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Shold the prostitution be unbanned ?

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Offline Eugene

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Prostituion
« on: October 15, 2007, 11:31:53 PM »
I see there was a guy who talked about a marijuana be unbanned. Now lets us make a poll should a prostituion be unbanned in other state and be same as in Nevada or Netherlands. Yes or NO and why not write your comments.
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Re: Prostituion
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2007, 11:34:11 PM »
Murder is legal in Africa. Should we follow suit here?

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Re: Prostituion
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2007, 11:34:55 PM »
No, it should remain illegal.  Its demeaning, dangerous and gross and immoral for women...and what kind of guy needs to see a prostitute, losers.

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Re: Prostituion
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2007, 11:35:40 PM »
It is a fundamental cause of moral destruction.

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Re: Prostituion
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2007, 11:48:15 PM »
No, it should remain illegal.  Its demeaning, dangerous and gross and immoral for women...and what kind of guy needs to see a prostitute, losers.

Lol. Is a prostitute different from a concubine?

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Re: Prostituion
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2007, 11:50:39 PM »
I think the prostitute gets paid....the concubine just gets some smelly muslim for as long as he wants to use her.....id rather die than be either ;)

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Re: Prostituion
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2007, 11:52:16 PM »
I think the prostitute gets paid....the concubine just gets some smelly muslim for as long as he wants to use her.....id rather die than be either ;)

I think what he means is just any woman in general that fornicates...

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Re: Prostituion
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2007, 12:00:32 AM »
Ahhh well getting paid for it is illegal and immoral, sleeping around is just immoral.

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Re: Prostituion
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2007, 12:05:52 AM »
I mean it's obvious...no...

why?

1. Disease

and

2. Women aren't meat..they're people with souls to love and cherish.
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Re: Prostituion
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2007, 12:18:39 AM »
I mean it's obvious...no...

why?

1. Disease

and

2. Women aren't meat..they're people with souls to love and cherish.



Objection. You dont know where people meet with soul to love, for G-d made this world unpredictable and unexpectable. There was a cases when man married a prostitue. Read novel called a Magic Berrel.
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Re: Prostituion
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2007, 12:25:56 AM »

Objection. You dont know where people meet with soul to love, for G-d made this world unpredictable and unexpectable. There was a cases when man married a prostitue. Read novel called a Magic Berrel.

So you believe prostitution should be legalized because of a novel you read?

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Re: Prostituion
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2007, 12:35:17 AM »

Objection. You dont know where people meet with soul to love, for G-d made this world unpredictable and unexpectable. There was a cases when man married a prostitue. Read novel called a Magic Berrel.

So you believe prostitution should be legalized because of a novel you read?

no not only because of that becasue of the women and make free choices and it's people business wether they want to see a prostitute or not. In addition for a women if she want to be a prostitute or not that is her own choice. Novel i read has nothing to do what i belive it's just a simple example that you can find a soul mate even in thst situation
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Re: Prostituion
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2007, 12:44:48 AM »
Should the law allow people to make a free choice to murder someone as well? Now I know you'll say "but prostitution is nowhere near as bad as murder"..

I say this:
Why give a woman the option to turn her body into a peace of meat? And why give a man the option to succumb to prostitution rather than find a woman he loves in a moral fashion? Both men and women destroy themselves and make the people around them suffer because of the many consequences entangled in prostitution.


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Re: Prostituion
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2007, 12:46:05 AM »
It's immoral and disgusting. Only degenerates hire prostitutes and become one.

This evil is one of the world's oldest, but it has grew due to the declining degree of morality in the US.

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Re: Prostituion
« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2007, 12:46:10 AM »
Yes.  It is demeaning to the poor women.

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Re: Prostituion
« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2007, 12:50:04 AM »
The real question should be...

Should they be allowed to accept VISA & MASTERCHARGE?

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Re: Prostituion
« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2007, 12:50:50 AM »
Pornography is WORSE than prostitiution.

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« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2007, 12:51:19 AM »
The real question should be...

Should they be allowed to accept VISA & MASTERCHARGE?

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Re: Prostituion
« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2007, 01:18:20 AM »
Couldn't have said it better myself Mills  O0

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Re: Prostituion
« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2007, 01:34:01 AM »
Its demeaning to the unfortunate women.

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« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2007, 01:38:12 AM »
While many can argue the economical benefits and say that with prostitution legal, it would be "easier to regulate" etc...
I have come up with 10 reasons as to why it should NEVER be legal

1) It carries diseases (like cosmokramer mentioned)

2) Sexual immodesty only serves to make a nation suffer in the long run, as it violates sexual modesty/morality.

3) Sets a bad example for young boys who grow up degrading and abusing women, seeing no value in them except for sexu@l gratification.

4)Makes young girls accept being mistreated and takes away from their self worth.

5) After the damage to boys and girls, mental/mood problems may rise in a population (depression, anxiety etc...)

6) Is detrimental to a woman's spirituality and leads her to sin. Takes away from purity

7) Leads a man to sin as well and that can cause spiritual harm, Takes away from purity as well

8)Any person who supports it but does not engage in it is ALSO responsible for the sin since they were responsible for leading them to sin. (by voting pro, speaking for it ie...encouraging the situation)

9) End result is a more perverted sinful nation leading to an internal rotting of society from the inside

10) If G-d would have allowed it, we would not get the feeling that is is morally wrong. BUT we do feel it is bad, even when a man solicits and feels pleasure, he still feels sleazy and "hides it" (so do women in that situation) If it is so "good" why hide it! In my humble opinion, people hide it because they know in their guts, that is is wrong. Just like Adam and Eve knew they sined, so do people feel bad when they solicit or commit these acts, because it degrades the body and causes a soul to cry out in pain. See, while humans may act a certain way of selfishness, ignorance, evil inclination etc... the soul always knows when something is a sin or not.


Feminism is far worse than prostitution.

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Re: Prostituion
« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2007, 01:47:31 AM »
I'm not sure which side I come down on, there are lots of factors to take into consideration.

Since everyone seems to think the that it should remain illegal, I'm going to make the argument that it should be made LEGAL.

Free-market principle: adults with free wills should be able to make decisions as to which economic activities they want to engage in, as long as it does not do harm to other people.  This assumes that the harm that it would do to "public morality" or "people's sense of decency" doesn't hold any ground, or that the harm to prostitutes (or people who become infected with sexually transmitted diseases) that results from it being illegal, grossly outweighs any harm to public morality.

If a woman owns her own body, the state should not violate her right to do whichever she pleases, as long as she is not harming other people in the process.

If prostitution were made legal, the business would be taken out of the hands of criminals, who might use the ill-gotten gains to further other criminal ends.  It would also be a blow to any criminal organizations such as gangs or mafias that may control prostitution.

It would cut-down on the victimization of prostitutes because they wouldn't be taken advantage of by pimps.  There would be no such thing as women being in prostitution against their will, because if the government was in charge of it, women could enter and leave the profession freely as they chose.  No one could force them to stay in prostitution.

The proliferation of sexually transmitted diseases would be lowered because the government would regulate prostitutes  and they would be checked for STDs and there would be specific regulations as to condom use, etc. that would cut down on the spread of sexually transmitted diseases.  There would be little chance for the prostitutes to be abused, because if they were abused, their abuser would be able to be charged by the state.  Currently, prostitutes fear going to the authorities about abuse because they are afraid that they will be arrested for doing so, so they are allowed to be abused with impunity.

Of course these arguments only work if the rates of the government regulated prostitutes would be the same as the illicit prostitution current-market rates or lower. 

In summation, the spread of STDs, abuse of prostitutes with impunity, and the coercive ability of pimps to force their prostitutes to remain in the business would  all be nearly eliminated. 

Have you guys ever seen the reality show of the prostitutes in a Nevada brothel?  They are well taken care of, they get paid well, they are not infested with diseases because they are regulated, and they are able to leave prostitution freely as they choose.  I remember there was one lady who was getting paid well enough where she was going to leave prostitution and start her own business.  Now compare that to the common street prostitute who is at the mercy of her pimp, is completely unregulated as to STDs, and who is sometimes forced at threat of herself or family members to stay in the prostitution business.     
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Re: Prostituion
« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2007, 02:28:07 AM »
I'm not sure which side I come down on, there are lots of factors to take into consideration.

Since everyone seems to think the that it should remain illegal, I'm going to make the argument that it should be made LEGAL.

Free-market principle: adults with free wills should be able to make decisions as to which economic activities they want to engage in, as long as it does not do harm to other people.  This assumes that the harm that it would do to "public morality" or "people's sense of decency" doesn't hold any ground, or that the harm to prostitutes (or people who become infected with sexually transmitted diseases) that results from it being illegal, grossly outweighs any harm to public morality.

If a woman owns her own body, the state should not violate her right to do whichever she pleases, as long as she is not harming other people in the process.

If prostitution were made legal, the business would be taken out of the hands of criminals, who might use the ill-gotten gains to further other criminal ends.  It would also be a blow to any criminal organizations such as gangs or mafias that may control prostitution.

It would cut-down on the victimization of prostitutes because they wouldn't be taken advantage of by pimps.  There would be no such thing as women being in prostitution against their will, because if the government was in charge of it, women could enter and leave the profession freely as they chose.  No one could force them to stay in prostitution.

The proliferation of sexually transmitted diseases would be lowered because the government would regulate prostitutes  and they would be checked for STDs and there would be specific regulations as to condom use, etc. that would cut down on the spread of sexually transmitted diseases.  There would be little chance for the prostitutes to be abused, because if they were abused, their abuser would be able to be charged by the state.  Currently, prostitutes fear going to the authorities about abuse because they are afraid that they will be arrested for doing so, so they are allowed to be abused with impunity.

Of course these arguments only work if the rates of the government regulated prostitutes would be the same as the illicit prostitution current-market rates or lower. 

In summation, the spread of STDs, abuse of prostitutes with impunity, and the coercive ability of pimps to force their prostitutes to remain in the business would  all be nearly eliminated. 

Have you guys ever seen the reality show of the prostitutes in a Nevada brothel?  They are well taken care of, they get paid well, they are not infested with diseases because they are regulated, and they are able to leave prostitution freely as they choose.  I remember there was one lady who was getting paid well enough where she was going to leave prostitution and start her own business.  Now compare that to the common street prostitute who is at the mercy of her pimp, is completely unregulated as to STDs, and who is sometimes forced at threat of herself or family members to stay in the prostitution business.     

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Re: Prostituion
« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2007, 07:05:30 AM »
I vote YES, to be legal b/c of people's right to decide about their own body, as Let-be-land states the right to privacy. But prostitution is a great disgrace to a human being. I think we all should take care of the economic and moral needs of prostitutes to help them to live with dignity and give up that undignifying "job". We must also take care of those men who seek a prostitute.
Sex without love is really sad. Sex involves one's soul, not only the body.
Let-be-land states that everyone must be not only free, but also given the opportunities to live with dignity. To develop his mind and soul with freedom and opportunities. And not only about his basic vital needs, but also to grow in goodness and knowledge.
Prostitution is absolutely against Letbelandic idea!!!!

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Re: Prostituion
« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2007, 07:34:43 AM »
I think prostitution should be unbanned..

here in Australia it is allowed but street prostitution is banned..

i think that people who are lonely should have some source of enjoyment if they cant get it from any other source....