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Tag-MehirTzedek:
--- Quote from: muman613 on May 16, 2012, 04:39:30 PM ---More slander against Chabad and Chassidim in general. I knew there were issues with this guy.... You can have him but I place no trust in anything this guy says.... It is obvious he is one who lacks a Jewish soul and engages in Slander regularly.
And it has been discussed many times that Chabad does not believe that Rebbe was Moshiach. This is pure slander on the part of a small man...
--- End quote ---
Why? Why can't you answer things and just call things that you disagree with as slander and lashon hara?
What is untrue of the facts? For example the Vilna Gaon put them into Herem? Did that not happen?
(I just read the rest - what you modified) and your the one engaging against slandering Rav Bar-Hayim Shlitta. Your doing the things your accusing him of doing.
Your going to tell me that their aren't chabadniks who don't believe in this? Have you heard about 770 and what goes on there? Do you want me to open a new topic or just post here?
Tag-MehirTzedek:
Something that was posted
"I just got home from a Chabad wedding in Bnei Brak. Yuck!
It seems that the "meshichistiyut" has gotten REALLY out of hand. The chuppah began with the reading of a letter "from the Rebbe", AS IF it were addressed to the couple! Then ther was a video (really, a photo slide show w/sound track) of the late Rebbe's wedding, followed by a speech he made at someone else's wedding before he died. All this is strange, but it's just make-believe; if they want to pretend some advice given by one person to another is also meant for them, so what? But the next thing was over the top!
The chasson shouted "Yechi adoneinu v'moreinu...," etc. 3 times, and each time the crowd shouted "Amen!" Several of my friends and myself covered our ears and turned our backs from such a feeling of avodah zarah....
The singing and dancing was disturbing, too. Seems they've put their dead Rebbe into many (if not all) of the songs, so instead of "David, Melech Yisrael, Chai, Chai...." for example, it was "Adoneinu v'Morenu, Melech Yisrael, Chai, Chai...." Other songs were similarly mutilated. And the flag dancing with those yellow melech hamoshiach flags looked more like something out of Southeast Asia than anything I'd seen before at a Jewish wedding."
also on Israel613.com
Go to the section on Chabad Lubavitch. You will see posters, video's and letters of this mess.
Tag-MehirTzedek:
This is kinda funny (yett sad)
THE TRIAL OF THE THIRD MILLENIUM:
JE--S OF NAZARETH vs. THE REBBE
JUDICIAL COURT OF GEHINOMM
PATENTS SECTION
CASE OF THE DEAD MESSIAH
JE--- [ACCUSER]
VS
REBBE [DEFENDANT]
THE ACCUSER [JE--S] CLAIMS THAT DEFENDANT [THE REBBE] HAS BEEN STEALING HIS IDEAS IN THE FOLLOWING MANNER:
- THE REBBE AND HIS FOLLOWERS CLAIM THAT THE REBBE IS THE MESSIAH EVEN THOUGH HE PASSED AWAY YEARS AGO. IT HAS BEEN KNOWN TO EVERYONE THAT FOR THE PAST 2000 YEARS THE EXCLUSIVITY OF THE DEAD MESSIAH CONCEPT BELONGS TO JE--S AND HIS FOLLOWERS.
- MOREOVER ACCUSER CLAIMS THAT THE FOLLOWERS OF THE REBBE ASSIGN HIM DIVINE STATUS SAYING THAT HE IS THE ESSENCE OF G-D AND IT IS KNOWN TO ALL THAT THIS CONCEPT OF DIVINITY BELONGS TO JE--S AND HIS FOLLOWERS, JE--S BEING THE SON OF G-D.
- ACCUSER CLAIMS THAT THE REBBE HAS STOLEN FROM HIM THE PRACTICE OF PLACING HIS PICTURE EVERYWHERE BOTH WITHIN AND OUTSIDE THE CHURCHES.
- THE ACCUSER CLAIMS THAT WITH THESE THEFTS THE FOLLOWERS OF THE REBBE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GROW THEIR CHABAD HOUSES SO RAPIDLY [THERE ARE CURRENTLY 4.000] THAT WITHIN 50 YEARS THERE WILL BE MORE CHABAD HOUSES THAN CHRISTIAN CHURCHES IN THE WORLD.
- ACCUSER CLAIMS THAT THE FOLLOWERS OF THE REBBE EXPECT HIS SECOND COMING IN ORDER TO COMPLETE HIS MISSION AS MESSIAH. THIS IDEA HAS ALSO BEEN STOLEN FROM JE--S AND HIS FOLLOWERS.
WHAT THE ACCUSER REQUESTS:
- THE ACCUSER ALSO REQUESTS AN IMMEDIATE INJUNCTION TO STOP ALL THE FOLLOWERS OF THE REBBE FROM CLINGING ANY DIVINITY TO THE REBBE.
- ACCUSER REQUESTS THAT FOLLOWERS OF THE REBBE STOP SINGING YECHI ADONEINU MELECH HA MOSHIACH IMMEDIATELY.
Israel613.com
Tag-MehirTzedek:
Muman (and those interested) look at this live video from Chabad themselves.
Notice for example the banner on the wall. (when the camera gets to there) Take a look at the "new Beit Hamikdash" located in Brooklyn NY.
http://770live.com/En770/770live.asp?lang=1
muman613:
--- Quote from: Tag-MahirTzedek on May 16, 2012, 04:57:53 PM ---Something that was posted
"I just got home from a Chabad wedding in Bnei Brak. Yuck!
It seems that the "meshichistiyut" has gotten REALLY out of hand. The chuppah began with the reading of a letter "from the Rebbe", AS IF it were addressed to the couple! Then ther was a video (really, a photo slide show w/sound track) of the late Rebbe's wedding, followed by a speech he made at someone else's wedding before he died. All this is strange, but it's just make-believe; if they want to pretend some advice given by one person to another is also meant for them, so what? But the next thing was over the top!
The chasson shouted "Yechi adoneinu v'moreinu...," etc. 3 times, and each time the crowd shouted "Amen!" Several of my friends and myself covered our ears and turned our backs from such a feeling of avodah zarah....
The singing and dancing was disturbing, too. Seems they've put their dead Rebbe into many (if not all) of the songs, so instead of "David, Melech Yisrael, Chai, Chai...." for example, it was "Adoneinu v'Morenu, Melech Yisrael, Chai, Chai...." Other songs were similarly mutilated. And the flag dancing with those yellow melech hamoshiach flags looked more like something out of Southeast Asia than anything I'd seen before at a Jewish wedding."
also on Israel613.com
Go to the section on Chabad Lubavitch. You will see posters, video's and letters of this mess.
--- End quote ---
I have said I am aware that there are those who are doing this. But this is not condoned by the Main Chabad organization. I know personally several Chabad Rabbis and have discussed this very issue with them.
I am satisfied that the Organization does not push this belief as can be seen by any Chabad website. I have never seen any suggestion that Rebbe was Moshiach on Chabad.org nor any local Chabad affiliate {here in the California area}.
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