The Allegations Concerning Roy Moore

[Zelhar]

I think the reports are reasonably well founded. He was hitting on teenaged girls. He should step down. I wouldn't be surprised if more serious allegations pop up down the road.




https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/woman-says-roy-moore-initiated-sexual-encounter-when-she-was-14-he-was-32/2017/11/09/1f495878-c293-11e7-afe9-4f60b5a6c4a0_story.html

[Joe Gutfeld]

I heard that someone new came forward in accusing Roy Moore being interested in underage girls.

[Israel Chai]

Zelhar, it's "hitting" not "heating", see why you might think that but that's incorrect English.

I don't know, but I read an article on Red State about David Horowitz's reaction, which was he thinks he rapes little girls but better than democrats. I agree with the conclusions that the arguments used to support Trump will create more and more immorality on the right and acceptance of it.

[Israel Chai]

It seems a little fishy: https://jtf.org/bombshell-judge-roy-moore-accuser-worked-for-hillary-clinton-joe-biden-campaigns-part-of-the-resistance/

We're gung-ho about taking down the rapists after the wave of leftists being caught, but we can't forget that many men are falsely accused, and it ruins their lives. If the evidence was fished out of WAPO's cesspool of written diarrhea, I say stand behind Roy until the evidence is there.

It feels like our hatred for rapists is being used to murder innocent people now, and I'm mad as heck that the leftists that be see me as a tool.

[Binyamin Yisrael]

He's not Jewish and the women in question were over the age of 12 when it happened. Unless he forced himself on them, there's no problem. Under Halacha there is no problem (since it didn't violate the Noahide Laws) and under civil law, the statue of limitations is over. What are they going to do, retroactively invalidate that he was a judge? At the same time, the government tolerates more serious sexual misconduct (homosexuality) and forces the recognition of Sodomite "marriages".

[Israel Chai]

He's not Jewish and the women in question were over the age of 12 when it happened. Unless he forced himself on them, there's no problem. Under Halacha there is no problem (since it didn't violate the Noahide Laws) and under civil law, the statue of limitations is over. What are they going to do, retroactively invalidate that he was a judge? At the same time, the government tolerates more serious sexual misconduct (homosexuality) and forces the recognition of Sodomite "marriages".

You can't judge him by Jewish law if he's not a Jew, and molesting people is a major crime for Jews, btw.

He's got the 7 of Noah, one is to have a court of laws, which includes following them. If the law says he can't touch he can't, his law, his nation's destiny, he should follow it. This is not to say I know the truth about him or his accusers or alleged victims at all.

[Israel Chai]

Here's an example of attention whores using #MeToo to get attention, which hurts the chances of real victims, and creates male ones, who become extremely likely to never believe a sexual harassment claim. In this case, its a teeny.
http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/women-accuse-sports-blogger-sex-harassment-turns-out-he-was-teen-girl

 Major players across film, television, and journalism are being cast away after an influx of sexual abuse allegations and admissions are rocking the powerful. Women and men on the receiving end of these unwanted sexual advances have finally been emboldened by the sheer number of accusers willing to step forward. However, the #MeToo movement isn't without it's hiccups, as evidenced by this story about sports writer Ryan Schultz.

For the last eight years, Schultz has been writing about baseball for various sports sites. He has been known to be married with two children. But recently, he, too, has been rocked with allegations of sexual harassment by several women who claim they were harassed online. But there’s just one problem: Schultz is really a girl writing under a pseudonym.

The San Francisco Gate explains:

    [Schultz is] a young Missouri woman who had written under the false identity since she was 13.

    A Deadspin report revealed the identity of Ryan Schultz to be 21-year-old Becca Schultz, who took on the identity to freely write for sites like SB Nation and Baseball Prospectus. As the years went by, Becca couldn't figure out how to disentangle herself from the fabricated persona.

This weekend, Schultz tweeted “a misogynistic joke that ruffled some online feathers,” Deadspin added. Her Twitter account has since been deleted. That's when everything started to unravel.

Apparently, at least two of these “victims” sent Schultz nude photos of themselves and regularly chatted with “him” online about baseball and hockey. They said Schultz would often be “drunk” and “berate them” and then “imply that he’d hurt himself” if they stopped communicating.

Schultz believed this "stereotypical guy" persona was the only way to be female and write in a male-dominated field.

"I was young and had no idea what to do," Schultz said. “So I just acted like I thought a man would."

It’s a complicated world out there.

[Zelhar]

corrected.

Zelhar, it's "hitting" not "heating", see why you might think that but that's incorrect English.

I don't know, but I read an article on Red State about David Horowitz's reaction, which was he thinks he rapes little girls but better than democrats. I agree with the conclusions that the arguments used to support Trump will create more and more immorality on the right and acceptance of it.

[Zelhar]

He agrees himself that dating 14 year olds should disqualify anyone as a politician. You can't invoke some primitive backward religious rule as an excuse. It's not the law of the land. 14 is below the age of consent.

He's not Jewish and the women in question were over the age of 12 when it happened. Unless he forced himself on them, there's no problem. Under Halacha there is no problem (since it didn't violate the Noahide Laws) and under civil law, the statue of limitations is over. What are they going to do, retroactively invalidate that he was a judge? At the same time, the government tolerates more serious sexual misconduct (homosexuality) and forces the recognition of Sodomite "marriages".

[Binyamin Yisrael]

You can't judge him by Jewish law if he's not a Jew, and molesting people is a major crime for Jews, btw.

I didn't judge him by Jewish Law. I judged him by Noahide Law. Jews are forbidden from pre-marital sexual relations. Goyim are not. Jews aren't even supposed to kiss before marriage. I don't think he had sexual relations with them. If it was consensual, then there's no problem at all. I don't care if they were minors under civil law.

[Israel Chai]

He agrees himself that dating 14 year olds should disqualify anyone as a politician. You can't invoke some primitive backward religious rule as an excuse. It's not the law of the land. 14 is below the age of consent.

Itès not primitizve and backward. Marrying your daughter to an old dude is considered as selling her as a slave, so it wasn't like that, the men got married at 12 too and they worked and supported themselves and their families, we didn't worry so much that they couldn't eat candy and play in the park all day, and the society was much more mature.

In a society with such disgusting people like we find all over now, obviously allowing it would lead to horrible abuses, and so no Rabbi would say to bring it back.

[Israel Chai]

I didn't judge him by Jewish Law. I judged him by Noahide Law. Jews are forbidden from pre-marital sexual relations. Goyim are not. Jews aren't even supposed to kiss before marriage. I don't think he had sexual relations with them. If it was consensual, then there's no problem at all. I don't care if they were minors under civil law.

You're right about the first part, but part of the laws of Noah are to make a court of law and abide by it, so whatever is found in the "do not" section of the American civil code, so long as it doesn't violate the others, are part of their law. Also, a marriage at the most basic level for them is two consenting adults decide to go home after the bar, if one isn't consenting, then it's a violation.

[Israel Chai]

The more I research, the more this seems like an assassination based on complete lies: https://twitter.com/ThomasWictor/status/930254839568769024/photo/1

[Israel Chai]

[Israel Chai]

My Last Word on Roy Moore

Posted at 10:15 am on November 10, 2017 by streiff

I don’t live in Alabama but if I did, based on what I know right now, I’d happily vote for Roy Moore for Senate next month.

Yesterday, the Washington Post broke a story in which it alleges that in 1979 Roy Moore inappropriately touched a 14-year-old girl and kissed one or more women who were aged 16-18. Everyone, particularly Mitch McConnell and his allies who are still butt-hurt over Moore wiping the floor with them in the GOP primary and that growing caucus in the GOP that seems intent upon breaking its own ribs patting itself on the back over its righteousness are demanding Roy Moore “step aside.”

What his accusers are doing is parroting the star chamber procedures used on today’s college campuses in similar cases–a situation I’d mistakenly believed conservatives opposed. Once the accusation is made, guilt is decided. There is no need for inquiry or evidence. Just the accusation and a wild chant “believe women.” Hell, there are people out there who still believe Anita Hill so this is not surprising. It is more than a little surprising to find conservatives trying to lead the lynch mob.

There is really no reason that we are obliged to believe this story. Indeed, there are lots of reasons why we should look askance at it. It dates from 1979. Roy Moore has been on the ballot in Alabama several times and involved in all manner of controversies and the fact that it hasn’t come out before now leads me to say that a person’s word today is simply not good enough.

Anyone who tries to tie this to Bill Clinton is simply being disingenuous. None of Clinton’s accusers waited 40 years. None of the cases against Clinton were ambiguous. We actually had the DNA sample for crying out loud. Clinton actually paid a cash settlement to Paula Jones and was disbarred. If there is a takeaway from Bill Clinton’s escapades here it is that it is that we were told, mainly by the same people on their high horse over Roy Moore, that it is morally illegitimate to criticize a politician over his private morality.

The analogies to Harvey Weinstein are also nonsense. You can actually think it is wrong to rape someone (like Rose McGowan) and at the same time be skeptical about a 40-year-old claim about something that is definitely not rape. I know there are all kinds of reasons that someone might wait this long to make their claim, not all of those reasons have to do with fear or embarrassment.

If you want to condemn Moore based on this, well that’s your right. I’m not going to argue this with anyone because if you’ve already decided Moore is guilty then we have nothing to talk about. If you want to say I’m a bad person, knock yourself out I really don’t care. The adulation of people I don’t know is not one of my motivators.

But if you are saying Moore is guilty then don’t do it with blinders on and think this is not the way elections are not going to be run in the future. There is no politician that is not vulnerable to this kind of an attack where the only proof that is needed is the accusation itself.

So this is my last word on Roy Moore. I’ll be happy to revisit my opinion if actual evidence emerges and/or if we see, a la Harvey Weinstein, a battalion of 14-year-old victims coming forward to show this was a pattern Moore established over a period of years. But until such time I’m done with listening to the attacks on Moore or taking seriously most of the people making them.




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An Alabama woman has come forward and accused Republican senatorial candidate Roy Moore of initiating a sexual encounter between the two when she was 14. Leigh Corfman, 53, told her horrific story to the Washington Post in a bombshell report that was published on November 9.

Moore won the nomination to be the Republican senatorial candidate in September 2017 after defeating the Trump-backed Luther Strange in the GOP primary. Moore will face off against Democrat Doug Jones in the special election to replace Attorney General Jeff Sessions on December 12. Moore is a former chief justice of Alabama’s Supreme Court.

Here’s what you need to know:
1. Corfman Says She Was Approached by Moore While Her Parents Were Embroiled in a Custody Dispute
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Corfman told the Washington Post that Roy Moore approached her when she was 14 years old outside of a courtroom in Etowah County, Alabama. At the time, Moore was a 32-year-old assistant district attorney. After speaking with Corfman and her mother, Nancy Wells, Moore allegedly offered to watch the teen while Wells went into the courtroom for a child custody hearing. Online records show that Corfman’s father, Robert Corfman, died in January 2016.

During that time, Corfman says that she gave her phone number to Moore. A few days later, Moore picked her up from her home in Gadsden, Alabama. The two went to his home, a 30 minute drive from Corfman’s house. The two kissed. On a second date, Corfman says that Moore touched her over her bra and underwear. She adds that Moore took Corfman’s hand and put it over his underwear. Corfman said, “I wasn’t ready for that – I had never put my hand on a man’s penis, much less an erect one.” During one encounter, Corfman said that Moore was wearing nothing but “tight white” underpants. In that same encounter, Corfman accuses Moore of giving her alcohol. The legal drinking age in Alabama at the time was 19.
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Corfman told the Post, “I wanted it over with – I wanted out. Please just get this over with. Whatever this is, just get it over.” After telling him she was uncomfortable, Moore took her home.

Corfman called Moore “charming and smiley” and that she was “kind of giddy, excited, you know? An older guy, you know?”

The Post goes on to say that reporters interviewed three other women who were between 16 and 18 when they say Moore pursued them for intimate relationships. Corfman is the only one who said she had “sexual contact” with Moore.
2. Corfman Says She Is a Republican Who Voted for Trump
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In a statement to the Post, Moore said, “These allegations are completely false and are a desperate political attack by the National Democrat Party and the Washington Post on this campaign.” Moore also called the story “the very definition fake news.”

Corfman told the Post that she has voted Republican in the last three presidential elections, including voting for Donald Trump in 2016. Heavy.com found a Facebook comment from Corfman where she spoke about buying a Stonewall Jackson antique. Jackson was arguably the best known confederate commander after Robert E. Lee.
3. Corfman Didn’t Come Forward Previously Because She Was Worried About Her Own Credibility

Corfman has a son and a daughter with country musician Dave Polston. Polston plays the five string banjo in they style of Earl Scruggs for the band 2 Lazy 2 Ranch band. Polston is also a banjo, dobro and guitar teacher.

She told the Post that the reason she didn’t come forward in 2000 when Moore was campaigning for the state Supreme Court was because her children were still in school. Corfman added that she was worried about her own credibility due to financial problems and three divorces. She says of this, “There is no one here that doesn’t know that I’m no angel.”

Corfman lived for a time in Arizona, where her children’s father is based. While there, a screen-printing business she had with her husband ended up leaving her heavily in-debt. The Post says in 1991 that she was in debt $139,689 in unpaid claims.

According to Corfman’s now-deleted LinkedIn page, she works a payday loan company. Previously, Corfman worked as a finance manager at a motorcycle dealership.

Corfman says, “I have prayed over this. All I know is that I can’t sit back and let this continue, let him continue without the mask being removed.”
4. Corfman Was in the News in 2013 When Her Son’s Prom Night Was ‘Ruined’ by Local Police
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Corfman made the news in 2013 when a prom her son was attending for Southside High School was raided by local police, reports WBRC. Corfman’s son told the station that the music was turned-off halfway through, the lights came on, and police began doing a table-to-table search without telling anyone what they were looking for. Corfman’s son said, “They just pretty much ruined the good time we were supposed to have.”

While Leigh Corfman told WBRC, that event was a “total nightmare” and that she was “horrified” by the police saying, “What about their rights?”
5. Moore Has a ‘Double Digit’ Lead Over His Democratic Challenger Doug Jones

According to Alabama.com, Moore is leading his Democrat challenger Doug Jones 51 percent to 40 percent. A spokesman for the polling company, Jonathan Gray of Strategy Research told the website, “People are not paying attention [to the race] right now. I just think it’s going to be late in the cycle when it gets tighter.”

Prior to the publication of the Post report, WHNT reported that Moore was refusing to debate Doug Jones.

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Not a Republican and I don’t believe it. Also, she gave Moore her phone number? Two dates and her parents did nothing ?
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[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

I didn't judge him by Jewish Law. I judged him by Noahide Law. Jews are forbidden from pre-marital sexual relations. Goyim are not. Jews aren't even supposed to kiss before marriage. I don't think he had sexual relations with them. If it was consensual, then there's no problem at all. I don't care if they were minors under civil law.

Pedo alert!

By definition it is not consensual when it is a child. They are not capable of consent. 

I bet you would argue that children should not be allowed to "consent" to a sex change operation decided on by their parents for the same reason.  Same logic applies here.   
Claiming it was "consensual" is what every perverted sicko child rapist does.

[Zelhar]

There is no need to lie where there is enough truth to destroy him.

The more I research, the more this seems like an assassination based on complete lies: https://twitter.com/ThomasWictor/status/930254839568769024/photo/1

[Israel Chai]

There is no need to lie where there is enough truth to destroy him.

His wife claims those people were paid off, which seems like a big lie, and the yearbook thing is an obvious lie. Everyone is lying, and I don't know who to believe. I posted the info I found here, you have any outright evidence of his misconduct?

[syyuge]

Clintons blaming Republicans.

[Israel Chai]

Pedo alert!

By definition it is not consensual when it is a child. They are not capable of consent. 

I bet you would argue that children should not be allowed to "consent" to a sex change operation decided on by heir parents for the same reason.  Same logic applies here.   
Claiming it was "consensual" is what every perverted sicko child rapist does.

Shii when I was 12 I was. When I was freeking 9, I knew what I was doing. That's for girls that were my age though, if it was an older lady, there's a sort of quid pro quo thing there, it's a lot more complicated to say no, it's not really consent. By the time I was 13 or 14, so then I was into my teachers for real after puberty is done you are what you are, you may not make the best decisions about love, but grown men aren't much better.

12 is old enough to consent to an operation, but sex changes are really just mutilation that don't change sex at all, so they should simply be illegal.

[Zelhar]

There are multiple accusers and multiple people confirming their stories plus his very weak and unconvicing denial.

His wife claims those people were paid off, which seems like a big lie, and the yearbook thing is an obvious lie. Everyone is lying, and I don't know who to believe. I posted the info I found here, you have any outright evidence of his misconduct?

[Binyamin Yisrael]

Pedo alert!

By definition it is not consensual when it is a child. They are not capable of consent. 

I bet you would argue that children should not be allowed to "consent" to a sex change operation decided on by their parents for the same reason.  Same logic applies here.   
Claiming it was "consensual" is what every perverted sicko child rapist does.

I'm speaking of consent according to Halacha. Men from age 13 and women from age 12 can get married. We don't do it today but it's still the law. Goyim don't need to get married to have sexual relations.

When people defend homosexuals, it's hypocritical if they speak against a man who has relations with a teenager. Homosexuality is way worse, consensual or not. As long as the woman went through puberty, it's not pedophilia, unless you go by civil law. That's the difference between Judaism and Islam. Islam allows men to have sex with girls younger than 10 years old. It's not normal to be attracted to a girl that age.

[Shlomo]

Roy Moore is good for Israel.

And why did these women wait until now to come forward? I think you know why. Politics.

Stepson of Roy Moore accuser calls her story a big lie: “Don’t believe a word she says”

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

I'm speaking of consent according to Halacha. Men from age 13 and women from age 12 can get married. We don't do it today but it's still the law. Goyim don't need to get married to have sexual relations.

Pedo alert!

Is this your attempt at a psak halacha?  Because it's pure fraud.

When people defend homosexuals, it's hypocritical if they speak against a man who has relations with a teenager. Homosexuality is way worse, consensual or not. As long as the woman went through puberty, it's not pedophilia, unless you go by civil law. That's the difference between Judaism and Islam. Islam allows men to have sex with girls younger than 10 years old. It's not normal to be attracted to a girl that age.

Dude this is so clueless where do I begin?

I know homosexuals are your favorite pin cushion but no one here "defended homosexuals" so that's not even slightly germane to the argument.  Care to try again?

It's cute thar you decide which sins are "worse" but again not relevant at all to the question.  Idol worship is "worse" than stealing, does that mean stealing isn't evil? No.

Are you not aware that civil law is relevant to Halacha and obligatory on Jews?   Pure ignorance. 
Present day morals are also relevant because they have scientific basis and can't be ignored.

Lastly your comment is disgusting.  It is not "normal" for an adult man to be attracted to a "gone through puberty" 14 or 15 year old either. It's perverted af.
That's the world we live in and anyone who acts with a minor needs to be put in jail and is a predator.

[Zelhar]

But it doesn't change the facts.

Roy Moore is good for Israel.

And why did these women wait until now to come forward? I think you know why. Politics.

Stepson of Roy Moore accuser calls her story a big lie: “Don’t believe a word she says”