It was Parashat Zachor. The Rabbi said in his speech that when the Torah says we must wipe out Amalek it doesn't mean we should physically go out and wipe them out with fighting and weapons. He said this isn't our way. The Jews should just sit and learn Torah and by learning Torah that will take care of Amalek. What an idiot.what chutzpah it is to call a rabbi dumb. he is right in a way. amalek wanted the jews to have doubts with their belief in g-d and by learning torah we are fighting them. today it is imposible to find out who is amalek. but we as jews should make sure that we dont spare any jew haters in today's world
JDL, why do you keep going to that shul it sounds like the Rabbi there drives you nutsBecause I need to keep the Rabbi until I get married for Shidduch reasons and then I'm leaving the Shul like a hot potato.
Yeah sure, I know what this Rabbi means. He meant what he said that even if we know who Amalek is we shouldn't kill them but simply learn Torah. And when our enemies rise up against us to kill us the Rabbi would say the same thing, don't fight them but simply learn Torah. He's a full fledged fool.We don't know who Amelek is. Today we can only fulfill that Mitzvah by wiping out the Sofek.
Yeah sure, I know what this Rabbi means. He meant what he said that even if we know who Amalek is we shouldn't kill them but simply learn Torah. And when our enemies rise up against us to kill us the Rabbi would say the same thing, don't fight them but simply learn Torah. He's a full fledged fool.We don't know who Amelek is. Today we can only fulfill that Mitzvah by wiping out the Sofek.
It was Parashat Zachor. The Rabbi said in his speech that when the Torah says we must wipe out Amalek it doesn't mean we should physically go out and wipe them out with fighting and weapons. He said this isn't our way. The Jews should just sit and learn Torah and by learning Torah that will take care of Amalek. What an idiot. Even better, is that his father was a survivor and lost his entire family in Europe in the Holocost. Fools never learn.
So, what's your point?Yeah sure, I know what this Rabbi means. He meant what he said that even if we know who Amalek is we shouldn't kill them but simply learn Torah. And when our enemies rise up against us to kill us the Rabbi would say the same thing, don't fight them but simply learn Torah. He's a full fledged fool.We don't know who Amelek is. Today we can only fulfill that Mitzvah by wiping out the Sofek.
That is my point. You are so used to quoting drush in place of pshat that you did not even bother to explain to anyone that Amalek is the same numerical value as Safek(doubt).
It is so simple in your mind that it doesn't need an explanation.
So, what's you point?Yeah sure, I know what this Rabbi means. He meant what he said that even if we know who Amalek is we shouldn't kill them but simply learn Torah. And when our enemies rise up against us to kill us the Rabbi would say the same thing, don't fight them but simply learn Torah. He's a full fledged fool.We don't know who Amelek is. Today we can only fulfill that Mitzvah by wiping out the Sofek.
That is my point. You are so used to quoting drush in place of pshat that you did not even bother to explain to anyone that Amalek is the same numerical value as Safek(doubt).
It is so simple in your mind that it doesn't need an explanation.
So, what's your point?Yeah sure, I know what this Rabbi means. He meant what he said that even if we know who Amalek is we shouldn't kill them but simply learn Torah. And when our enemies rise up against us to kill us the Rabbi would say the same thing, don't fight them but simply learn Torah. He's a full fledged fool.We don't know who Amelek is. Today we can only fulfill that Mitzvah by wiping out the Sofek.
That is my point. You are so used to quoting drush in place of pshat that you did not even bother to explain to anyone that Amalek is the same numerical value as Safek(doubt).
It is so simple in your mind that it doesn't need an explanation.
So are you claiming that you DO know who Amalek is today. Because I'm curious as to who it is...So, what's your point?Yeah sure, I know what this Rabbi means. He meant what he said that even if we know who Amalek is we shouldn't kill them but simply learn Torah. And when our enemies rise up against us to kill us the Rabbi would say the same thing, don't fight them but simply learn Torah. He's a full fledged fool.We don't know who Amelek is. Today we can only fulfill that Mitzvah by wiping out the Sofek.
That is my point. You are so used to quoting drush in place of pshat that you did not even bother to explain to anyone that Amalek is the same numerical value as Safek(doubt).
It is so simple in your mind that it doesn't need an explanation.
My point was well-expressed, sir.
Please review.
I think he would agree with me that he is not saying we can identify amalek.
He is criticising your style .. of mixing psak and drash or midrash, like it is one thing.
I think it is bad.. (mixing midrash with psak implies taking midrash literally, and also, not taking into account that sometimes midrashim can disagree). It is very unacademic, messy thinking. People reading what you write/say will end up mixing up sources and have no textual basis, and that will happen to you too if it hasn`t already.
JNC did not state his reason why it is bad..
Jdl4ever I couldn't agree with you more. This ghetto mentality is what always gets jews killed. Some jews will never learn from the past.If it makes you feel better, mainstream christian clergymen are equally insane.
I think he would agree with me that he is not saying we can identify amalek.When did I bring up a Midrash?
He is criticising your style .. of mixing psak and drash or midrash, like it is one thing.
I think it is bad.. (mixing midrash with psak implies taking midrash literally, and also, not taking into account that sometimes midrashim can disagree). It is very unacademic, messy thinking. People reading what you write/say will end up mixing up sources and have no textual basis, and that will happen to you too if it hasn`t already.
I would like to see all Satmar Rabbis stripped of their Rabinical ordination by a Bait Din. Hopefully the Israeli government does not recognize Satanmar ordination. I think they still don't recognize non-orthodox Rabbis from the Reform and Conservative, but am not 100% sure.Chas V'Sholom! The Satmar Rebbe, ZTVK"L, was one of the Greatest Talmidei Chochomim to ever live, and even though I have some slight halachic differences with them, they are for the most part great Chossidim and Great Talmidei Chochomim.
I think he would agree with me that he is not saying we can identify amalek.When did I bring up a Midrash?
He is criticising your style .. of mixing psak and drash or midrash, like it is one thing.
I think it is bad.. (mixing midrash with psak implies taking midrash literally, and also, not taking into account that sometimes midrashim can disagree). It is very unacademic, messy thinking. People reading what you write/say will end up mixing up sources and have no textual basis, and that will happen to you too if it hasn`t already.
And if you claim that this "midrash" is not true, and that we CAN'T identify Amalek today, then how exactly are we supposed to fulfill the Mitzvah? Once again, I'm quite curious...
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eruv rav itself is fighting agains't you.
Ok, so it seems that we have a situation here where I'm Machmer, and you're Mekel. And that's fine. But don't tell me that I'm wrong.I think he would agree with me that he is not saying we can identify amalek.When did I bring up a Midrash?
He is criticising your style .. of mixing psak and drash or midrash, like it is one thing.
I think it is bad.. (mixing midrash with psak implies taking midrash literally, and also, not taking into account that sometimes midrashim can disagree). It is very unacademic, messy thinking. People reading what you write/say will end up mixing up sources and have no textual basis, and that will happen to you too if it hasn`t already.
And if you claim that this "midrash" is not true, and that we CAN'T identify Amalek today, then how exactly are we supposed to fulfill the Mitzvah? Once again, I'm quite curious...
i said it was bad to mix pshat and drash or midrash.
meaning.
pshat and (drash or midrash)
you mixed pshat and drash.
you can forget the word midrash.
When and how we fulfill or do not fulfill the mizva of killing amalek, is not the point.
You know very well that WHEN we cannot identify them, we cannot fulfill the mitzva of killing them.
Just as we have mitzot that only be fulfilled in certain conditions. And without those conditions, we cannot fulfill it
Really.. if logic is too much for you then forget it.
And if something else is stopping you from getting it, then admit it and see a psychiatrist.
If you are still curious as to how we should fulfill the mitzva then don`t worry about it.. You don`t at the moment. And If we ever identify amalek, I`ll make sure you are informed. I`ll send you a private message on the JTF forum, bearing the good news.
at least they abide by the eruv ;-)
Ok, so it seems that we have a situation here where I'm Machmer, and you're Mekel. And that's fine. But don't tell me that I'm wrong.I think he would agree with me that he is not saying we can identify amalek.When did I bring up a Midrash?
He is criticising your style .. of mixing psak and drash or midrash, like it is one thing.
I think it is bad.. (mixing midrash with psak implies taking midrash literally, and also, not taking into account that sometimes midrashim can disagree). It is very unacademic, messy thinking. People reading what you write/say will end up mixing up sources and have no textual basis, and that will happen to you too if it hasn`t already.
And if you claim that this "midrash" is not true, and that we CAN'T identify Amalek today, then how exactly are we supposed to fulfill the Mitzvah? Once again, I'm quite curious...
i said it was bad to mix pshat and drash or midrash.
meaning.
pshat and (drash or midrash)
you mixed pshat and drash.
you can forget the word midrash.
When and how we fulfill or do not fulfill the mizva of killing amalek, is not the point.
You know very well that WHEN we cannot identify them, we cannot fulfill the mitzva of killing them.
Just as we have mitzot that only be fulfilled in certain conditions. And without those conditions, we cannot fulfill it
Really.. if logic is too much for you then forget it.
And if something else is stopping you from getting it, then admit it and see a psychiatrist.
If you are still curious as to how we should fulfill the mitzva then don`t worry about it.. You don`t at the moment. And If we ever identify amalek, I`ll make sure you are informed. I`ll send you a private message on the JTF forum, bearing the good news.
You JUST told me that we can't identify them! ::)Ok, so it seems that we have a situation here where I'm Machmer, and you're Mekel. And that's fine. But don't tell me that I'm wrong.I think he would agree with me that he is not saying we can identify amalek.When did I bring up a Midrash?
He is criticising your style .. of mixing psak and drash or midrash, like it is one thing.
I think it is bad.. (mixing midrash with psak implies taking midrash literally, and also, not taking into account that sometimes midrashim can disagree). It is very unacademic, messy thinking. People reading what you write/say will end up mixing up sources and have no textual basis, and that will happen to you too if it hasn`t already.
And if you claim that this "midrash" is not true, and that we CAN'T identify Amalek today, then how exactly are we supposed to fulfill the Mitzvah? Once again, I'm quite curious...
i said it was bad to mix pshat and drash or midrash.
meaning.
pshat and (drash or midrash)
you mixed pshat and drash.
you can forget the word midrash.
When and how we fulfill or do not fulfill the mizva of killing amalek, is not the point.
You know very well that WHEN we cannot identify them, we cannot fulfill the mitzva of killing them.
Just as we have mitzot that only be fulfilled in certain conditions. And without those conditions, we cannot fulfill it
Really.. if logic is too much for you then forget it.
And if something else is stopping you from getting it, then admit it and see a psychiatrist.
If you are still curious as to how we should fulfill the mitzva then don`t worry about it.. You don`t at the moment. And If we ever identify amalek, I`ll make sure you are informed. I`ll send you a private message on the JTF forum, bearing the good news.
machmir-strict, mekel-lenient
It is not a matter of being strict or lenient..
It is a matter of you taking a drash literally.
You seem to think we are fulfilling the mitzva(obligation) of killing amalek, by studying torah or "removing doubts".
Do you think that torah study is still the way to fulfill the obligation to kill amalek even after we identify them? I am sure you would not claim that.. That would be to the left of lenient!
You JUST told me that we can't identify them! ::)Ok, so it seems that we have a situation here where I'm Machmer, and you're Mekel. And that's fine. But don't tell me that I'm wrong.I think he would agree with me that he is not saying we can identify amalek.When did I bring up a Midrash?
He is criticising your style .. of mixing psak and drash or midrash, like it is one thing.
I think it is bad.. (mixing midrash with psak implies taking midrash literally, and also, not taking into account that sometimes midrashim can disagree). It is very unacademic, messy thinking. People reading what you write/say will end up mixing up sources and have no textual basis, and that will happen to you too if it hasn`t already.
And if you claim that this "midrash" is not true, and that we CAN'T identify Amalek today, then how exactly are we supposed to fulfill the Mitzvah? Once again, I'm quite curious...
i said it was bad to mix pshat and drash or midrash.
meaning.
pshat and (drash or midrash)
you mixed pshat and drash.
you can forget the word midrash.
When and how we fulfill or do not fulfill the mizva of killing amalek, is not the point.
You know very well that WHEN we cannot identify them, we cannot fulfill the mitzva of killing them.
Just as we have mitzot that only be fulfilled in certain conditions. And without those conditions, we cannot fulfill it
Really.. if logic is too much for you then forget it.
And if something else is stopping you from getting it, then admit it and see a psychiatrist.
If you are still curious as to how we should fulfill the mitzva then don`t worry about it.. You don`t at the moment. And If we ever identify amalek, I`ll make sure you are informed. I`ll send you a private message on the JTF forum, bearing the good news.
machmir-strict, mekel-lenient
It is not a matter of being strict or lenient..
It is a matter of you taking a drash literally.
You seem to think we are fulfilling the mitzva(obligation) of killing amalek, by studying torah or "removing doubts".
Do you think that torah study is still the way to fulfill the obligation to kill amalek even after we identify them? I am sure you would not claim that.. That would be to the left of lenient!
What?You JUST told me that we can't identify them! ::)Ok, so it seems that we have a situation here where I'm Machmer, and you're Mekel. And that's fine. But don't tell me that I'm wrong.I think he would agree with me that he is not saying we can identify amalek.When did I bring up a Midrash?
He is criticising your style .. of mixing psak and drash or midrash, like it is one thing.
I think it is bad.. (mixing midrash with psak implies taking midrash literally, and also, not taking into account that sometimes midrashim can disagree). It is very unacademic, messy thinking. People reading what you write/say will end up mixing up sources and have no textual basis, and that will happen to you too if it hasn`t already.
And if you claim that this "midrash" is not true, and that we CAN'T identify Amalek today, then how exactly are we supposed to fulfill the Mitzvah? Once again, I'm quite curious...
i said it was bad to mix pshat and drash or midrash.
meaning.
pshat and (drash or midrash)
you mixed pshat and drash.
you can forget the word midrash.
When and how we fulfill or do not fulfill the mizva of killing amalek, is not the point.
You know very well that WHEN we cannot identify them, we cannot fulfill the mitzva of killing them.
Just as we have mitzot that only be fulfilled in certain conditions. And without those conditions, we cannot fulfill it
Really.. if logic is too much for you then forget it.
And if something else is stopping you from getting it, then admit it and see a psychiatrist.
If you are still curious as to how we should fulfill the mitzva then don`t worry about it.. You don`t at the moment. And If we ever identify amalek, I`ll make sure you are informed. I`ll send you a private message on the JTF forum, bearing the good news.
machmir-strict, mekel-lenient
It is not a matter of being strict or lenient..
It is a matter of you taking a drash literally.
You seem to think we are fulfilling the mitzva(obligation) of killing amalek, by studying torah or "removing doubts".
Do you think that torah study is still the way to fulfill the obligation to kill amalek even after we identify them? I am sure you would not claim that.. That would be to the left of lenient!
When A happens, B happens.
Does that mean A happened?
What What? Where? How? Did A happen?When A happens, B happens.What?
Does that mean A happened?
Now you are better able to "switch places" with the European Labor Zionists, and perhaps better understand their frustration which grew into contempt for their religious brethren who refused to even consider retaking Eretz Yisrael by force of arms; let alone consider physically moving there to live.
In the 1920's-1930's the European rabbis for the most part counseled and advised their co-religionists to "stay put", "study Torah", "don't fight back", and everything would be fine.
Don't misunderstand my comments above...I'm not excusing the behavior of the Labor Zionists...just pointing out that "when the chips were down" they had to go it alone and not count on Torah miracles to save European Jewry.
"...anyone can come without a visa, or something to that affect..."
Cool!
Chaim can fly to Moscow, and from there to Tel-Aviv!
Or...to Ukraine dressed as a Lubavitcher, and then to Tel-Aviv!
The Israeli government hates all Chassidim, it wouldn't make a difference."...anyone can come without a visa, or something to that affect..."Satmar would be a better disguise
Cool!
Chaim can fly to Moscow, and from there to Tel-Aviv!
Or...to Ukraine dressed as a Lubavitcher, and then to Tel-Aviv!
The Israeli government hates all Chassidim, it wouldn't make a difference."...anyone can come without a visa, or something to that affect..."Satmar would be a better disguise
Cool!
Chaim can fly to Moscow, and from there to Tel-Aviv!
Or...to Ukraine dressed as a Lubavitcher, and then to Tel-Aviv!
I would like to see all Satmar Rabbis stripped of their Rabinical ordination by a Bait Din. Hopefully the Israeli government does not recognize Satanmar ordination. I think they still don't recognize non-orthodox Rabbis from the Reform and Conservative, but am not 100% sure.Chas V'Sholom! The Satmar Rebbe, was one of the Greatest Talmidei Chochomim to ever live, and even though I have some slight halachic differences with them, they are for the most part great Chossidim and Great Talmidei Chochomim.
Note: Correction made by TBOT. The Satmar Rebbe is a YS"Z and not a ZTVK"L.
Now you are better able to "switch places" with the European Labor Zionists, and perhaps better understand their frustration which grew into contempt for their religious brethren who refused to even consider retaking Eretz Yisrael by force of arms; let alone consider physically moving there to live.
In the 1920's-1930's the European rabbis for the most part counseled and advised their co-religionists to "stay put", "study Torah", "don't fight back", and everything would be fine.
Don't misunderstand my comments above...I'm not excusing the behavior of the Labor Zionists...just pointing out that "when the chips were down" they had to go it alone and not count on Torah miracles to save European Jewry.
Now you are better able to "switch places" with the European Labor Zionists, and perhaps better understand their frustration which grew into contempt for their religious brethren who refused to even consider retaking Eretz Yisrael by force of arms; let alone consider physically moving there to live.
In the 1920's-1930's the European rabbis for the most part counseled and advised their co-religionists to "stay put", "study Torah", "don't fight back", and everything would be fine.
Don't misunderstand my comments above...I'm not excusing the behavior of the Labor Zionists...just pointing out that "when the chips were down" they had to go it alone and not count on Torah miracles to save European Jewry.
You make a good point. In fact, one of the greatest tests of faiths for religious holocaust survivors was dealing with the fact that every good loyal frum Jew who listened to the Gedolim, and therefore stayed in Europe, was killed while the most non religious anti-Torah people ignored the counsel of the Gedolim, moved to Israel or America and lived.
Now you are better able to "switch places" with the European Labor Zionists, and perhaps better understand their frustration which grew into contempt for their religious brethren who refused to even consider retaking Eretz Yisrael by force of arms; let alone consider physically moving there to live.
In the 1920's-1930's the European rabbis for the most part counseled and advised their co-religionists to "stay put", "study Torah", "don't fight back", and everything would be fine.
Don't misunderstand my comments above...I'm not excusing the behavior of the Labor Zionists...just pointing out that "when the chips were down" they had to go it alone and not count on Torah miracles to save European Jewry.
You make a good point. In fact, one of the greatest tests of faiths for religious holocaust survivors was dealing with the fact that every good loyal frum Jew who listened to the Gedolim, and therefore stayed in Europe, was killed while the most non religious anti-Torah people ignored the counsel of the Gedolim, moved to Israel or America and lived.
"Rabbi" Steven Weiss head of the Reform movement said the dust line not the labor ZionistsNow you are better able to "switch places" with the European Labor Zionists, and perhaps better understand their frustration which grew into contempt for their religious brethren who refused to even consider retaking Eretz Yisrael by force of arms; let alone consider physically moving there to live.
In the 1920's-1930's the European rabbis for the most part counseled and advised their co-religionists to "stay put", "study Torah", "don't fight back", and everything would be fine.
Don't misunderstand my comments above...I'm not excusing the behavior of the Labor Zionists...just pointing out that "when the chips were down" they had to go it alone and not count on Torah miracles to save European Jewry.
You make a good point. In fact, one of the greatest tests of faiths for religious holocaust survivors was dealing with the fact that every good loyal frum Jew who listened to the Gedolim, and therefore stayed in Europe, was killed while the most non religious anti-Torah people ignored the counsel of the Gedolim, moved to Israel or America and lived.
or Britain, like my great grandfather. His many brothers were murdered.
I am sure many jews trying to get to israel were turned away.
And didn't Rabbi Weissmandl (an anti zionist), do alot, but have his efforts thwarted by labour zionists.. Who said something like.. the jews of europe are dust on the wheels of history.
the solution was moving to a place where the nazis weren't. Not necessarily zionism. Not necessarily moving to israel..
This is what concerns me.. At the moment, israel is one of the most dangerous places in the world for jews.
Now you are better able to "switch places" with the European Labor Zionists, and perhaps better understand their frustration which grew into contempt for their religious brethren who refused to even consider retaking Eretz Yisrael by force of arms; let alone consider physically moving there to live.
In the 1920's-1930's the European rabbis for the most part counseled and advised their co-religionists to "stay put", "study Torah", "don't fight back", and everything would be fine.
Don't misunderstand my comments above...I'm not excusing the behavior of the Labor Zionists...just pointing out that "when the chips were down" they had to go it alone and not count on Torah miracles to save European Jewry.
You make a good point. In fact, one of the greatest tests of faiths for religious holocaust survivors was dealing with the fact that every good loyal frum Jew who listened to the Gedolim, and therefore stayed in Europe, was killed while the most non religious anti-Torah people ignored the counsel of the Gedolim, moved to Israel or America and lived.
or Britain, like my great grandfather. His many brothers were murdered.
I am sure many jews trying to get to israel were turned away.
And didn't Rabbi Weissmandl (an anti zionist), do alot, but have his efforts thwarted by labour zionists.. Who said something like.. the jews of europe are dust on the wheels of history.
the solution was moving to a place where the nazis weren't. Not necessarily zionism. Not necessarily moving to israel..
This is what concerns me.. At the moment, israel is one of the most dangerous places in the world for jews.
Now you are better able to "switch places" with the European Labor Zionists, and perhaps better understand their frustration which grew into contempt for their religious brethren who refused to even consider retaking Eretz Yisrael by force of arms; let alone consider physically moving there to live.
In the 1920's-1930's the European rabbis for the most part counseled and advised their co-religionists to "stay put", "study Torah", "don't fight back", and everything would be fine.
Don't misunderstand my comments above...I'm not excusing the behavior of the Labor Zionists...just pointing out that "when the chips were down" they had to go it alone and not count on Torah miracles to save European Jewry.
You make a good point. In fact, one of the greatest tests of faiths for religious holocaust survivors was dealing with the fact that every good loyal frum Jew who listened to the Gedolim, and therefore stayed in Europe, was killed while the most non religious anti-Torah people ignored the counsel of the Gedolim, moved to Israel or America and lived.
or Britain, like my great grandfather. His many brothers were murdered.
I am sure many jews trying to get to israel were turned away.
And didn't Rabbi Weissmandl (an anti zionist), do alot, but have his efforts thwarted by labour zionists.. Who said something like.. the jews of europe are dust on the wheels of history.
the solution was moving to a place where the nazis weren't. Not necessarily zionism. Not necessarily moving to israel..
This is what concerns me.. At the moment, israel is one of the most dangerous places in the world for jews.
Only because the Jews have allowed it to get that way. The situation can be changed if we change it. And btw, any safety that you in britain or I in the US enjoy is fleeting and can be taken away at any moment. That is the nature of Galuth, no rest for the weary.
For the first time in 2000 years, the Jewish People have retaken by force their ancestral homeland, and have made it possible for this current generation to "return home"; to actually make reality the prayers and dreams of millions of Jews since the fall of the Second Temple.
Forget all the rest, as the statement above is all you need to know.
So, Jew, are you going to face your ancestors in The World to Come with pride and honor?
Or, will you be ashamed to face them, because YOU had the opportunity to fulfill 2000 years of Jewish prayers to G-d to allow us to return HOME --and instead chose to remain in Exile because you feared the Arabs more than you loved G-d's Commandment to "TAKE POSSESSION OF THE LAND WHICH I HAVE GIVEN YOU!""NEXT YEAR IN JERUSALEM"!
q_q_: "...But this is a very different situation, europe is relatively safer than israel, by a mile. (and I mentioned for example, that britain isn`t going to be getting an anti-semitic dictator any time soon)..
And since they are obsessed with muslims at the moment, they aren`t even blaming jews much. It`s very safe compared to israel. And since the holocaust, we are paranoid and know the signs..."
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I can not change anyone's mind about how "safe" Jews are by living in Israel.
I do know one thing, however, and it is this:
Should Israel cease to exist, the Jewish People might as well march to the Baptismal font and disappear, because nowhere on the planet would be safe for Jews ever again.
My personal belief, is that already there is no longer a safe place for Jews, but only in Israel are there Jews able to take up arms and defend their fellow Jews.
If total destruction is our fate, I much prefer to go down fighting with my fellow Jews, than to be 'rounded up' in the dead of night to be shipped to the camps.
Neither Rabbi Meir Kahane, nor Chaim Ben Pesach, has ever advocated for Jews to pick up and run from country to country, wherever they seem to feel "a little less endangered".
Such was the fate of the Jew in Exile..."the proverbial Wandering Jew"...fulfilling the curse leveled upon the Jews at Mt. Sinai.
If you prefer moving to, or remaining in the UK, or perhaps another country rather than feel unsafe in Israel, I can not persuade you otherwise.
But as the old adage goes, "You can run, but you can't hide."
Tzvi: "...Jews existed before the state and will exist after the state (if it is destroyed)..."
If that is your viewpoint, why even be involved with Kahanism?