Quite a holiday Passover is!!!

[Dr. Dan]

It made me think on the last day of Passover the implications behind what took place.  If Passover and the Exodus never took place, all of us Jews would be Egyptians living in a hell hole. 

Absolutely amazing what a turn of history this was when we were freed from slavery!

[Dr. Dan]

I'll add, without Jews being freed, here would be no Christianity either...As far as I'm concerned, most of us would still be Egyptian or something even messier.

[muman613]

It made me think on the last day of Passover the implications behind what took place.  If Passover and the Exodus never took place, all of us Jews would be Egyptians living in a hell hole. 

Absolutely amazing what a turn of history this was when we were freed from slavery!

Shalom Dr Dan,

You just thought of this on the 'last day of Passover'? Didn't you have a seder and read the Haggadah? We say this verbatim during the seder night...

"If our forefathers were not liberated from Mitzrayim we would all still be slaves in Egypt"...

http://www.torah.org/learning/yomtov/pesach/5768hoff.html

http://www.chabad.org/holidays/passover/pesach_cdo/aid/1814210/jewish/Would-We-Still-Be-Slaves-in-Egypt.htm

[muman613]

Here is the section from the Chabad Haggadah:

http://www.chabad.org/holidays/passover/pesach_cdo/aid/661624/jewish/English-Haggadah.htm

We were slaves to Pharaoh in Egypt, and the L-rd, our G-d, took us out from there with a strong hand and with an outstretched arm. If the Holy One, blessed be He, had not taken our fathers out of Egypt, then we, our children and our children's children would have remained enslaved to Pharaoh in Egypt. Even if all of us were wise, all of us understanding, all of us knowing the Torah, we would still be obligated to discuss the exodus from Egypt; and everyone who discusses the exodus from Egypt at length is praiseworthy.

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

See Rav Kahane's Haggadah and his explanation about we and our children etc. would still be slaves to Pharoah in Egypt and the slave mentality. Very interesting.

[muman613]

Also learn from Dayenue (It would have been enough):

Hebrew Lyrics: Ilu Hotzi-anu Mi-mitzra-yim Da-yeinu

If He had brought us out from Egypt, and had not carried out judgments against them Dayenu, it would have sufficed us!

If He had carried out judgments against them, and not against their idols Dayenu, it would have sufficed us!

If He had destroyed their idols, and had not smitten their first-born Dayenu, it would have sufficed us!

If He had smitten their first-born, and had not given us their wealth Dayenu, it would have sufficed us!

If He had given us their wealth, and had not split the sea for us Dayenu, it would have sufficed us!

If He had split the sea for us, and had not taken us through it on dry land Dayenu, it would have sufficed us!

If He had taken us through the sea on dry land, and had not drowned our oppressors in it Dayenu, it would have sufficed us!

If He had drowned our oppressors in it, and had not supplied our needs in the desert for forty years Dayenu, it would have sufficed us!

If He had supplied our needs in the desert for forty years, and had not fed us the manna Dayenu, it would have sufficed us!

If He had fed us the manna, and had not given us the Shabbat Dayenu, it would have sufficed us!

If He had given us the Shabbat, and had not brought us before Mount Sinai Dayenu, it would have sufficed us!

If He had brought us before Mount Sinai, and had not given us the Torah Dayenu, it would have sufficed us!

If He had given us the Torah, and had not brought us into the land of Israel Dayenu, it would have sufficed us!

If He had brought us into the land of Israel, and had not built for us the Beit Habechirah (Chosen House; the Beit Hamikdash) Dayenu, it would have sufficed us!

[Binyamin Yisrael]

The World would not exist had we not accepted The Torah at Mount Sinai.

Also, did anyone ever consider the fact that just like 80% of the Jews died in the Plague of Darkness, while 80% of American Jews voted for Obama (the President of Darkness)?

[Binyamin Yisrael]

See Rav Kahane's Haggadah and his explanation about we and our children etc. would still be slaves to Pharoah in Egypt and the slave mentality. Very interesting.

You mean his son's Hagaddah of the Jewish Idea?

[Debbie Shafer]

Yes, without the Jewish people, Christians would not have received the gospel..we would have no hope for salvation!

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

You mean his son's Hagaddah of the Jewish Idea?

 Yepp. Last name is Kahane as well, many (if not most) lessons are taken from Rav Meir Kahane's books and works though.

[Binyamin Yisrael]

Yes, without the Jewish people, Christians would not have received the gospel..we would have no hope for salvation!

That's not relevant to Passover. Gentiles only need the Noahide Laws for salvation, not a false religion that came 1,500 years later. This is not appropriate for a Jewish forum.

[Binyamin Yisrael]

Yepp. Last name is Kahane as well, many (if not most) lessons are taken from Rav Meir Kahane's books and works though.

I have 2 of them. I bought one in 2003 and the other one somehow appeared at the front door. I don't know where it came from. Maybe Eliyahu HaNavi put it there?

[muman613]

I have 2 of them. I bought one in 2003 and the other one somehow appeared at the front door. I don't know where it came from. Maybe Eliyahu HaNavi put it there?

I know Eliyahu is out there today.... He showed up on Rosh Hashanah at a service I attended and made the minyan, nobody ever saw this 'man' before, and he disappeared after the service and did not eat with us.... This is a story I will always remember...

[Sveta]

I know Eliyahu is out there today.... He showed up on Rosh Hashanah at a service I attended and made the minyan, nobody ever saw this 'man' before, and he disappeared after the service and did not eat with us.... This is a story I will always remember...

That's incredible!

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

I have 2 of them. I bought one in 2003 and the other one somehow appeared at the front door. I don't know where it came from. Maybe Eliyahu HaNavi put it there?

 Nice 

 I wonder where the books are being sold these days (I see some at Amazon which I just ordered another one) but I might want to get this Haggadah for others and I dont see it being sold.

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Haggada_of_the_Jewish_Idea

[Sveta]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Haggada_of_the_Jewish_Idea

Thanks to your link, I found this:

http://www.amazon.com/Haggada-Jewish-Idea-Binyamin-Kahane/dp/9659050909/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1365043034&sr=1-1&keywords=Binyamin+Kahane

Other places claim to have it online for free but all the links are expired! http://kahane.blogspot.com/2007_03_01_archive.html

[Binyamin Yisrael]

HaIvri published them back in 2003.

[Lisa]

That's not relevant to Passover. Gentiles only need the Noahide Laws for salvation, not a false religion that came 1,500 years later. This is not appropriate for a Jewish forum.

Easy, Binyamin.  We Jews believe in Judaism.  The Christians believe in Christianity.  I think Debbie was just alluding to the fact that Christianity came from Judaism. 

[Dr. Dan]

On this Seder I thought of other implications like how it's good to eat matza because it is the bread of our freedom and not affliction.

Shalom Dr Dan,

You just thought of this on the 'last day of Passover'? Didn't you have a seder and read the Haggadah? We say this verbatim during the seder night...

"If our forefathers were not liberated from Mitzrayim we would all still be slaves in Egypt"...

http://www.torah.org/learning/yomtov/pesach/5768hoff.html

http://www.chabad.org/holidays/passover/pesach_cdo/aid/1814210/jewish/Would-We-Still-Be-Slaves-in-Egypt.htm