"Okay, so you support Trump. You threw Ted Cruz under the bus who was as pro-Israel as it gets and then defend Trump citing that Ted Cruz lies and is establishment. Trump does lie and isn't establishment? I have news for you. He literally wrote the book on it. Deal maker Trump is as establishment and a liar as it gets. And if you haven't figured that out by now, then there is no use in having a conversation. Trump is Mr. flip-flop of the week. Sometimes he says the conflicting opposites in the same sentence! The nerve. It's insane!"
Trump is NOT part of the establishment. You guys reject anything you could lable a "conspiracy theory" as a credit to your own ignorance so you have zero knowledge of this. But there is a thing called Secret Societies (Masons, Bildebergs, CFR, Bohemian Grove) and Trump is not a member of any one of them, while most Republicans are members of all of them. If you don't believe in Secret Societies (even though JFK called them out) Look how the media is united against him. That's your signal that he's not part of the establishment.
The establishment is globalist. He is a nationalist. "America Firster." The establishment wants less soverignty and more globalization like the EU.
Yes he lies. As Cruz does. You will not find a politican that doesn't. What's more important is what they are likely to do. And when it comes to action, appointing Pence was already a good move.
"And we aren't allowed not to vote? And if we don't, somehow we are now liberals?"
I say you are making a big mistake. You would have let an anti-semite in, and a non anti-semite out if your stuff had become popular.
"And if we call out horrific behavior of a candidate (something we've always done for both conservatives, fake conservatives, and liberals in every election in both the US and Israel) we are voting for Hillary?"
In essence you are having that effect. A negative video about Trump is a vote for Hillary. That's correct.
"And when we call out evil and warn people about Trump, we support Hillary? Hey genius, we already attack the Clintons and have for a LONG, LONG time. We don't get that many Clinton supporters here on the site if you haven't noticed. The people here already know the Clintons are cancer."
It's not ABOUT YOUR SUPPORTERS. Isn't the purpose of all this to reach NEW people?
"And you haven't done your homework with Trump and Israel for certain. You think we don't know what's going on in politics? We run a news site.
"This made it in the news just tonight:
"Trump's praise of Russia, Iran, and Assad regime riles GOP experts"
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/trump-praise-russia-iran-assad-criticism-229546You think this is good for Israel? That's not scary to you?"
Anyone with an internet connection can run a "news site". It doesn't mean you have a clue about geopolitics. The anti "conspiracy theory" rhetoric of most of this forum actually shows most of you don't have a clue.
It's not particularly scary. Here he shows ignorance not malice. He's trying to fight ISIS as best he can, and apparently he's looking in the wrong places for allies. But that doesn't mean he's giving financial or military support to those countries. He'll either find help among those countries, or he won't.
(Links included) "Do you think pushing a “two state solution” with terrorists on Israel is a good idea - bragging that it's the “ultimate deal”?"
Bill Clinton was a lot worse. And it will continue with Hillary. He was high pressure on Israel and chummy with the terrorists. Trump has said he doesn't plan to put pressure on either side. Only if they "want a deal". And has no ties I'm aware of to Saudi Arabia like Hillary does, or any other Arab terorrists.
"Do you think giving Muslims nukes like in Saudi Arabia who plowed through the Twin Towers is good for Israel?"
That's a misquote. He said no to nukes for Saudi Arabia. Listen to the interview carefully. He said it would be a good idea for Japan to have them to balance N. Korea which may not be that bad an idea.
"Do you think an egomaniac with his finger on the nuke button is going to help Israel? "
I know you don't belive him. But he's said on many occasions he's the last person on earth to use the nuke button.
Who exactly are you concerned he will nuke? No one in particular. You're just concerned. Well I'm not that concerned. The guy didn't become a billionaire by having horrible judgement when it comes to really big issues. He has generals to speak to for that stuff. Even Chaim's worst quote about "we have nukes why don't we use them" I haven't seen that in writing anywhere but even if he said it he said it as a question, not as an answer.
"You think Russia is going to help Israel?"
No. Russia will treat Israel the same way with Trump as without him.
"And do you think someone who is praising Iran and Syria is good for Israel?"
Quote please.
"Does it even bother you at all that Trumps last campaign manager (that quit because the news came out about his deep ties to Russia) was a foreign anti-Israel agent for the Muslim Saudi Prince?"
This is news to me. If you want me to believe it, provide a link. Trump does not have "deep ties" to Russia. Hillary has more ties than Trump does. Trump has done some real estate business there and got Putin's approval. More than that, you'd have to prove to me.
"Does it worry you that Trump names Israel among countries that will reimburse the US when he’s president?"
We can't discuss this fruitfully because I can't have a conversation mentioning the words "Rothchilld" or "Central Bank" without being labeled a conspiracy theorist. Suffice it to say, I believe Israel has a lot more money than it lets on.
"Or when he said he was going to be neutral with the so-called “palestinains” and the Jews?"
Neutral would be good. Compared to Hillary the Jew hater. Who has said over and over during her primary debates she would champion the "palestinian's" cause.
"Or when Trump wouldn’t commit to recognizing Jerusalem as Israel’s capital?"
I thought I just quoted you him saying the exact opposite.
"How about when Trump said “as president, I can’t take Israel’s side”?"
If America would be neutral and just leave Israel alone that would be a good thing. Far better than what Bill and Hillary would like to do.
"Are you okay that Trump blamed Israel for terrorism and invoked nazi-style Jewish stereotypes?"
I don't believe that until I see it.
:How about when the top Trump foreign policy adviser said that Trump is “not going to get rid of the Iran deal”?"
"That contradicts what Trump says. And Trump will make the ultimate decision which is clearly to get rid of "one of the worst deals in history.
"Support for Planned Parenthood, socialist healthcare,"
Liar!
"His support for transgender bathrooms,"
Liar! He opposed Obama and said it should be left up to the states.
"his life in porn and gambling, his wife in lesbian porn,"
Maybe you are some kind of porn expert that I am not. But as far as I know she took nude photos and that's the end of the story. He owned casinos. Which I believe he all sold. But neither of these are dealbreakers for me. Look up "Lolita Express". Now THAT's a dealbreaker. We're talking institutionalized pedophilia.
"all of his Democrat donations including the Clintons,"
Oh. So Hillary donated to Trump's campaign? Wow. That's a new one I've never heard.
"his “self-deport” amnesty plan, and just on and on.""
You run a news site? Hillary wants amnesty. Trump wants a WALL. And enforcement of our immagration policies on the books.
Just on and on??? Most of what you said you haven't sourced and runs counter to what 99% of Americans have seen from Trump. So while I'm sure you can go
"on and on" with claims that make no sense, I'd prefer you spend your time more usefully.
"These evangelical leaders have said that, for the sake of the “lesser of two evils,” one should stand with someone who not only characterizes sexual decadence and misogyny, brokers in cruelty and nativism, and displays a crazed public and private temperament — but who glories in these things."
I respect your good writing. And I respect you as a person. And the hard work you put in. And how you try to keep things honest. But to be really honest this is just a lot of hyperbole. Good writing. But thou dost protest too much in my opinion. He doesn't "charactarize sexual decadence" . Bill does that. Let's face it he's no more crazed in his tempermant than Chaim. Brokers in cruelty? I agree his business practices have been cruel sometimes. I also believe it's nothing compareed to the Clinton Foundation holding onto millions of dollars meant for Hatians, and let them die. Talk about cruelty. He most definitely is the lesser of two evils.
Trump at least makes nice buildings. The Clintons do absolutely nothing with their money but pay for more tickets to the Lolita Express!
"Some of the very people who warned us about moral relativism and situational ethics now ask us to become moral relativists for the sake of an election".
If someone is a reincarnation of Hilter. Like Hillary. A demon. A Nazi. An Arafat loving Jew hater. Your job as a righteous person is to do everything and anything to take them down and keep them from power.
And when some dissent, they are labeled as liberals or accused of moral preening or sitting comfortably on the sidelines. The cynicism and nihilism is horrifying to behold. It is not new, but it is clearer to see than ever.
"Some of the same people who (rightfully) bashed Bill Clinton for his sexual deviancy now defend Trump for the very same behavior.
Nobody is defending that behavior. We should decry it. But keep it in perspective. Imagine Hitler was coming to power God forbid, and he had one opponent, who happened to be a sexual deviant, you would not want to spend your time focusing on that sexual deviancy. You would want to help him as much as possible to stop Hitler from coming to power.
That's probably the reason my Chabad Rabbi after morning prayers today said we should probably say HaGomel (which is the prayer you say when you're saved from your life being in danger) and he is no foolish man.
"Trump is also accused of raping of a 13 year old girl."
You got it backwards. There is a video of Clinton raping a 13 year old girl. Trump's case was thrown out for lack of evidence.
Everyone knows about the Lolitaa Express and how Clinton is a pedophile. And Hillary is a pedophile enabler. Trump is not of that ilk and you have not a shred of evidence to say otherwise.
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