In Jewish marraige, sex isn't just for procreation. It is a wife's right to receive pleasure. Therefore sex between husband and wife can include certain types of contraception.
Secondly, a Jewish woman is not supposed to consummate marriage when she is going through her period or Niddah. She would need to sometimes take the pill for proper timing.
Thirdly, timing isn't everything. It's not simple in many women. My wife got pregnant when we weren't timing and wouldn't get pregnant when we were timing.
Fourthly, onen was one of Judah's sons. He would withdraw everytime his wife wanted him to make kids. Gd punished him with death for spilling his seed or masturbating. It may seem that this would make your argument. However if a husband and wife to stay in accordance to Torah law but dont want another child yet, and timing isn't full proof (and if you were married and older and more mature) you would understand how wrong your point of view is), the wife would have to use the pill.
Fifthly, for a woman to give birth consecutive years is not healthy for her.
Sixthly, the use of contraception is not abortion. That is an insane remark that would only be valid to extreme nutjobs who have no experience in real life. This is a view a deprived man would feel so that he doesn't feel bad about himself not being able to find a girlfriend, but nevermind that.
As far as the story of Adam and eve and free will. I have free will to murder or steal. But I know its wrong. So I choose the opposite. I know sex outside of marriage is wrong so I find my soulmate and marry her. I teach my children to do the right thing. I limit the tv shows they can watch I make sure they have the right friends. At that point they have the education to make proper decisions. They have free will too.
Truthfully, this thought of yours is one of a result of depravity and not morality imo
What kind of depravity are we talking about here?
There are machines that will keep very young fetuses alive, and until you've watched a video of an abortion, you don't understand that it doesn't compare to anything in terms of cruelty.
I've seen abortion on video. Yes, abortion is cruel, but note what I noted "in that...".
Your premise for the abolition of contraception is misguided, but fundamentally correct. Your method is not. Ban it, and every Chinese businessman will jump on a boat-load of condoms and bring it here.
Yes, the fact that there will probably be cartels, gangs, etc. for contraceptive use if it's banned...but that doesn't legitimize its use.
It was brought up that pre-marital sex is the only problematic area in terms of contraceptive use. You therefore propose we tyrannize the youth even more, and give them death for following the path we've carved to rebellion. Not very insightful, buddy.
Yes, the possibility also exists the youth will rebel. But I think the worst "rebellion" we can get would be just a bit worse than Woodstock.
The way to change this problem is to change the society, and the way to do that is the slow process of changing others, and the quickest way to do that is to change yourself. Promote the right way, be a loving person and show others your boundaries, and you will make a difference, although you will never succeed completely for any society until the messiah comes. Also, you have absolutely no chance of success as an agnostic, because you are then doing this for honor, and in a weak moment you will surely reach out to what you oppose. You can not do this for honor, because that is not a constant, G-d is. I'm not going to preach to anyone, but if you want to keep up these ideals, know where they come from and believe it, if you indeed are called to follow it.
Society will have to change. I believe that the quickest way to change is to ban contraception, because contraception is what caused morals to break down.
As a 15 year old in what I am assuming is the states, he is likely exposed daily and encouraged to try all manner of birth control, even in school. This I disagree with, I don't want my fifteen year old daughter to have to have a conversation with me about her teacher's studded condom preference, and the first rule of marketing is that a more a product is advertised, the more it is bought, so yes, ban propagating kids with things like "safe sex", (which is the ultimate in liberal Orwellian terms, considering you don't know the person well enough to ensure they're not diseased (and by that logic, also an axe murderer), you don't trust the person enough to have a kid with them (which follows, don't love them or trust them to take care of you), you are too young to care for a kid (and also likely too young not to get yourself into all manner of trouble when left to your own vices), or you are too poor, which isn't any excuse for not having kids, but you certainly should focus on G-d's first commandment to man before the second one.) and lots of other crap they feed kids in the schools, but computer gaming destroys as many lives as contraceptives, though tyrannizing it would make it worse for the abusers, and would be unfair to those that use it in accordance with G-dly law, as with contraceptives.
I am indeed a fiffteen year old in America. I am in Catholic school, so I get all of the bad things about contraception and good things about abstaining, but it seems that the other kids don't listen to that, because every few days some guy(s) will begin asking me about my sex life and I'll be like "I'm waiting until marriage to have sex." and they'll be completely dumbfounded. I'd also like to add that those kids don't listen in classes and instead listen to what the kids from the public schools say, leading to them also developing immoral lifestyles.
Ban propagating safe sex, indeed. In fact, look lower in my post to see the process of prohibition of contraception.
However, I cannot comment on computer gaming damaging lives due to a personal bias: I'm trying to start a video game company.
My gut tells me you're a s*** disturber trying to make this site absurd, though I'll take your word that you're a kid trying to learn for now, but seriously think about what you say when before you post, unless you're good at not thinking (still probably bad), and think about what others respond to you; don't make people waste words that are doing you a favor.
I said that I'm a kid trying to learn? Learn what? o.O
Oh, this topic was to see if I could get a good debate going, and to see how JTF would respond to a topic of this nature.
Meanwhile, I've come up with a process for banning contraceptives:
1. Withdraw contraceptive education from schools, preach abstinence. (of course)
2. Force state and local governments to stop giving out condoms.
3. Enforce massive regulations on condom and birth control pill manufacturers.
4. Skyrocket the cost of condoms and birth control pills.
5. Continue for awhile until no one is using condoms or birth control.
6. Eventually, ban contraceptives.
Does that make a bit more sense?
Oh! I forgot this last post to quote...
The thought process here sounds like a 15 yr old who is jealous that he isn't in the in crowd and is taking an opposing view so he can feel better about himself.
A child and fetus are not commodities. They are people. And once you have a pregnant wife or become a father as a result of a healthy marriage, you will not only understand the value of life, you will become vehemently pro life and anti death. But if you are a teenager and just throw ridiculous arguments for this and against that, you will suffer until you give in to the real truths which aren't necessarily extremes in either end.
To this 15 yr old..loosen up. Forget the popular crowd. Go study and get good grades. Exercise and play sports. Get into college. Live a little and by a little I don't mean premarital sex and drugs. Get a profession, find your soul mate and get married with kids.
Single people will risk their lives for an ideal. But a father will risk his life for his children for the ideals. To me, a father makes a better fighter if he loves his kids.
I'm not jealous, not at all.
At the last three lines, yeah I'm trying to make a business, I have a girlfriend, and I won't get married and have kids at fifteen years old. I'm waiting until I'm about 20 for that. Lawl, I'm completely un-athletic. XD But yeah, okay, whateeever you say.
And at the paragraph with "A child and fetus are not commodities."...I did not say that they are. Maybe you are correct, but for now, I do believe myself to be correct.
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