Ann Coulter / "Perfected" Jews

[OdKahaneChai]

I think MassuhDGoodName and newman are the only voices of reason here.

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

Re:  "...But the USA are one of the most Christian countries and they never tried to make a holocaust. This is in my oppinion a point against you..."

AND THE OBVIOUS FACT THAT YOU KNOW NOTHING WHATSOEVER ABOUT THE TEACHINGS OF RABBI MEIR KAHANE, HAVE NEVER LISTENED TO A WORD HE SAID, HAVE NEVER READ A SINGLE BOOK OR ARTICLE BY HIM, SAYS WORLDS AGAINST YOU!

It is right. I read only a few short scriptures of him, like letter to the world and i heard a long interview with him with Larry King. All what he said was intelligent and his arguments were logical. But i can't say, that i know a lot of his texts or speeches. I don't wan't to offend you. All i wanted to say, was that the USA are a free, good land. In Europe, specially in Germany it was through the most times the hell on earth for the Jews. The USA are a Christian country and they develop in a differnt way to the christian countries in Europe.

Actually expecially in Germany their were Jews who felt it was the new Jerusalem. Obviously at times of economic success their were less persecution, but once a problem set in you know who was and is allways blamed. What Rav Kahane ZTL HYD said and wrote was the same in regards to America. In America now their is relative economic success and many people are bissy with telivision (sports, etc.), internet and consumerism and the Jew doesnt really bother them. They have hatred but as long as they have their doller menue hamburgers their happy. Of course everyone has free choice, but if you want to look at reality you should know that at least 90% of a chance of their being severe anti-semitism even here if and once the economy crashes, etc.

[Ulli]

Re:  "...But the USA are one of the most Christian countries and they never tried to make a holocaust. This is in my oppinion a point against you..."

AND THE OBVIOUS FACT THAT YOU KNOW NOTHING WHATSOEVER ABOUT THE TEACHINGS OF RABBI MEIR KAHANE, HAVE NEVER LISTENED TO A WORD HE SAID, HAVE NEVER READ A SINGLE BOOK OR ARTICLE BY HIM, SAYS WORLDS AGAINST YOU!

It is right. I read only a few short scriptures of him, like letter to the world and i heard a long interview with him with Larry King. All what he said was intelligent and his arguments were logical. But i can't say, that i know a lot of his texts or speeches. I don't wan't to offend you. All i wanted to say, was that the USA are a free, good land. In Europe, specially in Germany it was through the most times the hell on earth for the Jews. The USA are a Christian country and they develop in a differnt way to the christian countries in Europe.

Actually expecially in Germany their were Jews who felt it was the new Jerusalem. Obviously at times of economic success their were less persecution, but once a problem set in you know who was and is allways blamed. What Rav Kahane ZTL HYD said and wrote was the same in regards to America. In America now their is relative economic success and many people are bissy with telivision (sports, etc.), internet and consumerism and the Jew doesnt really bother them. They have hatred but as long as they have their doller menue hamburgers their happy. Of course everyone has free choice, but if you want to look at reality you should know that at least 90% of a chance of their being severe anti-semitism even here if and once the economy crashes, etc.

Yes i remember, that Rabbi Kahane said that in similar words, in the interview with Larry King. There could be a danger, but the Americans i know personally, are differnt to the most Germans in one important point. They don't have this envy to economicial success. In Germany the most people yelling at the "rich". I think the half of all Germans likes the social welfare state. But the right way is to care for your family with own hard work. Perhaps this envy is one important cause for antisemitism.
When the american consciousness will change, from freedom to a socialistic attitude, there is shurly danger for the freedom and for the Jews. In this sight Rabbi Kahane is right.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Ann Coulter remarks were anything but anti-Semitic...they were a simple statement on Christian doctrine. For those of you who missed this lesson in Sunday school...Christians believe G-d made them the new "chosen people" after the Jews failed to keep his commandments.

It's also why they call our testament "old" and their testament "new".

Anyone who truly believes in their religion, believe they are the chosen people, so Christians are no different, and neither are Buddhists or Hindus.

I think the main point people are missing is who is behind this scandal....the Soros funded Media Matters, also responsible for firing Don Imus. Should we take the cheap ploys of a self-hating Jew, who help confiscate the property of his fellow Jews who were being sent to the gas chambers to save his pathetic behind...http://sweetness-light.com/archive/george-soros-on-helping-the-nazis-during-the-holocaust

It doesn't surprise me that the liberal Jews are the ones crying victim over this. Aren't these the same Jews who support the "Oslo Accords" Clinton's, who supported the Orwellian peace process that puts Israel on the chopping block, and who know nothing about Judaism even if it smacked them in the face!

These Jews have hurt the Jewish cause more perniciously than Ann Coulter ever could...

AMEN

[Barach Velvel ben Lazer Eliazer]

I think that MassuhDGoodName has been insulted unjustly.  He's a very smart guy and I agree with most of what he wrote. 

Insulted? This man is a communist. He has outright called Christianity evil. He's talking about the beliefs that the US was founded on!

Any Jew who doesn't respect Christianity is a self-hating Jew. The Torah encourages us to embrace the Gentiles because they play a big role in our future. Massuh doesn't feel the same way. He feels he's above G-d, and can follow his own twisted version of Judaism, where he can hate the Christians and still consider himself a good Jew.

One of the biggest fundamentals of the Communist Manifesto is to tear down Christianity and the Constitution. Since the Christian faith is linked to that beautiful document, any hate torward Christianity or any of its beliefs is against the Constitution. Anyone who is against the Constitution is a communist. Any person who is against the Christian religion is a communist. Massauh is a communist, because he fits the bill of one perfectly.

[Barach Velvel ben Lazer Eliazer]

Re:  "...But the USA are one of the most Christian countries and they never tried to make a holocaust. This is in my oppinion a point against you..."

They stood by and whistled while the holocaust was occurring! Why?....

Precisely because of the christian beliefs that coulter was spouting...."the Jews are cursed, they won't accept yeshu....blah blah blah".

You do realize that many Christians and priests died in the Holocaust, don't you? And the majority of US troops were Christians! Your unfounded hate for Christianity is disgusting.

[OdKahaneChai]

I think that MassuhDGoodName has been insulted unjustly.  He's a very smart guy and I agree with most of what he wrote. 

Insulted? This man is a communist. He has outright called Christianity evil. He's talking about the beliefs that the US was founded on!

Any Jew who doesn't respect Christianity is a self-hating Jew. The Torah encourages us to embrace the Gentiles because they play a big role in our future. Massuh doesn't feel the same way. He feels he's above G-d, and can follow his own twisted version of Judaism, where he can hate the Christians and still consider himself a good Jew.

One of the biggest fundamentals of the Communist Manifesto is to tear down Christianity and the Constitution. Since the Christian faith is linked to that beautiful document, any hate torward Christianity or any of its beliefs is against the Constitution. Anyone who is against the Constitution is a communist. Any person who is against the Christian religion is a communist. Massauh is a communist, because he fits the bill of one perfectly.

Not true.  The Rambam and most Rabbis hold that Xtianity is Avodah Zara.

[Barach Velvel ben Lazer Eliazer]

I think that MassuhDGoodName has been insulted unjustly.  He's a very smart guy and I agree with most of what he wrote. 

Insulted? This man is a communist. He has outright called Christianity evil. He's talking about the beliefs that the US was founded on!

Any Jew who doesn't respect Christianity is a self-hating Jew. The Torah encourages us to embrace the Gentiles because they play a big role in our future. Massuh doesn't feel the same way. He feels he's above G-d, and can follow his own twisted version of Judaism, where he can hate the Christians and still consider himself a good Jew.

One of the biggest fundamentals of the Communist Manifesto is to tear down Christianity and the Constitution. Since the Christian faith is linked to that beautiful document, any hate torward Christianity or any of its beliefs is against the Constitution. Anyone who is against the Constitution is a communist. Any person who is against the Christian religion is a communist. Massauh is a communist, because he fits the bill of one perfectly.

Not true.  The Rambam and most Rabbis hold that Xtianity is Avodah Zara.

Which rabbis?

The only flaws Jews see in Christianity is the Christian's worship of Christ and their following of the Ten Commandments. We believe their imperfections can be cured by solely worshipping G-d and following the Seven Noahide Laws.

Now, see that's coming from a Jew from a Jewish perspective. So, how is what I just said any better than what Ann Coulter said. Stop feeding into the Nazi concepts of Media Matters, this is exactly what they want you to think!

Ann Coulter is following her religion to the way, the way G-d told her to in the Christian Bible. How anybody can fault on that is beyond me. Oh, wait, communists would.

[newman]

Re:  "...But the USA are one of the most Christian countries and they never tried to make a holocaust. This is in my oppinion a point against you..."

They stood by and whistled while the holocaust was occurring! Why?....

Precisely because of the christian beliefs that coulter was spouting...."the Jews are cursed, they won't accept yeshu....blah blah blah".

You do realize that many Christians and priests died in the Holocaust, don't you? And the majority of US troops were Christians! Your unfounded hate for Christianity is disgusting.

Those soldiers were fighting for their own countries' freedom, not to save Jews. The undeniable FACT is that allied governments did NOTHING while they knew full well about the death camps. The Vatican did a deal with the nazis and remained silent.

[RationalThought110]

What said Pat Buchanan exactly? And who is he?

Pat Buchanan was against the Iraq War and he was looking for people to blame it on.  So he wrote a book accusing it of being Israel's War and accusing the US of fighting Israel's War.  So on the issue of the Iraq War, Buchanan fueled propaganda for the far-left (such as moveon.org) and StørmFrønt type groups and encouraged them to blame the war on Israel. 


On domestic issues, Buchanan is conservative.

[RationalThought110]

Pat Buchanan (Fag Buchanus) is an infamous television political commentator (famous from Crossfire and the McLaughlin Group) who got his start as Nixon's speechwriter. He is a Nazi, of German and Irish descent, who admires Hitler, believes that Nazi war crimimals should not be prosecuted, and basically bashes Israel every chance he gets.

When Nixon was president, he continued the Vietnam War.  Do you know if that pissed off Buchanan? 

[RationalThought110]

Re:  "...But the USA are one of the most Christian countries and they never tried to make a holocaust. This is in my oppinion a point against you..."

AND THE OBVIOUS FACT THAT YOU KNOW NOTHING WHATSOEVER ABOUT THE TEACHINGS OF RABBI MEIR KAHANE, HAVE NEVER LISTENED TO A WORD HE SAID, HAVE NEVER READ A SINGLE BOOK OR ARTICLE BY HIM, SAYS WORLDS AGAINST YOU!

Then why don't you help educate him?

[genteelgentile]

It's time to lock this thread...

[RationalThought110]

Yes i remember, that Rabbi Kahane said that in similar words, in the interview with Larry King. There could be a danger, but the Americans i know personally, are differnt to the most Germans in one important point. They don't have this envy to economicial success. In Germany the most people yelling at the "rich". I think the half of all Germans likes the social welfare state. But the right way is to care for your family with own hard work. Perhaps this envy is one important cause for antisemitism.
When the american consciousness will change, from freedom to a socialistic attitude, there is shurly danger for the freedom and for the Jews. In this sight Rabbi Kahane is right.

"In Germany the most people yelling at the "rich".   

Do you ever listen to politicians speak.  Many Democrats try to provoke envy of economic success and they accuse Republicans of only being concerned about rich people. 


Hillary Clinton is the favorite to become president and her goal is to create a socialistic attitude. 

[MarZutra]

My two cents:  I think what Ann Coulter said was only her belief that most Christian sects advocate openly and/or silently.  Of course she disagrees with Jews and Judaism that is what makes her Christian.  Sadly, her ignorance is astounding in many areas aside from the basic Dem vs. Replicans imo. 

We all know that Christian support for the Jew and Israel is a minority.  Her statements were simply those akin to those Christian, Protestant, Lutherine, Catholic and even secular leaders over the centuries bringing the pogroms and inquisitions in Europe.....  Never say what happened in Europe cannot happen here.  Germany was the most "educated" and "enlightened" nation in Europe in the 1920-40's.  This is even happening in Israel...  so why people profess that it cannot happen in Canada, Australia or America is beyond me.  MassuhD is right on this.  Rabbi Kahane wrote extensively on this subject: "Never Again", "Uncomfortable Questions for Comfortable Jews", "Why Be Jewish?" to name a few of his books that mention or deal with the possibilities to which he justifies that only a Jewish Israel is the remedy to the plight of the Jews: "Dear World"....

I agree with Ann Coulter on political issues but she has out done herself.  She is not only an ignoramus when it comes to her knowledge on Christian history and that of Judaism....sadly like the majority of self professing "Christians" and "Jews".  Anyone who keeps an open mind and knows factually correct Christian History would conclude that with what 34000 sects of Christianity operating globally today, with far fewer during the first 1500 years of Christian History was nothing but conflict between Catholics vs. Pagan, State vs. Catholic, Catholic vs. Christian Sects., Christian Sects vs. Christian Sects. Christian vs. Catholic vs. Secular......and all vs. the Jew...  as per Ann Coulter...  I see nothing much has changed....imo

I remember listening to Savage engague Jerry Falwell and cut him short due to Falwell taking a similar public position as Ms. Coulter...with specific referance to a passage in John, I believe. 

MassuhD is spot on in this case....imo  and he is no self hating Jew nor a communist.... 

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

There are Jews who believe all Christians should convert to being at least Noahides. No, this is not the leadership position of JTF, but I am willing to bet that several JTF members feel this way, privately.

If I knew for a fact that some of you do believe and want that, will I stop liking them? No!

I don't care what anyone's opinion of what my faith should be is so long as I am treated with respect.
This should be the end of this thread.

Chaimfan

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

When Nixon was president, he continued the Vietnam War.  Do you know if that pissed off Buchanan? 

I do not think he gave a crap one way or the other. His only concern is punishing the Jews, not actual issues pertaining to the welfare and survival of America.

[RationalThought110]

I do not think he gave a crap one way or the other. His only concern is punishing the Jews, not actual issues pertaining to the welfare and survival of America.

Wasn't Buchanan was one of the first politicians or political pundits who recognized the problem of illegal aliens more than a decade ago?

[Dexter]

OK, I followed the link and read most of the interview.

Ann Coulter has a big mouth, and like I said earlier has absolutely no place lecturing about religion, but I don't see how she said anything horribly shocking. She gave the perspective of her faith (whether she is genuine in it or not), and knowing her, she couldn't really be expected to answer otherwise. I can't see how any rational person could gather from these comments that she wants a holocaust or anything remotely close.

There are Jews (not Chaim, but some others) who believe that the whole world should convert to Judaism too. There are even some Jewish supremacists (like the people at Revava) who think that Gentiles are subhuman. Do I like these views? No. Am I going to lose sleep over them? No.

That is not true, C.F.

[OdKahaneChai]

There are Jews (not Chaim, but some others) who believe that the whole world should convert to Judaism too.

Not Orthodox ones.  Some of the Conservatives proselytize.

There are even some Jewish supremacists (like the people at Revava) who think that Gentiles are subhuman.

That is also not a Jewish view.

[q_q_]

there is some rabbinical opinion that holds that all non-Jews are idolaters. Do I agree? No. Am I bothered? Not at all.

CF you`re just writing more untruths.  No jews think that gentiles are subhuman, (you thought jews on revava?  or elsewhere? Show us then)  You wrote that earlier, anad I stupidly let it pass. But somebody else said BS. Show your evidence.

Jews don`t anywhere.  Not secular jews. Not religious jews. Of any kind.

The closest thing, is the belief that Jews have a greater potential for holyness. By virtue of having a different soul, that is holier.     Many with that belief also hold that jews have a greater potential for not just good, but bad too. 

The only places I hve seen with this tripe, is from anti-semitic nazi sites or a muslim sites like the answering-christianity site, that copy/pasted from them.   The nazi sites quoted from israel shahak , a self hating anti-semite who had to admit that he made up a story about a religious jew refusing to save the life of a non-jew on shabbat.

And no. Non-jews aren`t viewed as idolators either. By anybody.

(there is an obscure passage in the talmud quoted by kahane, that jews living outside israel are -like- idolators.   But I don`t see how you could have confused that)

[Maccabi]

I don't think any Jew thinks the world should convert to Judaism.

Also, that s#it on nazi sites like 'Gentiles are subhuman' or Gentile girls are donkeys or whatever...that is ridiculous.

There is no possible way that any sane, righteous Jew thinks this way, nor is it hidden in some 'secret Jew Talmud'.

Hahaha I see that on all the arab muslim nazi comments and it gets annoying their lies and misinterpretations.

[aggressi0n]

I didn't read the whole thread only a little bit of the first post.

Anyways, she was being asked about how would the world be perfect in her eyes. She was saying she wished everyon was Christian and Conservative. Is there anything wrong with that? No. Everyone is claims to say their okay with other people having different views, but in a perfect world to you, everyone would think like you and you would love that you wouldn't be like "this sucks no one disagrees with me."

[Ulli]

I don't think any Jew thinks the world should convert to Judaism.

Also, that s#it on nazi sites like 'Gentiles are subhuman' or Gentile girls are donkeys or whatever...that is ridiculous.

There is no possible way that any sane, righteous Jew thinks this way, nor is it hidden in some 'secret Jew Talmud'.

Hahaha I see that on all the arab muslim nazi comments and it gets annoying their lies and misinterpretations.

I have never heard, that Jews want to convert gentiles to Jews too. I think, the way that Jews handle this conversion issue, is very smart. Only the person can become a Jew, who really feels like a Jew and learns all important theological issues about his new religion. When you look on the christian evangelization, i don't think that this aggressive "promotion" is the right way. Partly they have no standarts for convertites. What i have seen on the internet was insane. There is a "christian" group, which prints posters, where Jesus washes Osama bin Laden the feet. I think christian groups should handle this issue like the Jews. Then there will be less home made problems for them and our Christian Jewish cooperation. The most important thing is, the christians has to accept a "no". Some stories i have heard about "social institutions", who want to "trap" Jews, who have less knowledge about their religion, with social benefits to become christians are abhorrent. No Jew would do this. We christians should handle it like the Jews.

[Ulli]

I don't think any Jew thinks the world should convert to Judaism.

Also, that s#it on nazi sites like 'Gentiles are subhuman' or Gentile girls are donkeys or whatever...that is ridiculous.

There is no possible way that any sane, righteous Jew thinks this way, nor is it hidden in some 'secret Jew Talmud'.

Hahaha I see that on all the arab muslim nazi comments and it gets annoying their lies and misinterpretations.

I have never heard, that Jews want to convert gentiles to Jews too. I think, the way that Jews handle this conversion issue, is very smart. Only the person can become a Jew, who really feels like a Jew and learns all important theological issues about his new religion. When you look on the christian evangelization, i don't think that this aggressive "promotion" is the right way. Partly they have no standarts for convertites. What i have seen on the internet was insane. There is a "christian" group, which prints posters, where Jesus washes Osama bin Laden the feet. I think christian groups should handle this issue like the Jews. Then there will be less home made problems for them and our Christian Jewish cooperation. The most important thing is, the christians has to accept a "no". Some stories i have heard about "social institutions", who want to "trap" Jews, who have less knowledge about their religion, with social benefits to become christians are abhorrent. No Jew would do this. We christians should handle it like the Jews.

I think the best example for my thesis is Barak Hussein Obama!