Bennett on BBC

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

And I don't know what you mean that Haredim are destroying themselves. They existed long before the modern state of Israel, and they will exist long after it falls (if it should fall).

 With their stupidity and superstition. Many of them will be dragged to the army and not even prepared. Go to total Hiloni units while they could have made proper accommodations and be part of Nachal Haredi and such.
 Others even worse. Getting thrown into jail, having a police record and such.
 Their ideology is based on Sheker and the Hachamim says it doesn't last.

 existed---- Not too long. Maybe 200 years MAX. (and we do not know the future).

 And Israel isn't even from 1948, but a revival of what we had before from 2,000 years ago. So, no, this is what they are lead to believe and what they convince themselves with. Moses had a streimel you know.

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

They existed long before the modern state of Israel, and they will exist long after it falls (if it should fall).

 I hope your not repeating what one of them said on Arutz Sheva. A complete tepesh. (him not you).

[muman613]

It is known how long the Haredim have been in the land.

I have never heard anyone suggest that Moses wore a Striemel. Where do you come up with these straw hat issues?

You assert that Haredim ideology is based on Sheker? According to who? From what I understand they keep the Shulchan Orach, like every religious Jew.

Also I don't know what anyone said on A7.... I said that because I believe that they will survive no matter what you or Lapid think...

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

It is known how long the Haredim have been in the land.

I have never heard anyone suggest that Moses wore a Striemel. Where do you come up with these straw hat issues?

You assert that Haredim ideology is based on Sheker? According to who? From what I understand they keep the Shulchan Orach, like every religious Jew.

Also I don't know what anyone said on A7.... I said that because I believe that they will survive no matter what you or Lapid think...

 Not in the land, in general. The "Haredi"  Jew and the "Gedolim" system only lasted up to 200 years, MAX. And mainly in reaction to reform.

 Sheker- on logic. The sources and the real ideology of the Torah.

 Maybe survive, at best. Not to thrive and take the nation where it needs to go. They will just wait for a mystical Moshiah that will never come (the one they are waiting for and not the one that will be made).
 
 Another major problem. They only keep the Shulhan Aruch. Its a limited book on every day life. It doesn't have major parts of the Torah including Korbanot (2/3 of the Misswoth) including other things as well. So because it isn't in the SA it doesn't exist! And the SA although a great book really dumbed them down a lot. If its not in the SA it doesn't exist, if it contradicts the SA it must be wrong! They don't and refuse to use their brain. At most they are a good tape recorder.

[muman613]

I will not argue with you any more about this tonight. I have to eat and I want to post the weekly 'Torah study' thread shortly...

I do not agree with you about this. I do think there are problems with the Hardedim, but I support their study of Torah and their mitzvot.

I stand against Lapid as one who represents Bittul Torah (nullification of the Torah, Heaven Forbid)...

We may discuss this some other time...

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

About the streimel- I meant both physically and psychologically.
 This is how Moshe Rabbeinu is presented in many of their children's books. You see a picture of Moshe with a streimel on his head. This is literally like this, but more than that with this they try to send that their way and their mentality and being is the one of Moshe Rabbeinu. LOL this is much more silly then Xtians putting a white guy with blue eyes of yoshka. Did he really have very white skin and blue eyes? Most likely no, but they (White European Xtians) portray him in their own image. He was most likely brown. Just like the Haredim put a frickin streimel on the head of Moshe Rabbeinu. Would Moshe have something worn in cold bitter Eastern Europe, or more likely something like a Turban of the Middle East (and Turbans are actually praised in the Talmudh, even the Hummash as well for the Kohanim at least.)

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

Their version of Moshe Rabbeinu.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/Members_of_Neturei_Karta_Orthodox_Jewish_group_protest_against_Israel.jpg

[muman613]

Do you know what you are talking about or are you just telling me what you have heard?

I know Jews who wear striemels and they don't suggest that Moses wore one. Rather they acknowledge it comes from the 'old country'...

I think you are just raging for some reason. You need to relax a little. Your posts have grown pretty ugly lately.

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

  Yea I know what I'm talking about, open up some of their books. And yeas, of-course if you talk to an adult and ask (therefore make them think about it) they will tell you, but if you don't and they are young and they see these types of pictures this is what they consciously and more importantly subconsciously grow to believe. Just like Christians or anyone when you ask them about yoshka the image that pops up is this or similar to this

 https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRfl571ezoKGEa_WM5uxg1hLCWLapHsyvHt2w7WMYbIJI_F7kguXg

 Although if you ask some liberals its more like this
 http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/the-truth.jpg

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Nafraudi is a threat to the survival of Israel and, by extension, the Western world. Who is more dangerous: our dumb enemies or our smart ones?

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

Nafraudi is a threat to the survival of Israel and, by extension, the Western world. Who is more dangerous: our dumb enemies or our smart ones?

 naa, Bennett is a great defender of Israel. He isn't perfect perhaps, but he is a great soldier and does great things (I know go jump on me with his mistakes and such) but he is only part of the coalition and a part (not the whole) of the government. Him and his party definitely does good and is a great part of the government. Let's not kid ourselves about that. If he was to leave things would be a lot worse. He puts the needed pressure and even legislation and demands (obviously proportional to his seats and such).

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

Nafraudi is a threat to the survival of Israel and, by extension, the Western world. Who is more dangerous: our dumb enemies or our smart ones?

 and he isn't an enemy of Israel. This is a retarded thing to say. The guy who defends Israel both physically with his body and with the political process and such. Bigger enemy then others? Lunacy.

 He is not the head of the government, he knows it, we know it therefore he is limited. This is the political process and that is how it works. Staying in the opposition all the time isn't (or maybe it could be) the best policy politically. Or maybe it is, but bottom line is that their is a system and he is working within the system and doing and saying great things. The video above and the way he answers that British faggot makes me proud of him.
 
 His main thing is to hault the giving away of Israel process. Like a sort of brakes, perhaps we can and should go beyond those brakes to actual transfer one day, but never-the-less their are breaks and It is very good and needed to have them. Get what you can.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

naa, Bennett is a great defender of Israel. He isn't perfect perhaps, but he is a great soldier and does great things (I know go jump on me with his mistakes and such) but he is only part of the coalition and a part (not the whole) of the government. Him and his party definitely does good and is a great part of the government. Let's not kid ourselves about that. If he was to leave things would be a lot worse. He puts the needed pressure and even legislation and demands (obviously proportional to his seats and such).

Chaim has been exposing this phony money-grubbing "rightist" for months; where have you been?

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

Chaim has been exposing this phony money-grubbing "rightist" for months; where have you been?

 I make my own opinions. I know we can't get 100% what we would like, but overall I see him positively.

 And money-grubbing? Really. That's wrong and disgusting to accuse him of. Just because he was personally successful in his start up doesn't make him "money-grubbing", if anything he did a lot of personal self sacrifice because he could have just go and enjoy his money, partying and spending it all over the world and such, but instead he came back and went back to the reserves when called upon and fought in wars and battles. That makes him a true hero and not "money-grubbing", I don't get where you get this stupidity from. I can understand disagreeing with some of his political actions, but money-grubbing? Seriously? I hope its not one of those Jew-hating stereotypes.

 FYI I don't think that Chaim or other's still shouldn't attack from the Right, but that is to push them more to the Right instead of having hatred towards him and those who voted for him. Disagreement doesn't mean I should think or call them traitors. This is the divisive actions that lead to the downfall of Am Yisrael and into galut (close to) 2,000 years ago, we should not repeat these mistakes.

[Yerusha]

For Bennett to have reached the rank of Major in the Sayeret Matkal he had to have had leadership, intelligence, military faculties & integrity.

Should there ever be a military coup in Israel, which is a distinct possibility, Bennett has a following in Zahal of loyal soldiers who would obey his orders to seize the Knesset, the President's Office, the Bank of Israel and IBA TV and radio stations from the Leftists, Subversives and Erev Ravniks

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

I make my own opinions. I know we can't get 100% what we would like, but overall I see him positively.

 And money-grubbing? Really. That's wrong and disgusting to accuse him of. Just because he was personally successful in his start up doesn't make him "money-grubbing", if anything he did a lot of personal self sacrifice because he could have just go and enjoy his money, partying and spending it all over the world and such, but instead he came back and went back to the reserves when called upon and fought in wars and battles. That makes him a true hero and not "money-grubbing", I don't get where you get this stupidity from. I can understand disagreeing with some of his political actions, but money-grubbing? Seriously? I hope its not one of those Jew-hating stereotypes.

 FYI I don't think that Chaim or other's still shouldn't attack from the Right, but that is to push them more to the Right instead of having hatred towards him and those who voted for him. Disagreement doesn't mean I should think or call them traitors. This is the divisive actions that lead to the downfall of Am Yisrael and into galut (close to) 2,000 years ago, we should not repeat these mistakes.

The man is worth $150 million US dollars. With that kind of financing he could actually fund Hayamin and take care of all of our financial woes or create his own movement all on his own to demand that Chaim be allowed into Israel and that Pollard be allowed to make aliyah. It would be impossible to ignore a person or movement with that kind of financial power, especially in a very small country like Israel. Has he done that? What has he done with all of that gelt Hashem has given him?

Your opinion, that Bennett is generally a good guy and is sincerely right-wing, for the most part, is better suited to Feiglin. He's not a real Kahanist but he's a sincere guy that wants a real Jewish state. If Feiglin had that kind of money I do believe he'd be using it for the aforementioned purposes.

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

  So if he doesn't spend his money for Chaim that makes him a traitor? Let's say that Feiglin has this money you think he would spend it on Chaim and Hayamin? What is this? Anyone who isn't willing to spend or even support Hayamin is an automatic traitor? WTF?


  He has his own political party he is part of and his ideas. We can disagree but that doesn't make him a traitor in the least. Sense. At this point I ask with this view point who isn't a "traitor" in Israel? are we to join the NK at this point because this is how their ideology in great parts lead them to.
 
  And about Hayamin, how do we even know that he knows about it? Who besides Chaim now is a leader in it (in Israel for example)?

 Bennett actually unites the nation and a lot of even secular Jews voted for his party. I think he is a major and will be a major figure in time to come and the PM as well (very possible). Then as part of his coalition (already are Tekuma party) and even more Right Wing like Hayamin will join and pull more to the Right from within the Coalition. Its a fact, the country is going more and more to the right, this is a good stepping stone instead of total abandonment and making the country look down upon us and Rav Kahane's message, because people in the army are respected and loved while those who say not to fight are despised.

[Irish Zionist]

Naftali Bennett: John Kerry is not Anti-Semitic
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/177569#.Uw-C-YX5ASl

Naftali Bennett Condemns ‘Price Tag’ Attacks on Muslim and Christian Sites as ‘Un-Jewish’
http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/06/19/naftali-bennett-condemns-%E2%80%98price-tag%E2%80%99-attacks-on-muslim-and-christian-sites-as-%E2%80%98un-jewish%E2%80%99/

They are all one in the same.

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

Makes him a traitor?


 If Chaim takes over will he raze the Christian places including Churches?

[Irish Zionist]

Makes him a traitor?


 If Chaim takes over will he raze the Christian places including Churches?

Of course ignore the Kerry and Muslim Mosque quote.
I don't speak for Chaim, u'll have to ask him.
But the fact that he condemned the very fighters U support doesn't even waver you. Sad.

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

Of course ignore the Kerry and Muslim Mosque quote.
I don't speak for Chaim, u'll have to ask him.
But the fact that he condemned the very fighters U support doesn't even waver you. Sad.

 Didn't say I agree with him, and had no intention to ignore the first (just happened), yes its sad and wrong what he said, doesn't make him a traitor never-the-less for doing so. Just makes and means he is weak.

 About me asking if Chaim will destroy the Churches, I think he would obviously say no and not do so. Does that make him a traitor for not, after all its not going by the Torah 100%, obviously not.

 And I already asked my Ask JTF question and their is little space, I don't want to waste it with this question.
 

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Real churches that accept Israeli sovereignty should be allowed to exist in Israel and have the freedom to worship. But I think we all know that a great many "churches" in Israel are fronts for Fakestinian radicalism and terror.

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

Real churches that accept Israeli sovereignty should be allowed to exist in Israel and have the freedom to worship. But I think we all know that a great many "churches" in Israel are fronts for Fakestinian radicalism and terror.

 That's your opinion. Maybe not something that in the far future Moshiah will allow.

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

Christians won't have any problems after Moshiach comes. Everyone will follow law properly.

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

  Whatever, I reread my comment's back, I didn't mean to offend, but to state that their are obvious differences and not everything ideally can and should be implemented. And if someone doesn't agree to it, it doesn't make them a traitor or a bad Jew.