What is "Na Nach Nachma Nachman Meumam" group

[Dr. Dan]

While I was in Jerusalem, I saw several fliers and posters and vans with this written on it.  Who are they, what are they about, why this type of presentation?

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

Just ignore it.

[muman613]

They are a branch of the Breslov Chassic sect, followers of the great Rabbi Nachman of Breslov. I have a close association with the Breslovers because my family came from Uman, the place where Rabbi Nachman is buried.

Rabbi Nachmans Chassidus, which is a branch of the Chassidus of the Bal Shem Tov {the grandfather of all Chassidic Judaism and whos  Birthday happens to be this month Elul 18}, teaches that Jews should not fear anything, and through teshuva and good deeds we rectify the wrongs in this world, and accumulate merits for the world to come.

Breslov stresses the joy which Hashem commands us, and in order to be joyful the Jew should express his prayers in a way which is emotional. The Breslover also enjoys Jewish music and dancing, and often they will dance in the streets.

http://www.breslev.co.il/default.aspx

http://www.breslev.co.il/articles/breslev/rebbe_nachmans_wisdom/rav_kook_and_rebbe_nachman.aspx?id=8119&language=english

 Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook was the first modern Chief Rabbi of Israel (1865-1935). Like Rabbi Nachman of Breslev, Rabbi Kook was a transcendental dreamer and thinker whose states of mind seem always to be floating on a level above that of this earthly reality.
 
What was the attitude of Rabbi Kook toward the teachings of Rabbi Nachman?
 
In the early 1900's, Rabbi Kook’s son, Rabbi Tzvi Yehudah, considered following the path of Breslov Hasidism. He wrote his father a letter asking his advice. Rabbi Kook’s response, one of respect but caution, is an essential introduction to those who would wish to join themselves to the intoxicating path of Breslov. Rabbi Kook wrote,
 
The inner nature of this great man, Rabbi Nachman, requires great study. But one needs a healthy heart, a healthy soul and good, hygienic practices, both psychological and physical. One also needs a good and straight connection to other teachings—both those that support and those that disagree with the views of Rabbi Nachman. Then, Rabbi Nachman’s words will shine in the proper manner. (Chayei Harayeh, p. 172)

[Dr. Dan]

They are a branch of the Breslov Chassic sect, followers of the great Rabbi Nachman of Breslov. I have a close association with the Breslovers because my family came from Uman, the place where Rabbi Nachman is buried.

Rabbi Nachmans Chassidus, which is a branch of the Chassidus of the Bal Shem Tov {the grandfather of all Chassidic Judaism and whos anniversary of death 'yartzeit' happens to be this month}, teaches that Jews should not fear anything, and through teshuva and good deeds we rectify the wrongs in this world, and accumulate merits for the world to come.

Breslov stresses the joy which Hashem commands us, and in order to be joyful the Jew should express his prayers in a way which is emotional. The Breslover also enjoys Jewish music and dancing, and often they will dance in the streets.

http://www.breslev.co.il/default.aspx

http://www.breslev.co.il/articles/breslev/rebbe_nachmans_wisdom/rav_kook_and_rebbe_nachman.aspx?id=8119&language=english

I like these types of Jews.

[Dr. Dan]

Just ignore it.

Why?

[muman613]

Why?

I suspect it may be an old controversy... And there are rumors by the Mitnagdim that the followers of Rabbi Nachman believe he was the Moshiach, once again putting this on Chassidic Jewery. Rabbi Nachman was not Moshiach, never said he was Moshiach, and most sects of Breslov do not believe he was moshiach.

[muman613]

Here is some basic information of Chassidic ideology:

http://www.chassidus.net/

TEACHINGS OF JUDAISM FROM THE CHASSIDIC REBBES


The purpose of CHASSIDUS is to disseminate teachings concerning the Derech HaBaal Shem Tov (the way of the Baal Shem Tov or Chassidus). This is called the 'Way' of the Baal Shem Tov and not the 'Teachings' of the Baal Shem Tov because the emphasis is on what the Avodah [service of HaShem] of Chassidus is about, and not just esoteric teachings. This approach comes from a teaching from the Baal Shem Tov that appears in 'Betzunah DeNehora' the work of his grandson Rabbi Baruch of Mezbuz.

The Baal Shem Tov was asked "'Please tell us what is the main focus of Avodah (service of G-d)?' The Baal Shem Tov answered them, 'I have come to this world to show another way [other then self mortification]. A person should take upon himself these three things: Love of G-d, Love of his fellow Jew, and Love of the Torah, and he will have no need for self mortification.'"
All of the teachings of Chassidus, and the Chassidic way of life are based on these three things.

Each week we will explore four or five short teachings from the works of the Baal Shem Tov and/or some of the other Chassidic Rebbes, covering the period from the founder of Chassidus (the Baal Shem Tov) until the present day. Each teaching will be one that emphasizes an aspect of the Avodah of Chassidus. These teachings will be ones that are of use to every Jew no matter what his level of knowledge of Judaism is. On occasion a Chassidic story will be included, since one of the main methods of teaching practiced by the Baal Shem Tov and later rebbes was through stories that taught the Chassidic way of life.

Comments will be made in order to clarify these teachings when needed and to make them more accessible to those who have little or no background. (The translators personal comments or commentary will always appear between "[" and "]") Sources will be provided for those who wish to look them up in the original. It is hoped that everyone will find inspiration from at least one of the teachings each week.

[muman613]

One more than my lunch is over... I will check in later today...

http://www.askmoses.com/en/article/414,2258015/What-is-Chassidut-Chassidic-Philosophy.html

What is Chassidut (Chassidic Philosophy)?

Chassidut (or, Chassidus) is the inner dimension of Torah explored and taught by the Chassidic masters. Chassidut teaches you how to see the soul of a thing rather than its body; its inner essence rather than its external manifestations.

Chassidism is a movement within Judaism founded by Rabbi Yisrael Ba'al Shem Tov (5458 – 5520 [1698-1760 CE]). Its purpose is to awaken the Jewish People to its own inner self through the study of the inner dimension of the Torah, which explores the inner dimensions of creation and Creator, thus preparing the way for the advent of Moshiach.

Chassidut is inwardly based upon the ancient doctrinal tradition of Kabbalah. Outwardly it gives new emphasis to the simple and joyful service of God, particularly through prayer and acts of loving-kindness. In Chassidic thought, the abstract and often impenetrable formulae of classical Kabbalah are recast into the psychological terms of human experience, making it understandable and accessible to the average person.

By using the individual’s own inner experience as an allegorical model for understanding the deepest mysteries of the universe, Chassidut both elevates the consciousness of the ordinary Jew as well as expands the conceptual territory of Kabbalistic thought. Indeed, the classical tradition of Kabbalah can be considered superficial relative to that of Chassidut. By focusing upon immediate experience, Chassidut identifies aspects of Divinity that the highly formal and abstract system of Kabbalistic induction leaves unexplored.

Another way of explaining the differing emphases of Kabbalah and Chassidut is to say that Kabbalah focuses on the "vessels" (kelim) of Creation while Chassidut deals with the "lights"(orot) that fill these vessels. This distinction is apparent even in the names attached to these two mystical traditions: The word Kabbalah in Hebrew is derived from the root kabal, "to serve as a receptacle or vessel," while the word Chassidut is constructed from the root chesed, "lovingkindness," an attribute often referred to symbolically as the light of day.

The Ba'al Shem Tov brought Kabbalistic thought to its historical apex, both in terms of its conceptual refinement and its degree of influence upon the lives of the Jewish populace. It has been said that where Kabbalah is the "soul of the Torah," Chassidut is "the soul within the soul." The body of Torah (Talmud, Halachah etc) teaches you the what and how of Judaism, the soul of (and especially the soul of the soul of) Torah illuminates the why and what for.

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

 

[muman613]

Indeed many Breslov kids get into the dancing and musical aspect of the joy... But those who are strict in adhering to the tenets of Chassidus keep all the commandments according to the book of Jewish law (Shulchan Aruch).

[muman613]

http://www.rabbiwein.com/Revolutionary-Spiritualitybr-4-Lectures-P111.html

Rabbi Nachman of Breslov - Rebbe Nachman aimed to fix what he believed was an erroneous trend in Chassidus. Though the Baal Shem Tov intended to bring spirituality to the Jewish masses, Rebbe Nachman felt his disciples had lost sight of that mission by making Chassidus too intellectual and complicated. His own emphasis on simple, heartfelt conversations with God over strict adherence to the siddur made him popular with some and controversial to others. But even with opposition and even without a Rebbe to succeed Rebbe Nachman, Breslov Chassidus has grown exponentially and is now enjoying a revival that brings thousands to Rebbe Nachman's gravesite every Rosh Hashanah.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

While I was in Jerusalem, I saw several fliers and posters and vans with this written on it.  Who are they, what are they about, why this type of presentation?

They are basically clowns that make a mockery of Judaism (and of their rebbe)

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

They are a branch of the Breslov Chassic sect, followers of the great Rabbi Nachman of Breslov. I have a close association with the Breslovers because my family came from Uman, the place where Rabbi Nachman is buried.

Rabbi Nachmans Chassidus, which is a branch of the Chassidus of the Bal Shem Tov {the grandfather of all Chassidic Judaism and whos anniversary of death 'yartzeit' happens to be this month}, teaches that Jews should not fear anything, and through teshuva and good deeds we rectify the wrongs in this world, and accumulate merits for the world to come.

Breslov stresses the joy which Hashem commands us, and in order to be joyful the Jew should express his prayers in a way which is emotional. The Breslover also enjoys Jewish music and dancing, and often they will dance in the streets.

http://www.breslev.co.il/default.aspx

http://www.breslev.co.il/articles/breslev/rebbe_nachmans_wisdom/rav_kook_and_rebbe_nachman.aspx?id=8119&language=english

The na na na 'ers are not just "bresslavers" - they are a small cult among the bresslavers.  They have gone astray from actual bresslav chassidism.

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

They are basically clowns that make a mockery of Judaism (and of their rebbe)

Some of them may be clowns! But at least they're out trying to spread the word! And are not worried about what happens to them. And it brings a smile to my face watching them!

[muman613]

The na na na 'ers are not just "bresslavers" - they are a small cult among the bresslavers.  They have gone astray from actual bresslav chassidism.

This is what I said...

They are a branch of the Breslov Chassic sect, followers of the great Rabbi Nachman of Breslov. I have a close association with the Breslovers because my family came from Uman, the place where Rabbi Nachman is buried.

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

What I can't understand is why Jews accuse other Jews of not being true Jews?

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

What I can't understand is why Jews accuse other Jews of not being true Jews?

 Don't see that here.

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

[Sveta]

I thought people didn't like the "Na Nachers" because they accuse them of getting drunk and or doing drugs all day and act like they don't care about their surroundings or other people.
 As seen in this ANNOYING video!!!






I don't give into these accusations. I've always liked them myself though. I feel they are good people.

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

I think they're funny! No one is perfect! Maybe we need a few more rough necks in  Judaism?

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

What I can't understand is why Jews accuse other Jews of not being true Jews?

But they are true Jews.  True Jews who have truly gone astray.

Are you aware of what they think about repeating that phrase and why they say it?    Come on, now, stop playing naive.   These dudes are wacko.

Real Breslaver's are fine.   
And also many non-Breslav Jews (many in the settlements who aren't even chassidim) are interested in Rebbe Nachman's teachings and delve into them.     
But the messianic guys with the catch phrases are a cult.   If you can't handle that, then don't read the thread.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Some of them may be clowns! But at least they're out trying to spread the word!

Oh really?  What word, exactly?

I'm interested to know what word you think they are out spreading.   Please tell me specifically the message you think they are spreading.

[Dr. Dan]

They are basically clowns that make a mockery of Judaism (and of their rebbe)

Can you explain further?  I'm sure you have seen them frequently and first hand spoken with some of their members.  What turns you off about them?

[muman613]

What I get is that KWRBT is saying that those who repeat the mantra somehow are making Breslov Chassidus into a cult.

There are many great branches and schools of Breslov, and Na Nah Nach is only one small part of it. I support Breslov in general not specifically Na Nah Nach... But I believe that Na Nah Nach do good also and am not as 'down' on them as KWRBT seems to be..

Rabbi Lazer Brody and Rabbi Shalom Arush {of Chut Shel Chessed Yeshiva in Jerusalem} are the teachers I most respect. They are not associated with the Na Nah Nach branch...

[Dr. Dan]

I thought people didn't like the "Na Nachers" because they accuse them of getting drunk and or doing drugs all day and act like they don't care about their surroundings or other people.
 As seen in this ANNOYING video!!!






I don't give into these accusations. I've always liked them myself though. I feel they are good people.

Funny video..If this is how they are, they almost come off to be like a hippy evangelical Chassidic Jews