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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: MasterWolf1 on December 10, 2007, 11:48:54 PM
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http://news.aol.com/story/_a/midwest-braces-for-more-icy-weather/20071209211009990001
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http://news.aol.com/story/_a/midwest-braces-for-more-icy-weather/20071209211009990001
well the fanatic one-worldists claim that global warming is also a climate with more ups and downs, a less
gradually , smooth evolving weather pattern.
I honestly believe that Global warming is an ideology to scare the people, in order to easier rule over them,
a tactic to make oil more expensive, in order to make more profits.
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You guys!!! We have to combat Global COOLING!!!!! Let's all do our part to increase our carbon footbprint. I'm trading in my hybrid for a gas guzzler.
BTW, its frickin freezin here in Cali.
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I'm sorry, but to me the theory of global warming makes perfect sense, and is quite alarming, I also believe that none of the current politicians are doing what is necessary to combat it, in fact, I don't think I know of a single politician who has suggested the type of program that I think is required to fight global warming. (a program that among other things should get us completely off of oil as a first step, yes, coincidentally that would be very useful in our combat with Islam)
Note, the theory of Global warming predicts hotter summers and colder winters, which s what we've been having recently, it makes perfect sense.
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I'm sorry, but to me the theory of global warming makes perfect sense, and is quite alarming, I also believe that none of the current politicians are doing what is necessary to combat it, in fact, I don't think I know of a single politician who has suggested the type of program that I think is required to fight global warming. (a program that among other things should get us completely off of oil as a first step, yes, coincidentally that would be very useful in our combat with Islam)
Note, the theory of Global warming predicts hotter summers and colder winters, which s what we've been having recently, it makes perfect sense.
NOt here in NY...It wasn't hot enough this summer..and the last winter had up and down temps with the usually freeze the same time of year each year for the last 10-20 years. So I personally notice nothing new under the sun..
However, I'm down with clean air and recycling and reducing smog and driving more fuel efficient cars with clean emmisions and using garbage properly etc etc etc...since having a clean environment and not wasting is a righteous deed.
and hey, if hydrogen is cleaner than oil, then all the power to us to be the muzzies out of commission...
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I'm sorry, but to me the theory of global warming makes perfect sense, and is quite alarming, I also believe that none of the current politicians are doing what is necessary to combat it, in fact, I don't think I know of a single politician who has suggested the type of program that I think is required to fight global warming. (a program that among other things should get us completely off of oil as a first step, yes, coincidentally that would be very useful in our combat with Islam)
Note, the theory of Global warming predicts hotter summers and colder winters, which s what we've been having recently, it makes perfect sense.
NOt here in NY...It wasn't hot enough this summer..and the last winter had up and down temps with the usually freeze the same time of year each year for the last 10-20 years. So I personally notice nothing new under the sun..
However, I'm down with clean air and recycling and reducing smog and driving more fuel efficient cars with clean emmisions and using garbage properly etc etc etc...since having a clean environment and not wasting is a righteous deed.
and hey, if hydrogen is cleaner than oil, then all the power to us to be the muzzies out of commission...
Well, in the UK, we've been having hotter summers and colder winters...
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I'm sorry, but to me the theory of global warming makes perfect sense, and is quite alarming, I also believe that none of the current politicians are doing what is necessary to combat it, in fact, I don't think I know of a single politician who has suggested the type of program that I think is required to fight global warming. (a program that among other things should get us completely off of oil as a first step, yes, coincidentally that would be very useful in our combat with Islam)
Note, the theory of Global warming predicts hotter summers and colder winters, which s what we've been having recently, it makes perfect sense.
NOt here in NY...It wasn't hot enough this summer..and the last winter had up and down temps with the usually freeze the same time of year each year for the last 10-20 years. So I personally notice nothing new under the sun..
However, I'm down with clean air and recycling and reducing smog and driving more fuel efficient cars with clean emmisions and using garbage properly etc etc etc...since having a clean environment and not wasting is a righteous deed.
and hey, if hydrogen is cleaner than oil, then all the power to us to be the muzzies out of commission...
Well, in the UK, we've been having hotter summers and colder winters...
Earlier this year there was a drought because of summer 2006, hose pipes were banned. Then came the rain and the Thames nearly flooded and this year became the wettest summer.
Actually I think we've been having warmer winters but the seasons are not as clearly identifiable as they were before.
The poor plants, they flower in winter and then freeze their buds off. :D
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I'm sorry, but to me the theory of global warming makes perfect sense, and is quite alarming, I also believe that none of the current politicians are doing what is necessary to combat it, in fact, I don't think I know of a single politician who has suggested the type of program that I think is required to fight global warming. (a program that among other things should get us completely off of oil as a first step, yes, coincidentally that would be very useful in our combat with Islam)
Note, the theory of Global warming predicts hotter summers and colder winters, which s what we've been having recently, it makes perfect sense.
NOt here in NY...It wasn't hot enough this summer..and the last winter had up and down temps with the usually freeze the same time of year each year for the last 10-20 years. So I personally notice nothing new under the sun..
However, I'm down with clean air and recycling and reducing smog and driving more fuel efficient cars with clean emmisions and using garbage properly etc etc etc...since having a clean environment and not wasting is a righteous deed.
and hey, if hydrogen is cleaner than oil, then all the power to us to be the muzzies out of commission...
Well, in the UK, we've been having hotter summers and colder winters...
Earlier this year there was a drought because of summer 2006, hose pipes were banned. Then came the rain and the Thames nearly flooded and this year became the wettest summer.
Actually I think we've been having warmer winters but the seasons are not as clearly identifiable as they were before.
The poor plants, they flower in winter and then freeze their buds off. :D
Whether the exact theory is correct or not, it's clear that the climate is messing up, and the only observable cause is pollution.
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if hydrogen is cleaner than oil, then all the power to us to be the muzzies out of commission...
The unfortunate thing is the manufacture of hydrogen on a large industrial scale involves electricity. This will still need to be sourced from somewhere.
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I'm sorry, but to me the theory of global warming makes perfect sense, and is quite alarming, I also believe that none of the current politicians are doing what is necessary to combat it, in fact, I don't think I know of a single politician who has suggested the type of program that I think is required to fight global warming. (a program that among other things should get us completely off of oil as a first step, yes, coincidentally that would be very useful in our combat with Islam)
Note, the theory of Global warming predicts hotter summers and colder winters, which s what we've been having recently, it makes perfect sense.
NOt here in NY...It wasn't hot enough this summer..and the last winter had up and down temps with the usually freeze the same time of year each year for the last 10-20 years. So I personally notice nothing new under the sun..
However, I'm down with clean air and recycling and reducing smog and driving more fuel efficient cars with clean emmisions and using garbage properly etc etc etc...since having a clean environment and not wasting is a righteous deed.
and hey, if hydrogen is cleaner than oil, then all the power to us to be the muzzies out of commission...
Well, in the UK, we've been having hotter summers and colder winters...
Earlier this year there was a drought because of summer 2006, hose pipes were banned. Then came the rain and the Thames nearly flooded and this year became the wettest summer.
Actually I think we've been having warmer winters but the seasons are not as clearly identifiable as they were before.
The poor plants, they flower in winter and then freeze their buds off. :D
Whether the exact theory is correct or not, it's clear that the climate is messing up, and the only observable cause is pollution.
Maybe I can add a few more possibilities:
1. Maybe the earth is revolving around the sun slower or faster than 365 days and throwing off our seasons
2. Maybe the earth is revolving an inkling closer to the sun in the summer time and an inkling further away from teh sun in the winter time.
3. Maybe when the earth changes its angle on the y-axis it is changing slightly more each season...
but the point is not whether pollution causes this or not...the point is, the right way is to not be wasteful and to take care of our environment...just like making our beds in the morning and vacuuming and dusting our homes each week so that we don't get sick with allergies.
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if hydrogen is cleaner than oil, then all the power to us to be the muzzies out of commission...
The unfortunate thing is the manufacture of hydrogen on a large industrial scale involves electricity. This will still need to be sourced from somewhere.
This is quite an issue, one good idea, would be to collect it from the air... You realise, that according to scientists over 99% of the known galaxy is hydrogen, there has to be some of it around...
Also, if someone can come up with a usable version of fusion power for producing electricity, I think I'm right in saying that a volume of hydrogen equal in size to a pencil could power New York for a month, or something like that, just think....
Unfortunately, all attempts at harnessing fusion power to date have resulted in less output than input, or, a very large crater...
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There were some scientists recently who said they were able to do cold fusion, but after they attracted mass media, they're experiments proved unsuccessful.
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Global warming is a scam, it's a money stealing grift that would make any gypsy proud. The left wing extremists are as we speak getting ready to collect from the suckers (that'd be all of us) by creating a international Carbon Tax on energy. Nice huh? They think you are stupid. Well they might have good cause, a lot of people out there are.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1e3_1179096403
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I heard on a currant affairs show that there are litterally $$TRILLIONS to be made in carbon cleaning/disposal associated with the Kyoto agreement.
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I heard on a currant affairs show that there are litterally $$TRILLIONS to be made in carbon cleaning/disposal associated with the Kyoto agreement.
Just follow the money, and at the end of the trail you'll find a rat.
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The 'Theory' of global warming is easy to disprove. IE, measurements of temperatures of similar heavenly bodies in our solar system have shown a similar trend in change, at least for the long term.
HOWEVER, I think its great that we get off foreign oil, and look into alternate fules. The two arent mutually exsclusive. We CAN be skeptical of warming propogandists and yes STILL want to get off foreign oil, and make our environment better.
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The 'Theory' of global warming is easy to disprove. IE, measurements of temperatures of similar heavenly bodies in our solar system have shown a similar trend in change, at least for the long term.
HOWEVER, I think its great that we get off foreign oil, and look into alternate fules. The two arent mutually exsclusive. We CAN be skeptical of warming propogandists and yes STILL want to get off foreign oil, and make our environment better.
Oh yeah, that's a given, we should make oil obsolete. Put our farmers to work growing crops to make abundant cheap ethanol alcohol, and be totally energy independent.
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An interesting trend is that Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is not a very strong greenhouse gas. Methane (CH4) is around 15-20 times stronged than CO2. So we can say that all this rubbish from politicians about greenhouse gases should be ignored.
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An interesting trend is that Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is not a very strong greenhouse gas. Methane (CH4) is around 15-20 times stronged than CO2. So we can say that all this rubbish from politicians about greenhouse gases should be ignored.
Well, most of the politicians don't really know what they are talking about when it comes to greenhouse gases. F.e, Gore sounded like he was trying to come off as a "Scientist" when he did his BS film. ;D
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An interesting trend is that Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is not a very strong greenhouse gas. Methane (CH4) is around 15-20 times stronged than CO2. So we can say that all this rubbish from politicians about greenhouse gases should be ignored.
It doesn't matter if it's a weak greenhouse gas, the quantities we emit it in is frightening.
And, even if it isn't a problem, our dependence on i=oil is, and the fact that we're running out of resources is.
Did you know that there is more copper in use in New York than left in the ground (that we know of anyway).
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An interesting trend is that Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is not a very strong greenhouse gas. Methane (CH4) is around 15-20 times stronged than CO2. So we can say that all this rubbish from politicians about greenhouse gases should be ignored.
Yeah and cows produce several tonnes of methane in a couple of days or something, from burping and you know. ;D
The cows are making the situation worse not us. ::)
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An interesting trend is that Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is not a very strong greenhouse gas. Methane (CH4) is around 15-20 times stronged than CO2. So we can say that all this rubbish from politicians about greenhouse gases should be ignored.
Yeah and cows produce several tonnes of methane in a couple of days or something, from burping and you know. ;D
The cows are making the situation worse not us. ::)
Methane is a proven, viable fuel but our governments' corporate and OPEC masters will not allow it's advancement.
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An interesting trend is that Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is not a very strong greenhouse gas. Methane (CH4) is around 15-20 times stronged than CO2. So we can say that all this rubbish from politicians about greenhouse gases should be ignored.
Yeah and cows produce several tonnes of methane in a couple of days or something, from burping and you know. ;D
The cows are making the situation worse not us. ::)
Methane is a proven, viable fuel but our governments' corporate and OPEC masters will not allow it's advancement.
Burning methane would do GOOD for the environment, making it 1/15th the strength of what it was originally.
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An interesting trend is that Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is not a very strong greenhouse gas. Methane (CH4) is around 15-20 times stronged than CO2. So we can say that all this rubbish from politicians about greenhouse gases should be ignored.
Yeah and cows produce several tonnes of methane in a couple of days or something, from burping and you know. ;D
The cows are making the situation worse not us. ::)
Methane is a proven, viable fuel but our governments' corporate and OPEC masters will not allow it's advancement.
Burning methane would do GOOD for the environment, making it 1/15th the strength of what it was originally.
Cows, pigs and humans poop just as plant life decomposes and release methane. Burning that methane is DEFINITELY CO2 neutral.
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An interesting trend is that Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is not a very strong greenhouse gas. Methane (CH4) is around 15-20 times stronged than CO2. So we can say that all this rubbish from politicians about greenhouse gases should be ignored.
Yeah and cows produce several tonnes of methane in a couple of days or something, from burping and you know. ;D
The cows are making the situation worse not us. ::)
Methane is a proven, viable fuel but our governments' corporate and OPEC masters will not allow it's advancement.
Burning methane would do GOOD for the environment, making it 1/15th the strength of what it was originally.
Cows, pigs and humans poop just as plant life decomposes and release methane. Burning that methane is DEFINITELY CO2 neutral.
It's a very good idea, but it's not CO2 neutral, it produces CO2, just the methane that's used up doing it is worse for the environment than the CO2 it produces.
One answer to CO2 would be to plant lots more trees... As trees consume it at a high rate.
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That is not a quick resolution, and with deforestation being so bad I don't think it is acheivable.
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CO2 from methane would be relesed anyway. CO2 from coal or oil would never be released unless burned. Methane is definitely better than fossil fuels in that reguard.
BTW,
Palm oil is the richest source of bio-diesel. It's by product is a plant pulp that lterally reeks of methane. Purfect opportunity to produce bio diesel for heavy equipment, methane for power stations and light vehicles with the Palm oil plants consuming the resultant CO2.
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Methane doesn't release CO2 unless it is burned, the methane itself in it's natural state is however worse for the environment if it is released to float around than the CO2 it becomes when it is burned.
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Methane doesn't release CO2 unless it is burned, the methane itself in it's natural state is however worse for the environment if it is released to float around than the CO2 it becomes when it is burned.
They are both greenhouse gasses. The point is we have to avoid excesses of greenhouse gasses not eliminate them altogether. For that reason, animal and plant based CO2 or methane is 100 times better than fossil based CO2. Especially since the next plant crop will suck up the CO2 that the previous lot released when it's product was burned.
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Methane doesn't release CO2 unless it is burned, the methane itself in it's natural state is however worse for the environment if it is released to float around than the CO2 it becomes when it is burned.
They are both greenhouse gasses. The point is we have to avoid excesses of greenhouse gasses not eliminate them altogether. For that reason, animal and plant based CO2 or methane is 100 times better than fossil based CO2. Especially since the next plant crop will suck up the CO2 that the previous lot released when it's product was burned.
True, I wasn't disagreeing with your idea, I was just saying that you'd got the wording wrong, you seemed to be saying that CH4 (methane) somehow is CO2... The idea is a good one, it's something I'd push for if I I were in government, unfortunately, I'm not.
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Methane doesn't release CO2 unless it is burned, the methane itself in it's natural state is however worse for the environment if it is released to float around than the CO2 it becomes when it is burned.
They are both greenhouse gasses. The point is we have to avoid excesses of greenhouse gasses not eliminate them altogether. For that reason, animal and plant based CO2 or methane is 100 times better than fossil based CO2. Especially since the next plant crop will suck up the CO2 that the previous lot released when it's product was burned.
True, I wasn't disagreeing with your idea, I was just saying that you'd got the wording wrong, you seemed to be saying that CH4 (methane) somehow is CO2... The idea is a good one, it's something I'd push for if I I were in government, unfortunately, I'm not.
I just love the idea of palm oil plantations sucking up CO2, being used to make both biodiesel AND methane(CH4) that release non-fossil CO2 that is then sucked up by next years crop. Plus the arabs going insane at the lost oil sales!
Here's another idea:
Piggeries producing pork, leather and pig poop (another rich source of methane) and other pig products to put in munitions and public transit systems to deter muSSlim terrorists. The pigs will also be fed on by-products like cotton trash as well as other grains that also suck up CO2 when grown.
Add wind power from our huge coastlines, Solar from our deserts, geo-thermal, bio-mass etc and from a technological POV we are definitely on the brink of energy independence AND cleaner energy. It just takes leadership.
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Methane doesn't release CO2 unless it is burned, the methane itself in it's natural state is however worse for the environment if it is released to float around than the CO2 it becomes when it is burned.
They are both greenhouse gasses. The point is we have to avoid excesses of greenhouse gasses not eliminate them altogether. For that reason, animal and plant based CO2 or methane is 100 times better than fossil based CO2. Especially since the next plant crop will suck up the CO2 that the previous lot released when it's product was burned.
True, I wasn't disagreeing with your idea, I was just saying that you'd got the wording wrong, you seemed to be saying that CH4 (methane) somehow is CO2... The idea is a good one, it's something I'd push for if I I were in government, unfortunately, I'm not.
I just love the idea of palm oil plantations sucking up CO2, being used to make both biodiesel AND methane(CH4) that release non-fossil CO2 that is then sucked up by next years crop. Plus the arabs going insane at the lost oil sales!
Here's another idea:
Piggeries producing pork, leather and pig poop (another rich source of methane) and other pig products to put in munitions and public transit systems to deter muSSlim terrorists. The pigs will also be fed on by-products like cotton trash as well as other grains that also suck up CO2 when grown.
Add wind power from our huge coastlines, Solar from our deserts, geo-thermal, bio-mass etc and from a technological POV we are definitely on the brink of energy independence AND cleaner energy. It just takes leadership.
Great Ideas.
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Brilliant ideas Newman, I can safely say that if I were the head of a government, of any country, I'd be very happy to put you in charge of all energy issues.
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Brilliant ideas Newman, I can safely say that if I were the head of a government, of any country, I'd be very happy to put you in charge of all energy issues.
Thankyou.
But it begs the question: If a guy like me with a 10th grade education can discern this from news and documentaries why are our countries' university educated leaders (with access to the finest minds and learning centres in their lands) dragging the chain?
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Brilliant ideas Newman, I can safely say that if I were the head of a government, of any country, I'd be very happy to put you in charge of all energy issues.
Thankyou.
But it begs the question: If a guy like me with a 10th grade education can discern this from news and documentaries why are our countries' university educated leaders (with access to the finest minds and learning centres in their lands) dragging the chain?
They want to make a mountain out of a mole hill.
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Brilliant ideas Newman, I can safely say that if I were the head of a government, of any country, I'd be very happy to put you in charge of all energy issues.
Thankyou.
But it begs the question: If a guy like me with a 10th grade education can discern this from news and documentaries why are our countries' university educated leaders (with access to the finest minds and learning centres in their lands) dragging the chain?
Cost, and a fear of changing a system that's run for 50 years.
There are also a few worries about how mush space such facilities would take up.
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Brilliant ideas Newman, I can safely say that if I were the head of a government, of any country, I'd be very happy to put you in charge of all energy issues.
Thankyou.
But it begs the question: If a guy like me with a 10th grade education can discern this from news and documentaries why are our countries' university educated leaders (with access to the finest minds and learning centres in their lands) dragging the chain?
Cost, and a fear of changing a system that's run for 50 years.
There are also a few worries about how mush space such facilities would take up.
Obviously there are places for certain things. The Americas, Australia and africa can grow HUGE amounts of oilseed and palm oil, export it to europe as europe exports technology. This is a good cure for the trade/ wealth imballance Bob Geldorf & Co are always crying about. Europe is not suitable for vast plantations but piggeries take up little room. They can even be multi-story! As for the smell..............put them in muSSlim neighbourhoods and NOBODY will notice. :D
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Global whinning
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Global whinning
lol, I like that word. ;D O0
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The sky is falling!
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Yes, there is such a thing as global warming. HOWEVER, it's not so much a result of human activity:
Scientists have found that Mars' temperatures have risen. And just like Mars, Earth's temp has also, so it's a milky way thing...unless ofcourse there are aliens on mars polluting it :::D
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Brilliant ideas Newman, I can safely say that if I were the head of a government, of any country, I'd be very happy to put you in charge of all energy issues.
Thankyou.
But it begs the question: If a guy like me with a 10th grade education can discern this from news and documentaries why are our countries' university educated leaders (with access to the finest minds and learning centres in their lands) dragging the chain?
Cost, and a fear of changing a system that's run for 50 years.
There are also a few worries about how mush space such facilities would take up.
Obviously there are places for certain things. The Americas, Australia and africa can grow HUGE amounts of oilseed and palm oil, export it to europe as europe exports technology. This is a good cure for the trade/ wealth imballance Bob Geldorf & Co are always crying about. Europe is not suitable for vast plantations but piggeries take up little room. They can even be multi-story! As for the smell..............put them in muSSlim neighbourhoods and NOBODY will notice. :D
We have a deal Newman.
8;)
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http://news.aol.com/story/_a/midwest-braces-for-more-icy-weather/20071209211009990001
well the fanatic one-worldists claim that global warming is also a climate with more ups and downs, a less
gradually , smooth evolving weather pattern.
I honestly believe that Global warming is an ideology to scare the people, in order to easier rule over them,
a tactic to make oil more expensive, in order to make more profits.
I agree with that. In the 70s they were warning about a new ice due to human activity, it's scaremongering to get people to agree to more government controls.
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An interesting trend is that Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is not a very strong greenhouse gas. Methane (CH4) is around 15-20 times stronged than CO2. So we can say that all this rubbish from politicians about greenhouse gases should be ignored.
Yeah and cows produce several tonnes of methane in a couple of days or something, from burping and you know. ;D
The cows are making the situation worse not us. ::)
Methane is a proven, viable fuel but our governments' corporate and OPEC masters will not allow it's advancement.
Burning methane would do GOOD for the environment, making it 1/15th the strength of what it was originally.
Cows, pigs and humans poop just as plant life decomposes and release methane. Burning that methane is DEFINITELY CO2 neutral.
yes, and the solution:
Cleanse all of central africa's population, as well as a big part of china and all ofthe middle east O0
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An interesting trend is that Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is not a very strong greenhouse gas. Methane (CH4) is around 15-20 times stronged than CO2. So we can say that all this rubbish from politicians about greenhouse gases should be ignored.
Yeah and cows produce several tonnes of methane in a couple of days or something, from burping and you know. ;D
The cows are making the situation worse not us. ::)
Methane is a proven, viable fuel but our governments' corporate and OPEC masters will not allow it's advancement.
Burning methane would do GOOD for the environment, making it 1/15th the strength of what it was originally.
Cows, pigs and humans poop just as plant life decomposes and release methane. Burning that methane is DEFINITELY CO2 neutral.
yes, and the solution:
Cleanse all of central africa's population, as well as a big part of china and all ofthe middle east O0
Yes, Boer good idea O0