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HaRav Elyashiv z'l and the Haredi Mind — Part 01
edu:
Jerusalem bible translation of 3:26
"But the L-rd was angry with me for your sakes, and would not hear me: and the L-rd said to me, Let it suffice thee; speak no more to me on this matter".
To supplement this see Rabbeinu Bachayei's commentary about the simple meaning.
See also Dvarim 32 verses 50 to 52, where again the point is made that sin caused Moshe to die and see Dvarim 34 verse 6, that the Torah stresses there that his body was in great shape not showing signs of old age, when he died, thus again stressing that his death was due to sin and not old age.
muman613:
I believe that when Moshe said to Korach "You have enough" that this was viewed as the improper response to Korach and Moses was told "Enough" when he was praying so that he could enter the land. See Sotah 13b...
--- Quote ---http://www.webshas.org/torah/bichtav/tanach/moshe.htm
Gd told Moses, "You have enough [Rav Lach]," as a punishment for Moses having told Korach, "You have enough." Alternatively, "Rav Lach" meant "You now have a master [Joshua]." Alternatively, "Rav Lach" meant "It is enough; don't make me appear too harsh": Sotah 13b
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Excerpt from Sotah13b
--- Quote ---WHOM HAVE WE GREATER THAN MOSES etc. And the Lord said unto me, Let it suffice thee.19 R. Levi said: With the word 'suffice' [Moses] made an announcement and with the word 'suffice' an announcement was made to him. With the word 'suffice' he made an announcement: 'Suffice you';20 and with the word 'suffice' an announcement was made to him: 'Let it suffice thee'. Another explanation of 'Let it suffice [rab] thee' is, Thou hast a master [rab], viz., Joshua.21 Another explanation of 'Let it suffice thee' is, That people should not say: How severe the Master is and how persistent the pupil is.22 And why so? In the School of R. Ishmael it was taught: According to the camel is the burden.23
And he said unto them, I am an hundred and twenty years old this day.24 Why does the text state 'this day?' [The meaning is], This day are my days and years completed.25 Its purpose is to teach you that the Holy One, blessed be He, completes the years of the righteous from day to day, and from month to month; for it is written: The number of thy days I will fulfil.26 I can no more go out and come in24 — what means 'go out and come in'? If it is to be understood literally, behold it is written: And Moses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died; his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated;27 it is also written: And Moses went up from the plains of Moab unto mount Nebo;28 and it has been taught: Twelve steps were there, but Moses mounted them in one stride! — R. Samuel b. Nahmani said in the name of R. Jonathan: [It means] to 'go out and come in' with words of Torah, thus indicating that the gates of wisdom were closed against him.
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Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: Tag-MehirTzedek on July 31, 2012, 09:45:22 AM --- This is what (Well quick google translation I found, their are many that says this)
" But because of you the LORD was angry with me and would not listen to me. "That is enough," the LORD said. "Do not speak to me anymore about this matter. "
What is your point? i thought this was talking about entering Eretz Yisrael of which Moshe was not allowed.
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That is indeed what the pasuk is about. The rabbis talk about how Moshe kept davening over and over again requesting Hashem's permission to enter until finally Hashem says drop the matter.
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
Sota 13b says he lived a full life and died at 120 years of age precisely on the day he was born, because that is what happens with righteous people. Quite the opposite of saying he died because of sin.
Should we ignore this and radically reinterpret some more verses in a forced way instead?
I haven't yet seen the above referenced rabenu bachye but I have a very hard time accepting the proposed understanding by edu. Doesn't seem to fit.
muman613:
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on August 05, 2012, 03:48:05 AM ---Sota 13b says he lived a full life and died at 120 years of age precisely on the day he was born, because that is what happens with righteous people. Quite the opposite of saying he died because of sin.
Should we ignore this and radically reinterpret some more verses in a forced way instead?
I haven't yet seen the above referenced rabenu bachye but I have a very hard time accepting the proposed understanding by edu. Doesn't seem to fit.
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Did you learn anything from todays Parasha?
Moshe was not allowed to go into the land BECAUSE OF THE SIN of striking the rock, and not talking to it. This sin was caused by his own transgression, along with the sin of the people for mocking Moshe when he spoke to it and it didn't give forth the water. Rabbi Pinchas Winston explained this facet in a video I posted last week. What Edu pointed out above is that due to the combined personal and national sin, Moshe was not permitted to enter the land.
Although there is a medresh I heard which explains that Moshe asked Hashem why his prayer was not granted and Hashem explained that if Moshe were to go into the land then Hashem would destroy his people. Because when the Sin of the Golden calf occured Moshe davened for forgiveness when Hashem said he wanted to destroy the entire nation and make Moshe a great nation. Because of Hashem granting them forgiveness at that time Moshe was not allowed to enter. If Moshe were to enter then the Temple which Moshe build would be eternal, and Hashems anger would be taken out on the nation. Because Moshe did not enter the land, Hashem was able to take out his anger on the building and not on the people.
This is a lesson I learned this Shabbat...
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