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Was the Temple Destroyed Because of Hatred?
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: muman613 on July 29, 2012, 08:42:56 PM ---Tag,
I really try to like this rabbi, I was listening to it and unfortunately he lost me. He seems to see the worst in all Jews, ascribing all kinds of intentions which are not there. He saw a sign saying that "Ahavat Chinam" is the rectification for the destruction and then he went on to assume that they believe the Temple will fall from the sky. These kinds of things are the very problem with the Jewish people today, always looking at the other and ascribing things which are not there to them.
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But that is there. Why don't you talk to them and ask them? They will tell you. They don't hide it.
'If we just do enough mitzvahs to "tip the balance" (so to speak), it's going to appear there.' Either you do not realize just how many thousands of Jews believe this, or you simply don't want to hear it!
How about this one, when someone says (on the day of tisha b'av, or the day before tisha bav) something like 'if we wake up tomorrow and moshiach hasn't come yet' then we'll do xyz. As in, some halacha that is for tisha bav, or for the day after tisha bav.
In what way could moschiach magically appear in one day when he's not known or heard of the day before, except in a miraculous whirlwind that probably involves a temple landing too? This is just the mindset, the magical mindset. That all the problems are going to be swooped away in some instantaneous event that overturns the entire world order. And of course they misinterpret an aggadic statement about moshiach being born on tisha bav and they transform it into something literal. Wait, so a baby will appear tomorrow and we'll be morphed into Eretz Yisrael somehow? Or an adult? lol.
That's the same mindset that goes with temples falling from skies, appearing instantly, and us not having to do the practical steps that would lead to us building an actual temple.
--- Quote ---I would rather just go back to ignoring this rabbi, if you find this enlightening, then I will not complain. But sincerely I do believe that Jewish unity is essential for rebuilding the Temple
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Jewish unity is not achieved by ignoring people.
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: muman613 on July 29, 2012, 10:40:51 PM ---I was listening to the speakers from TorahAnyTime, Chazzak, and Naaleh and none of them said the Temple will fall from heaven.
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Saying this is kind of nondescript. There is a big difference between openly saying, "We will build the temple physically"
or "The Temple will fall from the sky"
vs. IMPLYING either of these things by saying other things. Sometimes people hear what they want to hear. But just because someone didn't say point blank "The Temple will fall down from heaven" they could still have given an entire lecture based on that premise.
muman613:
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on July 30, 2012, 01:15:50 AM ---Saying this is kind of nondescript. There is a big difference between openly saying, "We will build the temple physically"
or "The Temple will fall from the sky"
vs. IMPLYING either of these things by saying other things. Sometimes people hear what they want to hear. But just because someone didn't say point blank "The Temple will fall down from heaven" they could still have given an entire lecture based on that premise.
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You are making an assumption. I have heard most all of these Rabbis explain that we need to make the effort to rebuild the temple. Often some of them say that the arabs will have to be dealt with. I know several of those Rabbis are zionist and pro rebuilding the Temple.
muman613:
Here is my question. Assuming we all said that we want to rebuild the Temple now is there any way in reality we could take it at this time. Today a group of Jews wanted to daven at the mount and they were denied entry. Do we have the weapons to overthrow the authority?
I would like to see the Temple cleansed of the muslim abomination. I dream about it every day and I would fully support any organization which is working toward the goal of re-establishing Jewish sovereignty on the Temple mount.
But I fail to see the practical way of achieving it. Maybe some of you could propose a method to reclaim the Temple mount?
edu:
--- Quote ---But I fail to see the practical way of achieving it. Maybe some of you could propose a method to reclaim the Temple mount?
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I will answer a question with a question. What will you tell the Charedi who says to you, "I see no practical way of retaining Judea and Samaria. Maybe you could propose a method"?
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