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muman613:
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on August 22, 2012, 03:58:43 PM ---Well I didn't say he figured out the meaning, I said that he claimed to have figured out the meaning. Or more precisely, he claimed that chabad chassidus figured out the meaning. That is an outlandish claim, IMO. I saw this in a youtube video. The rebbe was giving a speech and said about how chabad chassidus enabled us to understand the para aduma. I would have to search for it to find it.
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I have never heard of such a thing. All the Chabad Rabbis teach that the meaning of Parah Aduma is a Chok, which means that there is no RATIONAL MEANING to it...
muman613:
It is believed that Abraham wrote the Sefer Yetzirah, a Kabbalistic text which pre-dates the Zohar...
http://www.askmoses.com/en/article/238,487/Who-wrote-Sefer-Yetzirah-the-Book-of-Creation.html
--- Quote ---According to many authorities (Rabbi Saadya Gaon; Bachya; Kuzari; Zohar; Pardes, and others) Sefer Yetzirah was written by Abraham our patriarch. Other sources seem to indicate that it was written by Rabbi Akiba. Some have suggested that the ideas were those of Abraham and were passed down from generation to generation until Rabbi Akiba transcribed them.
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muman613:
You are attempting again to twist my words KWRBT... I don't know why you seem to resort to the same kind of arguing, arguing a straw man argument.
I said that the Torah was the blueprint for creation. I said that the concepts of the Torah {Kashrut, Shabbat, Tefillin, etc.} existed before the Jewish people were even in existence {assuming that the Jewish people became a people once they left Mitzrayim}. The mystical concepts which the Torah includes existed before the Jewish people were 'born' at Mt Sinai.
muman613:
It is a fact that Sefer Yetzirah existed before the writing of the Talmud because the Talmud mentions this Sefer Yetzirah:
http://www.askmoses.com/en/article/271,488/Is-Sefer-Yetzirah-the-Book-of-Creation-mentioned-in-the-Talmud.html
Is Sefer Yetzirah (the Book of Creation) mentioned in the Talmud?
by Rabbi Yossi Marcus
Yes. The Talmud Sanhedrin 65b reports that the Talmudic sage Rava created a person and sent it to Rabbi Zeira. Rabbi Zeira spoke to it but it did not reply (because it did not have a human soul it was unable to speak). Rabbi Zeira said to it: “You are a creation of one of my colleagues; return to your dust!” Rashi ad loc. explains that Rava used the teachings of Sefer Yetzirah to create this being. (Rabbi Zeira in turn used the same teachings to destroy the man, uttering the same letters as did Rava but in reverse order [Ben Yehoyada].)
The Talmud continues with another tale: Rav Chanina and Rav Oshaya would sit together every eve of the Sabbath and delve into Sefer Yetzirah. A calf would be created for them and they would eat it.
Rashi (ibid 67b) explains that they would form various permutations of the Divine Name with which He created the world and a calf would therefore come into being.
So there you go.
See also Jerusalem Talmud 7:13.
The One and Only Mo:
--- Quote from: muman613 on August 22, 2012, 04:42:50 PM ---You are attempting again to twist my words KWRBT... I don't know why you seem to resort to the same kind of arguing, arguing a straw man argument.
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He would never do that.
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