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HaRav Elyashiv z'l and the Haredi Mind — Part 01
Tag-MehirTzedek:
--- Quote from: muman613 on July 30, 2012, 02:25:34 AM ---This may be something to consider... David HaMelech was destined to live only 3 hours... Adam HaRishon was able to foresee this and he gave 70 years of his life to King David... We should not say that a man can only live 100-120 years, Hashem will decide when it is time.
http://www.torah.org/learning/ravfrand/5768/bereishis.html
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Okay but should be assume that an old man dieing is because of our sins? Don't you see a natural order to life where people usually aged 70 and up are expected to depart from this world? Even the 4 people who never comitted any sins died- Benyamin ben Yaakov, Yishai father of Dawidh, son of Dawid etc.
edu:
Question for Tag-MehirTzedek
The Torah stresses that Moshe Rabbeinu died, because of personal and national sin (see Dvarim/Deut. 3:26 concerning the element of national sin) even though he reached the age of 120.
It was not old age that killed Moshe, it was sin.
So what is your problem, that the Charedis also apply this idea to other people?
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: muman613 on July 30, 2012, 02:25:34 AM ---This may be something to consider... David HaMelech was destined to live only 3 hours... Adam HaRishon was able to foresee this and he gave 70 years of his life to King David... We should not say that a man can only live 100-120 years, Hashem will decide when it is time.
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Is Hashem also the author of Bereshith 6:3 ? Or are you going to tell God that He can't say man has a limited lifespan?
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: edu on July 31, 2012, 01:46:47 AM ---Question for Tag-MehirTzedek
The Torah stresses that Moshe Rabbeinu died, because of personal and national sin (see Dvarim/Deut. 3:26 concerning the element of national sin) even though he reached the age of 120.
It was not old age that killed Moshe, it was sin.
So what is your problem, that the Charedis also apply this idea to other people?
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So the leading haredi torah sage is equated to moshe rabenu now, too?
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Tag-MehirTzedek:
--- Quote from: edu on July 31, 2012, 01:46:47 AM ---Question for Tag-MehirTzedek
The Torah stresses that Moshe Rabbeinu died, because of personal and national sin (see Dvarim/Deut. 3:26 concerning the element of national sin) even though he reached the age of 120.
It was not old age that killed Moshe, it was sin.
So what is your problem, that the Charedis also apply this idea to other people?
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This is what (Well quick google translation I found, their are many that says this)
" But because of you the LORD was angry with me and would not listen to me. "That is enough," the LORD said. "Do not speak to me anymore about this matter. "
What is your point? i thought this was talking about entering Eretz Yisrael of which Moshe was not allowed.
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