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Title: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: MarZutra on January 31, 2008, 10:28:32 AM

http://www.thespec.com/News/CanadaWorld/article/317579

Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
January 31, 2008
Steve Connor
The Independent
(Jan 31, 2008)

Everyone with blue eyes alive today --from Angelina Jolie to Mats Sundin --can trace their ancestry back to one person who probably lived about 10,000 years ago in the Black Sea region, research has found.
Scientists studying the genetics of eye colour have discovered that more than 99.5 per cent of blue-eyed people who volunteered to have their DNA analyzed have the same tiny mutation in the gene that determines the colour of the iris.
Hans Eiberg and colleagues at the University of Copenhagen are not sure when the mutation occurred, but other evidence suggested it probably arose about 10,000 years ago when there was a rapid expansion of the human population in Europe as a result of the spread of agriculture from the Middle East.
"The mutations responsible for blue eye colour most likely originate from the northwest part of the Black Sea region, where the great agricultural migration of the northern part of Europe took place in the Neolithic periods about 6,000 to 10,000 years ago," the researchers report in the journal Human Genetics.
Eiberg said that brown is the "default" colour for human eyes which results from a buildup of the dark skin pigment, melanin. However, in northern Europe a mutation arose in a gene known as OCA2 that disrupted melanin production in the iris and caused it to become blue.
Variations in the colour of people's eyes can be explained by the amount of melanin in the iris, but blue-eyed individuals only have a small degree of variation in the amount of melanin in their eyes, Eiberg said.
"From this we can conclude that all blue-eyed individuals are linked to the same ancestor. They have all inherited the same switch at exactly the same spot in their DNA."
Men and women with blue eyes have almost exactly the same genetic sequence in the part of the DNA responsible for eye colour. However, brown-eyed people, by contrast, have a considerable amount of individual variation in that area of DNA.
Eiberg has analyzed the DNA of about 800 people with blue eyes, ranging from fair-skinned, blond-haired Scandinavians to dark-skinned, blue-eyed people living in Turkey and Jordan.
"All of them, apart from possibly one exception, had exactly the same DNA sequence in the region of the OCA2 gene. This to me indicates very strongly that there must have been a single, common ancestor of all these people."
It is not known why blue eyes spread among the population of northern Europe and southern Russia.
Explanations include the suggestions that the blue eye colour either offered some advantage in the long hours of daylight in the summer, or short hours of daylight in winter, or that the trait was deemed attractive and therefore advantageous in terms of sexual selection.

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: mord on January 31, 2008, 10:33:20 AM

So blueeyed Jews originated in Europe? :o ???

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: MarZutra on January 31, 2008, 10:35:38 AM

No, probably the product of rape during their years of exile within the Gentile anti-Jew nations...  That's what I'd say, especially during the Crusades, different pogroms and, of course, the enlightened "Jew"s desire to intermarry....  But then again, I don't know...lol

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: mord on January 31, 2008, 10:40:33 AM

Quote from: MarZutra on January 31, 2008, 10:35:38 AM

No, probably the product of rape during their years of exile within the Gentile anti-Jew nations...  That's what I'd say, especially during the Crusades, different pogroms and, of course, the enlightened "Jew"s desire to intermarry....  But then again, I don't know...lol

Well since it's 10,000 yrs ago maybe some of these people went south

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: MarZutra on January 31, 2008, 10:42:02 AM

Oh, forgot to mention that I love your little picture.  Very good and fitting towards todays realities... O0

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: mord on January 31, 2008, 10:44:58 AM

Quote from: MarZutra on January 31, 2008, 10:42:02 AM

Oh, forgot to mention that I love your little picture.  Very good and fitting towards todays realities... O0

:::D :::DAnother thing some DNA tests have said Jews are closely related to Kurds who aren'nt semitic

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: MarZutra on January 31, 2008, 10:59:50 AM

Wow, I didn't know that.  Learn something new every day...

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: Dexter on January 31, 2008, 11:06:54 AM

Quote from: mord on January 31, 2008, 10:33:20 AM

So blueeyed Jews originated in Europe? :o ???

No. The Black sea area is the area of the Caucasians and the origin of the Caucasian race. Semites are not a race but a group of people that speaks Semite languages. All Semite and Hemite people are a part of the Caucasian race. Caucasians got into Europe in the 3 tousened B.C.E. by a huge "People migration/wandering".

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: Ambiorix on January 31, 2008, 11:08:24 AM

with the current immigration of somalis and irakis in Scandinavian countries, in 200 years blue eyes will be gone...

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: MarZutra on January 31, 2008, 11:10:35 AM

Quote from: Dexter on January 31, 2008, 11:06:54 AM

Quote from: mord on January 31, 2008, 10:33:20 AM

So blueeyed Jews originated in Europe? :o ???

No. The Black sea area is the area of the Caucasians and the origin of the Caucasian race. Semites are not a race but a group of people that speaks Semite languages. All Semite and Hemite people are a part of the Caucasian race. Caucasians got into Europe in the 3 tousened B.C.E. by a huge "People migration/wandering".

Actually Dexter that isn't quite accurate.  Secular "race" and Biblical "race" are very different.  Semetic does refer to a language but the race, as per the Biblical identification is actually Shechemitic: Shechem and differs from that of Ham: Hamitic thus relating to the Arabs and possibly the Negro.. ;)  There is a good explanation placed forward by Shai Ben Tekoa on Www.SomebodyHelpMe.Info if you are interested under the heading "Arabs are NOT Semites"...

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: Dexter on January 31, 2008, 11:12:47 AM

Quote from: MarZutra on January 31, 2008, 11:10:35 AM

Quote from: Dexter on January 31, 2008, 11:06:54 AM

Quote from: mord on January 31, 2008, 10:33:20 AM

So blueeyed Jews originated in Europe? :o ???

No. The Black sea area is the area of the Caucasians and the origin of the Caucasian race. Semites are not a race but a group of people that speaks Semite languages. All Semite and Hemite people are a part of the Caucasian race. Caucasians got into Europe in the 3 tousened B.C.E. by a huge "People migration/wandering".

Actually Dexter that isn't quite accurate.  Secular "race" and Biblical "race" are very different.  Semetic does refer to a language but the race, as per the Biblical identification is actually Shemitic and differs from that of Ham: Hamitic.. ;)  There is a good explanation placed forward by Shai Ben Tekoa on Www.SomebodyHelpMe.Info if you are interested...

There is no word for "race" in the Bible. Shemim, Chemim, Yeftim etc' means sons of Shem, Chem, Yefet etc'. As Jews means the sons of Judah. Semites people are not part of a race.

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: MarZutra on January 31, 2008, 11:17:33 AM

Dexter, please listen to the explanation:  http://www.somebodyhelpme.info/DPP/08-10-06_Semites_Hamites.mp3

or

SEMITES AND HAMITES
by Sha'i ben-Tekoa
May 6, 2006

Here's the derivation of the word Hamitic.

To begin with, the words Semite and Semitic in English, two centuries ago, used to be written with an "h" viz. Shemite and Shemitic. (I do not know why the "h" fell away over time; linguists specializing in phonetics probably have an answer.)

Two centuries ago, Shemitic referred to Hebrew and related languages: Arabic, Aramaic, Ugaritic, Akkadian, Amharic, etc., and was used by linguists to refer to this language group. It was an exclusively scholarly/academic term.

But in the late 19th century, the word was borrowed by Jew-haters to give a name to all the ideas floating around which tried to explain  why Europeans still hated Jews even after they stopped being Jews, i.e stopped living, dressing and believing as Jews. In 19th century Germany, tens of thousands, maybe scores of thousands of them converted to Christianity - yet people still hated them and rejected them, and the Jew-haters eventually came up with all kinds of pseudo-intellectual, pseudo-academic, pseudo-historical, pseudo-science/ anthropological theories to explain why.

That is what anti-Semitism was at birth.  Not for decades did it come to be associated with the physical extermination of Jews. That was an extremely late development.

Anti-Semitism arose because during the 18th century Enlightenment, European intellectuals lost their belief in Christianity. It therefore no longer made sense to hate Jews for having killed Jesus - not when they themselves no longer believed he was divine. Ergo, the end of the religious deicide charge as a reason for hating Jews.

Anti-Semitism arose saying that the reason people hate Jews is because they are Semites, meaning Asiatics, and therefore they are impossible to assimilate into European culture; people feel racially/biologically uncomfortable in their presence, and so on and so forth. The religious excuse for Jew-hatred having died, a new, pseudo-intellectual one was invented.

Now: Shem was one of the three sons of Noah and he had two brothers, Japhet and Ham, and Hamitic was the term linguists chose to categorize the pre-Arabic languages of North Africa, which are different from the Semitic language group.

And I use Hamitic as I do because I am a believing Jew who says not only that the Arabs stole Zionism and called it Palestinian Nationalism - they stole our claim that we are an ancient people and that this is our ancient homeland and that we are emotionally attached to it. They say they are an ancient people too and that this is their ancient homeland too. (This is, by the way, the identical technique the first Muslims used when they stole Judaism and called it Islam - a religion even more than Christianity that is a complete rip-off of Judaism.)

I say they stole the terms Semite and Semitic no less. 
 

Arabs say they can't be anti-Semitic because they too are Semites because they also are the children of Abraham, who the Bible tells us was the 10th generation descendant of Shem.

But this could not be more wrong. True, Ishmael was a son of Abraham, indeed his first-born. But we Jews do not - like Arabs, Russians and loads of other nationalities - hold by patrilineal descendant. To be a Jew you have to have a Jewish mother.

And Ishmael did not. His mother (this is all in the Book of Genesis) was Hagar, an Egyptian (Egypt=Mitzrayim), and Mitzrayim was one of the four sons of Ham (along with Canaan, Put and Cush.)

The Torah also tells us that Hagar found a wife for her son who was also an Egyptian.

Therefore: since Ishmael had a Hamitic (not a Semitic) mother and married a Hamitic woman, his offspring are Hamites, not Semites.

And this is a crucial fact because of the character and personality differences between Shem and his descendants on the one hand, and Ham and his descendants on the other - which I have no time to go into now. Suffice it to say that the Arabs today fit to a tee both Ishmael and his forebear Ham in their unbridled, shameless violence.

So the next time someone says the Arabs are Semites too, tell them no, and the above is the reason why.

 

And that if they have problems with that, tell them to listen to Sha'i ben-Tekoa at www.DeprogramProgram.com

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: Vito on January 31, 2008, 11:23:19 AM

So now I know where my great-x100 grandfather was from  ;D

But what about siblings with different eye color? I thought blue eyes was a skipping gene..

Quote from: Ambiorix on January 31, 2008, 11:08:24 AM

with the current immigration of somalis and irakis in Scandinavian countries, in 200 years blue eyes will be gone...

Don't worry Ambiorix, I will find a Scandinavian wife and make sure our genes are greatly multiplied  ^-^

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: Dexter on January 31, 2008, 11:30:22 AM

Quote

The Torah also tells us that Hagar found a wife for her son who was also an Egyptian.

Therefore: since Ishmael had a Hamitic (not a Semitic) mother and married a Hamitic woman, his offspring are Hamites, not Semites.

First, the Torah never tells us that. Second, Yishmael's father was Simetic, third, the Arabs are dicented of Yishamel's son and Esav's doughter as far as I know. And, for the thing that summs it all: The Torah is not the tool to categorize people, the name were only borrowed from it.

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: MarZutra on January 31, 2008, 11:32:49 AM

Sorry Dexter, I must agree to disagree with you brother... ;)

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: Ambiorix on January 31, 2008, 11:34:18 AM

Quote from: Vito on January 31, 2008, 11:23:19 AM

So now I know where my great-x100 grandfather was from  ;D

But what about siblings with different eye color? I thought blue eyes was a skipping gene..

Quote from: Ambiorix on January 31, 2008, 11:08:24 AM

with the current immigration of somalis and irakis in Scandinavian countries, in 200 years blue eyes will be gone...

Don't worry Ambiorix, I will find a Scandinavian wife and make sure our genes are greatly multiplied  ^-^

That doesn't help.
it is a recessive gene.
It will die out

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: Vito on January 31, 2008, 11:40:22 AM

Quote from: Ambiorix on January 31, 2008, 11:34:18 AM

Quote from: Vito on January 31, 2008, 11:23:19 AM

So now I know where my great-x100 grandfather was from  ;D

But what about siblings with different eye color? I thought blue eyes was a skipping gene..

Quote from: Ambiorix on January 31, 2008, 11:08:24 AM

with the current immigration of somalis and irakis in Scandinavian countries, in 200 years blue eyes will be gone...

Don't worry Ambiorix, I will find a Scandinavian wife and make sure our genes are greatly multiplied  ^-^

That doesn't help.
it is a recessive gene.
It will die out

It's a recessive gene with mixed eye-colored parents, but if both man and woman have blue eyes, the children will only have blue eyes.

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: Ambiorix on January 31, 2008, 11:45:29 AM

Quote from: Vito on January 31, 2008, 11:40:22 AM

Quote from: Ambiorix on January 31, 2008, 11:34:18 AM

Quote from: Vito on January 31, 2008, 11:23:19 AM

So now I know where my great-x100 grandfather was from  ;D

But what about siblings with different eye color? I thought blue eyes was a skipping gene..

Quote from: Ambiorix on January 31, 2008, 11:08:24 AM

with the current immigration of somalis and irakis in Scandinavian countries, in 200 years blue eyes will be gone...

Don't worry Ambiorix, I will find a Scandinavian wife and make sure our genes are greatly multiplied  ^-^

That doesn't help.
it is a recessive gene.
It will die out

It's a recessive gene with mixed eye-colored parents, but if both man and woman have blue eyes, the children will only have blue eyes.

Yes, but in Sweden, and some other scandinavian countries, there will be intermarriage with non-scandinavian europeans, so they will gradually loose the 90% blond haired ethnical composition of their contries.
The rest of Europe is also becoming more and more mixed,
or just of 100% non-European descent.
I think in 2100, Europe will have a different face than today.

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: Vito on January 31, 2008, 11:48:07 AM

Quote from: Ambiorix on January 31, 2008, 11:45:29 AM

Quote from: Vito on January 31, 2008, 11:40:22 AM

Quote from: Ambiorix on January 31, 2008, 11:34:18 AM

Quote from: Vito on January 31, 2008, 11:23:19 AM

So now I know where my great-x100 grandfather was from  ;D

But what about siblings with different eye color? I thought blue eyes was a skipping gene..

Quote from: Ambiorix on January 31, 2008, 11:08:24 AM

with the current immigration of somalis and irakis in Scandinavian countries, in 200 years blue eyes will be gone...

Don't worry Ambiorix, I will find a Scandinavian wife and make sure our genes are greatly multiplied  ^-^

That doesn't help.
it is a recessive gene.
It will die out

It's a recessive gene with mixed eye-colored parents, but if both man and woman have blue eyes, the children will only have blue eyes.

Yes, but in Sweden, and some other scandinavian countries, there will be intermarriage with non-scandinavian europeans, so they will gradually loose the 90% blond haired ethnical composition of their contries.
The rest of Europe is also becoming more and more mixed,
or just of 100% non-European descent.
I think in 2100, Europe will have a different face than today.

If America is saved, it may very well have an effect on Europe. Possibly leading to an exile of the Muslims there. No promises, but I think it's possible.

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: New Yorker on January 31, 2008, 12:04:15 PM

I have purdy blue-green eyes.   :)

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: Ambiorix on January 31, 2008, 12:17:30 PM

Quote from: Vito on January 31, 2008, 11:48:07 AM

Quote from: Ambiorix on January 31, 2008, 11:45:29 AM

Quote from: Vito on January 31, 2008, 11:40:22 AM

Quote from: Ambiorix on January 31, 2008, 11:34:18 AM

Quote from: Vito on January 31, 2008, 11:23:19 AM

So now I know where my great-x100 grandfather was from  ;D

But what about siblings with different eye color? I thought blue eyes was a skipping gene..

Quote from: Ambiorix on January 31, 2008, 11:08:24 AM

with the current immigration of somalis and irakis in Scandinavian countries, in 200 years blue eyes will be gone...

Don't worry Ambiorix, I will find a Scandinavian wife and make sure our genes are greatly multiplied  ^-^

That doesn't help.
it is a recessive gene.
It will die out

It's a recessive gene with mixed eye-colored parents, but if both man and woman have blue eyes, the children will only have blue eyes.

Yes, but in Sweden, and some other scandinavian countries, there will be intermarriage with non-scandinavian europeans, so they will gradually loose the 90% blond haired ethnical composition of their contries.
The rest of Europe is also becoming more and more mixed,
or just of 100% non-European descent.
I think in 2100, Europe will have a different face than today.

If America is saved, it may very well have an effect on Europe. Possibly leading to an exile of the Muslims there. No promises, but I think it's possible.

America will not save itself, let stand us,
unless a miracle happens.

We really have an enemy from within, that is destroying our nations.

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: Vito on January 31, 2008, 01:35:59 PM

Quote from: Ambiorix on January 31, 2008, 12:17:30 PM

Quote from: Vito on January 31, 2008, 11:48:07 AM

Quote from: Ambiorix on January 31, 2008, 11:45:29 AM

Quote from: Vito on January 31, 2008, 11:40:22 AM

Quote from: Ambiorix on January 31, 2008, 11:34:18 AM

Quote from: Vito on January 31, 2008, 11:23:19 AM

So now I know where my great-x100 grandfather was from  ;D

But what about siblings with different eye color? I thought blue eyes was a skipping gene..

Quote from: Ambiorix on January 31, 2008, 11:08:24 AM

with the current immigration of somalis and irakis in Scandinavian countries, in 200 years blue eyes will be gone...

Don't worry Ambiorix, I will find a Scandinavian wife and make sure our genes are greatly multiplied  ^-^

That doesn't help.
it is a recessive gene.
It will die out

It's a recessive gene with mixed eye-colored parents, but if both man and woman have blue eyes, the children will only have blue eyes.

Yes, but in Sweden, and some other scandinavian countries, there will be intermarriage with non-scandinavian europeans, so they will gradually loose the 90% blond haired ethnical composition of their contries.
The rest of Europe is also becoming more and more mixed,
or just of 100% non-European descent.
I think in 2100, Europe will have a different face than today.

If America is saved, it may very well have an effect on Europe. Possibly leading to an exile of the Muslims there. No promises, but I think it's possible.

America will not save itself, let stand us,
unless a miracle happens.

We really have an enemy from within, that is destroying our nations.

Americans are sick of the establishment.. they just need a spark to start a revolution.

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: Ambiorix on January 31, 2008, 01:37:28 PM

Quote from: Vito on January 31, 2008, 01:35:59 PM

Quote from: Ambiorix on January 31, 2008, 12:17:30 PM

Quote from: Vito on January 31, 2008, 11:48:07 AM

Quote from: Ambiorix on January 31, 2008, 11:45:29 AM

Quote from: Vito on January 31, 2008, 11:40:22 AM

Quote from: Ambiorix on January 31, 2008, 11:34:18 AM

Quote from: Vito on January 31, 2008, 11:23:19 AM

So now I know where my great-x100 grandfather was from  ;D

But what about siblings with different eye color? I thought blue eyes was a skipping gene..

Quote from: Ambiorix on January 31, 2008, 11:08:24 AM

with the current immigration of somalis and irakis in Scandinavian countries, in 200 years blue eyes will be gone...

Don't worry Ambiorix, I will find a Scandinavian wife and make sure our genes are greatly multiplied  ^-^

That doesn't help.
it is a recessive gene.
It will die out

It's a recessive gene with mixed eye-colored parents, but if both man and woman have blue eyes, the children will only have blue eyes.

Yes, but in Sweden, and some other scandinavian countries, there will be intermarriage with non-scandinavian europeans, so they will gradually loose the 90% blond haired ethnical composition of their contries.
The rest of Europe is also becoming more and more mixed,
or just of 100% non-European descent.
I think in 2100, Europe will have a different face than today.

If America is saved, it may very well have an effect on Europe. Possibly leading to an exile of the Muslims there. No promises, but I think it's possible.

America will not save itself, let stand us,
unless a miracle happens.

We really have an enemy from within, that is destroying our nations.

Americans are sick of the establishment.. they just need a spark to start a revolution.

Yes,
and who will be the victim of that revolution???

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: Vito on January 31, 2008, 01:39:57 PM

Quote from: Ambiorix on January 31, 2008, 01:37:28 PM

Quote from: Vito on January 31, 2008, 01:35:59 PM

Quote from: Ambiorix on January 31, 2008, 12:17:30 PM

Quote from: Vito on January 31, 2008, 11:48:07 AM

Quote from: Ambiorix on January 31, 2008, 11:45:29 AM

Quote from: Vito on January 31, 2008, 11:40:22 AM

Quote from: Ambiorix on January 31, 2008, 11:34:18 AM

Quote from: Vito on January 31, 2008, 11:23:19 AM

So now I know where my great-x100 grandfather was from  ;D

But what about siblings with different eye color? I thought blue eyes was a skipping gene..

Quote from: Ambiorix on January 31, 2008, 11:08:24 AM

with the current immigration of somalis and irakis in Scandinavian countries, in 200 years blue eyes will be gone...

Don't worry Ambiorix, I will find a Scandinavian wife and make sure our genes are greatly multiplied  ^-^

That doesn't help.
it is a recessive gene.
It will die out

It's a recessive gene with mixed eye-colored parents, but if both man and woman have blue eyes, the children will only have blue eyes.

Yes, but in Sweden, and some other scandinavian countries, there will be intermarriage with non-scandinavian europeans, so they will gradually loose the 90% blond haired ethnical composition of their contries.
The rest of Europe is also becoming more and more mixed,
or just of 100% non-European descent.
I think in 2100, Europe will have a different face than today.

If America is saved, it may very well have an effect on Europe. Possibly leading to an exile of the Muslims there. No promises, but I think it's possible.

America will not save itself, let stand us,
unless a miracle happens.

We really have an enemy from within, that is destroying our nations.

Americans are sick of the establishment.. they just need a spark to start a revolution.

Yes,
and who will be the victim of that revolution???

Conservatives could revolt and take over Washington.. but we need a leader with guts to spark that revolt.

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: Ambiorix on January 31, 2008, 01:42:43 PM

Quote from: Vito on January 31, 2008, 01:39:57 PM

Quote from: Ambiorix on January 31, 2008, 01:37:28 PM

Quote from: Vito on January 31, 2008, 01:35:59 PM

Quote from: Ambiorix on January 31, 2008, 12:17:30 PM

Quote from: Vito on January 31, 2008, 11:48:07 AM

Quote from: Ambiorix on January 31, 2008, 11:45:29 AM

Quote from: Vito on January 31, 2008, 11:40:22 AM

Quote from: Ambiorix on January 31, 2008, 11:34:18 AM

Quote from: Vito on January 31, 2008, 11:23:19 AM

So now I know where my great-x100 grandfather was from  ;D

But what about siblings with different eye color? I thought blue eyes was a skipping gene..

Quote from: Ambiorix on January 31, 2008, 11:08:24 AM

with the current immigration of somalis and irakis in Scandinavian countries, in 200 years blue eyes will be gone...

Don't worry Ambiorix, I will find a Scandinavian wife and make sure our genes are greatly multiplied  ^-^

That doesn't help.
it is a recessive gene.
It will die out

It's a recessive gene with mixed eye-colored parents, but if both man and woman have blue eyes, the children will only have blue eyes.

Yes, but in Sweden, and some other scandinavian countries, there will be intermarriage with non-scandinavian europeans, so they will gradually loose the 90% blond haired ethnical composition of their contries.
The rest of Europe is also becoming more and more mixed,
or just of 100% non-European descent.
I think in 2100, Europe will have a different face than today.

If America is saved, it may very well have an effect on Europe. Possibly leading to an exile of the Muslims there. No promises, but I think it's possible.

America will not save itself, let stand us,
unless a miracle happens.

We really have an enemy from within, that is destroying our nations.

Americans are sick of the establishment.. they just need a spark to start a revolution.

Yes,
and who will be the victim of that revolution???

Conservatives could revolt and take over Washington.. but we need a leader with guts to spark that revolt.

that leader will be working for the elites.
It is always like that.

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: kellymaureen on January 31, 2008, 01:44:19 PM

Thats amazing!

My moms whole family are blue eyed, my sister, brother and myself are as well, really amazing story.

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: Vito on January 31, 2008, 01:50:33 PM

Quote from: KellyMaureen on January 31, 2008, 01:44:19 PM

Thats amazing!

My moms whole family are blue eyed, my sister, brother and myself are as well, really amazing story.

Yes Kel, you definitely look like you're of Azerbaijani descent lol

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: Masha on January 31, 2008, 03:36:01 PM

About Jews and blond hair:

Quote

We are an ancient group of clans descended from 13 polygamous men, and our genetic history is part of the redefinition of humanity... 'Blonde genes occur in Middle Eastern groups as well,' he [Ostrer] explains. 'There is no evidence that white skin and blue eyes originated in northern Europe. That is a Nordic myth. Semitic people had the whole range.'...

Go to this page that has links to articles discussing the results of Jewish genetics studies.

http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/abstracts-jews.html

I'm just tired of hearing that Jews have blond hair because of rapes. This is simply not true. There is also such a theory as "genetic drift" that says that certain changes may occur in isolated groups so that with time they begin to differ from each other. It doesn't mean that they were raped or intermarried. the changes occurred by themselves.

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: Dexter on January 31, 2008, 03:50:29 PM

Of course it was because of rapes and mixing, I don't say there were no Jews with blond hair and blue eyes befor the Greeks and the Romans came, but it was much much less than it was after that.

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: Masha on January 31, 2008, 04:03:17 PM

Quote from: Dexter on January 31, 2008, 03:50:29 PM

Of course it was because of rapes and mixing, I don't say there were no Jews with blond hair and blue eyes befor the Greeks and the Romans came, but it was much much less than it was after that.

Dexter, do you have a problem with reading comprehension or are you a specialist in populatiional genetics? Do you know more than the geneticist I quoted? Go read the articles that are linked and you will see that the admixture of Slavic and Germanic genes in the Ashkenazi DNA was small.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ethnic_divisions

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Before the holocaust 30% of German Jews were blonde as were 25% of British Jews.

Considering that blondness is a recessive trait, to have it prevalent in 30% of the population means that a huge percentage had German admixture (if one attributes blondness solely to German genes). Clearly, this is insane. This does not make sense. Obviously, there were Jewish genes for blondness among Ashkenazi Jews that originated both in the Middle East, as Ostrer says, as well as through the well-known phenomenon of genetic drift, i.e. later self-origination.

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: Dexter on January 31, 2008, 04:56:41 PM

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Dexter, do you have a problem with reading comprehension or are you a specialist in populatiional genetics? Do you know more than the geneticist I quoted? Go read the articles that are linked and you will see that the admixture of Slavic and Germanic genes in the Ashkenazi DNA was small.

I think you are the one that have a problem with reading comprehension, read again what I said. After the Europeans took control over Judea some of tham converted, infact, 10% of the Roman empire was Jewish.
 

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: JTFFan on January 31, 2008, 05:09:02 PM

Quote from: Ambiorix on January 31, 2008, 11:45:29 AM

Quote from: Vito on January 31, 2008, 11:40:22 AM

Quote from: Ambiorix on January 31, 2008, 11:34:18 AM

Quote from: Vito on January 31, 2008, 11:23:19 AM

So now I know where my great-x100 grandfather was from  ;D

But what about siblings with different eye color? I thought blue eyes was a skipping gene..

Quote from: Ambiorix on January 31, 2008, 11:08:24 AM

with the current immigration of somalis and irakis in Scandinavian countries, in 200 years blue eyes will be gone...

Don't worry Ambiorix, I will find a Scandinavian wife and make sure our genes are greatly multiplied  ^-^

That doesn't help.
it is a recessive gene.
It will die out

It's a recessive gene with mixed eye-colored parents, but if both man and woman have blue eyes, the children will only have blue eyes.

Yes, but in Sweden, and some other scandinavian countries, there will be intermarriage with non-scandinavian europeans, so they will gradually loose the 90% blond haired ethnical composition of their contries.
The rest of Europe is also becoming more and more mixed,
or just of 100% non-European descent.
I think in 2100, Europe will have a different face than today.

They'll become a ethnic group on their own rather Euro-Arabians or Euro-Africans if such a thing occurs, with dominant and recessive traits on the one hand and atavism on the other.

However, most Europeans don't intermix with muSSlims that's rare from the Europeans I've talked to. However, you can find mixed marriages with children in France, ethnic French marrying Senegalese and vice versa.

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: Ambiorix on January 31, 2008, 05:48:20 PM

Quote from: JTFFan on January 31, 2008, 05:09:02 PM

Quote from: Ambiorix on January 31, 2008, 11:45:29 AM

Quote from: Vito on January 31, 2008, 11:40:22 AM

Quote from: Ambiorix on January 31, 2008, 11:34:18 AM

Quote from: Vito on January 31, 2008, 11:23:19 AM

So now I know where my great-x100 grandfather was from  ;D

But what about siblings with different eye color? I thought blue eyes was a skipping gene..

Quote from: Ambiorix on January 31, 2008, 11:08:24 AM

with the current immigration of somalis and irakis in Scandinavian countries, in 200 years blue eyes will be gone...

Don't worry Ambiorix, I will find a Scandinavian wife and make sure our genes are greatly multiplied  ^-^

That doesn't help.
it is a recessive gene.
It will die out

It's a recessive gene with mixed eye-colored parents, but if both man and woman have blue eyes, the children will only have blue eyes.

Yes, but in Sweden, and some other scandinavian countries, there will be intermarriage with non-scandinavian europeans, so they will gradually loose the 90% blond haired ethnical composition of their contries.
The rest of Europe is also becoming more and more mixed,
or just of 100% non-European descent.
I think in 2100, Europe will have a different face than today.

They'll become a ethnic group on their own rather Euro-Arabians or Euro-Africans if such a thing occurs, with dominant and recessive traits on the one hand and atavism on the other.

However, most Europeans don't intermix with muSSlims that's rare from the Europeans I've talked to. However, you can find mixed marriages with children in France, ethnic French marrying Senegalese and vice versa.

muslims don't like to mix as neither, because, our people "are infidels".
But in Britain, and France, their power is growing, and more natives convert to the immigrants' believes.

Sweden is the most dramatic example of how you can ruin your nation in hundred years,
when we'll be old, you'll see, Sweden will be a minority white, and thus blond haired people will be erased due to the subsequent mixage...
It is only by a kind of civil war, I fear, we can reverse this proces.
And save some of the genotypes, that are unique to Scandinavian and German, Russian Dutch, and English people.

The worst thing, is that, once we'll be a minority, we will have a major problem controlling our countries.
I really don't know what to do.

Don't forget, that a lot of so called anti-racists (who also hate the "zionist entity") ,
think that the main purpose of anti-nazism and anti-racism , is to mix the blond-haired and other white people with non-whites, to prevent the so-called hitlerian übermensch from being ever to be in great numbers again... in order to prevent a new Holocaust.... :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\

What is anti-racist about this I really can't understand.
It is self-hating racism. The same kind of hate, that too much Jews still have, conditioned by the Diaspora, and it's horrors.
Too much white people, feel guilty about colonialism, and imperialism,...


That's why Chaim Ben Pesach is a key figure for the Western World, to show them ,
that self - hating P.C. racism, is NOT the answer to the abominations of the national-socialist (and communist) regimes,
to their genocide on Jews and Gypsies, Serbs Poles and Russians [...]

But that self-hating PC-racism , is the new fascism, that plans to collaborate with islam to overthrow the western countries,
and help to kill all the Jews, in name of allah and his prophets, mohammed, and his successor  hitler.

I don't believe in racial über or so-called untermenschen,
but I do believe, that the policies of today, to combat racism, and neo-nazism,
are being used against the Jews, and against the righteous Gentiles.

So therefore, Chaim: show these PC-monsters:
that proud Jews, are not victims,
and never will be victims again.

So that we can prevent a second Holocaust/monsterpogrom-Jihad on the people of the western world, by the hordes of tird worlders.

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: New Yorker on January 31, 2008, 08:15:34 PM

Quote from: KellyMaureen on January 31, 2008, 01:44:19 PM

Thats amazing!

My moms whole family are blue eyed, my sister, brother and myself are as well, really amazing story.

Well then; Hi Cousin!  8;)

 ;D

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: Tzvi Ben Roshel1 on January 31, 2008, 08:17:36 PM

10,000 years ago, yeaa okayy  ::)

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: Tina Greco - Melbourne on January 31, 2008, 08:22:45 PM

Quote from: mord on January 31, 2008, 10:33:20 AM

So blueeyed Jews originated in Europe? :o ???

Yes of course

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: kellymaureen on January 31, 2008, 08:50:07 PM

Quote from: New Yorker on January 31, 2008, 08:15:34 PM

Quote from: KellyMaureen on January 31, 2008, 01:44:19 PM

Thats amazing!

My moms whole family are blue eyed, my sister, brother and myself are as well, really amazing story.

Well then; Hi Cousin!  8;)

 ;D

Ahhhhh we blue eyed people are all related ewwww :::D
I guess thats why I like men with brown eyes ;)

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: MarZutra on January 31, 2008, 09:26:11 PM

Darn!

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: New Yorker on January 31, 2008, 09:54:03 PM

Quote from: MarZutra on January 31, 2008, 09:26:11 PM

Darn!

 ;D

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: Tina Greco - Melbourne on January 31, 2008, 10:02:19 PM

Quote from: KellyMaureen on January 31, 2008, 08:50:07 PM

Quote from: New Yorker on January 31, 2008, 08:15:34 PM

Quote from: KellyMaureen on January 31, 2008, 01:44:19 PM

Thats amazing!

My moms whole family are blue eyed, my sister, brother and myself are as well, really amazing story.

Well then; Hi Cousin!  8;)

 ;D

Ahhhhh we blue eyed people are all related ewwww :::D
I guess thats why I like men with brown eyes ;)

LOL yeah  :::D :::D :::D :::D

LOL anything but brown  :::D

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: kellymaureen on January 31, 2008, 10:05:11 PM

Quote from: Skippy on January 31, 2008, 10:02:19 PM

Quote from: KellyMaureen on January 31, 2008, 08:50:07 PM

Quote from: New Yorker on January 31, 2008, 08:15:34 PM

Quote from: KellyMaureen on January 31, 2008, 01:44:19 PM

Thats amazing!

My moms whole family are blue eyed, my sister, brother and myself are as well, really amazing story.

Well then; Hi Cousin!  8;)

 ;D

Ahhhhh we blue eyed people are all related ewwww :::D
I guess thats why I like men with brown eyes ;)

LOL yeah  :::D :::D :::D :::D

LOL anything but brown  :::D

Oh I love brown eyes lol which is a good thing since Im evidently related to all blue eyed people :D

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: Tina Greco - Melbourne on January 31, 2008, 10:09:41 PM

Quote from: KellyMaureen on January 31, 2008, 10:05:11 PM

Quote from: Skippy on January 31, 2008, 10:02:19 PM

Quote from: KellyMaureen on January 31, 2008, 08:50:07 PM

Quote from: New Yorker on January 31, 2008, 08:15:34 PM

Quote from: KellyMaureen on January 31, 2008, 01:44:19 PM

Thats amazing!

My moms whole family are blue eyed, my sister, brother and myself are as well, really amazing story.

Well then; Hi Cousin!  8;)

 ;D

Ahhhhh we blue eyed people are all related ewwww :::D
I guess thats why I like men with brown eyes ;)

LOL yeah  :::D :::D :::D :::D

LOL anything but brown  :::D

Oh I love brown eyes lol which is a good thing since Im evidently related to all blue eyed people :D

Hello Sis  :::D :::D :::D

I love Green, Blue, Gray and Hazel eyes  ^-^

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: Tina Greco - Melbourne on January 31, 2008, 10:21:31 PM

Quote from: ~*Mills*~ on January 31, 2008, 10:16:53 PM

This is interesting.
What about green eyed people, are they also linked to a common ancestor?

My favorite eye color are VIOLET!
So rare and perfect! BUT I hear its actually deep blue that combined with the red eye veins gives off the appearance of being violet or something.

(http://images1.comstock.com/Imagewarehouse/TS/SITECS/NLWMCompingVersions/B0008/B0008613/B0008613.jpg)

"eye" suppose that it would look good with dark hair...or any kind of hair color actually. 

Eye colour is directly linked to genetic markers in the DNA code, yes eye colour is link to a common donor.

And I will get shot for this but Yes it all links back to the 7 daughters of eve(which is the three main racial groups, and 4 sub groups.)

It also links in hair colour, shape of the eyes etc, all racial genetic markers.

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: kellymaureen on January 31, 2008, 10:23:38 PM

Quote from: ~*Mills*~ on January 31, 2008, 10:16:53 PM

This is interesting.
What about green eyed people, are they also linked to a common ancestor?

My favorite eye color are VIOLET!
So rare and perfect! BUT I hear its actually deep blue that combined with the red eye veins gives off the appearance of being violet or something.

(http://images1.comstock.com/Imagewarehouse/TS/SITECS/NLWMCompingVersions/B0008/B0008613/B0008613.jpg)

"eye" suppose that it would look good with dark hair...or any kind of hair color actually. 

I believe that green (and other light colors)  is a mutation of blue, though Im trying to remember back to science class and that was LOTS of years ago:P

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: Tina Greco - Melbourne on January 31, 2008, 10:27:00 PM

Quote from: ~*Mills*~ on January 31, 2008, 10:25:33 PM

Quote from: Skippy on January 31, 2008, 10:21:31 PM

Quote from: ~*Mills*~ on January 31, 2008, 10:16:53 PM

This is interesting.
What about green eyed people, are they also linked to a common ancestor?

My favorite eye color are VIOLET!
So rare and perfect! BUT I hear its actually deep blue that combined with the red eye veins gives off the appearance of being violet or something.

(http://images1.comstock.com/Imagewarehouse/TS/SITECS/NLWMCompingVersions/B0008/B0008613/B0008613.jpg)

"eye" suppose that it would look good with dark hair...or any kind of hair color actually. 

Eye colour is directly linked to genetic markers in the DNA code, yes eye colour is link to a common donor.

And I will get shot for this but Yes it all links back to the 7 daughters of eve(which is the three main racial groups, and 4 sub groups.)

It also links in hair colour, shape of the eyes etc, all racial genetic markers.

I have not heard this before, about the 7 daughters of Eve (I'm not very educated when it comes to genetics & race, lol) I'll look into this. Its cool to be able to learn new things everyday.
According to Wikipedia, Violet eyes are basically just blue eyes that appear violet because of the red veins. So I guess violet eyed people like Elizabeth Taylor are also related to the blue eyed common ancestor.
She's lucky, to have her blue eyes appear this way.

I did a reference on this somewhere I will find it its very interesting, I will try and find it.

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: yeshuadisciple on February 11, 2008, 08:33:19 PM

My blue eyed ancestor was Japheth, the father of indo europeans.  Just move the 10000 years ago up to about 5000 years ago and we're in business. 

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: Tina Greco - Melbourne on February 11, 2008, 09:33:00 PM

Does Race Exist?

If races are defined as genetically discrete groups, no. But researchers can use some genetic
information to group individuals into clusters with medical relevance

By Michael J. Bamshad and Steve E. Olson

Look around on the streets of any major city, and you will see a sampling of the outward variety of humanity: skin tones
ranging from milk-white to dark brown; hair textures running the gamut from fine and stick-straight to thick and wiry.
People often use physical characteristics such as these--along with area of geographic origin and shared culture--to group
themselves and others into "races." But how valid is the concept of race from a biological standpoint? Do physical features
reliably say anything informative about a person's genetic makeup beyond indicating that the individual has genes for blueeyes or curly hair?
The problem is hard in part because the implicit definition of what
makes a person a member of a particular race differs from region to
region across the globe. Someone classified as "black" in the U.S., for
instance, might be considered "white" in Brazil and "colored" (a
category distinguished from both "black" and "white") in South Africa.

Click to read more.

http://schools.tdsb.on.ca/rhking/departments/science/bio/evol_pop_dyn/does_race_exist.pdf

Title: Re: Blue-eyed people share single ancestor living 10,000 years ago: study
Post by: MarZutra on February 12, 2008, 10:51:57 AM

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