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Re: Cornel West
« Reply #25 on: September 17, 2007, 08:12:17 AM »
Sadly Velvill, what you say has a lot of truth.  I personally feel that slavery was the greatest mistake in American history.  The second, would be not compensating them and sending them all back to Africa after slavery ended....  my 2 cents..  We are all suffering now...  Canada too...BIG TIME!!
"‘Vehorashtem/Numbers 33:53’: When you burn out the Land’s inhabitants, you will merit to bestow upon your children the Land as an inheritance. If you do not burn them out, then even if you conquer the Land, you will not merit to allot it to your children as an inheritance." - Ovadiah ben Yacov Sforno; Italian Rabbi, Biblical Commentator, Philosopher and Physician.  1475-1550.

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« Reply #26 on: September 17, 2007, 08:26:34 AM »
Your comments are both funny and sad.  Did you by any chance ever hear of a radio talk show host named Dennis Prager?  He is based here in Los Angeles, so I do not know if his show reaches all the way to Canada. Yes, I have heard Dennis Prager before.  He doen't come to Canada but we can get him in communities near the border.  He is ok but far to Liberal for me.  Granted he did write some fabulous books but his politics is too Left wing for me.  Have you listened to his debate with Rabbi Kahane.  Terrible in all honesty.  Prager's logic and knowlege is some what lagging.  I do like him but he is not one of my favorites. He is better than Michael Deadhead.  Deadhead would be VERY good if he wasn't a stooge for the Republican Party.

In any case, one of his major themes that he keeps coming back to, is the absurd practice of parents working day and night to support their families so that one day, they can pay a life's fortune to send their children off to prestigious universities who will then instruct those same children to rebel against any traditional values the parents stand for.  Yes that is one subject that I think Prager shines is in the moral/family values.  He is very good at that.  I am just not a fan of his politics nor his usage of the term "Pa lestinians" on mass when there is no such animal.  This continual "validation" per say makes it very hard for Israel to justify any "transfer" or true solving of this issue other than committing national suicide by granting a 22nd Arab Muslim Nazi State in Judea and Samaria.

He also has remarked how people very rarely ask each other what college they attended.  How successful one is in one's career has much more to do with the individual person, than with what college they attended.  He therefore recommends choosing a college based on its financial cost, rather than prestige. You are correct.  Prager is also good in these issues.  I do like him when he speaks on the "social" aspect of internal American society. He is pretty much spot on.

Obviously, this does not apply when considering a medical school or law school.  In such cases, the prestige of the university really does make a difference.  But in just about any other field, a state university is just as good, if not better, than the best of Ivy League schools. Again, point out very valid cases... very true..  Many State Schools don't have the mass infiltration of the ultra leftist sub human offal "Professors" or Propagandists...as well like Harvard etc.
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"‘Vehorashtem/Numbers 33:53’: When you burn out the Land’s inhabitants, you will merit to bestow upon your children the Land as an inheritance. If you do not burn them out, then even if you conquer the Land, you will not merit to allot it to your children as an inheritance." - Ovadiah ben Yacov Sforno; Italian Rabbi, Biblical Commentator, Philosopher and Physician.  1475-1550.

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Re: Cornel West
« Reply #27 on: September 17, 2007, 11:46:50 AM »
As a person who prefers the bitter truth to pleasant lies, I do have to agree with a lot of what was said above about Black people.

Yet I stand by the position that I stated elsewhere.  I think that my position on this is the exact opposite of racism, yet in today's politically correct climate, I would be sure to be labeled a racist.  I am sure that there will be people coming from the other side, who will say I am some kind of apologist for the Blacks.

My solution to the Black problem is that we should treat Blacks just like everybody else, neither better nor worse than non-Black people.  I detest the southern mentality that enabled slavery as well as the klansman mentality that would lynch Blacks or leave burning crosses on their lawns.  I find the N word to be a disgusting obscenity which I have never used, and hope to never use in the future.

The truth of the matter is, though, that most of that kind of treatment of Blacks is a thing of the past.  For many decades now, the problem is far more with those who cater to every Black whim, out of fear of being called a racist.  Let me give you some examples.

Affirmative action is a crime as far as I am concerned.  When I see a doctor who is Black, I automatically assume that the person got to where he is because of his skin color rather than his qualifications.  Had there been no affirmative action, I would have no need to think in such a way.  And isn't it absurd that something so important as medicine, should be so political, while basketball, which after all is ultimately just a game, has no notion of quotas?  Where are the pygmy handicapped basketball players?  They are nowhere to be found, because we sports fans love to watch excellence.  But is it more important to see the best sports players play, then to have the best doctors there to help save lives?

Blacks are overrepresented in prisons not because of racism, but because Blacks commit far more violent crime in proportion to their numbers than any other group, with the possible exception of the islamofascists.  If anything, far too many Blacks are released from prison or kept from entering prison at all, out of fear of being labeled as racists.  Every time ANY human being even points a gun at another human being, that person needs to go to jail forever.  Murderers do not deserve to live, and should be executed....whether or not they happen to be Black.

Ebonics is a joke.  Even Jesse Jackson has expressed as much.  All Ebonics is, is the mangling of the English language, and should not be glorified or even tolerated.  Teachers in school should insist on their students learning proper, standard English, and not make excuses for poor grammar skills.

Rap hip hop is garbage.  Screaming and yelling to a loud incessant beat about how all POE-lease should be shot and all women are [censored] and HOES is simply not music.  White guilt is what keeps this industry alive, as more whites than Blacks buy into this trash.  Yet I see no reason why we should not expect Blacks to appreciate Bach and Mozart every bit as much as White people do.

I could go on, but I think my point is clear by now.

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Re: Cornel West
« Reply #28 on: September 17, 2007, 12:01:37 PM »
Anybody who is so politically right of center, that they oppose Republicans, President Bush, Michael Medved, and Dennis Prager, are just too fringe for me to take seriously.  I wonder how such people would feel if, G-d forbid, hitlery rotten clinton would become our next President.  Maybe then, such people will appreciate the Republicans, President Bush, Michael Medved, and Dennis Prager.  I, for one, do not want our country to be in the position where such lessons have to be learned; our country is still paying for electing dhimmi carter for four years; I do not want another such disaster to plague our nation.

That does not necessarily mean that I like everything about, for example, Dennis Prager.  Actually, what bothers me most of all about him are his really narcissistic idiosyncrasies.  He is just so full of himself, so impressed with himself, and no matter what the topic at hand is, he always turns it into a discussion about himself.  This is ironic, given how often he lambasts the liberals for that same narcissism.

I am well aware of the fact that Dennis Prager hates Rabbi Kahane.  In fact, I remember hearing the two debate on the old Ray Bream radio talk show back in the 1980's, and yes, of course Rabbi Kahane won the debate hands down.  A lot of people do not seem to realize just what a brilliant mind Rabbi Kahane had.  People tend to see him as some kind of emotional extremist in a constant state of wild-eyed frenzy, while I see him as an extremely rational and realistic thinker who truly understood what the islamofascists are all about.

So I definitely side with Rabbi Kahane over Dennis Prager.  However, with time, as Dennis realizes more and more that Rabbi Kahane was right (although he would never, ever admit that), he has sounded more and more like Rabbi Kahane over the years, and has found less and less excuse to insult Rabbi Kahane as he used to be so fond of doing. 

Furthermore, I am not so sure that Dennis is even for a two-state solution anymore.  Theoretically, yes, but even he realizes that in the real world, such a solution is meaningless.  There already is a 58 state solution, with us Jews having our one little tiny strip of land, while the islamofacsists control 57 countries.  And all this is besides the obvious fact that the islamofascists have no interest in a two-state solution anyway; giving them a state in the so-called occupied territories would only serve to give them the encouragement they need to murder more and more Jews and take over the rest of Israel.

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Re: Cornel West
« Reply #29 on: September 17, 2007, 01:18:04 PM »
wow.  Until I went onto this forum, I thought I did not like Black people.  Yet compared to some people here, I am practically a soul brother myself!  I wonder how Erica puts up with us bigots.
Toleration. Some people here aren't anything like the biggots I've seen here. So I work from there. Those who aren't rude and crude but I still disagree with them, I respect them anyway. Those who aren't as affluent and must use ebonics to express themselves, and also to make me angry...don't get much respect from me at all.

Aside from that, I dont' like Cornel West. I don't know exactly what it is about him that I dislike but there are a lot of tings that come to mind. His use of ebonics while holding that PHD is attrocious.

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« Reply #30 on: September 17, 2007, 01:29:25 PM »
My solution to the Black problem is that we should treat Blacks just like everybody else, neither better nor worse than non-Black people. 

That would be 'racist'.  Its a good idea though.

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« Reply #31 on: September 17, 2007, 02:25:23 PM »
My solution to the Black problem is that we should treat Blacks just like everybody else, neither better nor worse than non-Black people. 

That would be 'racist'.  Its a good idea though.

Exactly AA and other PC crap like race was invented becouse the neutral policy was showing that those minorities are failing not becouse of some discrimination but from internal flaws; and people acording to left must be equal or else... Remember when reality is disaproving the Idea the "liberals" which is American codename for socialist/marxists will always try to change the former to match the later  so if nescesery the tall are beheaded. That's why along with race quotas they drag the level down to gutter.
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11 They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. Peace, peace, they say, when there is no peace.

12 Are they ashamed of their loathsome conduct? No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know how to blush. So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down when they are punished, says the LORD.

13 'I will take away their harvest, declares the LORD. There will be no grapes on the vine. There will be no figs on the tree, and their leaves will wither. What I have given them will be taken from them.'

14 Why are we sitting here? Gather together! Let us flee to the fortified cities and perish there! For the LORD our God has doomed us to perish and given us poisoned water to drink, because we have sinned against him.

15 We hoped for peace but no good has come, for a time of healing but there was only terror.

16 The snorting of the enemy's horses is heard from Dan; at the neighing of their stallions the whole land trembles. They have come to devour the land and everything in it, the city and all who live there.

17 See, I will send venomous snakes among you, vipers that cannot be charmed, and they will bite you, declares the LORD.

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« Reply #32 on: September 17, 2007, 02:38:34 PM »
AA and other PC crap like race was invented because the neutral policy was showing that those minorities are failing not because of discrimination but from internal flaws; and people (according to leftists) must be equal or else... Remember, when reality disapproves an Idea, the "liberals" (an American codename for socialist/Marxists) will try to change the former to match the later.  So, if necessary, the tall are beheaded. That's why, along with race quotas they drag the level down to gutter.

Precisely.
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« Reply #33 on: September 17, 2007, 04:06:39 PM »
That is quite a tragic opinion/position in all honest.  I listen to Prager but happen to agree with Michael Savage or Chaim, Rabbi Singer or even John Hagee more so.  It is your opinion and we are all allowed to have our opinions I just don't want to see another good Jew fall into that Matrix of a following on based on politically guided propagnada and more so a free thinker.  This is why I listen to all.  I actually enjoy Eugene Narrett as well as Dr. Stanley Monteith from time to time. Sadly, if it was up to Gheorge Bush the borders would be open and America would be flooded with Illegals, many of which are Arabian/Muslims...or the selling out of all capital/National assets to the highest bidder even though they might be Muslim or Communist...  The sad fact is that Regan was formerly right of Prager, as was Barry Goldwater to name a quick few.

"That does not necessarily mean that I like everything about, for example, Dennis Prager.  Actually, what bothers me most of all about him are his really narcissistic idiosyncrasies. "  I agree with you here 110%.  "He is just so full of himself, so impressed with himself, and no matter what the topic at hand is, he always turns it into a discussion about himself.  This is ironic, given how often he lambasts the liberals for that same narcissism." I agree with you here as well.  Sadly, Savage can be the same way as well.  Perhaps it is ego getting involved...  but I agree with you 110%

I am well aware of the fact that Dennis Prager hates Rabbi Kahane.  In fact, I remember hearing the two debate on the old Ray Bream radio talk show back in the 1980's, and yes, of course Rabbi Kahane won the debate hands down.  A lot of people do not seem to realize just what a brilliant mind Rabbi Kahane had.  100% in agreement with your position in all honesty. People tend to see him as some kind of emotional extremist in a constant state of wild-eyed frenzy, while I see him as an extremely rational and realistic thinker who truly understood what the islamofascists are all about.Yes, very true.  It is largely due to the same leftist dominated media in Israel and America (along with their "Jewish" institutions and socialist-cohorts) that did the same to Barry Goldwater in 1964 or fabricated the so-called "Witch Hunt" via "McCarthyism".  Sadly, with hindsight being 20/20, McCarthy was right as was the younger Barry Goldwater and Douglas MacArthur.

So I definitely side with Rabbi Kahane over Dennis Prager.  However, with time, as Dennis realizes more and more that Rabbi Kahane was right (although he would never, ever admit that), he has sounded more and more like Rabbi Kahane over the years, and has found less and less excuse to insult Rabbi Kahane as he used to be so fond of doing.  I agree with you here, but sadly Prager doesn't take that leap into true Torah Conservatism and remains left of center in my opinion on many issues.

Furthermore, I am not so sure that Dennis is even for a two-state solution anymore.  Theoretically, yes, but even he realizes that in the real world, such a solution is meaningless.  There already is a 58 state solution, with us Jews having our one little tiny strip of land, while the islamofacsists control 57 countries.  And all this is besides the obvious fact that the islamofascists have no interest in a two-state solution anyway; giving them a state in the so-called occupied territories would only serve to give them the encouragement they need to murder more and more Jews and take over the rest of Israel.I agree with you here but he still uses the term P-lestinians and "West Bank" etc. etc. which, in all honesty, promulgates this entire fabricated history predicated on one big Antisemtic lie.  This land in question was actually and legally mandated to the Jews in both 1917 and 1932-3 recognized by the Leage of Nations....a bankrupt entity like the United Nations... Possibly because their starting point is one and the same: Communists with Western Elitist-"Neo"- Conservative funing
"‘Vehorashtem/Numbers 33:53’: When you burn out the Land’s inhabitants, you will merit to bestow upon your children the Land as an inheritance. If you do not burn them out, then even if you conquer the Land, you will not merit to allot it to your children as an inheritance." - Ovadiah ben Yacov Sforno; Italian Rabbi, Biblical Commentator, Philosopher and Physician.  1475-1550.

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Re: Cornel West
« Reply #34 on: September 17, 2007, 09:14:16 PM »
I consider myself a neo-con, which apparently from some of the comments in here, makes me one of the evil ones.  :-X

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« Reply #35 on: September 17, 2007, 09:32:25 PM »
AA and other PC crap like race was invented because the neutral policy was showing that those minorities are failing not because of discrimination but from internal flaws; and people (according to leftists) must be equal or else... Remember, when reality disapproves an Idea, the "liberals" (an American codename for socialist/Marxists) will try to change the former to match the later.  So, if necessary, the tall are beheaded. That's why, along with race quotas they drag the level down to gutter.

Precisely.
Ditto!

Real equallity can only be equallity of opportunity.

The negro doesn't want equallity of opportunity because it means he must make the same effort ( a task for which he is both unwilling and incapable). What he seeks is equallity of results for an inequallity in merit.

"You crackers gib me dat big screen TV ah aint worked fo' ."

"You crackers gib me dat place at da fancy college ah aint got da grades fo'. "

This convoluted sense of values has been the white liberals 'bread & butter' for decades.

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« Reply #36 on: September 17, 2007, 09:42:25 PM »
Regardless of what Black people want or do not want, they deserve the same opportunity as everybody else.  No bigotry against them, but no special programs for them either.  Let them succeed or fail on their own merits.

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« Reply #37 on: September 17, 2007, 09:45:36 PM »
Regardless of what Black people want or do not want, they deserve the same opportunity as everybody else.  No bigotry against them, but no special programs for them either.  Let them succeed or fail on their own merits.
What you just said is the absolute definition of non-descrimination, but to a liberal it's racsism.  ???

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« Reply #38 on: September 17, 2007, 10:47:26 PM »
Regardless of what Black people want or do not want, they deserve the same opportunity as everybody else.  No bigotry against them, but no special programs for them either.  Let them succeed or fail on their own merits.
This I totally agree with...every word. Equal treatment, but hire or acceptance at college should be by merit only. AA should be outlawed..its caused more problems than its solved.

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« Reply #39 on: September 17, 2007, 10:51:20 PM »
Regardless of what Black people want or do not want, they deserve the same opportunity as everybody else.  No bigotry against them, but no special programs for them either.  Let them succeed or fail on their own merits.
This I totally agree with...every word. Equal treatment, but hire or acceptance at college should be by merit only. AA should be outlawed..its caused more problems than its solved.

hey, you are a master JTFer..nice!  Btw, chaim said what I interpreted as a nice blurb about you on ask jtf.
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« Reply #40 on: September 17, 2007, 10:59:02 PM »
Who is Danny complimenting, Erica or JewishTeddyBear, or both?  ;)

Erica, I applaud you for supporting the idea of Blacks and every other group of people making it or not making it on their own, without any special favors from anyone.  Freedom of opportunity is what America is all about.  (To liberals, freedom of result is what they are all about)

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« Reply #41 on: September 17, 2007, 11:00:38 PM »
well, it was actually Erica, but not you're not so bad JTB  ::)
If someone says something bad about you, say something nice about them. That way, both of you would be lying.

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« Reply #42 on: September 17, 2007, 11:14:00 PM »
Regardless of what Black people want or do not want, they deserve the same opportunity as everybody else.  No bigotry against them, but no special programs for them either.  Let them succeed or fail on their own merits.
This I totally agree with...every word. Equal treatment, but hire or acceptance at college should be by merit only. AA should be outlawed..its caused more problems than its solved.

hey, you are a master JTFer..nice!  Btw, chaim said what I interpreted as a nice blurb about you on ask jtf.
Thanks :) And I'm almost afraid to ask what he said but..."What did he say?" :D

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« Reply #43 on: September 17, 2007, 11:15:35 PM »
Regardless of what Black people want or do not want, they deserve the same opportunity as everybody else.  No bigotry against them, but no special programs for them either.  Let them succeed or fail on their own merits.
This I totally agree with...every word. Equal treatment, but hire or acceptance at college should be by merit only. AA should be outlawed..its caused more problems than its solved.

hey, you are a master JTFer..nice!  Btw, chaim said what I interpreted as a nice blurb about you on ask jtf.
Thanks :) And I'm almost afraid to ask what he said but..."What did he say?" :D

I forgot but it hink it had to do wtih people's comments on chaim's youtube videos and that you were an exception in something...listen to all 2 hours and 47 minutes yourself! hahahah.
If someone says something bad about you, say something nice about them. That way, both of you would be lying.

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« Reply #44 on: September 17, 2007, 11:19:41 PM »
Regardless of what Black people want or do not want, they deserve the same opportunity as everybody else.  No bigotry against them, but no special programs for them either.  Let them succeed or fail on their own merits.
This I totally agree with...every word. Equal treatment, but hire or acceptance at college should be by merit only. AA should be outlawed..its caused more problems than its solved.

hey, you are a master JTFer..nice!  Btw, chaim said what I interpreted as a nice blurb about you on ask jtf.
Thanks :) And I'm almost afraid to ask what he said but..."What did he say?" :D

I forgot but it hink it had to do wtih people's comments on chaim's youtube videos and that you were an exception in something...listen to all 2 hours and 47 minutes yourself! hahahah.
I will...thanks :)

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« Reply #45 on: September 19, 2007, 11:55:19 PM »
Well, this is how I feel. I work with some very nice, hard-working and upstanding blacks. These blacks are ones you can be proud of. One of the said blacks is a family man, who is probably the best black I've ever come in contact with. When I talk to him, his race doesn't even come to mind.

Now, on the other hand, the blacks I go to college with are absolute disgraces. Which is something I've associated the majority of blacks with. They are ebonics-talking, rapper-worshipping idiots. And when one wants to be political it usually sounds something like this: "That Bush be an ass. That motherf'er is dumb. He dumb. We be needin' a democrat!" Not an exact quote, but all of this has been said by a black from a generalized perspective.

And get this. In my genocide class, we were talking about race and one black student said the following: "It also has to do with your social security number. The middle two digits of my social are odd numbers, and so are my friends'." Thank God another black student, a young lady, responsed to his maniacally untrue comment "That's not true. I have even numbers in mine." The professor, a Hispanic, said that her middle digits were odd and said "That was cool. I was black for minute." Not the funniest or most intelligent comment, but thank God the professor said something about his totally false statement.

That young black man goes to show that blacks are always crying racism on everything in society. "That be racist!" according to the black man. These ungrateful people are STILL crying racism, even after all the affirmative action laws have been established. Unqualified blacks get loans for college they will never pay back, because denying a black of an education would be racist, even though the loan officer knows full well there is no possible way the recipient can pay it back. They get into schools they certainly couldn't have if it were not for their skin color and the government will give this morons grants and scholarships for the same reason, even though their on the same level as a retard. And unfortunately, the same thing happens outside of school, too.

They get jobs they aren't qualified for, because the US is obsessed with interracial working environments. So, a black will get a job simply for the color of his skin, even though he doesn't have a college education, where one is required. But he's hired anyway, because he's black, and it's hard to find a black who actually has an impressive resume. They have a law-bound requirement to fill and if they need to hire complete incompetents to fill that requirement than so be it. And if somehow a black does manage to match a white based on their resumes, the black man gets the job, because HE BE BLACK, AND WHITEY AIN'T GONNA STOP 'IM!

I can go on and on about how brutally horrid the black race is, and how self-hating whites have helped them become even more horrid. But there really is no need. Most of you can see for yourselves.

Remember the Black Plague? Well, this is a different kind, but if something isn't done, it will be just as deadly.


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« Reply #46 on: September 20, 2007, 12:03:20 AM »
They call him a professor?  He wouldn't really even be qualified to pick dead bugs off a sick dog. 

"Mmmhmm das right dat Affirmative Action sure work for him.  Cause wit out dat Affirmative Action Cornel Beast would be cleaning da streets on Time Square with a broom."  Says, the Rev. I.B. Oppressed.
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« Reply #47 on: September 20, 2007, 12:12:59 AM »
" Free at last, free at last, free at last. Thank G_d almighty...a free RIDE at last"........Rev. I.B. Oppressed.

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« Reply #48 on: September 20, 2007, 12:20:08 AM »
" Free at last, free at last, free at last. Thank G_d almighty...a free RIDE at last"........Rev. I.B. Oppressed.
Wonderful quote. I hope Chaim gets a chance to read that.

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« Reply #49 on: September 20, 2007, 12:26:34 AM »
" Free at last, free at last, free at last. Thank G_d almighty...a free RIDE at last"........Rev. I.B. Oppressed.
Wonderful quote. I hope Chaim gets a chance to read that.

"May the day come when we eat KFC together, breed bastard babies together, pee in da subway together, get welfare together and go looting together"...................Rev. I.B. Oppressed.