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Ehud · « **Reply #75 on:** July 13, 2007, 03:26:22 PM »

Quote from: thunderbolt on July 13, 2007, 03:01:22 PM

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Just because Yakov thinks that they are righteous doesn't mean that he was tacitly supporting those comments.

So when Louis Farrakhan thinks Adolf Hitler is a "very great man" he isn't actually supporting Adolf Hitler's statements or policies, right? Love the double standards!

This is an absurd comparison. Here's a better example. There are many people who I adore and who I think are righteous and good people. Does that mean that I agree with everything they've ever said? Of course not. I like Chaim and I think he is righteous and I haven't agreed with everything he's ever said. I would be willing to bet that you are the same. There will always be things that people who you like will say that you will disagree with, does that mean you should stop supporting them as people, of course not! I think DownwithIslam and newman are very righteous people but that doesn't mean that I support them calling ftf a drek and a cornhole.

TheCoon · « **Reply #76 on:** July 13, 2007, 03:45:16 PM »

So you know what? When the board admin throws his support behind people who repeatedly name-call and make vicious attacks against people and their faiths, you read the writing on the wall, Ze'ev. Frankly, ftf's desire to deal with muslims in a mature and logical manner are likely too much to handle for certain people to handle.

Anyone who would insult ftf by calling him drek or a cornhole not a righteous individual. In fact, I'd say they're the scum of the earth on par with muslims.

Ehud · « **Reply #77 on:** July 13, 2007, 04:09:39 PM »

Are you serious, you actually condemn people who name call and make verbal attacks on Muslims? The fact that you call it a "faith" to begin with shows that you're not committed to defeating Islam. It is righteous to condemn, vilify, and insult Islam and Muslims to the fullest extent possible. THAT is the position of JTF and its members. Chaim does so, and he said we should not hold anything back when condemning our enemies. There is no way to deal with a Muslim logically, what are you supposed to say to him when he says that the Bible was corrupted by Jews and Christians and that the Quran is the word of G-d? Abdulluh wasn't answering any of the questions honestly, so the only thing left to do was attack and vilify him in an effort to make him feel ashamed to be a Muslim.

Are you really saying that DownwithIslam and newman are scum of the earth? You're calling fellow JTF members scum, while you're condemning the fact that they called ftf a drek and a cornhole, which by the way was not done in such a serious manner as you just did. Isn't that hypocritical? Have you ever heard of taking the high moral ground? If you don't think that they are righteous because of what they said about ftf and about Islam then what does that make you? According to you, you don't consider yourself to be a righteous individual because you used the scum of the earth insult.

So let me get this straight. You just condemned people who make joking verbal attacks on Muslims, but yet you viciously insult fellow JTF members by calling them scum of the earth.

Ehud · « **Reply #78 on:** July 13, 2007, 04:11:22 PM »

Quote from: thunderbolt on July 13, 2007, 03:45:16 PM

So you know what? When the board admin throws his support behind people who repeatedly name-call and make vicious attacks against people and their faiths, you read the writing on the wall, Ze'ev. Frankly, ftf's desire to deal with muslims in a mature and logical manner are likely too much to handle for certain people to handle.

Anyone who would insult ftf by calling him drek or a cornhole not a righteous individual. In fact, I'd say they're the scum of the earth on par with muslims.

Just so people can see what you said about fellow JTF members, I'm going to post this in case you decide to change it.

Nic Brookes · « **Reply #79 on:** July 13, 2007, 04:44:22 PM »

this should be a chill out topic... shouldn't it?

i would suggest asking ftf but nobody would do that sensibly :p

ftf · « **Reply #80 on:** July 13, 2007, 04:55:47 PM »

Quote from: Ze'ev Jabotinsky on July 13, 2007, 04:09:39 PM

Are you serious, you actually condemn people who name call and make verbal attacks on Muslims? The fact that you call it a "faith" to begin with shows that you're not committed to defeating Islam. It is righteous to condemn, vilify, and insult Islam and Muslims to the fullest extent possible. THAT is the position of JTF and its members. Chaim does so, and he said we should not hold anything back when condemning our enemies. There is no way to deal with a Muslim logically, what are you supposed to say to him when he says that the Bible was corrupted by Jews and Christians and that the Quran is the word of G-d? Abdulluh wasn't answering any of the questions honestly, so the only thing left to do was attack and vilify him in an effort to make him feel ashamed to be a Muslim.

This is where I severely disagree with you, when attempting to answer my questions, it wasn't that he lied, it was that he just couldn't answer adequately if this had gone on for a little while longer, it would have begun to mkae him doubt his faith. And the topic could have stood as a monument to the fact that muslims can't defend Islam.

Dexter · « **Reply #81 on:** July 13, 2007, 04:59:00 PM »

Stop It !

Music duel: Jewish klezmer vs Gipsy music - Train de vie
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1bQmT1EM0Eg

Ehud · « **Reply #82 on:** July 13, 2007, 05:00:46 PM »

I got into an argument with a 17 year old Muslim woman the yesterday and I asked her all of the "hard" questions, like what is dar al Islam and what is dar al harb. She got completely pwned by everything I said to her and I completely dominated her, she didn't even know how respond to what I was saying. She was so clueless about her "faith" that she didn't know many of the fundamental parts of Islam. Needless to say, she was not shaken at all in her faith. I got her MSN address so maybe I'll invite her to the forum to have it out with us.

Ehud · « **Reply #83 on:** July 13, 2007, 05:02:18 PM »

Quote from: Dexter on July 13, 2007, 04:59:00 PM

Stop It !

Music duel: Jewish klezmer vs Gipsy music - Train de vie
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1bQmT1EM0Eg

Thanks Dexter. I LOVE KLEZMER

Alex · « **Reply #84 on:** July 13, 2007, 05:05:37 PM »

Quote from: Ze'ev Jabotinsky on July 13, 2007, 05:00:46 PM

She got completely pwned

Fellow 'leet speaker, eh?

ftf · « **Reply #85 on:** July 13, 2007, 05:09:45 PM »

Quote from: Ze'ev Jabotinsky on July 13, 2007, 05:00:46 PM

I got into an argument with a 17 year old Muslim woman the yesterday and I asked her all of the "hard" questions, like what is dar al Islam and what is dar al harb. She got completely pwned by everything I said to her and I completely dominated her, she didn't even know how respond to what I was saying. She was so clueless about her "faith" that she didn't know many of the fundamental parts of Islam. Needless to say, she was not shaken at all in her faith. I got her MSN address so maybe I'll invite her to the forum to have it out with us.

The trick is to use quranic quotes rather than just talking about Islamic concepts.

Nic Brookes · « **Reply #86 on:** July 13, 2007, 05:11:04 PM »

Yeah, there is a definite skill to debating muslims... shame nothing in their "faith" makes sense!

Ehud · « **Reply #87 on:** July 13, 2007, 05:11:54 PM »

Quote from: ftf on July 13, 2007, 05:09:45 PM

Quote from: Ze'ev Jabotinsky on July 13, 2007, 05:00:46 PM
I got into an argument with a 17 year old Muslim woman the yesterday and I asked her all of the "hard" questions, like what is dar al Islam and what is dar al harb. She got completely pwned by everything I said to her and I completely dominated her, she didn't even know how respond to what I was saying. She was so clueless about her "faith" that she didn't know many of the fundamental parts of Islam. Needless to say, she was not shaken at all in her faith. I got her MSN address so maybe I'll invite her to the forum to have it out with us.
The trick is to use quranic quotes rather than just talking about Islamic concepts.

Oh yeah, of course I do that. Usually I don't get any response to them though. They just say no no no, allah is a G-d of peeeace.

ftf · « **Reply #88 on:** July 13, 2007, 05:13:02 PM »

Ask them for a quote from the Quran about peace. Or ask them to explain a few violent verses.

Shechinah · « **Reply #89 on:** July 13, 2007, 10:46:05 PM »

How about music to end one's life to?
http://www.radioblogclub.com/open/80695/like_spinning_plates/Radiohead%20-%20Like%20Spinning%20Plates%20%28live%29

I can feel myself spinning down into madness when I listen to this.

TheCoon · « **Reply #90 on:** July 13, 2007, 11:26:23 PM »

Za'ev, the comments were directed at the anti-Christian comments made by these evil degenerate posters. You knew that likely but still tried to misconstrue my comments. And please, I'm not so gutless that I'd edit my post after the fact. My comments pale in comparison to some of the garbage that they've said in the past.

And no, I still think they're the scum of the earth. Why? They're the reason JTF will always be small-time. They're unintelligent people who are either too lazy or too stupid to tackle issues in a logical manner. The strength of conservative movements should always be in their substance and reasoning. Our beliefs are solid while those of our enemies(Islam/Liberalism) are not. Unfortunately these ogres spewing their garbage will turn otherwise reasonable people off JTF. I don't condemn them for attacking muslims but I condemn them for not being smart enough to do otherwise. And there is a way to deal logically with muslims. You defend yourself against them and stop the spread of their faith. That means promoting principled conservatism, stopping their immigration and cutting off welfare to their disgusting countries. That doesn't include randomly running around assaulting muslims. That doesn't include advocating mass killings.

Several posters are unabashed and unapologetic Christian-haters. I'm calling a spade a spade. I have no doubt if there was no Islam they'd be saying these terrible things about us too.

Lastly, nobody seems to want to get ftf's back on this. I got your back ftf. One ftf is worth a million newmans or muckdefuslims.

newman · « **Reply #91 on:** July 14, 2007, 12:19:34 AM »

Quote from: thunderbolt on July 13, 2007, 11:26:23 PM

Za'ev, the comments were directed at the anti-Christian comments made by these evil degenerate posters. You knew that likely but still tried to misconstrue my comments. And please, I'm not so gutless that I'd edit my post after the fact. My comments pale in comparison to some of the garbage that they've said in the past.

And no, I still think they're the scum of the earth. Why? They're the reason JTF will always be small-time. They're unintelligent people who are either too lazy or too stupid to tackle issues in a logical manner. The strength of conservative movements should always be in their substance and reasoning. Our beliefs are solid while those of our enemies(Islam/Liberalism) are not. Unfortunately these ogres spewing their garbage will turn otherwise reasonable people off JTF. I don't condemn them for attacking muslims but I condemn them for not being smart enough to do otherwise. And there is a way to deal logically with muslims. You defend yourself against them and stop the spread of their faith. That means promoting principled conservatism, stopping their immigration and cutting off welfare to their disgusting countries. That doesn't include randomly running around assaulting muslims. That doesn't include advocating mass killings.

Several posters are unabashed and unapologetic Christian-haters. I'm calling a spade a spade. I have no doubt if there was no Islam they'd be saying these terrible things about us too.

Lastly, nobody seems to want to get ftf's back on this. I got your back ftf. One ftf is worth a million newmans or muckdefuslims.

I'm sure ftf will be delighted that you have his "back", thunderbolt. I'm sure you're admiring the view.

Your head must be throbbing from banging it against the wall these last couple of weeks. It is obvious that vast multitudes seem to be listening to you. As you think "JTF will always be small-time", why don't you and your large corps of supporters go and form the 'Pusillanimous Pipsqueak , Jolly-Well Not Happy Task Force' and show us how it's done?

nessuno · « **Reply #92 on:** July 14, 2007, 07:36:18 AM »

Quote from: thunderbolt on July 13, 2007, 11:26:23 PM

Za'ev, the comments were directed at the anti-Christian comments made by these evil degenerate posters. You knew that likely but still tried to misconstrue my comments. And please, I'm not so gutless that I'd edit my post after the fact. My comments pale in comparison to some of the garbage that they've said in the past.

And no, I still think they're the scum of the earth. Why? They're the reason JTF will always be small-time. They're unintelligent people who are either too lazy or too stupid to tackle issues in a logical manner. The strength of conservative movements should always be in their substance and reasoning. Our beliefs are solid while those of our enemies(Islam/Liberalism) are not. Unfortunately these ogres spewing their garbage will turn otherwise reasonable people off JTF. I don't condemn them for attacking muslims but I condemn them for not being smart enough to do otherwise. And there is a way to deal logically with muslims. You defend yourself against them and stop the spread of their faith. That means promoting principled conservatism, stopping their immigration and cutting off welfare to their disgusting countries. That doesn't include randomly running around assaulting muslims. That doesn't include advocating mass killings.

Several posters are unabashed and unapologetic Christian-haters. I'm calling a spade a spade. I have no doubt if there was no Islam they'd be saying these terrible things about us too.

Lastly, nobody seems to want to get ftf's back on this. I got your back ftf. One ftf is worth a million newmans or muckdefuslims.

Thunderbolt - if you don't call people names when you attack them - but attack them you do - is that ok?
For instance you said -
I don't condemn them for attacking muslims but I condemn them for not being smart enough to do otherwise.
Calling people unintelligent seems like an attack.
Maybe you all just have different types of debate styles.

No one can help you chill out like Louis Prima!

cjd · « **Reply #93 on:** July 14, 2007, 08:03:41 AM »

Quote from: bullcat3 on July 14, 2007, 07:36:18 AM

Quote from: thunderbolt on July 13, 2007, 11:26:23 PM
Za'ev, the comments were directed at the anti-Christian comments made by these evil degenerate posters. You knew that likely but still tried to misconstrue my comments. And please, I'm not so gutless that I'd edit my post after the fact. My comments pale in comparison to some of the garbage that they've said in the past.

And no, I still think they're the scum of the earth. Why? They're the reason JTF will always be small-time. They're unintelligent people who are either too lazy or too stupid to tackle issues in a logical manner. The strength of conservative movements should always be in their substance and reasoning. Our beliefs are solid while those of our enemies(Islam/Liberalism) are not. Unfortunately these ogres spewing their garbage will turn otherwise reasonable people off JTF. I don't condemn them for attacking muslims but I condemn them for not being smart enough to do otherwise. And there is a way to deal logically with muslims. You defend yourself against them and stop the spread of their faith. That means promoting principled conservatism, stopping their immigration and cutting off welfare to their disgusting countries. That doesn't include randomly running around assaulting muslims. That doesn't include advocating mass killings.

Several posters are unabashed and unapologetic Christian-haters. I'm calling a spade a spade. I have no doubt if there was no Islam they'd be saying these terrible things about us too.

Lastly, nobody seems to want to get ftf's back on this. I got your back ftf. One ftf is worth a million newmans or muckdefuslims.
Thunderbolt - if you don't call people names when you attack them - but attack them you do - is that ok?
For instance you said -
I don't condemn them for attacking muslims but I condemn them for not being smart enough to do otherwise.
Calling people unintelligent seems like an attack.
Maybe you all just have different types of debate styles.

No one can help you chill out like Louis Prima!

I don't know Bullcat there is something unsettling about the monkeys and gorillas in that youtube video

nessuno · « **Reply #94 on:** July 14, 2007, 08:25:55 AM »

Yes - I know

but what can it be?

Nic Brookes · « **Reply #95 on:** July 14, 2007, 08:39:41 AM »

Quote from: thunderbolt on July 13, 2007, 11:26:23 PM

Za'ev, the comments were directed at the anti-Christian comments made by these evil degenerate posters. You knew that likely but still tried to misconstrue my comments. And please, I'm not so gutless that I'd edit my post after the fact. My comments pale in comparison to some of the garbage that they've said in the past.

And no, I still think they're the scum of the earth. Why? They're the reason JTF will always be small-time. They're unintelligent people who are either too lazy or too stupid to tackle issues in a logical manner. The strength of conservative movements should always be in their substance and reasoning. Our beliefs are solid while those of our enemies(Islam/Liberalism) are not. Unfortunately these ogres spewing their garbage will turn otherwise reasonable people off JTF. I don't condemn them for attacking muslims but I condemn them for not being smart enough to do otherwise. And there is a way to deal logically with muslims. You defend yourself against them and stop the spread of their faith. That means promoting principled conservatism, stopping their immigration and cutting off welfare to their disgusting countries. That doesn't include randomly running around assaulting muslims. That doesn't include advocating mass killings.

Several posters are unabashed and unapologetic Christian-haters. I'm calling a spade a spade. I have no doubt if there was no Islam they'd be saying these terrible things about us too.

Lastly, nobody seems to want to get ftf's back on this. I got your back ftf. One ftf is worth a million newmans or muckdefuslims.

No matter whether someone agrees with this, it is a logical, well thought out post.

nessuno · « **Reply #96 on:** July 14, 2007, 09:50:53 AM »

I think the content of Thunderbolt's post can be perceived as insulting/attacking some members and JTF on a whole.
I may at times disagree with FTF but I don't ever think he isn't extremely bright and that he respects JTF.
Why join in a forum for which you have so little regard?
To me it seems Thunderbolt spends way too much time attacking the forum - rather then debating issues/ideas.

Sarah · « **Reply #97 on:** July 14, 2007, 03:45:21 PM »

Quote from: ftf on July 13, 2007, 01:22:45 PM

Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim, you know, the really annoying administrator guy who is completely two faced and has double standards.

Yacov is a great administrator, everybody has someone they don't get along with.

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I got into an argument with a 17 year old Muslim woman the yesterday and I asked her all of the "hard" questions, like what is dar al Islam and what is dar al harb. She got completely pwned by everything I said to her and I completely dominated her, she didn't even know how respond to what I was saying. She was so clueless about her "faith" that she didn't know many of the fundamental parts of Islam. Needless to say, she was not shaken at all in her faith. I got her MSN address so maybe I'll invite her to the forum to have it out with us.

Ze'ev Jabotinsky, honestly speaking, i myself never knew much about this concept and i even asked some very religious muslims who only knew an impartial amount. Its not called dar al Islam as if its a method of some sort, there is a belief that muslims will rise and run the world in the future but heck dar al Islam is just a name given to it that some people use. When translated, to some it just means house of islam.....and can be used to a lot of current states such as saudi etc, world dar al islam is an aim of some and to others a predestined belief.

TheCoon · « **Reply #98 on:** July 14, 2007, 03:52:32 PM »

Quote from: bullcat3 on July 14, 2007, 09:50:53 AM

I think the content of Thunderbolt's post can be perceived as insulting/attacking some members and JTF on a whole.
I may at times disagree with FTF but I don't ever think he isn't extremely bright and that he respects JTF.
Why join in a forum for which you have so little regard?
To me it seems Thunderbolt spends way too much time attacking the forum - rather then debating issues/ideas.

I used to hold this forum in high regard before it went berserk attracting small-time e-thugs.

Nic Brookes · « **Reply #99 on:** July 14, 2007, 04:11:44 PM »

Quote from: thunderbolt on July 14, 2007, 03:52:32 PM

Quote from: bullcat3 on July 14, 2007, 09:50:53 AM
I think the content of Thunderbolt's post can be perceived as insulting/attacking some members and JTF on a whole.
I may at times disagree with FTF but I don't ever think he isn't extremely bright and that he respects JTF.
Why join in a forum for which you have so little regard?
To me it seems Thunderbolt spends way too much time attacking the forum - rather then debating issues/ideas.

I used to hold this forum in high regard before it went berserk attracting small-time e-thugs.

BUT DO NOT LEAVE. I thoght I would leave but I didn't and I don't regret it