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ONE MILLION Haredim planning to march against a Torah command!
Dr. Dan:
Chaim, but I have a question. You bring up a good point about today's IDF. But if it were the dignified type of IDF, what would your opinion be?
--- Quote from: Chaim Ben Pesach on July 17, 2012, 08:39:02 AM ---בס''ד
The Israeli army is the number one tool used by Israel's Bolshevik establishment for mass expulsions of Jews from their G-d given homeland.
The Israeli army systematically brainwashes huge numbers of soldiers to "understand" the Arab Nazi enemy (whom the army calls "Palestinians"). The army has a special brainwashing program against "racism" and to create "understanding" about Islam.
The Israeli army murders many Jewish soldiers by ordering them not to defend themselves properly so as not to harm Arab Nazi "civilians".
The Israeli army arms, trains and finances the PLO-Fatah terrorist mass murderers who use the weapons, training and money they receive to massacre Jews.
The Israeli army runs a radio station that is as treasonous and leftwing as "Peace Now" or any other anti-Zionist organization.
The Israeli army has generals and heads of their "intelligence" unit who continuously issue public reports telling Israeli Jews that the Arab Nazi mass murderers want "peace". During Oslo, the generals were constantly explaining how the Arab Hitler Yasser Arafat was now Israel's "peace partner".
If I were to list all of the crimes of this so-called army, I would have to write volumes.
Religious Jews who do not want to serve in this army are not committing any sin whatsoever. When our great leader HaRav Meir Kahane זצוק''ל הי''ד served in the army, it was a completely different time (pre-Oslo, pre-Gush Katif). And Rabbi Kahane made it clear even then that soldiers are obligated to disobey orders to expel their fellow Jews from the land of Israel.
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Yerusha:
If you're put in the wrong Zahal unit you can lose everything.
I know a 20 year old Lubavitcher from Boston who volunteered for Zahal last year. After just 3 months in the army in a wrong unit, having been exposed to drunken Ukrainian goyim, secular gay soldiers, sluttish girl soldiers, anti-Zionist Bedouin, Circassian and Druze troops, evil nasty anti-Kahane anti-Rebbe leftwing officers, and exposed to alcohol and drugs, he became schizophrenic and completely relinquished the religion and became violently anti-Zionist himself. There are many cases like this.
Indeed, on a Satanic level, that is the very purpose of Zahal: to de-Judaize the population and turn them in to left-wing womanizing atheists! The only reason the Erev Rav who rule Israel are making such a tumult at this time is because they see that it it is their last chance to prevent the Haredim becoming the demographic majority by 2025, by forcing their compulsory mass conscription and mass secularization.
Zahal loathes the Orthodox-only Nahal Haredi and Hesder units, and would love to disband them. TPTB want Haredim to compulsorily join Zahal on their terms ie to be dispersed thought all the units, watered down, exposed to immodest females and secular values etc.
No way will Haredim join Zahal unless it is in to un-mixed Haredi units catering to their needs and preserving their group identity on every level ie Bobover Bombardiers, Sanzer Sappers, Mirrer Minelayers, Vizhnitz Infantry, Ponovez Tankists, Breslov Bridgelayers etc.
The Chillonim would literally rather disband Zahal and see the Medina fall than let Haredim join en masse in their own units and preserve their identity, and also get weapons training that could be used in a coup to storm the Knesset or even the Temple Mount.
Tag-MehirTzedek:
--- Quote from: Chaim Ben Pesach on July 17, 2012, 08:39:02 AM ---בס''ד
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But if their was no army what would have happened then? The army also fights against Arab enemies (however weak it currently is). What is the solution then? I understand to not follow evil orders, but at the same time don't you see that an army or a force is needed to fight against the Arab enemies?
Also you mentioned pre-Gush Katif, are you telling me their weren't any serious problems back then? Including the kidnapping of Jewish children, shooting of the Altellena and other such incidents.
Sveta:
Yesterday night I downloaded some lectures into my MP3 player to listen in my car since I'm not listening to music while driving like I usually do.
Coincidentally, the lecture I turned on today spoke about this topic. I was surprised. I have the audio but there is also a video. Please listen to his explanation about this topic, it's what I wanted to say. I'm also quoting what Rabbi Benhaim says.
If the video doesn't work, here's the audio:
http://www.torahanytime.com/scripts/media.php?file=media/Rabbi/Avraham_Benhaim/2009-10-14/The_Light_the_Torah_and_the_Land_of_Israel/Rabbi__Avraham_Benhaim__The_Light_the_Torah_and_the_Land_of_Israel__2009-10-14.mp3
The entire lecture is great but the part that deals with this question starts at 10:33
--- Quote ---That’s why we have to owe a tremendous appreciation to the yeshivot in Israel. We have to understand how much we should be appreciative towards all the young people who study in kollelim, in Torah day and night. Instead of going and making a nice living by becoming engineers and doctors they go and become Talmudic hahamin.
Which is denigrated by most people and amongst them many Jews. “Hey go to work what is this”? They don’t understand that what gives us the hope to keep the land of Israel and to keep the world alive is only because those people, those gentlemen sit down and study Torah.
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That's what this Rabbi says. I know some people disagree and would want to force these young men into service, even though these young men will just go to prison for a few months and go back to continue their studies. Others say they are fighting a spiritual war. Others say that the secular Jews in Israel (who are the most vocal against the Haredi to serve, all while desecrating Shabbat themselves) put the country in danger.. And it is the Torah scholars and those who study Torah day and night who keep Israel safe from the detrimental spiritual threats.
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Yerusha, I agree with what you say.
We have to understand, Haredi young men have not hung around with women, outsiders and Israeli goyim all their lives. So we're going to take them out of their communities and throw them in with these groups of people? We're is our love for a fellow Jew in this. They study Torah every day and take great joy in doing so. They have a derech. But we want to take them out of this, divert their derech and right into the same room with these "slutty female soldiers" and I have seen some of these women.
I'm not extremely religious but I at least know how to behave and dress around ultra-religious people. I do not agree with tearing these young men from their religious life and putting them into an organization that hates them and looks down on their ultra-religious life with contempt.
Tag-MehirTzedek:
--- Quote from: IsraeliHeart on July 18, 2012, 01:58:46 AM --- Rabbi Benhaim
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Rav Ben Haim is a great Rav I have been listening to his lectures. Thanks for posting this I am listening now, on the other hand I also do remember him saying that learning all day is not for everyone especially when he cannot afford it.
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