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Offline Israel Chai

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OK good lockdown, time to end it NOW
« on: April 16, 2020, 02:57:14 AM »
The following is an article with information that raises questions but no answers, and I'm including it because it also says we should end the lockdown. The numbers are passed, the amount of lives lost from the economic damage will surpass the lives saved if the lock down saved lives. Every day I'm finding this disease is far more infectious than anyone thought, it's likely the lockdown didn't save lives as the article outlines. It's a theory from a professor, my bank would say no if I tried to deposit one of those, but even with the numbers showing a tiny A cup sized curve, the lives lost from not having money is more now.

Comrade Cuomo of NYC said we can't put a price on human life. He must have forgot his Marx lessons. It's an excellent strawman, there isn't anyone in the mainstream saying well each old guy is worth 5k and this cost us say 100 billion so we just need to save 400 more and we break even on the lockdown. If you take out how weird that is it would be really funny if someone said it. The fact is if you give a million to many couples around the world, they'll have more kids and raise them better, so you need money for life. Less cash=more crime in a society of soft-jawed degenerates especially.

So every day there is a lockdown, if I was actually going to devote any effort to anything I could do the math and tell you an estimate of how many net (profit-expenses) dead people there will be every the lockdown continues. It doesn't really matter if it's 100 or 1000, or the price and non-price of human life, killing people and losing money is stupid.

The potential rationale for this is over. I see more people in a day than I've seen in 8 months on this rich people rock, apparently they're all hiding out here too, so the lockdown is quite lovely for me, but seeing extra people in the street I don't talk to isn't worth billions going broke and people net dying every day. Contact your local representative and say end it.

Israeli Professor Shows Virus Follows Fixed Pattern
Marina Medvin
Marina Medvin
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Posted: Apr 15, 2020 12:01 AM
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Israeli Professor Shows Virus Follows Fixed Pattern

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Professor Yitzhak Ben Israel of Tel Aviv University, who also serves on the research and development advisory board for Teva Pharmaceutical Industries, plotted the rates of new coronavirus infections of the U.S., U.K., Sweden, Italy, Israel, Switzerland, France, Germany, and Spain. The numbers told a shocking story: irrespective of whether the country quarantined like Israel, or went about business as usual like Sweden, coronavirus peaked and subsided in the exact same way. In the exact, same, way. His graphs show that all countries experienced seemingly identical coronavirus infection patterns, with the number of infected peaking in the sixth week and rapidly subsiding by the eighth week.
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The Wuhan Virus follows its own pattern, he told Mako, an Israeli news agency. It is a fixed pattern that is not dependent on freedom or quarantine. “There is a decline in the number of infections even [in countries] without closures, and it is similar to the countries with closures,” he wrote in his paper.

“Is the coronavirus expansion exponential? The answer by the numbers is simple: no. Expansion begins exponentially but fades quickly after about eight weeks,” Professor Yitzhak Ben Israel concluded. The reason why coronavirus follows a fixed pattern is yet unknown. "I have no explanation,” he told Mako, “There are is kinds of speculation: maybe it's climate-related, maybe the virus has its own life cycle.”

But what about Italy and their staggering 12% mortality rate? “The health system in Italy has its own problems. It has nothing to do with coronavirus. In 2017 it also collapsed because of the flu,” Professor Yitzhak Ben Israel told the news agency. Indeed, Italy’s exceptionally high coronavirus mortality rate is eerily reminiscent of their unusually high flu mortality rates. Supportive of this theory, Germany, has low flu infection and mortality rates and similarly low coronavirus rates.

Professor Yitzhak Ben Israel concludes in his analysis summary paper that the data from the past 50 days indicates that the closure policies of the quarantine countries can be replaced by more moderate social distancing policies. The numbers simply do not support quarantine or economic closure.

On the reasonableness of Israel’s unprecedented quarantine and closure, he commented to the news agency, “I think it's mass hysteria. I have no other way to describe it. 4,500 people die each year from the flu in Israel because of complications, so close the country because of that? No. I don't see a reason to do it because of a lower-risk epidemic.”

While the American policies remain less restrictive than those of Israel, it is important to understand the origins of our own “mass hysteria” response. President Trump urged a strong coronavirus response after consulting with Dr. Fauci and his team, who relied on a British model predicting 2.2 million deaths in the United States and 500,000 deaths in the U.K. But that model was developed by Professor Neil Ferguson, who had a history of wildly overestimating death rates through his prediction models. Professor Ferguson was not known for his reliability, and his 2001 disease model was criticized as “not fit for purpose” after it predicted that up to 150,000 people could die in the U.K. from mad cow disease (177 deaths to date). Ferguson’s U.K. coronavirus deaths prediction is now down to 20,000 people, 4% of the original prediction.

Professor Yitzhak Ben Israel has mathematically shown us that coronavirus closures were a mistake. It's a tough reality. Americans lost their jobs and businesses went under because the United States, along with most first world nations, acted on the chilling predictions of a severely flawed model, a reading of Professor Ferguson’s tarot cards. Hindsight is 20/20, so we have to be realistic with our criticism. President Trump did not want 2.2 million Americans to die and did what he thought was necessary to save our lives, relying on a model his advisors told him was trustworthy. It's done. It happened. But it doesn't mean that he should continue the course.
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It’s been one month since our country declared a national coronavirus emergency and life as we knew it had ceased. Americans have been growing agitated, unwilling to continue in this way, knowing something is wrong. Trump has sensed that his constituency is displeased with the authoritarian power grab by our Governors and has repeatedly stated that he wishes to reopen the country, but that he needs more information to make the right decision. Professor Yitzhak Ben Israel’s data analysis provides Trump with the assurance that he needs to reopen America.

Mr. President, please review Professor Yitzhak Ben Israel’s research and take bold steps to mitigate the damage to our economy. Now that we see the actual data, continuing the closure course is a greater error, a knowing error, one that can no longer be justified by good intentions.

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Re: OK good lockdown, time to end it NOW
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2020, 01:18:46 AM »
Fine I started but way too much math and I got bored. Basically if the economy is lower, people can afford less healthcare and are more miserable and prone to crime, and you can count life years lost. The BBC beat me to it and said for England, a loss of 25% of their economy from this would result in 68 million life years lost, so divide that by 100 to get a figure on how many people that ends up being.

It's worse when you don't have the government to mooch off of, because that's supposed to make the economy good. If it's still bad and there's no money, the number is anywhere from 150-300 million life years a month of lockdown at the current rate of economic decline.

Since the stock market jumped a bit from Bernie dropping out, maybe AOC can do her patriotic duty and resign along with all the other socialists, and we'll get another bump. Not that it'll save much, goes back to normal after, but I would like that.
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Re: OK good lockdown, time to end it NOW
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2020, 01:41:24 AM »
It will never end in Israel sure.

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Re: OK good lockdown, time to end it NOW
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2020, 11:51:13 PM »
It will never end in Israel sure.

So in your opinion, Israel will continue to be on Coronavirus lockdown for what, 10 years, 20 years, 1000 years? Forever forever?
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