Italians and Other Mediterranean Racial Groups

[EagleEye]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinaric_race
http://racialreality.110mb.com/subraces.html  its down in the middle there

[Hail Columbia]

* The Rumantsch, speakers of the Rumantsch language, settling in parts of the Grisons, historically of Raetic stock.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_%28people%29

What is that?

Also, would you classify the Italian-speaking Swiss as "Italians"?

The Romansh is a Romance ethnic group, and the Italian-speaking Swiss are ethnically Italian, but see themselves as being Swiss.

[EagleEye]

Armenoids are a geographical variant of the Dinaric subtype, therefore, Romanians/Serbs/Bulgarians are fairly similar to ashkenazi Jews.

What is Dinaric a sub-type of, Alpine?

I believe not, though Dinarics may be mixed with some amount.  Alpines would be slavs, typical Polish or Russian person.

[Hail Columbia]

* the Romands, traditionally speaking Franco-Provençal dialects, today largely assimilated to the standard French language (Swiss French), amalgamated from the Gallo-Roman population and Burgundians (the historical Upper Burgundy). They are closely related to the French (especially those of Franche-Comte).

So that brings us to the question of what is the makeup of The French? I know the native French population (Those from the original Gaul.) are related to the original inhabitants of The British Isles [The Galic-speaking peoples of Wales (Derived from "Gaul".), Scotland, and Ireland.]. I think these French still live in Britanny and Normandy. All these people are descendants of Gomer, from Japheth, son of Noah.

The French people are made up of a mixture of Gauls (Celtic), Franks (Germanic), and Romans.

[EagleEye]

I think that this gentic testing has proven that although Jews tend to be either ashkenazi or sephardic, it is membership to a religious community that makes someone truly Jewish, not genetics.  Someone with a Jewish father clearly has Jewish DNA, but is not Jewish by Orthodox standards.  Someone with no Jewish DNA can convert.

Jews are not a race.

[EagleEye]

while that which remained in Asia Minor became assimilated into the Dinaric and Armenoid.

What you posted there is very consistent with what I was saying earlier.

[Ashkenazi]

I mean white as in their blood line overall thats the only way to find a solid yes or no, personally I dont think their white no freakin way (maybe part white) my best friend is italian also others aswell and to me they dont look or act white. Last time I checked italians have thick curly hair, are real hairy, big lips, and have different facial features contrary to those we know as pure caucasians such as swedes, germans, danes, you get the point and now excuse my amature genetic analysis but last time I checked thick or curly hair isnt white big lips not white. I think that 20% of italians are pure white Ive seen some (rarely) that look white as in comparable to a german, but think that the obvious (majority) are mixed with arab or something non white because I refuse to denie what my eyes tell me about their appearance.

Arabs are white so Arab blood mixed with Italian blood is still white.

I will not tolerate your Anti-Mediterranean racist statements on here. You talk like a German Nazi who claims that only "Aryans" [sic] are white. Of course Germans are not Aryans and Nazis consider real Aryans to be non-white because they are white Asians, not European. But the stupid Nazis thought that "the German race" was "the true Aryan race".

Anti-Mediterranean? how didnt you read my post? didnt I say that my best friend was italian and that I have other italian friends? When I said white I meant just that (100% white people as in swedes and ext) I wasnt belittling mediterraneans in any form just stating a personal thought. I talk like a german nazi? I guess thats pre talk that'll eventually leed up to you calling me a nazi right? dont forget your writing to a jew not just any jew a ashkenazi jew in which 6,000,000 of my own were murdered by those animals and you have the nerve to say that I talk like nazi because in last post I said that italians, arabs, and ext are not the same as northern euro's, well they're not same are they? Anyways hopefully this better interpritation of my last post clears any suspitions of me being a nazi.

[Ultra Requete]

The Indo-Europeans are made of Germnics, Slavic, Romantic, and Celtic nations plus few others like Albanians or Greeks; they're other like Basks and Ugro_fines like Hungarians and Finns all are white skined and caucasoid; that's science all this antroplologicall mambo-jumbo about hierarhy of races and sub races is good for nazis; Did you realise haw people in Roman Empire migrated and mixed from one province to another; or haw the in the migaration periods changed the continent? The Est gemans are more slavic then germanics for ex; and bavarian are  partialy of roman ancestry; Do you noticed that  in Germany the Rhienland and Bavaria which were before V century Germanic Invasion roman stayed Roman Catholic after reformation? culture and etnicity is more important than mithical "Race" Ashkenazi Jews are still Jewish mediterean or not. BYW Khazars were Turkic nation not "Nordic" or "Aryan" and hardly European living in Est Ukraine and Volga region not Poland or Belarus. But when they converted into Judaism they become Jews period.     

[Erica]

There are probably less divorced blacks than whites because most blacks never get married to begin with.  Just look at the rates of out-of-wedlock births in the black community, it is astronomical.

I know some African American couples who have been together for the better part of 25 years but never got married...they also had children. They were scared of commitment, a binding peice of paper. How do you explain the divorces of white couples in America?

That's not a good example because they should have got married. That's still a form of illegitimacy.

Are you ligitimate? If so, why does it matter to you whether someone gets married or not? You don't even think blacks are human, or have any worth. Why does it matter if they get married or not?

[Erica]

There are probably less divorced blacks than whites because most blacks never get married to begin with.  Just look at the rates of out-of-wedlock births in the black community, it is astronomical.

I know some African American couples who have been together for the better part of 25 years but never got married...they also had children. They were scared of commitment, a binding peice of paper. How do you explain the divorces of white couples in America?

That's not a good example because they should have got married. That's still a form of illegitimacy.

Legally, I believe this is a form of common-law marriage.

It is, Daniel. In Chicago after 7 years, common law marriage is what it is...a marriage just with no ceremony or licence.

[Erica]

There are probably less divorced blacks than whites because most blacks never get married to begin with.  Just look at the rates of out-of-wedlock births in the black community, it is astronomical.

I know some African American couples who have been together for the better part of 25 years but never got married...they also had children. They were scared of commitment, a binding peice of paper. How do you explain the divorces of white couples in America?

That's not a good example because they should have got married. That's still a form of illegitimacy.

Are you ligitimate? If so, why does it matter to you whether someone gets married or not? You don't even think blacks are himan, or have any worth. Why does it matter if they get married or not?

They should get married because G-d doesn't allow harlotry. G-d gave blacks free will just like He gave whites. It just so happens to be that most blacks choose evil.

And you're choosing to be evil. You don't have a heaven or a hell to put anyone in Yacov. You can't tell people when to get married.

[Erica]

Are you legitimate?

Yes.

Good for you...so am I...sort of. LOL My mom and dad decided to get married 4 months after I was born... My birthday is February 1, 1974... My mom and dad's wedding day was June 20, 1974 *Father's Day*.

[newman]

Are you legitimate?

Yes.

Good for you...so am I...sort of. LOL My mom and dad decided to get married 4 months after I was born... My birthday is February 1, 1974... My mom and dad's wedding day was June 20, 1974 *Father's Day*.

You're making a discussion about a group's behaviour into something personal about YOU as an individual again.

[Erica]

I asked you a personal question and I told you something personal about me. No harm no foul.

Since you want to point out specifics though, you didn't tell me what someone else NOT getting married has to do with you and your personal life. You convieniently left that out of the above quote.

[newman]

Are you legitimate?

Yes.

Good for you...so am I...sort of. LOL My mom and dad decided to get married 4 months after I was born... My birthday is February 1, 1974... My mom and dad's wedding day was June 20, 1974 *Father's Day*.

I asked you a personal question and I told you something personal about me. No harm no foul.

Since you want to point out specifics though, you didn't tell me what someone else NOT getting married has to do with you and your personal life. You convieniently left that out of the above quote.
You're making a discussion about a group's behaviour into something personal about YOU as an individual again.

The personal lives of others are affected by un-married parents because their bastard children grow up to be muggers and criminals.

[Erica]

And you've proven us right about blacks not getting married before they have kids. Are you parents still married?

Also, aren't your step-children illegitimate too?

My parents divorced when I turned 8. It just didn't work out.  And another thing, my stepchildren's mothers weren't married to my husband when they were concieved. They're not Illigitimate, they're worth everything. And we have custody of them. Illegitimate children are children who aren't being taken care of by their mother or dad. They are WELL provided for, thanks.

[newman]

Look up illegitimate in the dictionary.

il·le·git·i·mate  (l-jt-mt)
adj.
1. Against the law; illegal.
2. Born out of wedlock.*******
3. Grammar Not in correct usage.
4. Incorrectly deduced; illogical.
5. Biology Unacceptable as a scientific name because of contradiction to the international rules of nomenclature.

[Erica]

Are you legitimate?

Yes.

Good for you...so am I...sort of. LOL My mom and dad decided to get married 4 months after I was born... My birthday is February 1, 1974... My mom and dad's wedding day was June 20, 1974 *Father's Day*.

I asked you a personal question and I told you something personal about me. No harm no foul.

Since you want to point out specifics though, you didn't tell me what someone else NOT getting married has to do with you and your personal life. You convieniently left that out of the above quote.
You're making a discussion about a group's behaviour into something personal about YOU as an individual again.

The personal lives of others are affected by un-married parents because their bastard children grow up to be muggers and criminals.

Generalizing again...

[Erica]

Look up illegitimate in the dictionary.

Newman already posted it. My children, every one of them are well- taken care of. Calling them or other children illegitimate is setting them up for failure. The same thing happens when you call a child 'n' all their lives. They grow up thinking that's their name and therefore act the part. By the way "n" and "b with an itch" is in the dictionary also..should we go around saying it because its printed in a dictionary?

[Ehud]

Are you legitimate?

Yes.

Good for you...so am I...sort of. LOL My mom and dad decided to get married 4 months after I was born... My birthday is February 1, 1974... My mom and dad's wedding day was June 20, 1974 *Father's Day*.

I asked you a personal question and I told you something personal about me. No harm no foul.

Since you want to point out specifics though, you didn't tell me what someone else NOT getting married has to do with you and your personal life. You convieniently left that out of the above quote.
You're making a discussion about a group's behaviour into something personal about YOU as an individual again.

The personal lives of others are affected by un-married parents because their bastard children grow up to be muggers and criminals.

Generalizing again...

Of course he's generalizing.  He never claimed to be not generalizing.  Just use some analysis and realize what his point is.  Children of unmarried parents are more likely to be involved in crime than children of married parents, and that affects the lives of other people.  There, was that so hard?  These are facts.

Also, your changing around of the definition of the word illegitimate isn't going to fly.  The word has a clear definition that everyone here, including yourself, knows, so please don't play any games with us.

I find it funny that you argue to us about your own situation and say that you're always an exception to the rule, but your parents weren't married and your husband has illegitimate children from two different women.  You seem to fit the stereotypical definition in that regard. 

[Erica]

Are you legitimate?

Yes.

Good for you...so am I...sort of. LOL My mom and dad decided to get married 4 months after I was born... My birthday is February 1, 1974... My mom and dad's wedding day was June 20, 1974 *Father's Day*.

I asked you a personal question and I told you something personal about me. No harm no foul.

Since you want to point out specifics though, you didn't tell me what someone else NOT getting married has to do with you and your personal life. You convieniently left that out of the above quote.
You're making a discussion about a group's behaviour into something personal about YOU as an individual again.

The personal lives of others are affected by un-married parents because their bastard children grow up to be muggers and criminals.

Generalizing again...

Of course he's generalizing.  He never claimed to be not generalizing.  Just use some analysis and realize what his point is.  Children of unmarried parents are more likely to be involved in crime than children of married parents, and that affects the lives of other people.  There, was that so hard?  These are facts.

Also, your changing around of the definition of the word illegitimate isn't going to fly.  The word has a clear definition that everyone here, including yourself, knows, so please don't play any games with us.

I find it funny that you argue to us about your own situation and say that you're always an exception to the rule, but your parents weren't married and your husband has illegitimate children from two different women.  You seem to fit the stereotypical definition in that regard. 

I'm no stereotype. But like I said, how does what one person or three people does in their life affect you? How does  my having step daughters who have two different mothers impact your life at all? I never said I was an exception to ANY rule, that's what you and newman say. I'm one of many stepmothers who married men with children.

The word illegitimate is a negative term used to hurt children of broken homes. ANd I told you that my parents WERE married, Yacov. They got married on Father's day to make the day important to my dad. He had all intentions of marrying my mother even before I was thought of, my mom was too young at that time. My mom and dad stayed married for 8 years. They did all they could and it didn't work out.

[Erica]

If she was too young to get married, why was she having sex?

Why are you asking me? I wasn't there... I'm imagining that my grandmother was too afraid to talk to her about sex and she learned through other means.

[Erica]

I'm no stereotype. But like I said, how does what one person or three people does in their life affect you? How does  my having step daughters who have two different mothers impact your life at all? I never said I was an exception to ANY rule, that's what you and newman say. I'm one of many stepmothers who married men with children.

It's not a problem that you married someone with kids or that they have two different mothers. The problem is that your husband was never married to either of the mothers at the time the babies were conceived. But it is indeed commendable that you didn't have kids out of wedlock.

BTW, just because people don't have kids out of wedlock, it doesn't mean it's okay to have sex outside of marriage, even when using "protection".

Yacov, you do know that you're not lord over anyone or their actions, right? If my husband had married the my step-daugthers mothers, they'd have been divorced 2 months afterwards because they both cheated on him. I think it was smart of him not to marry them. That's my opinion though. As for the conception of his kids, he regrets having them so early in life, but never flaked out of caring for them. He loved them from the moment they were born. No matter what the circumstances were,he's still a real man.