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muman613:
--- Quote from: mord on June 24, 2013, 11:16:55 AM ---Paul created Christianity Jesus was just into reinterpretation of Judaism alot less so then modern deformed and some Conservatives.If he lived today he would be Just another Jewish Rabbi who no Jew would complain about.
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I strongly disagree with this statement mord. Both Reform and Conservative reject the 'trinity' and the idea that a man could be G-d, and that he was Moshiach. Maybe they are similar in that they reject the divinity of the Scripture and disregard the 613 mitzvot. But I was Bar Mitzvahed in Conservative shul and it is NOTHING like Christianity.
Tag-MehirTzedek:
--- Quote from: mord on June 24, 2013, 11:16:55 AM ---Paul created Christianity Jesus was just into reinterpretation of Judaism alot less so then modern deformed and some Conservatives.If he lived today he would be Just another Jewish Rabbi who no Jew would complain about.
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No Jew would complain about? Huh? Maybe not the politically correct Jews, yea I agree with that but he did do things very anti-Jewish and against the Torah. He also went back and forth at times saying one thing and then another thing (the opposite).
for example he publicly desecrated Shabbat even though their was no need to (like a life risk) and then he said to follow the laws of Shabbat and follow the Pharasis (Rabbis). So definitely a confused individual.
mord:
He was giving an example like dovid did when he took the challah from the the ahron HaKodesh.He was Just agasinst the rich Jews who didn't care about the poor.Many people say he was an essene ,but others claim he himself was pharrisse.In any event Paul caused the trouble Does this sound like a self hating Jew http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080613120536AAA1w6f
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What is the significance of Jesus' reference to Gentiles as dogs?
The story is told in Matthew 15:21-28 and Mark 7:24-30. In it he refuses to exorcise the daughter of a Syro-Phoenician woman, a Gentile, referring to her as a dog, while there are still Jews to cater for; he only relents when the mother begs for scraps like a dog.
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Yes, that's sad, but Jesus indeed never liked Gentiles. He considered them like dogs
and pigs. Interesting that he did cure that woman's daughter but because he recognised her condition of dog and would be happy with the crumbs from the table of the masters.
Also when he was delivering the Sermon of the Mount to a crowd of Jews, he warned them not to give what's holy to the dogs or cast their pearls before swine. That's in Matthew 7:6. Obviously, if he was talking to the Jews, he was talking about the Gentiles.
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Tag-MehirTzedek:
Mord just because jesus called gentiles "dogs" and other such negative things doesn't make him a good Jew.
1) We as Jews don't consider someone or refer to someone as a "dog" or such just because he is a gentile and we generally respect different people. Now if they are an enemy like the Arab-Nazis of today I have no problem and I do refer to them as dogs.
2 That (even if you somehow equate him being some "right-wing" nationalistic Jew still doesn't take away the fact that he did some things against Jewish law and even he admitted it and in other places he said to follow it. Soo he basically condemns himself. by his actions and his words.
and P.S. fyi I dont understand how any gentile can seriously look up to him after seeing the way he spoke about them. They should be more offended by him and his words then the Jews could ever be.
Also just to add to your comment, it would be like saying that someone who calls himself a Kahanist and makes extreme nationalistic statements but then advocates the eating of pork is a good Jew and on top of that a good Rabbi that no Jew can or should oppose.
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