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When Dr. Baruch Goldstein massacred Arabs why did he expose himself to the Arabs? They ended up beating him to death because of that. He could have snipped them instead. Is it possible he was suicidal and if he were should he be praised? I don't think there is anything wrong with sacrificing your life for a cause but since Judaism forbids suicide should religious Jews view him as a hero?
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Dr. Baruch Goldstein (zt"l) was a hero and a saint--end of story. No, he did not intend to commit suicide, but he was willing to sacrifice his life to save fellow Jews from an impending terrorist attack, which makes him the noblest kind of human imaginable.
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It would have been better for him to bomb the place.
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May the name and memory of this saint be immortalised.
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What Baruch Goldstein did was a stupid act, period.
A. Killing 29 Arabs won't give us a thing but hatred for the Right wing.
B. Killing 29 Arabs, umm..I'm sorry, Muslim Jews (the Arabs of Hebron are actually Jews dencents who converted to Islam) who were probably innocent is evil thing to do.
C. Because of his "brave" action Kach was outlawed.
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What Baruch Goldstein did was a stupid act, period.
A. Killing 29 Arabs won't give us a thing but hatred for the Right wing.
B. Killing 29 Arabs, umm..I'm sorry, Muslim Jews (the Arabs of Hebron are actually Jews dencents who converted to Islam) who were probably innocent is evil thing to do.
C. Because of his "brave" action Kach was outlawed.
A. The right will be hated no matter what.
B. Even if their ancestors were Jewish, those creatures are NO LONGER Jewish.
C. Dr Goldstein's actions made no difference. Kach would have been outlawed as ALL opposition is outlawed by the Knesset Kapos. The Goldstein incident was just the excuse.
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What Baruch Goldstein did was a stupid act, period.
A. Killing 29 Arabs won't give us a thing but hatred for the Right wing.
B. Killing 29 Arabs, umm..I'm sorry, Muslim Jews (the Arabs of Hebron are actually Jews dencents who converted to Islam) who were probably innocent is evil thing to do.
C. Because of his "brave" action Kach was outlawed.
A. The right will be hated no matter what.
B. Even if their ancestors were Jewish, those creatures are NO LONGER Jewish.
C. Dr Goldstein's actions made no difference. Kach would have been outlawed as ALL opposition is outlawed by the Knesset Kapos. The Goldstein incident was just the excuse.
A. Wrong, before that the right wing have a lot of support.
B. Sure they are, religion and nationality are diffrent things.
C. Yes he did, you are assuming assumptions that are BS. Before that, as I said, there were a lot of support for Kach and if it was outlawed just by that there were a lot of demonstrations and acts against the goverment.
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What Baruch Goldstein did was a stupid act, period.
A. Killing 29 Arabs won't give us a thing but hatred for the Right wing.
B. Killing 29 Arabs, umm..I'm sorry, Muslim Jews (the Arabs of Hebron are actually Jews dencents who converted to Islam) who were probably innocent is evil thing to do.
C. Because of his "brave" action Kach was outlawed.
A. The right will be hated no matter what.
B. Even if their ancestors were Jewish, those creatures are NO LONGER Jewish.
C. Dr Goldstein's actions made no difference. Kach would have been outlawed as ALL opposition is outlawed by the Knesset Kapos. The Goldstein incident was just the excuse.
A. Wrong, before that the right wing have a lot of support.
B. Sure they are, religion and nationality are diffrent things.
C. Yes he did, you are assuming assumptions that are BS. Before that, as I said, there were a lot of support for Kach and if it was outlawed just by that there were a lot of demonstrations and acts against the goverment.
Dexter. The Jews of Hebron were centuries ago. Since then, their descendants have married Lord knows who. Nobody can be Jewish without a Jewish mother. It is impossible that the Hebron Jews had ALL Jewish descended wives over hundreds of years.
It's like Chaim says about the lost tribes. Even if it was proved that the English descended from a lost tribe, they're no longer Jewish.
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What Baruch Goldstein did was a stupid act, period.
A. Killing 29 Arabs won't give us a thing but hatred for the Right wing.
B. Killing 29 Arabs, umm..I'm sorry, Muslim Jews (the Arabs of Hebron are actually Jews dencents who converted to Islam) who were probably innocent is evil thing to do.
C. Because of his "brave" action Kach was outlawed.
A. The right will be hated no matter what.
B. Even if their ancestors were Jewish, those creatures are NO LONGER Jewish.
C. Dr Goldstein's actions made no difference. Kach would have been outlawed as ALL opposition is outlawed by the Knesset Kapos. The Goldstein incident was just the excuse.
A. Wrong, before that the right wing have a lot of support.
B. Sure they are, religion and nationality are diffrent things.
C. Yes he did, you are assuming assumptions that are BS. Before that, as I said, there were a lot of support for Kach and if it was outlawed just by that there were a lot of demonstrations and acts against the goverment.
Dexter. The Jews of Hebron were centuries ago. Since then, their descendants have married Lord knows who. Nobody can be Jewish without a Jewish mother. It is impossible that the Hebron Jews had ALL Jewish descended wives over hundreds of years.
It's like Chaim says about the lost tribes. Even if it was proved that the English descended from a lost tribe, they're no longer Jewish.
Jews are not a race, you don't have to have "Jewish blood" to say you are Jewish. But it have been proved by DNA researches that the Muslims of Hebron are Jewish, and that we, the Jewish people have much much connection to these "Sand Apes" and some of us, as I and most Mizrahi Jews just look very similar to the Arabs. And as the most your Jewish family is last mixed you'll look more like the Arabs and much less like the Europeans.
The English are not the lost tribes, it's pseudo science and it is rubbish. The fact that you take religion as a main factor for who is part of my people is sad. Because religion, if you like it and also if you don't, has lost of it's importance and it doesn't matter for most of the people. I consider people to Jews if they consider themselves as Jews, but I also say who is Jewish ethnic origin and call him how he wants to be called.
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What Baruch Goldstein did was a stupid act, period.
A. Killing 29 Arabs won't give us a thing but hatred for the Right wing.
B. Killing 29 Arabs, umm..I'm sorry, Muslim Jews (the Arabs of Hebron are actually Jews dencents who converted to Islam) who were probably innocent is evil thing to do.
C. Because of his "brave" action Kach was outlawed.
A. The right will be hated no matter what.
B. Even if their ancestors were Jewish, those creatures are NO LONGER Jewish.
C. Dr Goldstein's actions made no difference. Kach would have been outlawed as ALL opposition is outlawed by the Knesset Kapos. The Goldstein incident was just the excuse.
A. Wrong, before that the right wing have a lot of support.
B. Sure they are, religion and nationality are diffrent things.
C. Yes he did, you are assuming assumptions that are BS. Before that, as I said, there were a lot of support for Kach and if it was outlawed just by that there were a lot of demonstrations and acts against the goverment.
Dexter. The Jews of Hebron were centuries ago. Since then, their descendants have married Lord knows who. Nobody can be Jewish without a Jewish mother. It is impossible that the Hebron Jews had ALL Jewish descended wives over hundreds of years.
It's like Chaim says about the lost tribes. Even if it was proved that the English descended from a lost tribe, they're no longer Jewish.
Jews are not a race, you don't have to have "Jewish blood" to say you are Jewish.
That's right. But you must have a Jewish mother or have a kosher conversion to be Jewish. That's hallacha. If the arabs of Hebron don't have a hallachicly approved mother, they're not Jews.
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What Baruch Goldstein did was a stupid act, period.
A. Killing 29 Arabs won't give us a thing but hatred for the Right wing.
B. Killing 29 Arabs, umm..I'm sorry, Muslim Jews (the Arabs of Hebron are actually Jews dencents who converted to Islam) who were probably innocent is evil thing to do.
C. Because of his "brave" action Kach was outlawed.
A. The right will be hated no matter what.
B. Even if their ancestors were Jewish, those creatures are NO LONGER Jewish.
C. Dr Goldstein's actions made no difference. Kach would have been outlawed as ALL opposition is outlawed by the Knesset Kapos. The Goldstein incident was just the excuse.
A. Wrong, before that the right wing have a lot of support.
B. Sure they are, religion and nationality are diffrent things.
C. Yes he did, you are assuming assumptions that are BS. Before that, as I said, there were a lot of support for Kach and if it was outlawed just by that there were a lot of demonstrations and acts against the goverment.
Dexter. The Jews of Hebron were centuries ago. Since then, their descendants have married Lord knows who. Nobody can be Jewish without a Jewish mother. It is impossible that the Hebron Jews had ALL Jewish descended wives over hundreds of years.
It's like Chaim says about the lost tribes. Even if it was proved that the English descended from a lost tribe, they're no longer Jewish.
Jews are not a race, you don't have to have "Jewish blood" to say you are Jewish.
That's right. But you must have a Jewish mother or have a kosher conversion to be Jewish. That's hallacha. If the arabs of Hebron don't have a hallachicly approved mother, they're not Jews.
You mean you are not Jewish in the religiouse aspect.
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What Baruch Goldstein did was a stupid act, period.
A. Killing 29 Arabs won't give us a thing but hatred for the Right wing.
B. Killing 29 Arabs, umm..I'm sorry, Muslim Jews (the Arabs of Hebron are actually Jews dencents who converted to Islam) who were probably innocent is evil thing to do.
C. Because of his "brave" action Kach was outlawed.
A. The right will be hated no matter what.
B. Even if their ancestors were Jewish, those creatures are NO LONGER Jewish.
C. Dr Goldstein's actions made no difference. Kach would have been outlawed as ALL opposition is outlawed by the Knesset Kapos. The Goldstein incident was just the excuse.
A. Wrong, before that the right wing have a lot of support.
B. Sure they are, religion and nationality are diffrent things.
C. Yes he did, you are assuming assumptions that are BS. Before that, as I said, there were a lot of support for Kach and if it was outlawed just by that there were a lot of demonstrations and acts against the goverment.
Dexter. The Jews of Hebron were centuries ago. Since then, their descendants have married Lord knows who. Nobody can be Jewish without a Jewish mother. It is impossible that the Hebron Jews had ALL Jewish descended wives over hundreds of years.
It's like Chaim says about the lost tribes. Even if it was proved that the English descended from a lost tribe, they're no longer Jewish.
Jews are not a race, you don't have to have "Jewish blood" to say you are Jewish.
That's right. But you must have a Jewish mother or have a kosher conversion to be Jewish. That's hallacha. If the arabs of Hebron don't have a hallachicly approved mother, they're not Jews.
You mean you are not Jewish in the religiouse aspect.
Practicing Judaism doesn't make one Jewish. Noachides practice Judaism and they're not Jewish. A Jew can practice Hinduism and he's still a Jew.
Jews are not a race but a people. Hallacha says that a Jew is one born of a Jewish mother. If the modern day Hebron arabs have arab mothers, they're not Jews.
Ask Lubab.
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Noachides don't have to practice Judaism, they are Jewish acorrding to halacha only by diffrent parameters.
Try to understand that Jews are also a people, you don't have to be Jewish only because you converted to Judaism or born Jewish as you don't have to born to Brits to be british or english.
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Noachides don't have to practice Judaism, they are Jewish acorrding to halacha only by diffrent parameters.
Try to understand that Jews are also a people, you don't have to be Jewish only because you converted to Judaism or born Jewish as you don't have to born to Brits to be british or english.
Who is a Jew?
A Jew is any person whose mother was a Jew or any person who has gone through the formal process of conversion to Judaism.
It is important to note that being a Jew has nothing to do with what you believe or what you do. A person born to non-Jewish parents who has not undergone the formal process of conversion but who believes everything that Orthodox Jews believe and observes every law and custom of Judaism is still a non-Jew, even in the eyes of the most liberal movements of Judaism, and a person born to a Jewish mother who is an atheist and never practices the Jewish religion is still a Jew, even in the eyes of the ultra-Orthodox. In this sense, Judaism is more like a nationality than like other religions, and being Jewish is like a citizenship. See What Is Judaism?
http://www.jewfaq.org/whoisjew.htm
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Noachides don't have to practice Judaism, they are Jewish acorrding to halacha only by diffrent parameters.
Try to understand that Jews are also a people, you don't have to be Jewish only because you converted to Judaism or born Jewish as you don't have to born to Brits to be british or english.
Noachides are NOT Jews. Their mothers are not Jews and they don't descend from Abraham, Issaac and Jacob. They are righteous gentiles or b'nei Noach. You can't be Jew AND gentile at the same time.
Yes, Jews are a people, but the definition is:
"A Jew is any person whose mother was a Jew or any person who has gone through the formal process of conversion to Judaism.
It is important to note that being a Jew has nothing to do with what you believe or what you do. A person born to non-Jewish parents who has not undergone the formal process of conversion but who believes everything that Orthodox Jews believe and observes every law and custom of Judaism is still a non-Jew, even in the eyes of the most liberal movements of Judaism, and a person born to a Jewish mother who is an atheist and never practices the Jewish religion is still a Jew, even in the eyes of the ultra-Orthodox. In this sense, Judaism is more like a nationality than like other religions, and being Jewish is like a citizenship. See What Is Judaism? "
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Killing 29 Arabs, umm..I'm sorry, Muslim Jews (the Arabs of Hebron are actually Jews dencents who converted to Islam) who were probably innocent is evil thing to do.
This part is true they were Jews from Yemen [taman] who become moslems before coming to Eretz Yisroel .But they converted hundreds of yrs ago of their own free will in any event they are full blown moslems who hate Jews now.Also they knew these'Jews' were storing guns to kill the Real Jews on Purim this was a a defensive action by the great Tzadik Dr. Baruch Goldstien HASHEM YIMKO DAMO [MAY G-D AVENGE HIS BLOOD]
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Killing 29 Arabs, umm..I'm sorry, Muslim Jews (the Arabs of Hebron are actually Jews dencents who converted to Islam) who were probably innocent is evil thing to do.
This part is true they were Jews from Yemen [taman] who become moslems before coming to Eretz Yisroel .But they converted hundreds of yrs ago of their own free will in any event they are full blown moslems who hate Jews now.Also they knew these'Jews' were storing guns to kill the Real Jews on Purim this was a a defensive action by the great Tzadik Dr. Baruch Goldstien HASHEM LIMKON DAMO [MAY G-D AVENGE HIS BLOOD]
It's like Adam Shapiro. He's a Jew but he's married an arab whore and now his children and all their descendants will NOT be Jews. No big loss.
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Killing 29 Arabs, umm..I'm sorry, Muslim Jews (the Arabs of Hebron are actually Jews dencents who converted to Islam) who were probably innocent is evil thing to do.
This part is true they were Jews from Yemen [taman] who become moslems before coming to Eretz Yisroel .But they converted hundreds of yrs ago of their own free will in any event they are full blown moslems who hate Jews now.Also they knew these'Jews' were storing guns to kill the Real Jews on Purim this was a a defensive action by the great Tzadik Dr. Baruch Goldstien HASHEM LIMKON DAMO [MAY G-D AVENGE HIS BLOOD]
It's like Adam Shapiro. He's a Jew but he's married an arab whore and now his children and all their descendants will NOT be Jews. No big loss.
Exactlly true that was a good example
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Noachides don't have to practice Judaism, they are Jewish acorrding to halacha only by diffrent parameters.
Try to understand that Jews are also a people, you don't have to be Jewish only because you converted to Judaism or born Jewish as you don't have to born to Brits to be british or english.
Noachides are NOT Jews. Their mothers are not Jews and they don't descend from Abraham, Issaac and Jacob. They are righteous gentiles or b'nei Noach. You can't be Jew AND gentile at the same time.
Yes, Jews are a people, but the definition is:
"A Jew is any person whose mother was a Jew or any person who has gone through the formal process of conversion to Judaism.
It is important to note that being a Jew has nothing to do with what you believe or what you do. A person born to non-Jewish parents who has not undergone the formal process of conversion but who believes everything that Orthodox Jews believe and observes every law and custom of Judaism is still a non-Jew, even in the eyes of the most liberal movements of Judaism, and a person born to a Jewish mother who is an atheist and never practices the Jewish religion is still a Jew, even in the eyes of the ultra-Orthodox. In this sense, Judaism is more like a nationality than like other religions, and being Jewish is like a citizenship. See What Is Judaism? "
I can consider Noachides to be Jewish (Judeans) if they will live here, work here and do what everyone who lives here does. End of discussion.
mord- Most of Yemenite Jews (75%) are Arabs who believe in the Jewish religion. Actually, they, and only they, have the right to call themselves "Arab Jews".
And newman, nothing is bad by having Arab blood. It is possible that most or some Australians have blood of criminals because Australia was originally an Island for criminals, so what ?
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I can consider Noachides to be Jewish (Judeans) if they will live here, work here and do what everyone who lives here does. End of discussion.
You can't. If they have citizenship they are 'Israeli' gentiles................not Israelites, Jews or Hebrews.
Jews are only:
" any person whose mother was a Jew or any person who has gone through the formal process of conversion to Judaism. "
mord- Most of Yemenite Jews (75%) are Arabs who believe in the Jewish religion. Actually, they, and only they, have the right to call themselves "Arab Jews".
Correct. Arab, black, European or eskimo......"A Jew is any person whose mother was a Jew or any person who has gone through the formal process of conversion to Judaism."
And newman, nothing is bad by having Arab blood. It is possible that most or some Australians have blood of criminals because Australia was originally an Island for criminals, so what ?
Correct. But a gentile is a gentile no matter what his parentage (unless he's got a Jewish mother then he's a Jew).
A Jew with arab blood is still a Jew. But again.........."A Jew is any person whose mother was a Jew or any person who has gone through the formal process of conversion to Judaism."
Dexter,
You've done this before. You don't understand the meanings of the words.
'Israeli' is different to 'Israelite' etc.
A resident of Judea in 2007 is not a Jew.
A Jew is B'nai Yisrael. Yes I know it originates from the Tribe of Judah, but the accepted, Rabbinical modern meaning of Jew is "A Jew is any person whose mother was a Jew or any person who has gone through the formal process of conversion to Judaism."
In common speech, the word "Jew" is used to refer to all of the physical and spiritual descendants of Jacob/Israel, as well as to the patriarchs Abraham and Isaac and their wives, and the word "Judaism" is used to refer to their beliefs. Technically, this usage is inaccurate, just as it is technically inaccurate to use the word "Indian" to refer to the original inhabitants of the Americas. However, this technically inaccurate usage is common both within the Jewish community and outside of it, and is therefore used throughout this site.
Just because somebody lives in Judea in 2007 doesn't make him a Jew.
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You can't. If they have citizenship they are 'Israeli' gentiles................not Israelites, Jews or Hebrews.
Jews are only:
" any person whose mother was a Jew or any person who has gone through the formal process of conversion to Judaism. "
There is no diffrent between Israelis and Israelites, Jews and Judeans. Judeans/Jews/Israeli/Israelites are people who live in Israel and are loyal to it. The Jewish nation is far far long time ago a citizenship's nation and not nation by religion. On that assumption Zionism was created, that's why you can be Jewish without believing in Judaism, and let's fergot for one moment Judaism keep referring you as Jewish, because you don't care or other people that try to define you don't care.
And again, End of discussion.
Correct. Arab, black, European or eskimo......"A Jew is any person whose mother was a Jew or any person who has gone through the formal process of conversion to Judaism."
And let's fergot that Judaism keep referring you as Jewish even if you don't believe it.
Correct. But a gentile is a gentile no matter what his parentage (unless he's got a Jewish mother then he's a Jew).
A Jew with Arab blood is still a Jew. But again.........."A Jew is any person whose mother was a Jew or any person who has gone through the formal process of conversion to Judaism."
Dexter,
You've done this before. You don't understand the meanings of the words.
'Israeli' is different to 'Israelite' etc.
A resident of Judea in 2007 is not a Jew.
A Jew is B'nai Israel. Yes I know it originates from the Tribe of Judah, but the accepted, Rabbinical modern meaning of Jew is "A Jew is any person whose mother was a Jew or any person who has gone through the formal process of conversion to Judaism."
In common speech, the word "Jew" is used to refer to all of the physical and spiritual descendants of Jacob/Israel, as well as to the patriarchs Abraham and Isaac and their wives, and the word "Judaism" is used to refer to their beliefs. Technically, this usage is inaccurate, just as it is technically inaccurate to use the word "Indian" to refer to the original inhabitants of the Americas. However, this technically inaccurate usage is common both within the Jewish community and outside of it, and is therefore used throughout this site.
Just because somebody lives in Judea in 2007 doesn't make him a Jew.
No, Gentile can be Jewish, or Hebrew or whatever. The term "Jewish" have dual meaning and the first meaning have nothing to do with the other one. Thus, an Arab can be Jewish, but he still be Arab by nationality, Arab can be Muslim by religion, but can be considered to Jewish by nationality.
Now, I hope that everything is solved.
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The definition of who is a Jew is clear. But what about Gentiles with Israelite descent? They are Gentiles, but can they be considered invaders? Apart from Hebron, are there any other palis who may be descendants of Jews? If so, they would be not Jewish, but neither Arabs!!!!! Great problem if lots of Palis are descendant of Jews! Anyone knows?????
Anyway, I think that nearly all Arabs outside Arabia, are just natives converted by force to Islam, but Palis invaded Israel in the early 20th century. They may not be real Arabs, but they have no Jewish descent either.
Before Zionism, all historians agree that Israel was nearly a desert.
Anyway it would be interesting to study the DNA, just for scientifical reasons. Not political, even an hallachically Jew can be expelled or executed if he becomes a Jew killer. Hitler was also said to have a Jewish ancestor, but he had no right to be left alive even outside Israel!!!!!!
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Oy Gevalt, Dexter! Judaism isn't just a "belief." It also has nothing to do with where you live.
Now, onto the real subject, Dr. Goldstein ZT"L, HY"D, he was not suicidal, and he saved countless Jewish lives. A Jewish hero in the truest sense.
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Oy Gevalt, Dexter! Judaism isn't just a "belief." It also has nothing to do with where you live.
Now, onto the real subject, Dr. Goldstein ZT"L, HY"D, he was not suicidal, and he saved countless Jewish lives. A Jewish hero in the truest sense.
Govalt :::D
Judaism is a belief, religion, what ever you would like to call it. I just said that a "Jew" is a Jew by nationality, Religion or both.
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You can't. If they have citizenship they are 'Israeli' gentiles................not Israelites, Jews or Hebrews.
Jews are only:
" any person whose mother was a Jew or any person who has gone through the formal process of conversion to Judaism. "
There is no diffrent between Israelis and Israelites, Jews and Judeans. Judeans/Jews/Israeli/Israelites are people who live in Israel and are loyal to it. The Jewish nation is far far long time ago a citizenship's nation and not nation by religion. On that assumption Zionism was created, that's why you can be Jewish without believing in Judaism, and let's fergot for one moment Judaism keep referring you as Jewish, because you don't care or other people that try to define you don't care.
And again, End of discussion.
Correct. Arab, black, European or eskimo......"A Jew is any person whose mother was a Jew or any person who has gone through the formal process of conversion to Judaism."
And let's fergot that Judaism keep referring you as Jewish even if you don't believe it.
Correct. But a gentile is a gentile no matter what his parentage (unless he's got a Jewish mother then he's a Jew).
A Jew with Arab blood is still a Jew. But again.........."A Jew is any person whose mother was a Jew or any person who has gone through the formal process of conversion to Judaism."
Dexter,
You've done this before. You don't understand the meanings of the words.
'Israeli' is different to 'Israelite' etc.
A resident of Judea in 2007 is not a Jew.
A Jew is B'nai Israel. Yes I know it originates from the Tribe of Judah, but the accepted, Rabbinical modern meaning of Jew is "A Jew is any person whose mother was a Jew or any person who has gone through the formal process of conversion to Judaism."
In common speech, the word "Jew" is used to refer to all of the physical and spiritual descendants of Jacob/Israel, as well as to the patriarchs Abraham and Isaac and their wives, and the word "Judaism" is used to refer to their beliefs. Technically, this usage is inaccurate, just as it is technically inaccurate to use the word "Indian" to refer to the original inhabitants of the Americas. However, this technically inaccurate usage is common both within the Jewish community and outside of it, and is therefore used throughout this site.
Just because somebody lives in Judea in 2007 doesn't make him a Jew.
No, Gentile can be Jewish, or Hebrew or whatever. The term "Jewish" have dual meaning and the first meaning have nothing to do with the other one. Thus, an Arab can be Jewish, but he still be Arab by nationality, Arab can be Muslim by religion, but can be considered to Jewish by nationality.
Now, I hope that everything is solved.
Wrong wrong wrong wrong!
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Is·rae·li (ĭz-rā'lē)
adj.
Of or relating to modern-day Israel or its people.
n., pl. -lis.
A native or inhabitant of modern-day Israel.
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Noun: Israelite 'izreeu`lIt
A native or inhabitant of the ancient kingdom of Israel
A person belonging to the worldwide group claiming descent from Jacob (or converted to it) and connected by cultural or religious ties
- Jew, Hebrew
See..........they're different.
A gentile can't be a Jew. He can BECOME a JEW with conversion.
A gentile can't be an Israelite. He can be Israeli with citizenship in the MODERN State of Israel. (see dictionary meanings above).
A gentile cannot be a Hebrew, Jew, Israelite, Judean without conversion. Then he's NO LONGER a gentile.
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Oy Gevalt, Dexter! Judaism isn't just a "belief." It also has nothing to do with where you live.
Now, onto the real subject, Dr. Goldstein ZT"L, HY"D, he was not suicidal, and he saved countless Jewish lives. A Jewish hero in the truest sense.
Govalt :::D
Judaism is a belief, religion, what ever you would like to call it. I just said that a "Jew" is a Jew by nationality, Religion or both.
"Jews" are a people, an ethnicity and a nation. But NOT a nationality. There's a subtle difference. Religion is the cornerstone of that peoplehood, but a Jew is still a Jew even with NO religion or a false religion.
For the 4th time:
"A Jew is any person whose mother was a Jew or any person who has gone through the formal process of conversion to Judaism.
It is important to note that being a Jew has nothing to do with what you believe or what you do. A person born to non-Jewish parents who has not undergone the formal process of conversion but who believes everything that Orthodox Jews believe and observes every law and custom of Judaism is still a non-Jew, even in the eyes of the most liberal movements of Judaism, and a person born to a Jewish mother who is an atheist and never practices the Jewish religion is still a Jew, even in the eyes of the ultra-Orthodox. In this sense, Judaism is more like a nationality than like other religions, and being Jewish is like a citizenship. See What Is Judaism? "
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Dexter, you are wrong. If I go to Israel and get the Israeli citizenship, even if I am a pure Noachide, or even if I imitate the Jewish lifestyle, even if I am more loyal to Israel and the Jews than the self hating Israeli Govt. I will still be an Israeli Gentile. Never a Jew, unless I undergo Hallachic conversion.
To be a Jew is not a religion ( a Jew who converts to atheism is still a Jew), neither a nationality (someones who is Israeli may be a Goy). To be a Jew/Israelite is just to have a Jewish soul. And a Jewish soul is acquiered only by being born by a Jewess or converting according to Hallacha.
And, please don't confuse conversion to Judaism with conversion to a religion. To be a Jew it's not enough to convert to the Jewish religion (Torah). A gentile who was formerly an atheist also converts to the Torah, and does what Torah orders to the Gentiles, that is to be Noahide. But he is still not a Jew.
Converting to Judaism requieres accepting Torah ( in case the person has not accepted it formerly as a Noahide), deciding to keep what Torah tells to Jews AND A FORMAL RITUAL KOSHER CONVERSION TO GET A NESHAMA!
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Dexter, you are wrong. If I go to Israel and get the Israeli citizenship, even if I am a pure Noachide, or even if I imitate the Jewish lifestyle, even if I am more loyal to Israel and the Jews than the self hating Israeli Govt. I will still be an Israeli Gentile. Never a Jew, unless I undergo Hallachic conversion.
To be a Jew is not a religion ( a Jew who converts to atheism is still a Jew), neither a nationality (someones who is Israeli may be a Goy). To be a Jew/Israelite is just to have a Jewish soul. And a Jewish soul is acquiered only by being born by a Jewess or converting according to Hallacha.
And, please don't confuse conversion to Judaism with conversion to a religion. To be a Jew it's not enough to convert to the Jewish religion (Torah). A gentile who was formerly an atheist also converts to the Torah, and does what Torah orders to the Gentiles, that is to be Noahide. But he is still not a Jew.
Converting to Judaism requieres accepting Torah ( in case the person has not accepted it formerly as a Noahide), deciding to keep what Torah tells to Jews AND A FORMAL RITUAL KOSHER CONVERSION TO GET A NESHAMA!
Raul, that's the first sensible thing you've posted in days.
I agree with you 100%. So will every orthodox Rabbi.
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Wrong wrong wrong wrong!
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Is·rae·li (ĭz-rā'lē)
adj.
Of or relating to modern-day Israel or its people.
n., pl. -lis.
A native or inhabitant of modern-day Israel.
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Noun: Israelite 'izreeu`lIt
A native or inhabitant of the ancient kingdom of Israel
A person belonging to the worldwide group claiming descent from Jacob (or converted to it) and connected by cultural or religious ties
- Jew, Hebrew
See..........they're different.
A gentile can't be a Jew. He can BECOME a JEW with conversion.
A gentile can't be an Israelite. He can be Israeli with citizenship in the MODERN State of Israel. (see dictionary meanings above).
A gentile cannot be a Hebrew, Jew, Israelite, Judean without conversion. Then he's NO LONGER a gentile.
Ah..And ALL PEOPLE WHO LIVED IN THE ACIENT ISRAELI KINGDOM OR THE ACIENT JUDEA KINGDOM WERE JEWS ? NO! but because in Hebrew Jewish and Judea, Israeli and Israelite is the same thing, also gentiles were Jewish/Judeans. Ah..END OF DISCCUSION FOR GOD'S SAKE!
(http://"Jews" are a people, an ethnicity and a nation. But NOT a nationality. There's a subtle difference. Religion is the cornerstone of that peoplehood, but a Jew is still a Jew even with NO religion or a false religion.)
Jews are not nationallity ? really ? Herzle would think you are wrong. Ben Gurion too. Begin too, Kahane too etc'. If Jews aren't nationallity than Zionism isn't the national movment of the Jewish people and Israel isn't the Jewish state, Jews are actually not a people but a religion etc'.
And again, Jew doesn't have to believe in Judaism, he doesn't have to born Jewish and doesn't have to convert. But because I see it's hard for you to put the line between "Jewish-Religion" and "Jewish-Nation", let's call those who are part of the Jewish nation as "Hebrews".
Raulmarrio2000-
If we'll change Israel's name to Judea than everyone will be just as Jews (=Judeans) as Arabs are Israeli.
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Wrong wrong wrong wrong!
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Is·rae·li (ĭz-rā'lē)
adj.
Of or relating to modern-day Israel or its people.
n., pl. -lis.
A native or inhabitant of modern-day Israel.
2/
Noun: Israelite 'izreeu`lIt
A native or inhabitant of the ancient kingdom of Israel
A person belonging to the worldwide group claiming descent from Jacob (or converted to it) and connected by cultural or religious ties
- Jew, Hebrew
See..........they're different.
A gentile can't be a Jew. He can BECOME a JEW with conversion.
A gentile can't be an Israelite. He can be Israeli with citizenship in the MODERN State of Israel. (see dictionary meanings above).
A gentile cannot be a Hebrew, Jew, Israelite, Judean without conversion. Then he's NO LONGER a gentile.
Ah..And ALL PEOPLE WHO LIVED IN THE ACIENT ISRAELI KINGDOM OR THE ACIENT JUDEA KINGDOM WERE JEWS ? NO! but because in Hebrew Jewish and Judea, Israeli and Israelite is the same thing, also gentiles were Jewish/Judeans. Ah..END OF DISCCUSION FOR G-d'S SAKE!
(http://"Jews" are a people, an ethnicity and a nation. But NOT a nationality. There's a subtle difference. Religion is the cornerstone of that peoplehood, but a Jew is still a Jew even with NO religion or a false religion.)
Jews are not nationallity ? really ? Herzle would think you are wrong. Ben Gurion too. Begin too, Kahane too etc'. If Jews aren't nationallity than Zionism isn't the national movment of the Jewish people and Israel isn't the Jewish state, Jews are actually not a people but a religion etc'.
And again, Jew doesn't have to believe in Judaism, he doesn't have to born Jewish and doesn't have to convert. But because I see it's hard for you to put the line between "Jewish-Religion" and "Jewish-Nation", let's call those who are part of the Jewish nation as "Hebrews".
Raulmarrio2000-
If we'll change Israel's name to Judea than everyone will be just as Jews (=Judeans) as Arabs are Israeli.
The Hebrew language is concise. We're speaking of the English definitions accepted by the Rabbis.
Nation......YES
Nationality......NO.
There's a difference.
A Cherokee Indian is part of the Cherokee Nation, but is nationality is US Citizen.
Again:
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Is·rae·li (ĭz-rā'lē)
adj.
Of or relating to modern-day Israel or its people.
n., pl. -lis.
A native or inhabitant of modern-day Israel.
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Noun: Israelite 'izreeu`lIt
A native or inhabitant of the ancient kingdom of Israel
A person belonging to the worldwide group claiming descent from Jacob (or converted to it) and connected by cultural or religious ties
- Jew, Hebrew
See..........they're different.
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The words "Jewish", "Jew" etc' don't appear in the bible and in the talmud at all.
The fact that the rebbies get the ENGLISH definision on the HEBREW(!!) defenisions tells you that you need to find other rabbies.
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The words "Jewish", "Jew" etc' don't appear in the bible and in the talmud at all.
The fact that the rebbies get the ENGLISH definision on the HEBREW(!!) defenisions tells you that you need to find other rabbies.
There's a reason:
The original name for the people we now call Jews was Hebrews. The word "Hebrew" (in Hebrew, "Ivri") is first used in the Torah to describe Abraham (Gen. 14:13).
Another name used for the people is Children of Israel or Israelites, which refers to the fact that the people are descendants of Jacob, who was also called Israel.
The word "Jew" (in Hebrew, "Yehudi") is derived from the name Judah, which was the name of one of Jacob's twelve sons. Judah was the ancestor of one of the tribes of Israel, which was named after him. Likewise, the word Judaism literally means "Judah-ism," that is, the religion of the Yehudim. Other sources, however, say that the word "Yehudim" means "People of G-d," because the first three letters of "Yehudah" are the same as the first three letters of G-d's four-letter name.
Originally, the term Yehudi referred specifically to members of the tribe of Judah, as distinguished from the other tribes of Israel. However, after the death of King Solomon, the nation of Israel was split into two kingdoms: the kingdom of Judah and the kingdom of Israel (I Kings 12; II Chronicles 10). After that time, the word Yehudi could properly be used to describe anyone from the kingdom of Judah, which included the tribes of Judah, Benjamin and Levi, as well as scattered settlements from other tribes. The most obvious biblical example of this usage is in Esther 2:5, where Mordecai is referred to as both a Yehudi and a member of the tribe of Benjamin.
In the 6th century B.C.E., the kingdom of Israel was conquered by Assyria and the ten tribes were exiled from the land (II Kings 17), leaving only the tribes in the kingdom of Judah remaining to carry on Abraham's heritage. These people of the kingdom of Judah were generally known to themselves and to other nations as Yehudim (Jews), and that name continues to be used today.
In common speech, the word "Jew" is used to refer to all of the physical and spiritual descendants of Jacob/Israel, as well as to the patriarchs Abraham and Isaac and their wives, and the word "Judaism" is used to refer to their beliefs. Technically, this usage is inaccurate, just as it is technically inaccurate to use the word "Indian" to refer to the original inhabitants of the Americas. However, this technically inaccurate usage is common both within the Jewish community and outside of it, and is therefore used throughout this site.
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I know that, newman.
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Dexter, soo you call the russian non-jews in Israel as being Jewish? NO or the arabs just because they live in Israel and have Israeli citizenship doesnt make them Jewish. Also just becuase I live in NY doesnt make me a non-Jew or not an Israelite.
Unfortunatly Herzel and secular zionist movement have twisted the heads of Jews like Dexter here, where being Jewish is actually only (or mainly) associated with having an Israeli passport. Remember that Jews were Jews before the modern state of Israel and if the state gets destroyed their still will be Jews.
About your comment/ question of Israel being a Jewish state - the answer is NO. Even Rav Kahane said that its a state of Jews, and not a Jewish state.
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Dexter, soo you call the russian non-jews in Israel as being Jewish? NO or the arabs just because they live in Israel and have Israeli citizenship doesnt make them Jewish. Also just becuase I live in NY doesnt make me a non-Jew or not an Israelite.
Unfortunatly Herzel and secular zionist movement have twisted the heads of Jews like Dexter here, where being Jewish is actually only (or mainly) associated with having an Israeli passport. Remember that Jews were Jews before the modern state of Israel and if the state gets destroyed their still will be Jews.
About your comment/ question of Israel being a Jewish state - the answer is NO. Even Rav Kahane said that its a state of Jews, and not a Jewish state.
Currently Israel is a State of Jews, but it's ultimate purpose is to be a Jewish State where we can serve G-d properly and a State that will follow Jewish Law
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When Dr. Baruch Goldstein massacred Arabs why did he expose himself to the Arabs? They ended up beating him to death because of that. He could have snipped them instead. Is it possible he was suicidal and if he were should he be praised? I don't think there is anything wrong with sacrificing your life for a cause but since Judaism forbids suicide should religious Jews view him as a hero?
his gun jammed because it was not cleaned properly and the Arabs turned on him
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Dexter, soo you call the russian non-jews in Israel as being Jewish? NO or the arabs just because they live in Israel and have Israeli citizenship doesnt make them Jewish. Also just becuase I live in NY doesnt make me a non-Jew or not an Israelite.
Unfortunatly Herzel and secular zionist movement have twisted the heads of Jews like Dexter here, where being Jewish is actually only (or mainly) associated with having an Israeli passport. Remember that Jews were Jews before the modern state of Israel and if the state gets destroyed their still will be Jews.
About your comment/ question of Israel being a Jewish state - the answer is NO. Even Rav Kahane said that its a state of Jews, and not a Jewish state.
Jews ? no, as long as they keep calling themselvs Russian why would I call tham Jews ?
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Dexter, soo you call the russian non-jews in Israel as being Jewish? NO or the arabs just because they live in Israel and have Israeli citizenship doesnt make them Jewish. Also just becuase I live in NY doesnt make me a non-Jew or not an Israelite.
Unfortunatly Herzel and secular zionist movement have twisted the heads of Jews like Dexter here, where being Jewish is actually only (or mainly) associated with having an Israeli passport. Remember that Jews were Jews before the modern state of Israel and if the state gets destroyed their still will be Jews.
About your comment/ question of Israel being a Jewish state - the answer is NO. Even Rav Kahane said that its a state of Jews, and not a Jewish state.
Jews ? no, as long as they keep calling themselvs Russian why would I call tham Jews ?
Even if they call themselves Israeli you can't call them Jews, Hebrews or Israelites. Unless they have Jewish mothers or are hallachicly converted they will be Israeli gentiles. Never Jews.
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The words "Jewish", "Jew" etc' don't appear in the bible and in the talmud at all.
The fact that the rebbies get the ENGLISH definision on the HEBREW(!!) defenisions tells you that you need to find other rabbies.
What are you talking about?
The Word Jew certainly DOES appear in the Bible.
Book of Esther
Chapter 2
ה אִישׁ יְהוּדִי, הָיָה בְּשׁוּשַׁן הַבִּירָה; וּשְׁמוֹ מָרְדֳּכַי, בֶּן יָאִיר בֶּן-שִׁמְעִי בֶּן-קִישׁ--אִישׁ יְמִינִי. 5 There was a certain Jew in Shushan the castle, whose name was Mordecai the son of Jair the son of Shimei the son of Kish, a Benjamite,
Chapter 3
ד וַיְהִי, באמרם (כְּאָמְרָם) אֵלָיו יוֹם וָיוֹם, וְלֹא שָׁמַע, אֲלֵיהֶם; וַיַּגִּידוּ לְהָמָן, לִרְאוֹת הֲיַעַמְדוּ דִּבְרֵי מָרְדֳּכַי--כִּי-הִגִּיד לָהֶם, אֲשֶׁר-הוּא יְהוּדִי. 4 Now it came to pass, when they spoke daily unto him, and he hearkened not unto them, that they told Haman, to see whether Mordecai's words would stand; for he had told them that he was a Jew.
ו וַיִּבֶז בְּעֵינָיו, לִשְׁלֹחַ יָד בְּמָרְדֳּכַי לְבַדּוֹ--כִּי-הִגִּידוּ לוֹ, אֶת-עַם מָרְדֳּכָי; וַיְבַקֵּשׁ הָמָן, לְהַשְׁמִיד אֶת-כָּל-הַיְּהוּדִים אֲשֶׁר בְּכָל-מַלְכוּת אֲחַשְׁוֵרוֹשׁ--עַם מָרְדֳּכָי. 6 But it seemed contemptible in his eyes to lay hands on Mordecai alone; for they had made known to him the people of Mordecai; wherefore Haman sought to destroy all the Jews that were throughout the whole kingdom of Ahasuerus, even the people of Mordecai.
יג וְנִשְׁלוֹחַ סְפָרִים בְּיַד הָרָצִים, אֶל-כָּל-מְדִינוֹת הַמֶּלֶךְ--לְהַשְׁמִיד לַהֲרֹג וּלְאַבֵּד אֶת-כָּל-הַיְּהוּדִים מִנַּעַר וְעַד-זָקֵן טַף וְנָשִׁים בְּיוֹם אֶחָד, בִּשְׁלוֹשָׁה עָשָׂר לְחֹדֶשׁ שְׁנֵים-עָשָׂר הוּא-חֹדֶשׁ אֲדָר; וּשְׁלָלָם, לָבוֹז. 13 And letters were sent by posts into all the king's provinces, to destroy, to slay, and to cause to perish, all Jews, both young and old, little children and women, in one day, even upon the thirteenth day of the twelfth month, which is the month Adar, and to take the spoil of them for a prey.
Chapter 4
ג וּבְכָל-מְדִינָה וּמְדִינָה, מְקוֹם אֲשֶׁר דְּבַר-הַמֶּלֶךְ וְדָתוֹ מַגִּיעַ--אֵבֶל גָּדוֹל לַיְּהוּדִים, וְצוֹם וּבְכִי וּמִסְפֵּד; שַׂק וָאֵפֶר, יֻצַּע לָרַבִּים. 3 And in every province, whithersoever the king's commandment and his decree came, there was great mourning among the Jews, and fasting, and weeping, and wailing; and many lay in sackcloth and ashes.
ז וַיַּגֶּד-לוֹ מָרְדֳּכַי, אֵת כָּל-אֲשֶׁר קָרָהוּ; וְאֵת פָּרָשַׁת הַכֶּסֶף, אֲשֶׁר אָמַר הָמָן לִשְׁקוֹל עַל-גִּנְזֵי הַמֶּלֶךְ ביהודיים (בַּיְּהוּדִים)--לְאַבְּדָם. 7 And Mordecai told him of all that had happened unto him, and the exact sum of the money that Haman had promised to pay to the king's treasuries for the Jews, to destroy them.
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יד כִּי אִם-הַחֲרֵשׁ תַּחֲרִישִׁי, בָּעֵת הַזֹּאת--רֶוַח וְהַצָּלָה יַעֲמוֹד לַיְּהוּדִים מִמָּקוֹם אַחֵר, וְאַתְּ וּבֵית-אָבִיךְ תֹּאבֵדוּ; וּמִי יוֹדֵעַ--אִם-לְעֵת כָּזֹאת, הִגַּעַתְּ לַמַּלְכוּת. 14 For if thou altogether holdest thy peace at this time, then will relief and deliverance arise to the Jews from another place, but thou and thy father's house will perish; and who knoweth whether thou art not come to royal estate for such a time as this?'
טז לֵךְ כְּנוֹס אֶת-כָּל-הַיְּהוּדִים הַנִּמְצְאִים בְּשׁוּשָׁן, וְצוּמוּ עָלַי וְאַל-תֹּאכְלוּ וְאַל-תִּשְׁתּוּ שְׁלֹשֶׁת יָמִים לַיְלָה וָיוֹם--גַּם-אֲנִי וְנַעֲרֹתַי, אָצוּם כֵּן; וּבְכֵן אָבוֹא אֶל-הַמֶּלֶךְ, אֲשֶׁר לֹא-כַדָּת, וְכַאֲשֶׁר אָבַדְתִּי, אָבָדְתִּי. 16 'Go, gather together all the Jews that are present in Shushan, and fast ye for me, and neither eat nor drink three days, night or day; I also and my maidens will fast in like manner; and so will I go in unto the king, which is not according to the law; and if I perish, I perish.'
יג וְכָל-זֶה, אֵינֶנּוּ שֹׁוֶה לִי: בְּכָל-עֵת, אֲשֶׁר אֲנִי רֹאֶה אֶת-מָרְדֳּכַי הַיְּהוּדִי--יוֹשֵׁב, בְּשַׁעַר הַמֶּלֶךְ. 13 Yet all this availeth me nothing, so long as I see Mordecai the Jew sitting at the king's gate.'
Chapter 6
י וַיֹּאמֶר הַמֶּלֶךְ לְהָמָן, מַהֵר קַח אֶת-הַלְּבוּשׁ וְאֶת-הַסּוּס כַּאֲשֶׁר דִּבַּרְתָּ, וַעֲשֵׂה-כֵן לְמָרְדֳּכַי הַיְּהוּדִי, הַיּוֹשֵׁב בְּשַׁעַר הַמֶּלֶךְ: אַל-תַּפֵּל דָּבָר, מִכֹּל אֲשֶׁר דִּבַּרְתָּ. 10 Then the king said to Haman: 'Make haste, and take the apparel and the horse, as thou hast said, and do even so to Mordecai the Jew, that sitteth at the king's gate; let nothing fail of all that thou hast spoken.'
יג וַיְסַפֵּר הָמָן לְזֶרֶשׁ אִשְׁתּוֹ, וּלְכָל-אֹהֲבָיו, אֵת, כָּל-אֲשֶׁר קָרָהוּ; וַיֹּאמְרוּ לוֹ חֲכָמָיו וְזֶרֶשׁ אִשְׁתּוֹ, אִם מִזֶּרַע הַיְּהוּדִים מָרְדֳּכַי אֲשֶׁר הַחִלּוֹתָ לִנְפֹּל לְפָנָיו לֹא-תוּכַל לוֹ--כִּי-נָפוֹל תִּפּוֹל, לְפָנָיו. 13 And Haman recounted unto Zeresh his wife and all his friends every thing that had befallen him. Then said his wise men and Zeresh his wife unto him: 'If Mordecai, before whom thou hast begun to fall, be of the seed of the Jews, thou shalt not prevail against him, but shalt surely fall before him.'
Chapter 8
א בַּיּוֹם הַהוּא, נָתַן הַמֶּלֶךְ אֲחַשְׁוֵרוֹשׁ לְאֶסְתֵּר הַמַּלְכָּה, אֶת-בֵּית הָמָן, צֹרֵר היהודיים (הַיְּהוּדִים); וּמָרְדֳּכַי, בָּא לִפְנֵי הַמֶּלֶךְ--כִּי-הִגִּידָה אֶסְתֵּר, מַה הוּא-לָהּ. 1 On that day did the king Ahasuerus give the house of Haman the Jews' enemy unto Esther the queen. And Mordecai came before the king; for Esther had told what he was unto her.
ג וַתּוֹסֶף אֶסְתֵּר, וַתְּדַבֵּר לִפְנֵי הַמֶּלֶךְ, וַתִּפֹּל, לִפְנֵי רַגְלָיו; וַתֵּבְךְּ וַתִּתְחַנֶּן-לוֹ, לְהַעֲבִיר אֶת-רָעַת הָמָן הָאֲגָגִי, וְאֵת מַחֲשַׁבְתּוֹ, אֲשֶׁר חָשַׁב עַל-הַיְּהוּדִים. 3 And Esther spoke yet again before the king, and fell down at his feet, and besought him with tears to put away the mischief of Haman the Agagite, and his device that he had devised against the Jews.
ה וַתֹּאמֶר אִם-עַל-הַמֶּלֶךְ טוֹב וְאִם-מָצָאתִי חֵן לְפָנָיו, וְכָשֵׁר הַדָּבָר לִפְנֵי הַמֶּלֶךְ, וְטוֹבָה אֲנִי, בְּעֵינָיו--יִכָּתֵב לְהָשִׁיב אֶת-הַסְּפָרִים, מַחֲשֶׁבֶת הָמָן בֶּן-הַמְּדָתָא הָאֲגָגִי, אֲשֶׁר כָּתַב לְאַבֵּד אֶת-הַיְּהוּדִים, אֲשֶׁר בְּכָל-מְדִינוֹת הַמֶּלֶךְ. 5 And she said: 'If it please the king, and if I have found favour in his sight, and the thing seem right before the king, and I be pleasing in his eyes, let it be written to reverse the letters devised by Haman the son of Hammedatha the Agagite, which he wrote to destroy the Jews that are in all the king's provinces;
ז וַיֹּאמֶר הַמֶּלֶךְ אֲחַשְׁוֵרֹשׁ לְאֶסְתֵּר הַמַּלְכָּה, וּלְמָרְדֳּכַי הַיְּהוּדִי: הִנֵּה בֵית-הָמָן נָתַתִּי לְאֶסְתֵּר, וְאֹתוֹ תָּלוּ עַל-הָעֵץ--עַל אֲשֶׁר-שָׁלַח יָדוֹ, ביהודיים (בַּיְּהוּדִים). 7 Then the king Ahasuerus said unto Esther the queen and to Mordecai the Jew: 'Behold, I have given Esther the house of Haman, and him they have hanged upon the gallows, because he laid his hand upon the Jews.
ח וְאַתֶּם כִּתְבוּ עַל-הַיְּהוּדִים כַּטּוֹב בְּעֵינֵיכֶם, בְּשֵׁם הַמֶּלֶךְ, וְחִתְמוּ, בְּטַבַּעַת הַמֶּלֶךְ: כִּי-כְתָב אֲשֶׁר-נִכְתָּב בְּשֵׁם-הַמֶּלֶךְ, וְנַחְתּוֹם בְּטַבַּעַת הַמֶּלֶךְ--אֵין לְהָשִׁיב. 8 Write ye also concerning the Jews, as it liketh you, in the king's name, and seal it with the king's ring; for the writing which is written in the king's name, and sealed with the king's ring, may no man reverse.'
ט וַיִּקָּרְאוּ סֹפְרֵי-הַמֶּלֶךְ בָּעֵת-הַהִיא בַּחֹדֶשׁ הַשְּׁלִישִׁי הוּא-חֹדֶשׁ סִיוָן, בִּשְׁלוֹשָׁה וְעֶשְׂרִים בּוֹ, וַיִּכָּתֵב כְּכָל-אֲשֶׁר-צִוָּה מָרְדֳּכַי אֶל-הַיְּהוּדִים וְאֶל הָאֲחַשְׁדַּרְפְּנִים-וְהַפַּחוֹת וְשָׂרֵי הַמְּדִינוֹת אֲשֶׁר מֵהֹדּוּ וְעַד-כּוּשׁ שֶׁבַע וְעֶשְׂרִים וּמֵאָה מְדִינָה, מְדִינָה וּמְדִינָה כִּכְתָבָהּ וְעַם וָעָם כִּלְשֹׁנוֹ; וְאֶל-הַיְּהוּדִים--כִּכְתָבָם, וְכִלְשׁוֹנָם. 9 Then were the king's scribes called at that time, in the third month, which is the month Sivan, on the three and twentieth day thereof; and it was written according to all that Mordecai commanded concerning the Jews, even to the satraps, and the governors and princes of the provinces which are from India unto Ethiopia, a hundred twenty and seven provinces, unto every province according to the writing thereof, and unto every people after their language, and to the Jews according to their writing, and according to their language.
יא אֲשֶׁר נָתַן הַמֶּלֶךְ לַיְּהוּדִים אֲשֶׁר בְּכָל-עִיר-וָעִיר, לְהִקָּהֵל וְלַעֲמֹד עַל-נַפְשָׁם--לְהַשְׁמִיד וְלַהֲרֹג וּלְאַבֵּד אֶת-כָּל-חֵיל עַם וּמְדִינָה הַצָּרִים אֹתָם, טַף וְנָשִׁים; וּשְׁלָלָם, לָבוֹז. 11 that the king had granted the Jews that were in every city to gather themselves together, and to stand for their life, to destroy, and to slay, and to cause to perish, all the forces of the people and province that would assault them, their little ones and women, and to take the spoil of them for a prey,
יג פַּתְשֶׁגֶן הַכְּתָב, לְהִנָּתֵן דָּת בְּכָל-מְדִינָה וּמְדִינָה, גָּלוּי, לְכָל-הָעַמִּים; וְלִהְיוֹת היהודיים (הַיְּהוּדִים) עתודים (עֲתִידִים) לַיּוֹם הַזֶּה, לְהִנָּקֵם מֵאֹיְבֵיהֶם. 13 The copy of the writing, to be given out for a decree in every province, was to be published unto all the peoples, and that the Jews should be ready against that day to avenge themselves on their enemies.
טז לַיְּהוּדִים, הָיְתָה אוֹרָה וְשִׂמְחָה, וְשָׂשֹׂן, וִיקָר. 16 The Jews had light and gladness, and joy and honour.
יז וּבְכָל-מְדִינָה וּמְדִינָה וּבְכָל-עִיר וָעִיר, מְקוֹם אֲשֶׁר דְּבַר-הַמֶּלֶךְ וְדָתוֹ מַגִּיעַ, שִׂמְחָה וְשָׂשׂוֹן לַיְּהוּדִים, מִשְׁתֶּה וְיוֹם טוֹב; וְרַבִּים מֵעַמֵּי הָאָרֶץ, מִתְיַהֲדִים--כִּי-נָפַל פַּחַד-הַיְּהוּדִים, עֲלֵיהֶם. 17 And in every province, and in every city, whithersoever the king's commandment and his decree came, the Jews had gladness and joy, a feast and a good day. And many from among the peoples of the land became Jews; for the fear of the Jews was fallen upon them.
Chapter 9
א וּבִשְׁנֵים עָשָׂר חֹדֶשׁ הוּא-חֹדֶשׁ אֲדָר, בִּשְׁלוֹשָׁה עָשָׂר יוֹם בּוֹ, אֲשֶׁר הִגִּיעַ דְּבַר-הַמֶּלֶךְ וְדָתוֹ, לְהֵעָשׂוֹת: בַּיּוֹם, אֲשֶׁר שִׂבְּרוּ אֹיְבֵי הַיְּהוּדִים לִשְׁלוֹט בָּהֶם, וְנַהֲפוֹךְ הוּא, אֲשֶׁר יִשְׁלְטוּ הַיְּהוּדִים הֵמָּה בְּשֹׂנְאֵיהֶם. 1 Now in the twelfth month, which is the month Adar, on the thirteenth day of the same, when the king's commandment and his decree drew near to be put in execution, in the day that the enemies of the Jews hoped to have rule over them; whereas it was turned to the contrary, that the Jews had rule over them that hated them;
ב נִקְהֲלוּ הַיְּהוּדִים בְּעָרֵיהֶם, בְּכָל-מְדִינוֹת הַמֶּלֶךְ אֲחַשְׁוֵרוֹשׁ, לִשְׁלֹחַ יָד, בִּמְבַקְשֵׁי רָעָתָם; וְאִישׁ לֹא-עָמַד לִפְנֵיהֶם, כִּי-נָפַל פַּחְדָּם עַל-כָּל-הָעַמִּים. 2 the Jews gathered themselves together in their cities throughout all the provinces of the king Ahasuerus, to lay hand on such as sought their hurt; and no man could withstand them; for the fear of them was fallen upon all the peoples.
ג וְכָל-שָׂרֵי הַמְּדִינוֹת וְהָאֲחַשְׁדַּרְפְּנִים וְהַפַּחוֹת, וְעֹשֵׂי הַמְּלָאכָה אֲשֶׁר לַמֶּלֶךְ--מְנַשְּׂאִים, אֶת-הַיְּהוּדִים: כִּי-נָפַל פַּחַד-מָרְדֳּכַי, עֲלֵיהֶם. 3 And all the princes of the provinces, and the satraps, and the governors, and they that did the king's business, helped the Jews; because the fear of Mordecai was fallen upon them.
ה וַיַּכּוּ הַיְּהוּדִים בְּכָל-אֹיְבֵיהֶם, מַכַּת-חֶרֶב וְהֶרֶג וְאַבְדָן; וַיַּעֲשׂוּ בְשֹׂנְאֵיהֶם, כִּרְצוֹנָם. 5 And the Jews smote all their enemies with the stroke of the sword, and with slaughter and destruction, and did what they would unto them that hated them.
ו וּבְשׁוּשַׁן הַבִּירָה, הָרְגוּ הַיְּהוּדִים וְאַבֵּד--חֲמֵשׁ מֵאוֹת, {ר} אִישׁ. {ס} 6 And in Shushan the castle the Jews slew and destroyed five hundred men.
י עֲשֶׂרֶת {ר} בְּנֵי הָמָן בֶּן-הַמְּדָתָא, צֹרֵר הַיְּהוּדִים--הָרָגוּ; וּבַבִּזָּה--לֹא שָׁלְחוּ, אֶת-יָדָם. 10 the ten sons of Haman the son of Hammedatha, the Jews' enemy, slew they; but on the spoil they laid not their hand.
יב וַיֹּאמֶר הַמֶּלֶךְ לְאֶסְתֵּר הַמַּלְכָּה, בְּשׁוּשַׁן הַבִּירָה הָרְגוּ הַיְּהוּדִים וְאַבֵּד חֲמֵשׁ מֵאוֹת אִישׁ וְאֵת עֲשֶׂרֶת בְּנֵי-הָמָן--בִּשְׁאָר מְדִינוֹת הַמֶּלֶךְ, מֶה עָשׂוּ; וּמַה-שְּׁאֵלָתֵךְ וְיִנָּתֵן לָךְ, וּמַה-בַּקָּשָׁתֵךְ עוֹד וְתֵעָשׂ. 12 And the king said unto Esther the queen: 'The Jews have slain and destroyed five hundred men in Shushan the castle, and the ten sons of Haman; what then have they done in the rest of the king's provinces! Now whatever thy petition, it shall be granted thee; and whatever thy request further, it shall be done.'
יג וַתֹּאמֶר אֶסְתֵּר, אִם-עַל-הַמֶּלֶךְ טוֹב--יִנָּתֵן גַּם-מָחָר לַיְּהוּדִים אֲשֶׁר בְּשׁוּשָׁן, לַעֲשׂוֹת כְּדָת הַיּוֹם; וְאֵת עֲשֶׂרֶת בְּנֵי-הָמָן, יִתְלוּ עַל-הָעֵץ. 13 Then said Esther: 'If it please the king, let it be granted to the Jews that are in Shushan to do to-morrow also according unto this day's decree, and let Haman's ten sons be hanged upon the gallows.'
טו וַיִּקָּהֲלוּ היהודיים (הַיְּהוּדִים) אֲשֶׁר-בְּשׁוּשָׁן, גַּם בְּיוֹם אַרְבָּעָה עָשָׂר לְחֹדֶשׁ אֲדָר, וַיַּהַרְגוּ בְשׁוּשָׁן, שְׁלֹשׁ מֵאוֹת אִישׁ; וּבַבִּזָּה--לֹא שָׁלְחוּ, אֶת-יָדָם. 15 And the Jews that were in Shushan gathered themselves together on the fourteenth day also of the month Adar, and slew three hundred men in Shushan; but on the spoil they laid not their hand.
טז וּשְׁאָר הַיְּהוּדִים אֲשֶׁר בִּמְדִינוֹת הַמֶּלֶךְ נִקְהֲלוּ וְעָמֹד עַל-נַפְשָׁם, וְנוֹחַ מֵאֹיְבֵיהֶם, וְהָרוֹג בְּשֹׂנְאֵיהֶם, חֲמִשָּׁה וְשִׁבְעִים אָלֶף; וּבַבִּזָּה--לֹא שָׁלְחוּ, אֶת-יָדָם. 16 And the other Jews that were in the king's provinces gathered themselves together, and stood for their lives, and had rest from their enemies, and slew of them that hated them seventy and five thousand--but on the spoil they laid not their hand--
יח והיהודיים (וְהַיְּהוּדִים) אֲשֶׁר-בְּשׁוּשָׁן, נִקְהֲלוּ בִּשְׁלוֹשָׁה עָשָׂר בּוֹ, וּבְאַרְבָּעָה עָשָׂר, בּוֹ; וְנוֹחַ, בַּחֲמִשָּׁה עָשָׂר בּוֹ, וְעָשֹׂה אֹתוֹ, יוֹם מִשְׁתֶּה וְשִׂמְחָה. 18 But the Jews that were in Shushan assembled together on the thirteenth day thereof, and on the fourteenth thereof; and on the fifteenth day of the same they rested, and made it a day of feasting and gladness.
יט עַל-כֵּן הַיְּהוּדִים הפרוזים (הַפְּרָזִים), הַיֹּשְׁבִים בְּעָרֵי הַפְּרָזוֹת--עֹשִׂים אֵת יוֹם אַרְבָּעָה עָשָׂר לְחֹדֶשׁ אֲדָר, שִׂמְחָה וּמִשְׁתֶּה וְיוֹם טוֹב; וּמִשְׁלֹחַ מָנוֹת, אִישׁ לְרֵעֵהוּ. 19 Therefore do the Jews of the villages, that dwell in the unwalled towns, make the fourteenth day of the month Adar a day of gladness and feasting, and a good day, and of sending portions one to another.
כ וַיִּכְתֹּב מָרְדֳּכַי, אֶת-הַדְּבָרִים הָאֵלֶּה; וַיִּשְׁלַח סְפָרִים אֶל-כָּל-הַיְּהוּדִים, אֲשֶׁר בְּכָל-מְדִינוֹת הַמֶּלֶךְ אֲחַשְׁוֵרוֹשׁ--הַקְּרוֹבִים, וְהָרְחוֹקִים. 20 And Mordecai wrote these things, and sent letters unto all the Jews that were in all the provinces of the king Ahasuerus, both nigh and far,
כב כַּיָּמִים, אֲשֶׁר-נָחוּ בָהֶם הַיְּהוּדִים מֵאֹיְבֵיהֶם, וְהַחֹדֶשׁ אֲשֶׁר נֶהְפַּךְ לָהֶם מִיָּגוֹן לְשִׂמְחָה, וּמֵאֵבֶל לְיוֹם טוֹב; לַעֲשׂוֹת אוֹתָם, יְמֵי מִשְׁתֶּה וְשִׂמְחָה, וּמִשְׁלֹחַ מָנוֹת אִישׁ לְרֵעֵהוּ, וּמַתָּנוֹת לָאֶבְיֹנִים. 22 the days wherein the Jews had rest from their enemies, and the month which was turned unto them from sorrow to gladness, and from mourning into a good day; that they should make them days of feasting and gladness, and of sending portions one to another, and gifts to the poor.
כג וְקִבֵּל, הַיְּהוּדִים, אֵת אֲשֶׁר-הֵחֵלּוּ, לַעֲשׂוֹת; וְאֵת אֲשֶׁר-כָּתַב מָרְדֳּכַי, אֲלֵיהֶם. 23 And the Jews took upon them to do as they had begun, and as Mordecai had written unto them;
כד כִּי הָמָן בֶּן-הַמְּדָתָא הָאֲגָגִי, צֹרֵר כָּל-הַיְּהוּדִים--חָשַׁב עַל-הַיְּהוּדִים, לְאַבְּדָם; וְהִפִּל פּוּר הוּא הַגּוֹרָל, לְהֻמָּם וּלְאַבְּדָם. 24 because Haman the son of Hammedatha, the Agagite, the enemy of all the Jews, had devised against the Jews to destroy them, and had cast pur, that is, the lot, to discomfit them, and to destroy them;
כה וּבְבֹאָהּ, לִפְנֵי הַמֶּלֶךְ, אָמַר עִם-הַסֵּפֶר, יָשׁוּב מַחֲשַׁבְתּוֹ הָרָעָה אֲשֶׁר-חָשַׁב עַל-הַיְּהוּדִים עַל-רֹאשׁוֹ; וְתָלוּ אֹתוֹ וְאֶת-בָּנָיו, עַל-הָעֵץ. 25 but when she came before the king, he commanded by letters that his wicked device, which he had devised against the Jews, should return upon his own head; and that he and his sons should be hanged on the gallows.
כז קִיְּמוּ וקבל (וְקִבְּלוּ) הַיְּהוּדִים עֲלֵיהֶם וְעַל-זַרְעָם וְעַל כָּל-הַנִּלְוִים עֲלֵיהֶם, וְלֹא יַעֲבוֹר--לִהְיוֹת עֹשִׂים אֵת שְׁנֵי הַיָּמִים הָאֵלֶּה, כִּכְתָבָם וְכִזְמַנָּם: בְּכָל-שָׁנָה, וְשָׁנָה. 27 the Jews ordained, and took upon them, and upon their seed, and upon all such as joined themselves unto them, so as it should not fail, that they would keep these two days according to the writing thereof, and according to the appointed time thereof, every year;
כח וְהַיָּמִים הָאֵלֶּה נִזְכָּרִים וְנַעֲשִׂים בְּכָל-דּוֹר וָדוֹר, מִשְׁפָּחָה וּמִשְׁפָּחָה, מְדִינָה וּמְדִינָה, וְעִיר וָעִיר; וִימֵי הַפּוּרִים הָאֵלֶּה, לֹא יַעַבְרוּ מִתּוֹךְ הַיְּהוּדִים, וְזִכְרָם, לֹא-יָסוּף מִזַּרְעָם. {ס} 28 and that these days should be remembered and kept throughout every generation, every family, every province, and every city; and that these days of Purim should not fail from among the Jews, nor the memorial of them perish from their seed. {S}
כט וַתִּכְתֹּב אֶסְתֵּר הַמַּלְכָּה בַת-אֲבִיחַיִל, וּמָרְדֳּכַי הַיְּהוּדִי--אֶת-כָּל-תֹּקֶף: לְקַיֵּם, אֵת אִגֶּרֶת הַפֻּרִים הַזֹּאת--הַשֵּׁנִית. 29 Then Esther the queen, the daughter of Abihail, and Mordecai the Jew, wrote down all the acts of power, to confirm this second letter of Purim.
לא לְקַיֵּם אֶת-יְמֵי הַפֻּרִים הָאֵלֶּה בִּזְמַנֵּיהֶם, כַּאֲשֶׁר קִיַּם עֲלֵיהֶם מָרְדֳּכַי הַיְּהוּדִי וְאֶסְתֵּר הַמַּלְכָּה, וְכַאֲשֶׁר קִיְּמוּ עַל-נַפְשָׁם, וְעַל-זַרְעָם: דִּבְרֵי הַצּוֹמוֹת, וְזַעֲקָתָם. 31 to confirm these days of Purim in their appointed times, according as Mordecai the Jew and Esther the queen had enjoined them, and as they had ordained for themselves and for their seed, the matters of the fastings and their cry.
Chapter 10
ג כִּי מָרְדֳּכַי הַיְּהוּדִי, מִשְׁנֶה לַמֶּלֶךְ אֲחַשְׁוֵרוֹשׁ, וְגָדוֹל לַיְּהוּדִים, וְרָצוּי לְרֹב אֶחָיו--דֹּרֵשׁ טוֹב לְעַמּוֹ, וְדֹבֵר שָׁלוֹם לְכָל-זַרְעוֹ. {ש} 3 For Mordecai the Jew was next unto king Ahasuerus, and great among the Jews, and accepted of the multitude of his brethren; seeking the good of his people and speaking peace to all his seed. {P}
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I just got an email from Barry Chamish stating that Goldstein didn't kill anyone and that it was all a setup...
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I counted 48 Jews, Dexter, in the Book of Esther alone.
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He sure killed a lot of Arabs for a one man operation. Theres more than one way to kill cockroaches, he used a Galil rifle to do the job as well, my favorite rifle.
When Dr. Baruch Goldstein massacred Arabs why did he expose himself to the Arabs? They ended up beating him to death because of that. He could have snipped them instead. Is it possible he was suicidal and if he were should he be praised? I don't think there is anything wrong with sacrificing your life for a cause but since Judaism forbids suicide should religious Jews view him as a hero?
his gun jammed because it was not cleaned properly and the Arabs turned on him
Nah it wasn't from jamming, galils don't jam, they are based off the AK47 and extremely reliable. My understanding is they subdued him when he was reloading.
At 05:00 on February 25, eight hundred PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi Muslims passed through the east gate of the cave to participate in Fajr, the first of the five daily Islamic prayers. [3] The cave was under Israeli Army guard, but of the nine soldiers supposed to have been on duty, four were late turning up and only one officer was there. [4]
Shortly afterwards Baruch Goldstein, a Jewish resident of the Kiryat Arba settlement and member of the extremist Kahanist movement, entered the Isaac Hall of the cave. He was dressed in his army uniform and carrying an IMI Galil assault rifle and four magazines of ammunition, which held 35 rounds each. He was not stopped by the guards, who assumed that he was an officer entering the tomb to pray in an adjacent chamber reserved for Jews. [5]
Standing in front of the only exit from the cave and positioned to the rear of the Muslim worshippers, he opened fire with the weapon, killing 29 people and injuring another 125. He was eventually overwhelmed by survivors, who beat him to death. [6] [7] [8] [9]
Reports after the massacre were inevitably highly confused. In particular, there was uncertainty about whether Goldstein had acted alone; it was reported that eyewitnesses had seen "another man, also dressed as a soldier, handing him ammunition." [10] There were also reports that he had thrown grenades into the worshippers. [11] The PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi leader Yasser Arafat claimed that the attack was the work of up to 12 men, including Israeli troops. However, a preliminary Israeli Army investigation, and the more thorough commission later set up, found that there had been no use of grenades and that Goldstein had acted alone without the assistance or connivance of the Israeli guards posted at the cave. [12]
"only one officer was there." - That would be my cozen Rich. He was the first one the seen and he's probably the only one who knows the real story from first hand experience. I don't remember the whole thing but I remember quite a bit of it and am planing to type up what i remember tomorrow. I am trying to get him to write up the whole ordeal and send it to the press. When he was interviewed after the whole thing happened the army told him to keep his mouth shut so he had to, but now that it is way over and they really cant do anything to him now I'm trying to get him to, he just needs to find the time.
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When Kahanists come to power, a movie should be made honoring Dr. Goldstein. Baruch Goldstein's name should always be mentioned with reverence. A true freedom fighter and hero.
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I counted 48 Jews, Dexter, in the Book of Esther alone.
It isn't part of the Bible (Torah), we are talking about the time befor the exile.
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Even though some members may differentiate who is Jewish and who isn't, lets not forget Hitler didn't differentiate who was Jewish and who wasn't. He killed anyone with one Jewish parent or a Jewish grandparent. The Neo Nazis today also assume anyone to be of Jewish descent regardless of their religion or if we consider them Jewish to be a Jew and therefore many "half-Jews" face as much anti-semitism as we do today.
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Even though some members may differentiate who is Jewish and who isn't, lets not forget Hitler didn't differentiate who was Jewish and who wasn't. He killed anyone with one Jewish parent or a Jewish grandparent. The Neo Nazis today also assume anyone to be of Jewish descent regardless of their religion or if we consider them Jewish to be a Jew and therefore many "half-Jews" face as much anti-semitism as we do today.
Hitler doesn't decide Halacha, G-d and the Hachamim decide what is accepted and not.
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Also we are not a people defined by our persecution, but the Torah and its laws.
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Maybe Hitler would be addmitted to Israel,although many people with a Jewish father in the U.S. would'nt be the same as such a person from the former soviet union
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This is actually the core of the problem in the Jewish world today. We are left to decide of where our identity comes from. It will come in one of 2 ways, either "walking in G-d's statutes and keeping his laws" or by persecution by the gentiles and them not letting us assimilate and become them.
Unfortunatly many have forgotten G-d's laws and so G-d because of his mercy has sent us the persecuters to try to wake us up.
We can have one of 2 ways, by not choosing the first, we are made to face the second, and thats why and where a lot of the self hatred comes from. Thats basically the leaders of the state of Israel, and the reason why many belive to have Israel for, not a proud strong nation sanctifying G-d's name, but a scared people who have ran away from Europe to get away from the persecutions, soo now the persecutiuons have stopped (supposidly), (in their minds)- what do we need Israel for? Why not slowly shift back to Europe, or to America?
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Maybe Hitler would be addmitted to Israel,although many people with a Jewish father in the U.S. would'nt be the same as such a person from the former soviet union
You believe that nonsense that Hitler had Jewish blood?
Well i'm not sure about Hitler but i know they had Fieldmarshalls and generals who had one Jewish parent i read a book by a historian 'Hitlers Jewish Soldiers'
http://www.bryanrigg.com/hitlers_jewish_soldiers.htm
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http://www.bryanrigg.com/hitlers_jewish_soldiers.htm
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I wouldn't be suprised, let this be a lesson for those who marry (or have any relations) to a non-Jew, its precisly this type of behavior that produces Hitler and becuase of one act the whole nation is affected and the whole world actually.
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Well Hitler also killed fags and many Nazis including him were fags themselves.
link to this site
Hitler's Jewish Soldiers
by Bryan Mark Rigg, PhD.
07/01/05
Bryan's book, Hitler’s Jewish Soldiers: The Untold Story of Nazi Racial Laws and Men of Jewish Descent in the German Military won the prestigious Colby Award from the William E. Colby Military Writers Symposium.
Dr. Rigg's work has been featured in the New York Times and on programs including NBC Dateline and Fox News. Rigg has served as a volunteer in the Israeli Army and as an officer in the U.S. Marine Corps. He currently lives in Dallas, Texas.
Read independent reviews and
purchase this book at Amazon.com (opens a new window - search Bryan Rigg).
On the murderous road to "racial purity" Hitler encountered unexpected detours, largely due to his own crazed views and inconsistent policies regarding Jewish identity. After centuries of Jewish assimilation and intermarriage in German society, he discovered that eliminating Jews from the rest of the population was more difficult than he'd anticipated. As Bryan Mark Rigg shows in this provocative new study, nowhere was that heinous process more fraught with contradiction and confusion than in the German military.
Contrary to conventional views, Rigg reveals that a startlingly large number of German military men were classified by the Nazis as Jews or "partial-Jews" (Mischlinge), in the wake of racial laws first enacted in the mid-1930s. Rigg demonstrates that the actual number was much higher than previously thought--perhaps as many as 150,000 men, including decorated veterans and high-ranking officers, even generals and admirals.
As Rigg fully documents for the first time, a great many of these men did not even consider themselves Jewish and had embraced the military as a way of life and as devoted patriots eager to serve a revived German nation. In turn, they had been embraced by the Wehrmacht, which prior to Hitler had given little thought to the "race" of these men but which was now forced to look deeply into the ancestry of its soldiers.
The process of investigation and removal, however, was marred by a highly inconsistent application of Nazi law. Numerous "exemptions" were made in order to allow a soldier to stay within the ranks or to spare a soldier's parent, spouse, or other relative from incarceration or far worse. (Hitler's own signature can be found on many of these "exemption" orders.) But as the war dragged on, Nazi politics came to trump military logic, even in the face of the Wehrmacht's growing manpower needs, closing legal loopholes and making it virtually impossible for these soldiers to escape the fate of millions of other victims of the Third Reich.
Based on a deep and wide-ranging research in archival and secondary sources, as well as extensive interviews with more than four hundred Mischlinge and their relatives, Rigg's study breaks truly new ground in a crowded field and shows from yet another angle the extremely flawed, dishonest, demeaning, and tragic essence of Hitler's rule.
Click here to see pictures from this book.
http://www.bryanrigg.com/hitlers_jewish_soldiers.htm
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(I didnt read your post), but I think that its all BS about Hitler having Jewish soldiers ::)
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It's well documented the writer found he himself was Jewish was U.S. marine and served in TZ'HAL
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It's well documented the writer found he himself was Jewish was U.S. marine and served in TZ'HAL
Was he Jewish through the female line?
Maybe on both sides he family was lived in Texas since the beginning so he might be a complete Jew [the author]
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Even though some members may differentiate who is Jewish and who isn't, lets not forget Hitler didn't differentiate who was Jewish and who wasn't. He killed anyone with one Jewish parent or a Jewish grandparent. The Neo Nazis today also assume anyone to be of Jewish descent regardless of their religion or if we consider them Jewish to be a Jew and therefore many "half-Jews" face as much anti-semitism as we do today.
So we are going to let Hitler dictate who is a Jew? That's why Israel let all of these Non-Jews in from Russia, many of them Nazis themselves. So Hitler is still causing problems for Jews today. Yimach Shemo!
In case you didn't know, that's exectly the situation here. The Law Of Return is based on Hitler's definions, that is why so many non-Jews got in here.
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Even though some members may differentiate who is Jewish and who isn't, lets not forget Hitler didn't differentiate who was Jewish and who wasn't. He killed anyone with one Jewish parent or a Jewish grandparent. The Neo Nazis today also assume anyone to be of Jewish descent regardless of their religion or if we consider them Jewish to be a Jew and therefore many "half-Jews" face as much anti-semitism as we do today.
So we are going to let Hitler dictate who is a Jew? That's why Israel let all of these Non-Jews in from Russia, many of them Nazis themselves. So Hitler is still causing problems for Jews today. Yimach Shemo!
In case you didn't know, that's exectly the situation here. The Law Of Return is based on Hitler's definions, that is why so many non-Jews got in here.
In the event of anti-semitism or another situation like the holocaust, what are half Jews or those with a Jewish father, non Jewish mother supposed to do?
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He also wrote a Book howthe mislinge officers saved the the Lubavitcher Rebbes father in law who also was the lubavitcher Rebbe
rescued from the reich http://www.alibris.com/search/books/qwork/9179586/used/Rescued%20from%20the%20Reich:%20How%20One%20of%20Hitler's%20Soldiers%20Saved%20the%20Lubavitcher%20Rebbe
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Back to the topic.....
Not only should arab-nazis be killed, but leftists and traiors should be killed by righteous Jews too. Just as the Maccabees did.
A pity another hero like Goldstein (ZT'L) doesn't execute some leftist newspaper editers or teachers.
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Thats true the evilleftis are an auto immune disease of a country or a rabid rat let lose in a country
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Thats true the evilleftis are an auto immune disease of a country or a rabid rat let lose in a country
iSSlam is just a common cold. A mild annoyance under normal circumstances. Leftists are the AIDS that inhibit the Jewish nation's ability to attack the disease.
The maccabees knew that they could not destroy the external enemy (the Greeks) until they destroyed the evil self-haters in their midst first.
Israel should remember that aspect of Channuka, not just the lamps.
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Yes the reform Jewish fools don'nt even realize what wold happen to them under the macabees
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Just imagine in a few years when the religious are a majority and they kill their first leftist and say...."Whoever is for G_D, follow me". :)
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they kill their first leftist and say...."Whoever is for G_D, follow me". :)
Imagine? Remember Rabin?
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they kill their first leftist and say...."Whoever is for G_D, follow me". :)
Imagine? Remember Rabin?
Unfortunately nobody followed.
Why risk their nice homes, cars and shopping & entertainment to save the Holy Land when this magical land-for-peace snake oil looked so promising?
Perhaps when regular Israelis nice homes, new motor cars and shopping malls are threatened, they'll finally act and 'follow' the righteous Jews.
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Just imagine in a few years when the religious are a majority and they kill their first leftist and say...."Whoever is for G_D, follow me". :)
In addition, after the Golden Calf, Moshe once again declared "Who ever is for G-d, come to me" and the Leviites came to him and they slew thousands of the Jews who had worshipped the Golden Calf
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Just imagine in a few years when the religious are a majority and they kill their first leftist and say...."Whoever is for G_D, follow me". :)
In addition, after the Golden Calf, Moshe once again declared "Who ever is for G-d, come to me" and the Leviites came to him and they slew thousands of the Jews who had worshipped the Golden Calf
G_D made the ground open and swallow up many of those kykes, too.
I wish he'd do that at a 'surrender now' rally. :)