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Save Western Civilization => Save Serbia => Topic started by: the truth must be told on November 06, 2007, 12:31:14 PM
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as a jew who had family killed by fascist cetnik forces during wwII I am disgusted by this website and some of the things that are written on here by serbs who chose to lie about their true past.
the fact of the matter is that the chetniks were collaborators with the nazis. and yet these vile and despicable war criminals somehow managed to dodge blame for the atrocities they committed against my people during wwII. not only that but they are glorified in present day serbia which isnt much of a surprise seeing how they tried to ethnically cleanse the entire former yugoslavia of non-serbs. and then I see user's on this forum with names such as chetnik this or that? HOW DARE YOU try and affiliate yourself with such war criminals. do you not know what they did to the jews during wwII? how dense are some of you people.
the serbs were the first to proclaim their country free of jews during world war II as they did their best to help the nazi's kill off serbia's jewish population. and then they have the audacity to completely ignore their past like nothing of the sort happened.
here is a link to a great book that opened my eyes during university, it was on the reading list to a course I took on the jews in east central europe. please my jewish bretheren read this book and it will open your eyes about our "friends" in serbia
http://www.amazon.com/Serbias-Secret-War-Propaganda-European/dp/0890967601
and has anyone seen or heard about this? absolutely deplorable:
http://www.charlotte.com/200/story/346476.html
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I've heard from other people aswell that Serbians don't particularly like Jews aswell. Question is how true is this ?.
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BAN THIS NAZICROAT TAKKIYAH USER.
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BAN THIS NAZICROAT TAKKIYAH USER.
Instead of banning him, disproove what he is saying.
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listen up you fascist nazi cetnik!
why dont you tell me this? if serbs are so nice to their jewish friends why did they help in systematically trying to kill all of them in serbia during wwII?
and what do you think about this quote from the newspaper article?
Rare Jewish survivors of the camp are outraged.
"Do those people know what really happened here?" said Mihailo Berberijan, 101.
Mosic said the surviving tower should be returned to the state's ownership, and converted into a Holocaust museum containing photographs and documents of the lost Serbian Jews.
A small cracked marble plaque dedicated to the Yugoslav victims is mounted on a wall surrounded by high weeds and empty beer cans. But it doesn't specifically mention the Jews.
"The only former camp in Europe which doesn't have a monument for the killed Jews," Mosic said. "It's our shame."
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as a jew who had family killed by fascist cetnik forces during wwII I am disgusted by this website and some of the things that are written on here by serbs who chose to lie about their true past.
the fact of the matter is that the chetniks were collaborators with the nazis. and yet these vile and despicable war criminals somehow managed to dodge blame for the atrocities they committed against my people during wwII. not only that but they are glorified in present day serbia which isnt much of a surprise seeing how they tried to ethnically cleanse the entire former yugoslavia of non-serbs. and then I see user's on this forum with names such as chetnik this or that? HOW DARE YOU try and affiliate yourself with such war criminals. do you not know what they did to the jews during wwII? how dense are some of you people.
the serbs were the first to proclaim their country free of jews during world war II as they did their best to help the nazi's kill off serbia's jewish population. and then they have the audacity to completely ignore their past like nothing of the sort happened.
here is a link to a great book that opened my eyes during university, it was on the reading list to a course I took on the jews in east central europe. please my jewish bretheren read this book and it will open your eyes about our "friends" in serbia
http://www.amazon.com/Serbias-Secret-War-Propaganda-European/dp/
and has anyone seen or heard about this? absolutely deplorable:
http://www.charlotte.com/200/story/.html
"Nearly all of Belgrade's 8,000 Jews were killed at Sajmiste soon after it was set up in 1941 at the site of the Belgrade Fair exhibition ground, Mosic said. Thousands of leftists and Serb nationalists also were killed at the camp."
""The intention was to intimidate the Serb population by letting them see what was going on inside the camp," he said. "For our small nation, the Sajmiste camp was as horrendous as Dachau or Sachenhosen in Germany.""
"Sajmiste, or Judenlager Zemlin as Germans used to call it, was eclipsed in size by Jasenovac, the biggest death camp on Yugoslav territory. About 20,000 Jews, in addition to tens of thousands of Serbs, Gypsies and Croatian anti-fascists, died in that camp run by Croatia's Nazi puppet regime, unlike Sajmiste which was directly under German command."
The link you provided basically says that Jews as well as Serbs and leftists were killed in a camp in Serbia that was run by the Germans and which didn't compare to the killing in a camp run by Croats.
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ah yes!!! and that is why you read the book I provided a link for ...
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ah yes!!! and that is why you read the book I provided a link for ...
First of all, the link you provided does not work. Second, Amazon does not yet support instantaneous delivery of books. However, my statement still stands. The link you provided does not support your position.
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the link is working fine for me
and that book should be readily available in a library of any major academic institution
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Instead of banning him, disproove what he is saying.
Chill HiWarp....You can't ban the guy for having a different opinion -
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the link is working fine for me
and that book should be readily available in a library of any major academic institution
link is not working
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Instead of banning him, disproove what he is saying.
Chill HiWarp....You can't ban the guy for having a different opinion -
I did not ask for him to be banned.
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working fine over here
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Serbia's Secret War: Propaganda and the Deceit of History (Eastern European Studies , No 2) (Paperback)
by Philip J. Cohen (Author), David Riesman (Author)
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BAN THIS NAZICROAT TAKKIYAH USER.
Instead of banning him, disproove what he is saying.
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Sorry ....I meant Husar ! Husar you cannot ban this person because he disagrees with JTF. Why not let him prove his point. I am open to any sensible debate !
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No way that you are an Jew from Serbia ;)
There is no concentration camp on balkans, where Jews are not killed along with Serbs.
More Serbs than Jews, cause more Serbs live on Balkans.
Even site that you send
http://www.charlotte.com/200/story/346476.html
clearly say:
"the site where some 48,000 Jews, Serbs and Gypsies perished in the 1940s"
BTW that concentration camp was on north bank of Sava river in Zemun, it used to be NDH (independent State of Croatia) during the WWII.
than, it says:
"8,000 Jews were killed at Sajmiste"
What do you think, what nationality were other 40.000 people?
"the Serbs were the first to proclaim their country free of Jews during world war II"
Truth is that German occupation forces (not Serbs) in Serbia proclaim Belgrade (not Serbia) first "judenfrei" city.
How they manage to do that?
I don't know but personally think that was easy job for them cause small Jewish comunity used to live mostly in northwest part of downtown Belgrade (Dorcol) so that may make their job easier.
But you should ask Germans about that.
See, Serbia was occupied in WWII unlike Croatia (which I think is where you barking from) where Germans are welcomed with flowers, like this video shows.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c39hqCyKVK4&feature=PlayList&p=84DCED48514A1B20&index=7
For thinks that happened in Serbia during the WWII you always should ask occupation forces not Serbs.
Serbia was ONLY country in WWII Europe, where Germas announced that they will kill 100 Serbs for 1 German soldier, and trust me, they kept their promise.
Chetniks were not collaborators, and you making that statement only makes me sure that you are Croat.
Forgoth that "croats feeling better about themselves" propaganda and try listen what some Allie officers think on that subject.
http://ravnagora.blogster.com/testifying_mihailovich.html
or the other one
http://www.bannerofliberty.com/OS5-00MQC/5-29-2000.1.html
or for example, Ronald Regan
http://draza-mihailovich.blogspot.com/2006/07/photo-of-ronald-reagan-commentary-on.html
or USA it selves.
http://draza-mihailovich.blogspot.com/2006/07/mihailovich-legion-of-merit-medal.html
or if you simply could look closely at my avatar, you will see it is an US Army captain with Chetik hat on hes head.
P.S. Please don't bother to send that WWII nazi propaganda posters on Serbian language (that bosnian muslims like to post so much) cause that is same nazi propaganda that you can find in any other country occupied by Germans during the war.
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I've heard from other people aswell that Serbians don't particularly like Jews aswell.
Tomorrow I'll show you that in Serbia its not needed for anyone to like, or dislike Jews.
Jews have their place in Serbia and they earn it by their blood, curage and loyalty to Serbian state not by somebody's feelings.
Serbs are not the people that needs to build monuments for Jews killed during the WWII to apologize themselves for bad behaviour towards Jews.
Any nazi WWII concentration camp on Balkans killed more Serbs than Jews.
We have nothing to be ashaimed of, except bringing communists in charge after WWII >:(
But it has nothing to do with Jews, of course.
I just need to take some photos of monuments that are build in honor of Jews that died in Wars against Turks, Balkan Wars and WWI, than you will understand what I mean.
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as a jew who had family killed by fascist cetnik forces during wwII I am disgusted by this website and some of the things that are written on here by serbs who chose to lie about their true past.
the fact of the matter is that the chetniks were collaborators with the nazis. and yet these vile and despicable war criminals somehow managed to dodge blame for the atrocities they committed against my people during wwII. not only that but they are glorified in present day serbia which isnt much of a surprise seeing how they tried to ethnically cleanse the entire former yugoslavia of non-serbs. and then I see user's on this forum with names such as chetnik this or that? HOW DARE YOU try and affiliate yourself with such war criminals. do you not know what they did to the jews during wwII? how dense are some of you people.
the serbs were the first to proclaim their country free of jews during world war II as they did their best to help the nazi's kill off serbia's jewish population. and then they have the audacity to completely ignore their past like nothing of the sort happened.
here is a link to a great book that opened my eyes during university, it was on the reading list to a course I took on the jews in east central europe. please my jewish bretheren read this book and it will open your eyes about our "friends" in serbia
http://www.amazon.com/Serbias-Secret-War-Propaganda-European/dp/0890967601
and has anyone seen or heard about this? absolutely deplorable:
http://www.charlotte.com/200/story/346476.html
http://hgs.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/4/3/323 (http://hgs.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/4/3/323)
http://libcom.org/library/role-catholic-church-yugoslavias-holocaust-se-n-mac-math-na-1941-1945 (http://libcom.org/library/role-catholic-church-yugoslavias-holocaust-se-n-mac-math-na-1941-1945)
http://emperors-clothes.com/vatican/cpix.htm (http://emperors-clothes.com/vatican/cpix.htm)
http://philologos.org/bpr/files/Vatican/vs001a.htm (http://philologos.org/bpr/files/Vatican/vs001a.htm)
http://www.juliagorin.com/wordpress/?p=560 (http://www.juliagorin.com/wordpress/?p=560)
http://www.byzantinesacredart.com/blog/2006/11/heroic-serbia-wwii.html (http://www.byzantinesacredart.com/blog/2006/11/heroic-serbia-wwii.html)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/838425/posts (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/838425/posts)
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@merkava, dexter, bullcat3:
SINCE YOU WANT TO "debate",
WHAT'S THIS ?!!!!!
http://www.ultimatum.20m.com/3_4bih_kardinal.htm
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MLADEN SCHWARTZ IS AN OPENLY USTASHA JEW.
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
SO I WONDER LESS, NOW, WHY YOU DO NOT BAN NAZICROATS EASILY.
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DEAR JEWISH JTF-ers what's this with:"You have to debate with him, you have to debate with her".
Do you really believe what this Croats are saying and to their posts?
I mean WHAT IS THIS?!
They (croats) are saying that Serbs hate Jews?!
That Serbs are anti-semites?!
THAT IS UNBELIEVABLE!
Who's anti-semitism resulted with THE HOLOCAUST!
WHO'S?!
We must debate with that kind of people! :o :o :o
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NAZICROAT BEFRIENDING JTFers CAN GO THERE....
....AND SHOOT SOME SERBS, TOO:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=111283
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Although the Serbian version of history portrays wartime Serbia as a helpless, occupied territory, Serbian newspapers of the period offer a portrait of intensive collaboration. In Serbia during WW2, a new pro-Nazi government was established under the leadership of General Milan Nedic which governed until 1945. Nedic supported Hitler and met with him in 1943. Indeed, with Nazi blessings, Nedic established the Serbian State Guard, numbering about 20,000, compared to the 3,400 German police in Serbia. Recruiting advertisements for the Serb police force specified that "applicants must have no Jewish or Gypsy blood". This new government established even harsher racial laws than Prince Paul had enacted and immediately established three concentration camps for Jews, Gypsies and others. Nedic formed his own paramilitary storm troops known as the State Guard. The Guard was comprised of former members of the Cetniks which had existed as an all-Serbian para-military police force under Alexander and Paul to enforce loyally from non-Serbian members of the armed forces. When Yugoslavia disintegrated, one faction of cetniks swore allegiance to the new Serbian Nazi government. Another group remained under the pre-war leader Kosta Pecanac who openly collaborated with the Germans. A third Cetnik faction followed the Serbian Fascist Dimitrije Ljotic. Ljotic's units were primarily responsible for tracking down Jews, Gypsies and Partisans for execution or deportation to concentration camps.
The Serbian Orthodox Church openly collaborated with the Nazis, and many priests publicly defended the persecution of the Jews. On 13 August 1941, approximately 500 distinguished Serbs signed "An Appeal to the Serbian Nation", which called for loyalty to the occupying Nazis. The first three signers were bishops of the Serbian Orthodox Church. On 30 January 1942, Metropolitan Josif, the acting head of the Holy Synod of the Serbian Orthodox Church, officially prohibited conversions of Jews to Serbian Orthodoxy, thereby blocking a means of saving Jewish lives. At a public rally, after the government Minister Olcan "thanked God that the enormously powerful fist of Germany had not come down upon the head of the Serbian nation" but instead "upon the heads of the Jews in our midst", the speaker of these words was then blessed by a high-ranking Serbian Orthodox priest.
Bishop Nikolaj Velimirovic, today revered by the majority of Orthodox Serbs as the greatest Serbian religious figure since medieval times and recently canonized as a saint by the Serbian Orthodox Church, espoused writings that were anti-semitic. He claimed that "democracy, labour strikes, socialism, atheism, tolerance to other faiths, pacifism, revolution, capitalism and communism" were all "brought on" by the Jews and "their father the Devil". He was puzzled why the Europeans showed so much tolerance to them and could not see through their "ploys". He also criticized European scientific achievements in the field of particle physics for being anti-Chrtistian and possibly introduced by Jews. Further, he criticized the "mania for cleanliness" as being introduced by the Jews. (Here he used an archaic pejorative term 'Civutin').
Contrary to popular perception of Bishop Velimirovic as somebody who was actively engaged in saving Jews from Nazi-occupied Serbia, only one such action has any basis in history. Ela Trifunovic, born Neuheus, wrote to the Serbian Orthodox Church in 2001, claiming that she had spent 18 months hiding in Ljubostinja monastery where she was smuggled by Velimirovic, guarded and later helped move on with false papers.
In a speech in 1939, Bishop Velimirovic claimed that Serbs were of Arian race "by blood". In the same speech he talked of tribes of "poorer race and lower faith".(Speech for 550th Vidovdan, 28 June 1939 in Ravanica Monastery). In a treatise on Saint Sava, he expressed his admiration for Hitler by comparing him to Saint Sava. He said that Saint Sava had already done for the Serbs what Hitler was doing for the Germans. (See "Nationalism of Saint Sava", in Collected Works of Nikolaj Velimirovic (Vladimir Maksimovic: Belgrade 1996), page 36.
By August 1942 the Serbian government would proudly announce that Belgrade was the first city in the New Order to be Judenfrei or "free of Jews." Only 1,115 of Belgrade's twelve thousand Jews would survive. Ninty-five per cent of the Jewish population of Serbia was exterminated. Still other Chetniks rallied behind Draza Mihailovic, a 48 year-old Army officer who had been court-martialed by Nedic and was known to have close ties to Britain. Early in the War Mihailovic offered some resistance to the German forces while collaborating with the Italians. By July 22, 1941 the Yugoslav Government-in-Exile announced that continued resistance was impossible. Today, many Serbs proudly cite the Chetniks as a resistance force and even claim that the Chetniks were somehow allied with the United States during the Second World War, but this is simply historical revisionism. According to the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust, Chetnik resistance against the Nazis came to a complete stop as early as the end of 1941. Thereafter, the Chetnik resistance actively collaborated with the both Nazis and Fascists, and for this reason Jewish fighters found it necessary to abandon the Chetniks, in favour of Tito's Partisans.
Most Serbs joined the Partisans in great numbers late in the War as entire Cetnik units changed their allegiance. By 1943 Allied support shifted to Tito and by 1944 the Partisans were the only recognized Allied force fighting in Yugoslavia. Josip Broz (Tito) a Croatian Communist, organized a multi-ethnic resistance group, which took up the fight against the Nazis, as well as against the Ustasha's and Chetniks. The overwhelming bulk of resistance activity against German nazis occurred in Bosnia and Croatia. According to Yugoslav statistics, at the height of the war in late 1943, there were 122,000 partisans active in Croatia, 108,000 in Bosnia, and only 22,000 in Serbia.
It is ironic that Serbs, from 1945 onward, continued to use the same coat-of-arms used by the Nazi government of General Milan Nedic during World War II. The Serbian arms, which appeared so prominently on the world' s most viciously anti-Semitic postage stamps during the War, continued to be proudly displayed by Serbian Communist regime. (the Serbian cross with the four cyrillic c's)
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NOBODY BANNED THIS NAZICROAT ?
YOU JTFers WANT TO "debate" WITH IT ?
WHY NOT "DEBATING" ABOUT THIS JEWISH USTASHA ?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=SqmHUn1agcE
AT THE SIXTH MINUT OF THIS VIDEO,
HE BRAGS ABOUT USTASHA/NAZICROAT FUEHRER
ANTE PAVELIC (google it) !!!!!
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o
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(http://photos-a.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v77/118/103/535154224/n535154224_65524_5052.jpg)
These stamps, which juxtaposed Jewish and Serbian symbols portrayed Judaism as the source of world evil and advocated the humiliation and violent subjugation of Jews. The most vicious Anti-Semitic stamps of the period.
(http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v96/118/103/535154224/n535154224_67098_9896.jpg)
Serbian Ant-Communist (Pro Nazi) poster from WW2.
(http://photos-224.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v99/118/103/535154224/n535154224_64508_9217.jpg)
(http://photos-d.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v77/118/103/535154224/n535154224_65523_4937.jpg)
Serbian Anti-Semitic Poster from World War 2.
Part of the Gallery of Serbian Anti-Jewish Exhibition in Belgrade 1941-1942. Serbian newspapers such as Obnova (Renewal) and Nasa Borba (Our Struggle) praised this exhibit, proclaiming that Jews were the ancient enemies of the Serbian people and that Serbs should not wait for the Germans to begin the extermination of the Jews. A few months later, Serbian authorities issued postage stamps commemorating the opening of this popular exhibit.
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(http://photos-224.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v77/118/103/535154224/n535154224_64632_3618.jpg)
Serbian Chetniks and Italian Fascists working together in Herzegovina.
(http://photos-224.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v77/118/103/535154224/n535154224_64633_3724.jpg)
Chetnik Momcilo Djujic posing with an Italian Fascist Officer. Momcilo Djujic is well known and was one of the most influental Chetnik commanders outside central Serbia. He was an ardent supporter and follower of Dimitrije Ljotic and ZBOR.
(http://photos-b.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v77/118/103/535154224/n535154224_65525_5172.jpg)
This book dteails the Serbs extensive collaboration with the Nazis and Fascists.
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Husar......I am an aspiring rapper and I composed a song just 4 u:
So come on and chickity check yourself
Before you wreck yourself
You betta check yo self
Fore you wreck yo self
Cause anger is baf for your health
I come real stealth
Dropping bombs in your minds
Screw the car alarms
Sold it for six-o
Always let tricks know
And friends know
We got that indoe
Yo, I'm not a sucka
Sitting in a house of pain
And, no, I'm not the butler
I am the hustler
(http://www.no-pain-no-gain.com/images/mike%20dayem%202.jpg)
Merkava in the studio
The point of this song is that I am interested in what this person has to say. When I was small I was told that they don't like us Jewish boys in Serbia. Maybe its true, maybe its not. I checked that link.....it makes sense to me.
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I will disprove it read the article the poster is a croat just read the rest of the article
Nearly all of Belgrade's 8,000 Jews were killed at Sajmiste soon after it was set up in 1941 at the site of the Belgrade Fair exhibition ground, Mosic said. Thousands of leftists and Serb nationalists also were killed at the camp.
What made Sajmiste unique was its location in clear view of Belgrade's residents, on the western bank of the Sava River.
The capital's downtown area is located on the eastern side of the Sava, about 200 yards from the prewar fair grounds. Since World War II, new Belgrade has spread across the river - and developers consider the Sajmiste site prime real estate.
"It was the only death camp in Europe which was so visible," said Mosic, 88, who wants to build a proper memorial to the victims of what he describes as "the forgotten concentration camp."
"The intention was to intimidate the Serb population by letting them see what was going on inside the camp," he said. "For our small nation, the Sajmiste camp was as horrendous as Dachau or Sachenhosen in Germany."
Most of the inmates were murdered while being transported in "gassing trucks" - vans with their exhaust pipes attached to the sealed cabin - to mass graves on Belgrade's outskirts.
Sajmiste, or Judenlager Zemlin as Germans used to call it, was eclipsed in size by Jasenovac, the biggest death camp on Yugoslav territory. About 20,000 Jews, in addition to tens of thousands of Serbs, Gypsies and Croatian anti-fascists, died in that camp run by Croatia's Nazi puppet regime, unlike Sajmiste which was directly under German command.
About a million Yugoslavs died in World War II, many of them Serbs who had joined a Communist-led uprising against the German occupation. Three-quarters of Yugoslavia's prewar Jewish population of 71,000 people also perished.
it was set up to scare the Serbs
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This croat Jewish ustasi/moslem puppet must be banned
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MERKAVA, YOU CAN CHECK WHAT ANOTHER JEWISH USTASHA IS "DOING":
http://www.ultimatum.20m.com/8_ultimatum8/8_impressum.htm
THIS IS HIS USTASHA/NAZICROAT WEBSITE.
THE PROPAGANDA YOU WANT TO SEE/READ FROM THE NAZICROAT
IS A GERMAN-MADE PROPAGANDA, IN ORDER TO HAVE SERBS AND REMAINING SERBIA WITH THEM.
SERBS DID NOT ACCEPT AND WERE SLAUGHTERED BY EVERY POSSIBLE NAZI AROUND THEM,
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF SERBS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF SERBS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GO THERE:
http://www.ultimatum.20m.com/8_ultimatum8/8_impressum.htm
HE LISTENED TO NAZICROATS, LIKE YOU.
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yea dont refute that which ive been saying! just ban me instead
:::D
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THE PROPAGANDA YOU WANT TO SEE/READ FROM THE NAZICROAT
IS A GERMAN-MADE PROPAGANDA, IN ORDER TO HAVE SERBS AND REMAINING SERBIA WITH THEM.
SERBS DID NOT ACCEPT AND WERE SLAUGHTERED BY EVERY POSSIBLE NAZI AROUND THEM,
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF SERBS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF SERBS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
whatever helps you sleep @ night buddy
:::D
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SAJMISTE WAS A NAZICROAT N.D.H. DEATHCAMP.
(GOOGLE N.D.H.,
INDEPENDANT STATE CROATIA,
UNABHANGIG STAAT KROATIEN !!!)
40 000 SERBS WERE MURDERED THERE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WAKE UP !!!!!!
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Husar.....I did not listen to anyone. Please don't be so sensitive if I encourage someone to speak his mind.
Friends?
(http://www.morethings.com/images/satan/south-park-Saddam-Devil.jpg)
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I've heard from other people aswell that Serbians don't particularly like Jews aswell.
you are very naive
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you are very naive
Did you read what the post says: I heard .....not I beleive, or I know
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I will disprove it read the article the poster is a croat just read the rest of the article
Nearly all of Belgrade's 8,000 Jews were killed at Sajmiste soon after it was set up in 1941 at the site of the Belgrade Fair exhibition ground, Mosic said. Thousands of leftists and Serb nationalists also were killed at the camp.
What made Sajmiste unique was its location in clear view of Belgrade's residents, on the western bank of the Sava River.
The capital's downtown area is located on the eastern side of the Sava, about 200 yards from the prewar fair grounds. Since World War II, new Belgrade has spread across the river - and developers consider the Sajmiste site prime real estate.
"It was the only death camp in Europe which was so visible," said Mosic, 88, who wants to build a proper memorial to the victims of what he describes as "the forgotten concentration camp."
"The intention was to intimidate the Serb population by letting them see what was going on inside the camp," he said. "For our small nation, the Sajmiste camp was as horrendous as Dachau or Sachenhosen in Germany."
Most of the inmates were murdered while being transported in "gassing trucks" - vans with their exhaust pipes attached to the sealed cabin - to mass graves on Belgrade's outskirts.
Sajmiste, or Judenlager Zemlin as Germans used to call it, was eclipsed in size by Jasenovac, the biggest death camp on Yugoslav territory. About 20,000 Jews, in addition to tens of thousands of Serbs, Gypsies and Croatian anti-fascists, died in that camp run by Croatia's Nazi puppet regime, unlike Sajmiste which was directly under German command.
About a million Yugoslavs died in World War II, many of them Serbs who had joined a Communist-led uprising against the German occupation. Three-quarters of Yugoslavia's prewar Jewish population of 71,000 people also perished.
it was set up to scare the Serbs
It says it was to kill serbs and Jews and to scare Serbs this is in the Jewish /ustashi link
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What about those stamps & posters ? Are they Serbian ?
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yea to kill the serbs that werent siding with the fascist serbs you knob. ie. the partizan and communist supporters
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you are very naive
Did you read what the post says: I heard .....not I beleive, or I know
You are probably not an orthodox Jew.
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What about those stamps & posters ? Are they Serbian ?
yes they are serbian. defenders and friends of jewish people hahaha
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What about those stamps & posters ? Are they Serbian ?
HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF NAZIGERMAN PROPAGANDA ?
THEY PUT POSTERS
AND STAMPS AND WHATEVER
IN EVERY SINGLE EUROPEAN LANGUAGE
JUST TO HAVE NATIONS COLLABORATE WITH THEM.
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that the chetniks were collaborators with the nazis.
Moderator.
Bann this person. This is false propaganda.
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MERKAVA, YOU CAN CHECK WHAT ANOTHER JEWISH USTASHA IS "DOING":
http://www.ultimatum.20m.com/8_ultimatum8/8_impressum.htm
THIS IS HIS USTASHA/NAZICROAT WEBSITE.
THE PROPAGANDA YOU WANT TO SEE/READ FROM THE NAZICROAT
IS A GERMAN-MADE PROPAGANDA, IN ORDER TO HAVE SERBS AND REMAINING SERBIA WITH THEM.
SERBS DID NOT ACCEPT AND WERE SLAUGHTERED BY EVERY POSSIBLE NAZI AROUND THEM,
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF SERBS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF SERBS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GO THERE:
http://www.ultimatum.20m.com/8_ultimatum8/8_impressum.htm
HE LISTENED TO NAZICROATS, LIKE YOU.
MERKAVA, WHAT ABOUT THAT,
YOU, "debater" ?
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@merkava, dexter, bullcat3:
SINCE YOU WANT TO "debate",
WHAT'S THIS ?!!!!!
http://www.ultimatum.20m.com/3_4bih_kardinal.htm
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
ANY "RIGHTEOUS" ANSWER ?
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lol im loving the replies!
[sarcasm]yes this is all nazi-propaganda
once again the serbs are without any blame. it is all a giant conspiracy agaisnt them and yes I am an evil nazi[end/sarcasm]
:::D
loving the comic efforts from some of the people on here!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V21bYDs9NCc&mode=user&search=
For merkava.....jewish-nazicroat brethern.
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Serbian chetniks were not friends of any nazi germans. They wanted the partizans to vanish so they used the nazis. So technically, the nazis got screwed.
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Serbian chetniks were not friends of any nazi germans. They wanted the partizans to vanish so they used the nazis.
ok finally one of you admit that they did collaborate with the nazis. thanks. at least your honest ...
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(http://You are probably not an orthodox Jew.)
What makes you think that ?
(http://yes they are serbian. defenders and friends of jewish people hahaha)
When were the stamps made ?
MERKAVA, WHAT ABOUT THAT,
YOU, "debater" ?
Hey....hey hey hey hey.
Listen homey...I want to hear what this guy has to say. What are his sources? I made a nice rap song for you and this is the attitude I get ?
For merkava.....jewish-nazicroat brethern.
You calling me a Nazi because I asked another persons point of view ?
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You calling me a Nazi because I asked another persons point of view ?
obviously if you question someone elses viewpoint you are a nazi! didnt you know that? c'mon merkava dont be so foolish. if you dont agree or question these peoples views then you are a fascist nazi. that is reasonable is it not?
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Serbian chetniks were not friends of any nazi germans. They wanted the partizans to vanish so they used the nazis.
ok finally one of you admit that they did collaborate with the nazis. thanks. at least your honest ...
Of course. But do you think that chetniks killed jews just because they were using the nazis? And I mean using as in "I am your friend, give me your money and then i screw you because I have never liked you"
You are so childish. You see a photo of a chetnik and an "used" nazi officer and you think he is a nazi just because hit with him? You are so pathetic trying to ruin jew/serb relation. You know why you want to destroy it? You hate serbs and jews, and the way I see it, you are a nazi. What kind of paints do you have in your house? Let me guess, Mussolini, Hitler and the nazi swastika.
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@merkava, dexter, bullcat3:
SINCE YOU WANT TO "debate",
WHAT'S THIS ?!!!!!
http://www.ultimatum.20m.com/3_4bih_kardinal.htm
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
WHERE IS THE DEBATE ?
ANY "RIGHTEOUS" ANSWER ?
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MERKAVA, YOU CAN CHECK WHAT ANOTHER JEWISH USTASHA IS "DOING":
http://www.ultimatum.20m.com/8_ultimatum8/8_impressum.htm
THIS IS HIS USTASHA/NAZICROAT WEBSITE.
THE PROPAGANDA YOU WANT TO SEE/READ FROM THE NAZICROAT
IS A GERMAN-MADE PROPAGANDA, IN ORDER TO HAVE SERBS AND REMAINING SERBIA WITH THEM.
SERBS DID NOT ACCEPT AND WERE SLAUGHTERED BY EVERY POSSIBLE NAZI AROUND THEM,
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF SERBS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF SERBS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GO THERE:
http://www.ultimatum.20m.com/8_ultimatum8/8_impressum.htm
HE LISTENED TO NAZICROATS, LIKE YOU.
YOU MOCK 'CAUSE I'M SERB ?
ANYBODY CAN SPIT ON SERBIAN MEMORY ?
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Real Jew from Croatia says croations were worse then nazis expose
http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/Jews.html
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Serbs and Jews
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JEWISH LITERATURE
While talking about the horrors of the Holocaust, Jewish literature tends to be ethnocentric. It is understandable to a certain degree. Still, when talking about suffering in Yugoslavia, all of the literature talks with one voice about "Serbs and Jews"... For Jews and Serbs the destiny was the same.
"Encyclopedia of The Holocaust"
In many volumes of this book one can find many references on suffering of Serbs and Jews in Yugoslavia. Just look for: Croatia, Serbia, Jasenovac, Pavelic, Hussein al-, ... In the chapter on Croatia it says: "THE USTASHA REGIME IN CROATIA, AND PARTICULARLY THIS DRIVE IN THE SUMMER OF 1941 TO EXTERMINATE AND DISPOSSESS THE SERBS, WAS ONE OF THE MOST HORRENDOUS EPISODES OF WORLD WAR II . THE MURDER METHODS APPLIED BY THE USTASHA WERE EXTRAORDINARILY PRIMITIVE AND SADISTIC."
(Professor) Martin Gilbert: "The Holocaust"
This historian, the official biographer of Winston Churchill says: "in Yugoslavia, Hitler had an ideological and physical ally in the Croat Ustashi movement..."
(Professor) Helen Fein: "Accounting for Genocide"
This renowned historian says:"[Already] by June 1941, signs on public establishments [in Nazi Independent State of Croatia] read, NO SERBS, JEWS, NOMADS, AND DOGS ALLOWED. She clearly states:"...Nonpartisan sources agree that mass genocide was authorized by the state of Croatia. They concur the state instigated, planned, and executed masses against the Serbian Orthodox minority ...and that the Catholic clergy approved, led, or failed to denounce these massacres."
(Professor) Raul Hilberg: "The Destruction of the European Jews"
This is probably the best known book on the Jewish holocaust. It consists of two large volumes.
Briefly, this is what Dr. Hilberg says: Since April 1941, Serbia was under German occupation. But proud Serbs could never stand oppression. Soon they started uprising. Unlike anywhere else in occupied Europe, angry Nazi Germans invented 1:100 formula. For every German soldier killed 100 civilian hostages would be executed. Jewish male population was first among the hostages. Croatian Ustashi then finished (by use of gas vans) Jewish women and children of Serbia. This is how German Nazi commander of occupied Serbia could brag that "Jewish question in Serbia was solved".
In Fascist-Catholic Independent State of Croatia, Croat fascists eagerly and bestially exterminate Serbs (in the first place), Jews and Gypsies. Not only did Nazi Croats surpassed Nazi Germans and Fascist Italians - they shocked them with the bestial methods they implemented. It was Fascist Italians that tried to stop Ustashi bloody bacchanalia.
(Professor) Susan Zuccotti:"The Italians and the Holocaust - Persecution, Rescue, Survival" (New York, 1987)
Dr. Nora Levin:"The Holocaust"
The author reminds us:"The Ustashi were fanatics bent on the destruction of both Serbs and Jews... [They] murdered and tortured Jews and Serbs in indescribably bestial fashion. One of the most notorious camps in Hitler's Europe, Jasenovac, was in Croatia. Here the Ustashi used primitive implements in putting their victims to death - knives, axes, hammers and other iron tools... One source estimates that 770,000 Serbs, 40,000 Gypsies and 20,000 Jews were done to death in the Jasenovac camp [alone]."
Michael R. Marrus: "The Holocaust in History"
While talking about the Nazi satellites, the author says:"The overall level of violence was highest in Croatia, where Pavelic's Ustasha movement devised the most thoroughly totalitarian state of any satellite and pursued a merciless, bloody assault on the country's two million Serbs..."
(Professor) Clive Ponting: "Armageddon"
This historian and politician says: "The greatest ethnic slaughter took place as Yugoslavia was carved up after the German invasion in April 1941. The creation of a separate Croatia ... controlled by the fascist, Catholic, extremist Ustasha movement was the catalyst for the tragedy... Now, historic Croatia was expanded to include Bosnia-Herzegovina and other teritories, and the Ustasha were left ... to govern a population of nearly 7 million people, of whom about half were Croats, just over 2 million were Serbs, about 750,000 were Muslims, and small numbers were Protestants and Jews.... The Minister of Education, Mile Budak, made clear the Ustasha aims: "Our new Croatia will get rid of all Serbs in our midst in order to become one hundred percent Catholic within ten years." He spoke of killing a third of the Serbs, converting a third, and expelling the remainder. The leader of the Ustasha, Ante Pavelic, said,"A good Ustasha is one who can use his knife to cut a child from the womb of its mother." (end quote).
Dr. Ronnie S. Landau: "The Nazi Holocaust"
In Yugoslav Croatia, too, there is evidence that officials of the Orthodox Church [that is - the Serbs] pleaded with the authorities [that is to the Nazi Croats - Ustashi] to curtail the vicious treatment meted out to both Orthodox Serbs and Jews.
Major Richard L. Felman
One of more than 500 American Airmen rescued by the Serbs during WWII says: "Many Serbs risked their lives during World War II to save countless Jews from Nazi death camps. This is something we can never forget and for which I and The Jewish People will always be grateful."
Gottlieb Hlinko:"Kaddish in the Serbian Forest" -"The Massacre of European Jewry: An Antology" (Israel: Kibbutz Merchavia, 1963)
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JEWISH REACTION TO THE CURRENT EVENTS
Some Jews still remember...
They shared our fate
"As Jews, we do indeed have a historical obligation to the Serbs" says Mr. Joseph Lapid, a columnist and editorial writer for"Ma'ariv" a leading Hebrew daily.
'Eden' of Sarajevo disappeared during WWII
Says Dr. Alfred Lipson, a Senior Researcher at Holocaust Resource Center and Archives, Queensborough Community College of the City University of New York, Bayside, N.Y.
Serbs, Jews and Bosnia
Professor John Ranz, Chairperson Survivors of the Buchenwald Concentration Camp reminds us of the basic history of the region.
A plan bad to the bone
Dr. Reich, the Director of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington protests Croatian plan to mix the bones of the Holocaust's victims in Croatia with those of its perpetrators.
Fascism is alive and well in Croatia
Professor Howard L. Adelson says "Today Ustashi murderers are being rehabilitated and are being extolled as national heroes by Tudjman despite the fact that they were among the most brutal villains [of WWII]."
The Serbian soldiers - utterly truthful and honorable
...says Herb Brin, the oldest working American journalist and adds: "the decision to bomb the Serb position in Bosnia breaks my heart".
U.S. Jews and the Balkan Situation
Mr. Alvin Dorfman and Mrs. Heather Cottin explain how major Jewish organizations got to spread government anti-Serb propaganda.
Shame, shame, shame!
Charley Reese: "No sin blots American politics today more than the betrayal of the Serbs. No one ought to be more ashamed of U.S. treatment of the Serbs than American Jews."
Jewish motives
Dr. Yohanan Ramati, the Director of The Jerusalem Institute for Western Defence explains mentality of diaspora Jews. How did they alow to be duped.
An open letter to the American Jewish Commitee
Mr. Danon Cadik, the chief Rabbi of Yugoslavia, et. al., pleads for justice.
Set your records straight!
Mr. Jasa Almuli, past President of the Jewish Community of Belgrade and past Vice-President of Jewish Communities in Yugoslavia, pleads for truth.
The Serbs had for ever won a place in the hearts of the Jews
"We the surviving Jews of Serbia have for them respect and understanding. We know that the basic motive of their recent rebellion in secessionist Croatia and Bosnia and Hercegovina were their distrust and deep apprehension after they have been slaughtered in the Nazi era by the Croat Ustashas and Muslim SS..." says Dr. Aleksandar Mosic, Former Deputy President, Federation of Jewish Communities in Yugoslavia.
Serbs are our brothers in soul
"A media Auschwitz, was perpetrated on the Serbian people! The Serbs were dehumanized and portrayed as monsters exactly as the Jews were portrayed through centuries. Do not participate in persecution of the Serbs. They are our brothers. They are people who share the same destiny with us, the Jewish people." says Professor and composer Enriko Josif.
60 Minutes...more yellow journalism on Bosnia!
An open letter by Mrs. Sandy Marquette a Jew from Chicago.
The European Hoodlum Democracy Will Not Break the Serbs
Dr. Klara Mandic, a senior Belgrade Jewish community leader explains the Serbian motives.
America in the Eye of a Hurricane
Dr. Henry Kissinger reminds us that Bosnia had never been an independent state and warns us that long American tradition of support to self-determination has been betrayed.
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Where am I? PATH:
Book of facts
History of the Balkans
Before World War One
(Who got to the Balkans and when.)
World War One
(The formation of the first Yugoslavia.)
World War II
(Who was Nazi and who was not.)
After WWII - Tito's Yugoslavia
(Who controlled the country.)
Big powers and civil wars in Yugoslavia
(How was Yugoslavia dismantled and why.)
Proxies at work
(Muslims and Croats were only proxies of the big powers)
The Aftermath
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BAN THIS NAZICROAT TAKKIYAH USER.
Instead of banning him, disproove what he is saying.
Are you kidding me ?
We Serbs are not rats in your laboratory.
Disproove it yourself.
Are we supposed to respond to ANY silly NAZICROAT pretendings ?
Why don't you open a "save nazicroatia" section,
and "debate" with them yourself ?...
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Real Jew from Croatia says croations were worse then nazis expose
http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/Jews.html
[ Home ] [ Library ] [ Links ] [ Search ] [ Email ]
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Serbs and Jews
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JEWISH LITERATURE
While talking about the horrors of the Holocaust, Jewish literature tends to be ethnocentric. It is understandable to a certain degree. Still, when talking about suffering in Yugoslavia, all of the literature talks with one voice about "Serbs and Jews"... For Jews and Serbs the destiny was the same.
"Encyclopedia of The Holocaust"
In many volumes of this book one can find many references on suffering of Serbs and Jews in Yugoslavia. Just look for: Croatia, Serbia, Jasenovac, Pavelic, Hussein al-, ... In the chapter on Croatia it says: "THE USTASHA REGIME IN CROATIA, AND PARTICULARLY THIS DRIVE IN THE SUMMER OF 1941 TO EXTERMINATE AND DISPOSSESS THE SERBS, WAS ONE OF THE MOST HORRENDOUS EPISODES OF WORLD WAR II . THE MURDER METHODS APPLIED BY THE USTASHA WERE EXTRAORDINARILY PRIMITIVE AND SADISTIC."
(Professor) Martin Gilbert: "The Holocaust"
This historian, the official biographer of Winston Churchill says: "in Yugoslavia, Hitler had an ideological and physical ally in the Croat Ustashi movement..."
(Professor) Helen Fein: "Accounting for Genocide"
This renowned historian says:"[Already] by June 1941, signs on public establishments [in Nazi Independent State of Croatia] read, NO SERBS, JEWS, NOMADS, AND DOGS ALLOWED. She clearly states:"...Nonpartisan sources agree that mass genocide was authorized by the state of Croatia. They concur the state instigated, planned, and executed masses against the Serbian Orthodox minority ...and that the Catholic clergy approved, led, or failed to denounce these massacres."
(Professor) Raul Hilberg: "The Destruction of the European Jews"
This is probably the best known book on the Jewish holocaust. It consists of two large volumes.
Briefly, this is what Dr. Hilberg says: Since April 1941, Serbia was under German occupation. But proud Serbs could never stand oppression. Soon they started uprising. Unlike anywhere else in occupied Europe, angry Nazi Germans invented 1:100 formula. For every German soldier killed 100 civilian hostages would be executed. Jewish male population was first among the hostages. Croatian Ustashi then finished (by use of gas vans) Jewish women and children of Serbia. This is how German Nazi commander of occupied Serbia could brag that "Jewish question in Serbia was solved".
In Fascist-Catholic Independent State of Croatia, Croat fascists eagerly and bestially exterminate Serbs (in the first place), Jews and Gypsies. Not only did Nazi Croats surpassed Nazi Germans and Fascist Italians - they shocked them with the bestial methods they implemented. It was Fascist Italians that tried to stop Ustashi bloody bacchanalia.
(Professor) Susan Zuccotti:"The Italians and the Holocaust - Persecution, Rescue, Survival" (New York, 1987)
Dr. Nora Levin:"The Holocaust"
The author reminds us:"The Ustashi were fanatics bent on the destruction of both Serbs and Jews... [They] murdered and tortured Jews and Serbs in indescribably bestial fashion. One of the most notorious camps in Hitler's Europe, Jasenovac, was in Croatia. Here the Ustashi used primitive implements in putting their victims to death - knives, axes, hammers and other iron tools... One source estimates that 770,000 Serbs, 40,000 Gypsies and 20,000 Jews were done to death in the Jasenovac camp [alone]."
Michael R. Marrus: "The Holocaust in History"
While talking about the Nazi satellites, the author says:"The overall level of violence was highest in Croatia, where Pavelic's Ustasha movement devised the most thoroughly totalitarian state of any satellite and pursued a merciless, bloody assault on the country's two million Serbs..."
(Professor) Clive Ponting: "Armageddon"
This historian and politician says: "The greatest ethnic slaughter took place as Yugoslavia was carved up after the German invasion in April 1941. The creation of a separate Croatia ... controlled by the fascist, Catholic, extremist Ustasha movement was the catalyst for the tragedy... Now, historic Croatia was expanded to include Bosnia-Herzegovina and other teritories, and the Ustasha were left ... to govern a population of nearly 7 million people, of whom about half were Croats, just over 2 million were Serbs, about 750,000 were Muslims, and small numbers were Protestants and Jews.... The Minister of Education, Mile Budak, made clear the Ustasha aims: "Our new Croatia will get rid of all Serbs in our midst in order to become one hundred percent Catholic within ten years." He spoke of killing a third of the Serbs, converting a third, and expelling the remainder. The leader of the Ustasha, Ante Pavelic, said,"A good Ustasha is one who can use his knife to cut a child from the womb of its mother." (end quote).
Dr. Ronnie S. Landau: "The Nazi Holocaust"
In Yugoslav Croatia, too, there is evidence that officials of the Orthodox Church [that is - the Serbs] pleaded with the authorities [that is to the Nazi Croats - Ustashi] to curtail the vicious treatment meted out to both Orthodox Serbs and Jews.
Major Richard L. Felman
One of more than 500 American Airmen rescued by the Serbs during WWII says: "Many Serbs risked their lives during World War II to save countless Jews from Nazi death camps. This is something we can never forget and for which I and The Jewish People will always be grateful."
Gottlieb Hlinko:"Kaddish in the Serbian Forest" -"The Massacre of European Jewry: An Antology" (Israel: Kibbutz Merchavia, 1963)
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JEWISH REACTION TO THE CURRENT EVENTS
Some Jews still remember...
They shared our fate
"As Jews, we do indeed have a historical obligation to the Serbs" says Mr. Joseph Lapid, a columnist and editorial writer for"Ma'ariv" a leading Hebrew daily.
'Eden' of Sarajevo disappeared during WWII
Says Dr. Alfred Lipson, a Senior Researcher at Holocaust Resource Center and Archives, Queensborough Community College of the City University of New York, Bayside, N.Y.
Serbs, Jews and Bosnia
Professor John Ranz, Chairperson Survivors of the Buchenwald Concentration Camp reminds us of the basic history of the region.
A plan bad to the bone
Dr. Reich, the Director of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington protests Croatian plan to mix the bones of the Holocaust's victims in Croatia with those of its perpetrators.
Fascism is alive and well in Croatia
Professor Howard L. Adelson says "Today Ustashi murderers are being rehabilitated and are being extolled as national heroes by Tudjman despite the fact that they were among the most brutal villains [of WWII]."
The Serbian soldiers - utterly truthful and honorable
...says Herb Brin, the oldest working American journalist and adds: "the decision to bomb the Serb position in Bosnia breaks my heart".
U.S. Jews and the Balkan Situation
Mr. Alvin Dorfman and Mrs. Heather Cottin explain how major Jewish organizations got to spread government anti-Serb propaganda.
Shame, shame, shame!
Charley Reese: "No sin blots American politics today more than the betrayal of the Serbs. No one ought to be more ashamed of U.S. treatment of the Serbs than American Jews."
Jewish motives
Dr. Yohanan Ramati, the Director of The Jerusalem Institute for Western Defence explains mentality of diaspora Jews. How did they alow to be duped.
An open letter to the American Jewish Commitee
Mr. Danon Cadik, the chief Rabbi of Yugoslavia, et. al., pleads for justice.
Set your records straight!
Mr. Jasa Almuli, past President of the Jewish Community of Belgrade and past Vice-President of Jewish Communities in Yugoslavia, pleads for truth.
The Serbs had for ever won a place in the hearts of the Jews
"We the surviving Jews of Serbia have for them respect and understanding. We know that the basic motive of their recent rebellion in secessionist Croatia and Bosnia and Hercegovina were their distrust and deep apprehension after they have been slaughtered in the Nazi era by the Croat Ustashas and Muslim SS..." says Dr. Aleksandar Mosic, Former Deputy President, Federation of Jewish Communities in Yugoslavia.
Serbs are our brothers in soul
"A media Auschwitz, was perpetrated on the Serbian people! The Serbs were dehumanized and portrayed as monsters exactly as the Jews were portrayed through centuries. Do not participate in persecution of the Serbs. They are our brothers. They are people who share the same destiny with us, the Jewish people." says Professor and composer Enriko Josif.
60 Minutes...more yellow journalism on Bosnia!
An open letter by Mrs. Sandy Marquette a Jew from Chicago.
The European Hoodlum Democracy Will Not Break the Serbs
Dr. Klara Mandic, a senior Belgrade Jewish community leader explains the Serbian motives.
America in the Eye of a Hurricane
Dr. Henry Kissinger reminds us that Bosnia had never been an independent state and warns us that long American tradition of support to self-determination has been betrayed.
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Where am I? PATH:
Book of facts
History of the Balkans
Before World War One
(Who got to the Balkans and when.)
World War One
(The formation of the first Yugoslavia.)
World War II
(Who was Nazi and who was not.)
After WWII - Tito's Yugoslavia
(Who controlled the country.)
Big powers and civil wars in Yugoslavia
(How was Yugoslavia dismantled and why.)
Proxies at work
(Muslims and Croats were only proxies of the big powers)
The Aftermath
THANK YOU MORD FOR YOUR EFFORT.
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Dr. Nora Levin:"The Holocaust"
The author reminds us:"The Ustashi were fanatics bent on the destruction of both Serbs and Jews... [They] murdered and tortured Jews and Serbs in indescribably bestial fashion. One of the most notorious camps in Hitler's Europe, Jasenovac, was in Croatia. Here the Ustashi used primitive implements in putting their victims to death - knives, axes, hammers and other iron tools... One source estimates that 770,000 Serbs, 40,000 Gypsies and 20,000 Jews were done to death in the Jasenovac camp [alone]."
BAN NAZICROATS.
OUR SERBIAN HONOR DEMANDS IT.
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(http://photos-a.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v77/118/103/535154224/n535154224_65524_5052.jpg)
These stamps, which juxtaposed Jewish and Serbian symbols portrayed Judaism as the source of world evil and advocated the humiliation and violent subjugation of Jews. The most vicious Anti-Semitic stamps of the period.
(http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v96/118/103/535154224/n535154224_67098_9896.jpg)
Serbian Ant-Communist (Pro Nazi) poster from WW2.
(http://photos-224.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v99/118/103/535154224/n535154224_64508_9217.jpg)
(http://photos-d.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v77/118/103/535154224/n535154224_65523_4937.jpg)
Serbian Anti-Semitic Poster from World War 2.
Part of the Gallery of Serbian Anti-Jewish Exhibition in Belgrade 1941-1942. Serbian newspapers such as Obnova (Renewal) and Nasa Borba (Our Struggle) praised this exhibit, proclaiming that Jews were the ancient enemies of the Serbian people and that Serbs should not wait for the Germans to begin the extermination of the Jews. A few months later, Serbian authorities issued postage stamps commemorating the opening of this popular exhibit.
I knew it!!
I knew you will start with nazi WWII propaganda.
Already told you, there is no occupied country without this kind of stuff.
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BAN THIS NAZICROAT TAKKIYAH USER.
Instead of banning him, disproove what he is saying.
Are you kidding me ?
We Serbs are not rats in your laboratory.
Disproove it yourself.
Are we supposed to respond to ANY silly NAZICROAT pretendings ?
Why don't you open a "save nazicroatia" section,
and "debate" with them yourself ?...
Don't be silly, you, the Serbs claim he is lying, you should proove it yourself.
To be honest, I know nothing about the Serb-Croatian conflict, and I have no intrest in it.
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Whoa !!! Don't mess with Husar's "pride".....he will throw a tantrum :D
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BAN THIS NAZICROAT TAKKIYAH USER.
Instead of banning him, disproove what he is saying.
Are you kidding me ?
We Serbs are not rats in your laboratory.
Disproove it yourself.
Are we supposed to respond to ANY silly NAZICROAT pretendings ?
Why don't you open a "save nazicroatia" section,
and "debate" with them yourself ?...
Don't be silly, you, the Serbs claim he is lying, you should proove it yourself.
To be honest, I know nothing about the Serb-Croatian conflict, and I have no intrest in it.
I a Jew have proved it as well as real Jews from Croatia
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You know nothing, Dexter,
you said it yourself.
But as soon as a NAZICROAT comes here
with his propaganda, you seem to
appreciate their insults on the Serbs and Serbia.
:(
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You know nothing, Dexter,
you said it yourself.
But as soon as a NAZICROAT comes here
with his propaganda, you seem to
appreciate their insults on the Serbs and Serbia.
:(
No, I didn't said he is telling the truth, I just said we shouldn't ban him just for you the have the chance to disproove his claims. By banning him we actually admit what he is saying is true.
mord -
Fine, but that was a comment to Huser, that always say we should ban everyone who said something that doesn't fit well with his views.
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"Although the Serbian version of history portrays wartime Serbia as a helpless, occupied territory, Serbian newspapers of the period offer a portrait of intensive collaboration. In Serbia during WW2, a new pro-Nazi government was established under the leadership of General Milan Nedic which governed until 1945."
Do you really think that newspapers in some occupied country wrote about something else than how people and government "get along" with German forces??
Gen. Milan Nedic was collaborator, actually he has same role in WWII Serbia as Marshal Philippe Pétain has in occupied France.
In fact every occupied country in Europe hes their own "Gen. Nedic", except countries like Croatia that were never occupied.
Please, stop copy-paste that croatian propaganda and try to point at some difference between Serbia and any other occupied country in WWII Europe instead.
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You know nothing, Dexter,
you said it yourself.
But as soon as a NAZICROAT comes here
with his propaganda, you seem to
appreciate their insults on the Serbs and Serbia.
:(
No, I didn't said he is telling the truth, I just said we shouldn't ban him just for you the have the chance to disproove his claims. By banning him we actually admit what he is saying is true.
mord -
Fine, but that was a comment to Huser, that always say we should ban everyone who said something that doesn't fit well with his views.
It doesent fit with your views too, problem is that you try get in to something that (as you said) "know nothing about" and "have no intrest in it".
If you really want to get in all of this, then learn something about balkan history and Serbo-Croatian conflict (which BTW start with WWII holocaust and nazi Croatia) and you will think same as Hussar or that guy on JTF videos thinks.
I am not for banning them too but I am not for debating with them for so long.
If you read my posts then you know briefly everything you need to know about subject.
Other thing is if you want to believe in something else...
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GENOCIDE OF SERBS IN NAZICROATIA
:o :o :o
IS NOT MY POINT OF VIEW;
:o :o :o
IT IS A FACT AND A DEEP PAIN FOR EVERY SINGLE LIVING SERB.
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(http://photos-224.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v77/118/103/535154224/n535154224_64632_3618.jpg)
Serbian Chetniks and Italian Fascists working together in Herzegovina.
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Chetnik Momcilo Djujic posing with an Italian Fascist Officer. Momcilo Djujic is well known and was one of the most influental Chetnik commanders outside central Serbia. He was an ardent supporter and follower of Dimitrije Ljotic and ZBOR.
(http://photos-b.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v77/118/103/535154224/n535154224_65525_5172.jpg)
This book dteails the Serbs extensive collaboration with the Nazis and Fascists.
And this is what you have to prove that Serbs were supposedly with Nazi's.THIS!
Till this moment I was very tolerant,BUT! since you are allowed to spit on more than a 700,000 victims of THE HOLOCAUST in Jasenovac by claiming that Serbs were with the nazis during WWII and therefore indirectly you are spitting on THE HOLOCAUST VICTIMS,I think I can not be tolerant any more.
First of all HOW STUPID A PERSON CAN BE TO CLAIM THAT SERBS WERE WITH NAZI'S AFTER WHAT HAZI'S WITH USTASHA'S DID TO THE SERBS.
Do you think that Serbs are MASOCHISTS! :D
Secondly this pictures you have presented are typical nazi and communist propaganda.Why communist?
Because it is well known that chetnics were for the King and for monarchy so they wanted Yugoslavia to remain monarchy after WWII is over,but unfortunately thanks to the betrayal of England and it's PM Churchill,communists took over the power in post war Serbia and then communist propaganda began,pointed against chetnics and all of those who were for the monarchy and for the King.
Still that doesn't erase the fact that both communist partisans (there were even jews who were partisans and fought against nazi's) and chetnics although with quite opposite ideology,fought against nazi's and croatian ustasha's.
AGAIN I CLAIM AND SAY,THESE ARE ALL HISTORICAL FACTS AND CAN ALL BE CHECKED IF ONLY THERE IS A LITTLE HONESTY AND DECENCY IN YOU.
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Thank you, Lamed.
Serbs are getting less and less right to speak in this forum,
since, when we speak, NAZICROATS hear a "Serbian biased source" !!!!!
:D
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Do you think that Serbs are MASOCHISTS! :D
But it can look like fact for people that dont know nothing about Croats, Serbs or balkan history in generally.
SERBS CANT BE NAZI COLLABORATORS SIMPLY BECAUSE SERBS DONT LIKE GERMANS, NAZI GERMANS OR JUST GERMANS WE DONT LIKE THEM.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIIlYkJs9Bk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viHcKqvfzuw
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:)
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Husar......I am an aspiring rapper and I composed a song just 4 u:
So come on and chickity check yourself
Before you wreck yourself
You betta check yo self
Fore you wreck yo self
Cause anger is baf for your health
I come real stealth
Dropping bombs in your minds
Screw the car alarms
Sold it for six-o
Always let tricks know
And friends know
We got that indoe
Yo, I'm not a sucka
Sitting in a house of pain
And, no, I'm not the butler
I am the hustler
(http://www.no-pain-no-gain.com/images/mike%20dayem%202.jpg)
Merkava in the studio
The point of this song is that I am interested in what this person has to say. When I was small I was told that they don't like us Jewish boys in Serbia. Maybe its true, maybe its not. I checked that link.....it makes sense to me.
And you consider yourself to be a righteous Jew with that kind of outfit and rap-crap music.
Don't be offended I don't want to mock you at all, but seriously if you are a Righteous Jew then I'm a REAL jedi knight.
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Thank you, Lamed.
Serbs are getting less and less right to speak in this forum,
since, when we speak, NAZICROATS hear a "Serbian biased source" !!!!!
:D
No Husar, I don't think that's true.
What have the Croats presented as proof? They never dispute what they did during WWII, they only attack what the Serbs did using propaganda. I am not intimately knowledgable with the history of Serbia but I'll say one thing; you can use supposed "facts" to argue your point if you selectively pick and choose only the facts that suit you. And I believe this is what's happening here.
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HiWarp,
not only NAZICROATS never dispute WHAT (!!!) they did during WWII
(neither in the last, ex-yugoslav war),
BUT JEWS NEITHER !!!
THEY ACCEPT NAZICROAT PROPAGANDA,
and just wait for the Serbs to deal with those beasts.....
This is not normal.
If Jews are ready to forget WHAT (!!!) NAZICROATS did to them,
Serbs will, on their side, NEVER FORGET, NEITHER FORGIVE.
IS SOMEONE ACKNOWLEDGABLE
OF THE HISTORY OF SERBIA,
IN THIS JTF FORUM,
OTHER THAN SERBS ?
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IS THIS A "TITLE"
UNDER WHICH SERBS
SHALL "DEBATE" ?!!!!!!!!
"the serbs are NOT friends of the jews"
NAZICROATS PUT CHAOS
IN THE SERBIAN JTF SECTION PROPER.
CLOSE THIS HELLISH NAZICROAT "thread".
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Becaue the other topic got deleted while I was writing this, I show it to you in this thread:
Hey guys, guys take it easy.
Seriously nazicroats are trying to make serbs and jews enemies based on false facts. So I want them banned. They are trying to make jews and serbs fight with each other. Guys realize that. Merkava, you listen to nazicroats like them, you're mind gets brainwashed. It's as simple as that. I THINK that you don't know about our history that much. Then if a nazi comes and talks crap, in your eyes it could look reasonable because he has a picture of a chetnik and a nazi officer. That is how clinton made serbs look like they are killers, but they are not. He was smart, and made the whole thing reasonable. And for many people, a thing to be reasonable is just enough, so there is no argue about that according to them. You could just say "stuvern people".
Husar; I think you exxagerated when you called Merkava a nazi and when you talked to him as a nazi. Don't do that, just explain to him.
Merkava; You exxagerated with that message you sent him, but I can understand you some 70 %. You maybe got brainwashed for a second when that nazi was talking and I don't blame you. But I got to tell you. We see when a propaganda nazi comes and talks crap. And I know that there isn't worth listening to them. They will just try to brainwash you as I said earlier. Or..
You just wanted to listen to what he had to say, and then when Husar didn't like it, you get mad because you want to debate.
Don't debate with those thugs.
Instead of this crap between you two. Forgive each other. I am almost certain that you guys are in a position to do that.
Now, please no fight between honest JTFer's.
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MERKAVA, YOU CAN CHECK WHAT ANOTHER JEWISH USTASHA IS "DOING":
http://www.ultimatum.20m.com/8_ultimatum8/8_impressum.htm
THIS IS HIS USTASHA/NAZICROAT WEBSITE.
THE PROPAGANDA YOU WANT TO SEE/READ FROM THE NAZICROAT
IS A GERMAN-MADE PROPAGANDA, IN ORDER TO HAVE SERBS AND REMAINING SERBIA WITH THEM.
SERBS DID NOT ACCEPT AND WERE SLAUGHTERED BY EVERY POSSIBLE NAZI AROUND THEM,
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF SERBS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF SERBS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GO THERE:
http://www.ultimatum.20m.com/8_ultimatum8/8_impressum.htm
HE LISTENED TO NAZICROATS, LIKE YOU.
Why am I supposed to have exxagerated about merkava being a NAZI ?
Because he is maybe a Jew ?
He swallows every single NAZICROAT propaganda.
He insults us, SERBS.
He spits on the MEMORY of our VICTIMS OF NAZIGENOCIDE.
Was he even a Jew, a few ones are involved in anti-semitic "action",
as "well" as in the destruction of israel itself, and so on.
MLADEN SCHWARTZ IS A JEW,
HE IS ALSO A NAZICROAT/USTASHA.
THIS SCHWARTZ HATES THE SERBS
AS MUCH (and it's a whole lot) AS
ANY OTHER USTASHA.
THIS SCHWARTZ DISPISES ALL JEWS AS "WELL".
THIS IS WHERE NAZICROAT PROPAGANDA (MIS)"LEADS".
THIS IS THE PATH FOLLOWED BY MERKAVA.
HE BEGAN TO INSULT SERBS FIRST,
JUST BY STANDING OPENLY ON THE SIDES OF
THE NAZICROAT "propaganda has to be spread".
I REACTED.
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MLADEN SCHWARTZ,
JEW AND USTASHA/NAZICROAT,
perhaps showing "possible" path
to merkava anti-Serb racist....
http://www.ultimatum.20m.com/8_ultimatum8/8_impressum.htm
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I think you're overeacting a little here Husar.
As far as I can see, all Merkava just wanted a discussionn about the issue, I'm pretty sure he understands the truth of the matter now, don't worry, if this thread continues to be a shouting match, I'll lock it.
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That's what I was asking for,
lock this NAZICROAT VENOMOUS "thread".
What is this for a "title",
if not an INSULT for Serbs and Serbia ?
"the serbs are NOT friends of the jews « 1 2 ... 5 6 » "
For the "merkava hate Serbs" thread of mine,
it disappeared in some trashcan;
but ANTI-SERBIAN "threads" REMAIN VISIBLE.
Please, throw them also in your thrashcan.
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Husar stvarno jebote smiri se, ako tako vristis nonstop niko nece te verovati. Smiri se.
Netrebas koristiti miljon smileys i prestani vise s caps lock, izvini ali brate ide meni na zivce.
Ja tebe verujem, ali ako hoces da ljudi tebi slusaju nemoj se praviti ludak.