer given, and in fact this is what a speaker told a mother who had a child die once)
http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,61383.msg545389.html#msg545389
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4. This outrageous phenomenon is not as surprising as it may at first seem. Shabtai Ssvi’s followers were known as “Zoharisten”, an allusion to the fact that they, like their leader and demigod, were heavily influenced by the Zohar. Lubavitch Hasidism is rooted in a literalistic reading of the Zohar and Lurianic Qabala, which when uncritically combined with the radical and pernicious notions spawned by the speculative school of Hasidic thought founded by the Magid of Mezritch, could only have led to the present heretical state of affairs.
5. This, I believe, is why the Gr’a z’l (the Vilna Gaon) refused to meet with the original Lubavitcher rebbe even when the latter came to Vilna to convince him to rescind the herem (religious ban) the Gr’a had signed against Lubavitch and similar movements. In his great and profound wisdom the Gr’a saw that these Jews had crossed the point of no return. The Gr’a was able to be “HaRo’e eth haNoladh (One who sees that which is yet to come)” (see Avoth 2:12 or 2:9).
http://machonshilo.org/en/eng/list-ask-the-rav/31-general/424-the-false-mashiah-of-lubavitch-habad
muman613:
--- Quote from: Tag-MahirTzedek on May 16, 2012, 04:16:08 PM ---Muman I would like you to address this point especially with the part of Rav Kahane vs. the "mystics" and those who for example blame terrorism on immodesty. Who would we agree with? People like Rav Kahane who say and dealt with the real world or those who don't want to deal with it and divert the blame and the solution unot things completly having nothing to do with the situation. And our point is its precisly these attitudes and culture that has (partly) produced the incompetence of the Jewish world in not being able to deal with our problems (for example Arab terrorism). - An additional thing I can add is those who preach "reincarnation" in trying to explain why bad sh^t happens. That little boy that died he was really a reincarnated soul that had to die (this is a type of answer given, and in fact this is what a speaker told a mother who had a child die once)
http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,61383.msg545389.html#msg545389
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It is my understanding that we have to do our part in this world and not rely on miracles. The problem with the terrorists is due to our not protecting our interests and our heritage in the way we should do so. But I also am of the belief that bad things happen as a result of things which we do which are not according to the will of Hashem. This is why Chazal look for alternative answers as to why such things happen. This is expressed in the story of Purim when the evil decree was blamed on the fact that the Jewish people were willing to party with the evil king and Haman, using the Holy vessels of the Temple. There is also the wisdom that the Second Temple was destroyed because of 'Baseless Hatred' {Talmud Yoma 9b}.
Divine Providence is beyond our comprehension. Why bad things happen to good people is one of those things which we mortals will apparently never be able to grasp. In my own life it is a nagging question why my brother was among the 3000 killed in the 9/11 attacks. I would have never dreamed this would happen, and especially to my own family.
My brother was the 'good son' in our family while I was shaping up to be the 'bad son'. My brother took care of my parents financially and visited my mother regularly. Apparently according to the Torah he should have been rewarded with a long life {one of the promises for keeping the command to give Kavod to parents}. But upon closer inspection I could find things about his honoring which fell short of complete honor {for instance his respect for our father was not what it should have been}. My brother probrobly never affixed a mezuzah nor did he ever wear tzittzits or tefillin. Any one of these could be reasons why he was taken from us in this world.
I know that my personal experience is that divine providence is protecting me. Since my Teshuva I have felt this and have witnessed miracles which have saved my life...
muman613:
--- Quote from: Tag-MahirTzedek on May 16, 2012, 04:35:10 PM ---Connected to this topic
4. This outrageous phenomenon is not as surprising as it may at first seem. Shabtai Ssvi’s followers were known as “Zoharisten”, an allusion to the fact that they, like their leader and demigod, were heavily influenced by the Zohar. Lubavitch Hasidism is rooted in a literalistic reading of the Zohar and Lurianic Qabala, which when uncritically combined with the radical and pernicious notions spawned by the speculative school of Hasidic thought founded by the Magid of Mezritch, could only have led to the present heretical state of affairs.
5. This, I believe, is why the Gr’a z’l (the Vilna Gaon) refused to meet with the original Lubavitcher rebbe even when the latter came to Vilna to convince him to rescind the herem (religious ban) the Gr’a had signed against Lubavitch and similar movements. In his great and profound wisdom the Gr’a saw that these Jews had crossed the point of no return. The Gr’a was able to be “HaRo’e eth haNoladh (One who sees that which is yet to come)” (see Avoth 2:12 or 2:9).
http://machonshilo.org/en/eng/list-ask-the-rav/31-general/424-the-false-mashiah-of-lubavitch-habad
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More slander against Chabad and Chassidim in general. I knew there were issues with this guy.... You can have him but I place no trust in anything this guy says.... It is obvious he is one who lacks a Jewish soul and engages in Slander regularly.
And it has been discussed many times that Chabad does not believe that Rebbe was Moshiach. This is pure slander on the part of a small man...
muman613:
The traits of a Jewish soul:
http://ohr.edu/3194
Yevamot 79a
"There are three characteristics which distinguish the Jewish People — they are merciful, they are bashful and they are performers of acts of kindness."
This is how King David described his people to the Givonites who demanded the execution of seven sons of King Saul as revenge for their suffering at his hand.
"Only one who has these three characteristics," he concluded, "is fit to attach himself to our people."
Since the unreasonable demand of the Givonites demonstrated that they lacked these characteristics, David ruled that they would have the special status of netinim and would be limited in their marriage eligibility within the Jewish People.
Although the impression gained here is that all these characteristics are in the “genes” of the Jews, it is pointed out by Maharsha that this is not the case. It is true that G-d testified that the Patriarch Avraham would pass on to his posterity a legacy of lovingkindness (Bereishet 18:19) but the other attributes were unique gifts of G-d to His chosen people. "He will endow you with a capacity for being merciful" (Devarim 13.18) was a special gift from G-d, as was the bashfulness that came along with the gift of Torah (Shmot 20:17).
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