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muman613:
--- Quote from: Tag-MehirTzedek on June 06, 2012, 12:42:38 AM --- You can check almost every Chassidic group for starters. And Chabad is the best example of this (the Messianism of Chabad and clinging to their "Rebbe").
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This is completely false..
I know that Chabad studies Rambam, there is a daily Rambam class which Chabad offers. Over Shavuot all night we studied Rambams Sefer HaMitzvot.
Chabad also teaches other Rabbis including Rabbi Nachman of Breslov.. If you would like me to list all the Rabbis which Chabad includes in their discussions I could probrobly find a list of them.
This is the kind of slander I am talking about. I know six Chabad Rabbis and not a single one of them believes Rebbe was Moshiach, and they sure don't teach this.
Tag-MehirTzedek:
"I said what the issue to me was... He is always speaking derogatorily of other streams of Judaism, either Chassidus, or now Rambamist.... Even if he were 100% right in what he said I would reject his findings based on his approach, trying to prove that he is right and everyone else is wrong.
There is a way a good Rabbi can present his findings without saying things to insult other Jews. "
- A scholar is supposed to show his findings and his points. If him saying that a Kzait is what it is- "Like an olive size" and not 30 grams offends you for him simply stating the obvious, then the problem is not him but its you yourself and your logic. What is he supposed to say? Is he suppoed to withhold halahic information because of fear of offending others?
And I don't see him saying things to insult other Jews. Their are things he brought up because they need to be brought up because of the dangers such beliefs pose including Chabad Messianism. This objection of yours would be like you telling a Rabbi during (after) the time of Jesus not to prove the teachings of Jesus and the disciples wrong since it might offend some. Maybe truthful but the language is just too- truthful.
muman613:
Tag,
Also I am not trying to defame this Rabbi. I know Jews of all kinds and it does no good for the Jewish people to create divisions. Virtually everything I have seen written by Rav BarChayim posted here has included derogatory statements about those who don't follow his beliefs. This is not necessary to make the point he is trying to make. If he had the right approach, according to my understanding, he could present his findings in a way without having to say others are wrong, the reader should be able to see the truth in what he wrote. To have to prove it to the point of saying that others are wrong is the approach which I don't agree with.
muman613:
--- Quote from: Tag-MehirTzedek on June 06, 2012, 12:52:46 AM ---"I said what the issue to me was... He is always speaking derogatorily of other streams of Judaism, either Chassidus, or now Rambamist.... Even if he were 100% right in what he said I would reject his findings based on his approach, trying to prove that he is right and everyone else is wrong.
There is a way a good Rabbi can present his findings without saying things to insult other Jews. "
- A scholar is supposed to show his findings and his points. If him saying that a Kzait is what it is- "Like an olive size" and not 30 grams offends you for him simply stating the obvious, then the problem is not him but its you yourself and your logic. What is he supposed to say? Is he suppoed to withhold halahic information because of fear of offending others?
And I don't see him saying things to insult other Jews. Their are things he brought up because they need to be brought up because of the dangers such beliefs pose including Chabad Messianism. This objection of yours would be like you telling a Rabbi during (after) the time of Jesus not to prove the teachings of Jesus and the disciples wrong since it might offend some. Maybe truthful but the language is just too- truthful.
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I know Chabad and they don't believe that the Rebbe was Moshiach. This is pure slander of a great organization. I will defend Chabad because I know the truth {from observation}. I reject any strain of Jewish belief which believes that Moshiach has come when it is clear that he has not.
I know six Chabad Rabbis locally and NOT ONE believes in Rebbe as Moshiach. And all those who I ask about it say it is a fringe group which believes this.
Tag-MehirTzedek:
--- Quote from: muman613 on June 06, 2012, 12:55:02 AM --- To have to prove it to the point of saying that others are wrong is the approach which I don't agree with.
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Dude you youself said and are saying that he is wrong for saying that others are wrong. Soo your dong what you accuse him of doing and you not liking him for it. :o
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