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ONE MILLION Haredim planning to march against a Torah command!
Yerusha:
Rabbi Baruch Horovitz of Yeshia Dvar Yerushalayim stated that: "The initial onslaught of the Yom Kippur War took place at the height of Mussaf Avodah, when in the time of the Beis Hamikdash korbanos were offered up to atone for the whole of Klal Yisroel. Those soldiers who perished in that traumatic hour died as perfect tzaddikim".
It is thus possible for a secular soldier who dies whilst defending other Jews, could in one instant of agony gain a reward in Olam Haba greater than a Haredi Jew who spends a lifetime doing mitzvos & studying Torah, but who absolutely refuses to partake in the mitzva of Milchemes Mitzva!
Tag-MehirTzedek:
--- Quote from: Chaim Ben Pesach on July 19, 2012, 11:36:59 PM ---בס''ד
I must also say that I am furious with you right now. Yesterday you uploaded to this forum a Judenrat kapo video promoting the Muslim Nazi Barack Hussein Obama as a "friend" of Israel. I removed the thread containing the video because it caused unnecessary tension between members of this forum. But you uploaded this evil treasonous video and you wrote:
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I never said that he is but that he claims to be . My point was and is that many politicians claim to be pro-Israel when they are not. In no way was I stating that Obama is pro-Israel. I don't understand why you did not understand what I was saying.
Rubystars:
I think a lot of Jews in the USA support Obama and try to convince themselves that he's pro-Israel even when he's really not at all (as Chaim pointed out) because they're generally a very left wing segment of the population, and they like his other policies like being pro-gay and pro-abortion and pro-illegal alien, so they overlook the fact that Obama hates Jews and Israel, or they try to fool themselves that Obama doesn't hate Jews and Israel.
They've even gone so far as to fool themselves into thinking the suicidal/genocidal "peace process" is a pro-Israel idea. So when they tell Jews outside the USA that Obama is "pro Israel" they really mean that he's for the suicidal/genocidal "peace process". Everyone on this forum knows that's not pro-Israel at all, but there are a lot of self-hating leftists who have convinced themselves and others that it is.
This is made worse by the Israeli government leftist or phony right leadership echoing the same ideas. Then the argument is made "How can an American president presume to be more pro-Israel than Israel itself is?" So the leftists use this as an excuse for people like Obama.
What you need to drive home to these people and I think what the essence of the problem is, is that the "peace process" is NOT pro-Israel and it will NOT help Israel's security, and it will NOT protect Jewish lives. If they can understand that, then they can no longer claim that Obama is "pro Israel" without knowing that they're lying. Of course many leftists would anyway.
Tag-MehirTzedek:
Rubstars I agree 100% I don't understand how Chaim completely misunderstood what I was exactly saying. In no way would I support Obama. I think that is clear, but what I posted (and what got Chaim upset with me) was Obama pretending to be Israel's "best friend". I was trying to point that out and not saying that he was . Whatever, I think by now I should be understood, soo I'm going to stop repeating myself on this issue.
Rubystars:
--- Quote from: Tag-MehirTzedek on July 20, 2012, 11:07:47 AM ---Rubstars I agree 100% I don't understand how Chaim completely misunderstood what I was exactly saying. In no way would I support Obama. I think that is clear, but what I posted (and what got Chaim upset with me) was Obama pretending to be Israel's "best friend". I was trying to point that out and not saying that he was . Whatever, I think by now I should be understood, soo I'm going to stop repeating myself on this issue.
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I thought you were confused by the pro-Obama propaganda. I thought maybe you didn't know that when they claimed Obama was "pro Israel" that it really meant that he was for the suicidal/genocidal "peace process". That's the left's definition of "pro Israel". You know, it's classic doublespeak, everything means the opposite of what the words mean. When Obama says he's pro-Israel, he really means he wants to destroy Israel a little at a time.
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