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Do you keep kosher?

Yes, I'm a Jew.
14 (42.4%)
I'm a Jew but I don't.
9 (27.3%)
No, I'm a Gentile.
6 (18.2%)
I'm a Gentile but I eat kosher meat to avoid ever min ha'chai (Eating a limb from a live animal.).
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Re: Do you keep kosher?
« Reply #25 on: October 19, 2007, 06:43:23 PM »
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1. The actions of one Jew (aka eating pork etc..) affect other Jews as well. It's mutual responsability:

Don't mean to be rude but how can eating pork possibly affect you or a fellow Jew who is climbing the Himalayas 30,000 miles away ?

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So in my opinion, it is accurate, admirable and perfectly normal for Tzvi Ben Roshel to care.

He could express his concern in a more positive way.....no need for Mr. Tzvi Bin Roshel to be insulting.
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Re: Do you keep kosher?
« Reply #26 on: October 20, 2007, 08:54:35 PM »
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1. The actions of one Jew (aka eating pork etc..) affect other Jews as well. It's mutual responsability:

Don't mean to be rude but how can eating pork possibly affect you or a fellow Jew who is climbing the Himalayas 30,000 miles away ?

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So in my opinion, it is accurate, admirable and perfectly normal for Tzvi Ben Roshel to care.

He could express his concern in a more positive way.....no need for Mr. Tzvi Bin Roshel to be insulting.

Well, I will say the following:

1. You shouldn't do it, but you do it anyway.
2. Don't encourage other Jews to do it. If anything, say that even though you do it, it's not right.
3. The consequences of eating such things: between you and Gd and your body...just don't set an example that it is ok for a Jew to eat that kind of stuff.
If someone says something bad about you, say something nice about them. That way, both of you would be lying.

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Re: Do you keep kosher?
« Reply #27 on: October 20, 2007, 09:02:15 PM »
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I assumed your Jewish, am I right?
 If you are then, how can you feel good about that knowing that its against G-d's will and sooner or later you will experience pain for doing bad things. You can run away and lie in a human court but who can run from G-d?

Yes I am Jewish

What I eat and the consequeces of it are my business...plus what are you doing on the forum on Friday night ? Its Shabb--at.

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Your like a gay man marching in a fag parade.

Very grown up ! Even one of the butchered pigs can come up with a better sentence than that  :D





Just to clarify, It was 04:22:40 PM - NY time. Shabb--t started around 5:45 , for sure by 5, I left the forum and then welcomed and kept Shabb--t.
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My zeal incenses me, for my adversaries have forgotten Your words.
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 I am young and despised; I have not forgotten Your precepts.

" A fool does not realize, and an unwise person does not understand this (i.e. the following:) When the wicked bloom like grass, and the evildoers blossom (i.e. when they seem extremly successful), it is to destroy them forever (i.e. they are rewarded for their few good deeds in this World, and they will have no portion in the World to Come!)

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Re: Do you keep kosher?
« Reply #28 on: October 21, 2007, 01:53:26 PM »
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I invite you to read an interesting article about mutual responsibility from aish.com You may not have to agree with it but it is there for anyone to read: http://www.aish.com/literacy/concepts/Mutual_Responsibility.as

Good article. Makes sense to me. Thanks for sharing.

Maybe good if Tzvi read this:

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When first correcting a person, one should begin as politely and gently as possible, speaking to him privately, so as not to shame him in any way. If one knows that the person will be ashamed at the mention of the sin, he should not even correct him privately, but should merely hint at the sin and try to draw the person away from it.






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Re: Do you keep kosher?
« Reply #29 on: October 21, 2007, 02:52:59 PM »
You wouldnt want me to post to you about someone who is sinning and publicly announcing it as if its some sort of celebration, soo dont start. I wouldnt have criticized you if I saw you privatly, but what you post here and how you conduct yourself is shamefull and the sad part is that you not only feel bad about it, but make it into a joke which can influence others in sensing that the Mitzvot are light and not important (G-d forbid). Anyway I dont even see what I wrote to be offensive, so calm yourself and correct your wronge-doing.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2007, 02:55:22 PM by Tzvi Ben Roshel »
The Academy of Elijah taught, whoever studies the laws (of the Torah) every day, (he) is guaranteed to have a share in the World to Come.

‏119:139 צִמְּתַתְנִי קִנְאָתִי כִּישָׁכְחוּ דְבָרֶיךָ צָרָי
My zeal incenses me, for my adversaries have forgotten Your words.
‏119:141 צָעִיר אָנֹכִי וְנִבְזֶה פִּקֻּדֶיךָ, לֹא שָׁכָחְתִּי.
 I am young and despised; I have not forgotten Your precepts.

" A fool does not realize, and an unwise person does not understand this (i.e. the following:) When the wicked bloom like grass, and the evildoers blossom (i.e. when they seem extremly successful), it is to destroy them forever (i.e. they are rewarded for their few good deeds in this World, and they will have no portion in the World to Come!)

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Re: Do you keep kosher?
« Reply #30 on: October 21, 2007, 03:27:39 PM »
I kind of keep kosher. I have never ate pork purposefully.
Eat only vegetarian food out  and sometimes kosher meat or food products. I don’t eat prawns because they make me puke.

I know i'm not mean't to, but thats how it goes in my family.

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Re: Do you keep kosher?
« Reply #31 on: October 21, 2007, 03:49:45 PM »
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You wouldnt want me to post to you about someone who is sinning and publicly announcing it as if its some sort of celebration, soo dont start.

1) Celebration ? Right ! I better stop throwing those pork chop & bacon parties that I throw on Saturday nights. I said they were tasty. BIG DIFFERENCE

2) I accept. I was ignorant that we have an audience that are in a impressionable stage. I didn't mean for my opinion to encourage anyone else to undermine the Mitzvot.

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Anyway I dont even see what I wrote to be offensive,

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Your like a gay man marching in a fag parade.

I don't think you would appreciate someone making a similar remark. This is insulting. Does Mitzvot 501 not mean anything ?

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Re: Do you keep kosher?
« Reply #32 on: October 21, 2007, 04:02:47 PM »
 No Yacov, muslims are allowed to eat Kosher Food. They were allowed to eat christian kosher food in the past but it has changed, so now Jewish Kosher food is only permitted.
In the supermarket they sell Kosher food so we buy it, if there isn’t any halal food to buy. Halal isn’t just being slaughtered by a muslim, its slaughtering it in the name of God and in a certain way by the neck.

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Re: Do you keep kosher?
« Reply #33 on: October 21, 2007, 04:05:14 PM »
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muslims are allowed to eat Kosher Food.

Hey more money for us  ;)
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Re: Do you keep kosher?
« Reply #34 on: October 21, 2007, 05:35:32 PM »
I kind of keep kosher. I have never ate pork purposefully.
Eat only vegetarian food out  and sometimes kosher meat or food products. I don't eat prawns because they make me puke.

I know I'm not meant to, but thats how it goes in my family.


Halal is not kosher and kosher is not Halal. If your Muslim family eats kosher meat, they are breaking Islamic dietary laws. Halal means the meat was slaughtered by a Muslim, any Muslim. Kosher means it was slaughtered by a specially trained Jew.



Actually, Muslims can eat kosher and Halal

Jews can only eat kosher, but not Halal.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2007, 05:47:00 PM by Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim »
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Re: Do you keep kosher?
« Reply #35 on: October 21, 2007, 06:08:34 PM »
Yacov Muslims do eat kosher meat. For meat to be halal one as to kill it by the neck and say that its for G-d. I dont think they eat christian meat becuase of the trinity issue, and I heard a muslim complaining about even avoiding kosher meat becuase according to him as each animal is killed they have to say "Its for Allah", or G-d, and not on the group as a whole.
 Anyway througout the ages muslims brought meat from Jews. When meat wasnt Kosher in accorince to the rules of the Sefardim (has to be Glatt Kosher only) it was sold to muslims. I also belive that today the part of the leg that has some vein were not allowed to eat, might be sold to muslims or maybe just to any non-jewish group of people because its not allowed for us but allowed for them.
The Academy of Elijah taught, whoever studies the laws (of the Torah) every day, (he) is guaranteed to have a share in the World to Come.

‏119:139 צִמְּתַתְנִי קִנְאָתִי כִּישָׁכְחוּ דְבָרֶיךָ צָרָי
My zeal incenses me, for my adversaries have forgotten Your words.
‏119:141 צָעִיר אָנֹכִי וְנִבְזֶה פִּקֻּדֶיךָ, לֹא שָׁכָחְתִּי.
 I am young and despised; I have not forgotten Your precepts.

" A fool does not realize, and an unwise person does not understand this (i.e. the following:) When the wicked bloom like grass, and the evildoers blossom (i.e. when they seem extremly successful), it is to destroy them forever (i.e. they are rewarded for their few good deeds in this World, and they will have no portion in the World to Come!)

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Re: Do you keep kosher?
« Reply #36 on: October 21, 2007, 06:38:49 PM »
Just to clarify - muslims can and do eat kosher food, but Jews CANT eat Halal, becuase the rules of Halaha (Jewish law) is a lot more stringent, so Jews must eat Glatt Kosher, and according to very few can eat just kosher. By the way even soo called kosher resturants should be watched out for expecially at saturday nights, becuase some of them claim to be kosher, but cook and turn on the heat during Shabb---t ( I have a friend who told me that, and its not doubtfull becuase by just calling it kosher without the proper Hasgafa and without it being Glatt, can and does cause a lot of problems and they cant be trusted.
The Academy of Elijah taught, whoever studies the laws (of the Torah) every day, (he) is guaranteed to have a share in the World to Come.

‏119:139 צִמְּתַתְנִי קִנְאָתִי כִּישָׁכְחוּ דְבָרֶיךָ צָרָי
My zeal incenses me, for my adversaries have forgotten Your words.
‏119:141 צָעִיר אָנֹכִי וְנִבְזֶה פִּקֻּדֶיךָ, לֹא שָׁכָחְתִּי.
 I am young and despised; I have not forgotten Your precepts.

" A fool does not realize, and an unwise person does not understand this (i.e. the following:) When the wicked bloom like grass, and the evildoers blossom (i.e. when they seem extremly successful), it is to destroy them forever (i.e. they are rewarded for their few good deeds in this World, and they will have no portion in the World to Come!)

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http://torahanytime.com/
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Re: Do you keep kosher?
« Reply #37 on: October 21, 2007, 07:08:49 PM »
I always look for the K or the circled U.

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Re: Do you keep kosher?
« Reply #38 on: October 21, 2007, 07:09:57 PM »
regular K is definitly not allways kosher , unless kelloge cereal.
The Academy of Elijah taught, whoever studies the laws (of the Torah) every day, (he) is guaranteed to have a share in the World to Come.

‏119:139 צִמְּתַתְנִי קִנְאָתִי כִּישָׁכְחוּ דְבָרֶיךָ צָרָי
My zeal incenses me, for my adversaries have forgotten Your words.
‏119:141 צָעִיר אָנֹכִי וְנִבְזֶה פִּקֻּדֶיךָ, לֹא שָׁכָחְתִּי.
 I am young and despised; I have not forgotten Your precepts.

" A fool does not realize, and an unwise person does not understand this (i.e. the following:) When the wicked bloom like grass, and the evildoers blossom (i.e. when they seem extremly successful), it is to destroy them forever (i.e. they are rewarded for their few good deeds in this World, and they will have no portion in the World to Come!)

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Re: Do you keep kosher?
« Reply #39 on: October 21, 2007, 07:53:00 PM »
I need a refresher course on the kashrut dietary laws, then I can start keeping kosher as best as I can in my environment. Does anyone have a link to a site detailing the laws of kashrut?
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Re: Do you keep kosher?
« Reply #40 on: October 21, 2007, 09:09:02 PM »
I need a refresher course on the kashrut dietary laws, then I can start keeping kosher as best as I can in my environment. Does anyone have a link to a site detailing the laws of kashrut?


http://dailyhalacha.com/displayResult.asp?CategoryID=21

The Academy of Elijah taught, whoever studies the laws (of the Torah) every day, (he) is guaranteed to have a share in the World to Come.

‏119:139 צִמְּתַתְנִי קִנְאָתִי כִּישָׁכְחוּ דְבָרֶיךָ צָרָי
My zeal incenses me, for my adversaries have forgotten Your words.
‏119:141 צָעִיר אָנֹכִי וְנִבְזֶה פִּקֻּדֶיךָ, לֹא שָׁכָחְתִּי.
 I am young and despised; I have not forgotten Your precepts.

" A fool does not realize, and an unwise person does not understand this (i.e. the following:) When the wicked bloom like grass, and the evildoers blossom (i.e. when they seem extremly successful), it is to destroy them forever (i.e. they are rewarded for their few good deeds in this World, and they will have no portion in the World to Come!)

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Re: Do you keep kosher?
« Reply #41 on: October 21, 2007, 09:14:27 PM »
I need a refresher course on the kashrut dietary laws, then I can start keeping kosher as best as I can in my environment. Does anyone have a link to a site detailing the laws of kashrut?

http://dailyhalacha.com/displayResult.asp?CategoryID=21

Thanks Tzvi.
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Re: Do you keep kosher?
« Reply #42 on: October 21, 2007, 09:20:51 PM »
An Arab in Israel told me that any Muslim kill slaughter for it to be Halal and that he could too. But I don't think he was a real Muslim though unless he was practicing taqiyya. He was a contractor building an addition to my uncle's house.

Why is your uncle hiring arabs? If people stopped hiring them and there were no jobs for them to do, they would emigrate.
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Re: Do you keep kosher?
« Reply #43 on: October 21, 2007, 09:31:57 PM »
Kashrut and halal are similar but definitely not the same. No non muslim should eat anything that is halal



halal markings are different but the arabic writing on them are the same. Everyone would do well to remember it. muslims are filthy and their food processing plants are no better. To make matters worse, meat slaughtered is in the name of their false satanic g o d. With kosher products, you can be sure that there are no ground human meat or anything else disgusting will not be in it. And the animals have not had beastality committed against them either.
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Re: Do you keep kosher?
« Reply #44 on: October 22, 2007, 04:45:45 PM »
Kashrut and halal are similar but definitely not the same. No non muslim should eat anything that is halal



halal markings are different but the arabic writing on them are the same. Everyone would do well to remember it. muslims are filthy and their food processing plants are no better. To make matters worse, meat slaughtered is in the name of their false satanic g o d. With kosher products, you can be sure that there are no ground human meat or anything else disgusting will not be in it. And the animals have not had beastality committed against them either.

Actually a halal butcher near us, has more non-muslim customers then muslim ones. The meat isn't too expensive and tastes the same if not fresher.

Yacov Christians after the time of Jesus did have dietry laws they followed but those have been neglected. They used to follow similar laws as that of Jews but not to your extent.

Any muslim can slaughter an animal to eat, but only if they do so in the name of God and by the neck. It isn't for certain people to only do.

Normal meat in Christian countries such as America/U.K is usually a result of animals being shot etc. Without the blood being drained properly. Instead being left inside the animal for a while. Cutting by the neck, releases the blood and the heart cannot pump a whole length along the body because of the circulation cut. When an animal is shot it can.