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General Category => Introduce Yourself => Topic started by: Khashayarsha on April 29, 2008, 10:19:38 PM
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Read some funny stuff on this site, anyways hello.
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Hello,
Is it possible for you to write a more descriptive opening statement?
Thank you.
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Hello,
Is it possible for you to write a more descriptive opening statement?
Thank you.
Alright, :P.
My background is esphahani iranian, but i reside/born in canada, not muslim nor is my mother, grand mother, grand father and etc. Most of my family is agnostic/athiest. And i wanted to say that jews in iran are NOT treated like "BS". In esphahan the city/province i lived for 3 years, it is the only province that has a lot of jews, christians and "muslims" that live happily with each other. So i dont get why on this forum jews are under "moderation" because they are "jew", or they are heavily discriminated... Iranians jews are free to move to where ever they want, so how is iran holding them "hostage"...
BTW: Everyone is under "moderation" in iran.
Also i want to learn more about israel, Judaism, khazer jew origins,war with iran and some of the trolling/b.s crap about iran posts on this forum.
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Hello,
Is it possible for you to write a more descriptive opening statement?
Thank you.
Alright, :P.
My background is esphahani iranian, but i reside/born in canada, not muslim nor is my mother, grand mother, grand father and etc. Most of my family is agnostic/athiest. And i wanted to say that jews in iran are NOT treated like excrement. In esphahan the city/province i lived for 3 years, it is the only province that has a lot of jews, christians and "muslims" that live happily with each other. So i dont get why on this forum jews are under "moderation" because they are "jew", or they are heavily discriminated... Iranians jews are free to move to whereever they want, so how is iran holding them "hostage"...
BTW: Everyone is under "moderation" in iran.
Also i want to learn more about israel, Judaism, khazer jew origins,war with iran and some of the trolling/b.s crap about iran.
What is your opinion about muslims that spread propaganda like : " the jews did 9-11"?
Do you agree with them?
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Hello,
Is it possible for you to write a more descriptive opening statement?
Thank you.
Alright, :P.
My background is esphahani iranian, but i reside/born in canada, not muslim nor is my mother, grand mother, grand father and etc. Most of my family is agnostic/athiest. And i wanted to say that jews in iran are NOT treated like excrement. In esphahan the city/province i lived for 3 years, it is the only province that has a lot of jews, christians and "muslims" that live happily with each other. So i dont get why on this forum jews are under "moderation" because they are "jew", or they are heavily discriminated... Iranians jews are free to move to whereever they want, so how is iran holding them "hostage"...
BTW: Everyone is under "moderation" in iran.
Also i want to learn more about israel, Judaism, khazer jew origins,war with iran and some of the trolling/b.s crap about iran.
What is your opinion about muslims that spread propaganda like : " the jews did 9-11"?
Do you agree with them?
Lol? I've never heard of this, my theory is that the american "government" did it to itself to show attention that arabs are going "nuts". That is my "opinion".
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That certainly is your opinion and your entitled to it, but I'm obliged to respond forcefully to such garbage. The American government is in no way directly responsible for 9/11. The Commission report and the facts are just overwhelming. The perpetrators were all Muslims. The majority of whom were from Saudi Arabia. Normal, sane people accept this as fact. If you want to postulate your conspiracy theories, go ahead. I don't know how long this forum will tolerate such "diverse" opinions, but feel free to desecrate the memory of the victims of Arab terror.
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That certainly is your opinion and your entitled to it, but I'm obliged to respond forcefully to such garbage. The American government is in no way directly responsible for 9/11. The Commission report and the facts are just overwhelming. The perpetrators were all Muslims. The majority of whom were from Saudi Arabia. Normal, sane people accept this as fact. If you want to postulate your conspiracy theories, go ahead. I don't know how long this forum will tolerate such "diverse" opinions, but feel free to desecrate the memory of the victims of Arab terror.
The thing is "i don't care"... And you're already apeing me? ::) I barely no anything about islam, so dont start asking me questions about this or that.
Anyways.......
The whole thing looks like a set up to me; everything from iraq(saddam hussein getting power, and losing power), oil prices going nuts, arabs getting heavily discriminated, and the falling of the towers look suspicious. If i were controlling U.S. hell i would blow up a building or two and blame it on some heavily discriminated group, for sure i can use arab as a scape goat and get away with it. Then start creating propaganda that arabs as a whole are "terrorists". Declare war. Try to take their oil, land, but at the end U.S turns out into cocky macbeth and it dies and loses again...
BTW: dont like muslims either, so dont try to call me a sympathizer, lmao.
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<<So i dont get why on this forum jews are under "moderation" because they are "jew", or they are heavily discriminated... Iranians jews are free to move to where ever they want, so how is iran holding them "hostage"...
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<< arabs getting heavily discriminated, and the falling of the towers look suspicious.>>
Look what happens in that ayatollah regime of yours:
http://www.bahai.us/persecution-bahais-iran
<<Baha'is in Iran are systematically denied jobs, pensions and the right to inherit property. More than 10,000 Baha’is have been dismissed from government and university posts since Iran’s 1979 revolution.
Baha'is have been barred from institutions of higher education since 1980.>>
The thing is "i don't care"...
(http://irantoday.co.kr/photo/2007/09/23/iran_execution-thumb-510x446.jpg)
Just some "infidels".
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<<So i dont get why on this forum jews are under "moderation" because they are "jew", or they are heavily discriminated... Iranians jews are free to move to where ever they want, so how is iran holding them "hostage"...
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<< arabs getting heavily discriminated, and the falling of the towers look suspicious.>>
Look what happens in that ayatollah regime of yours:
http://www.bahai.us/persecution-bahais-iran
<<Baha'is in Iran are systematically denied jobs, pensions and the right to inherit property. More than 10,000 Baha’is have been dismissed from government and university posts since Iran’s 1979 revolution.
Baha'is have been barred from institutions of higher education since 1980.>>
The thing is "i don't care"...
(http://irantoday.co.kr/photo/2007/09/23/iran_execution-thumb-510x446.jpg)
Just some "infidels".
Regime of mine? lmao? ;D and bahais are jews? right? it's funny i never said i was an I.R supporter nor was my family. Oh wait your jew and can say anything you want right? huh?
And i bet if show a picture of a israeli savagely beating up a pale.stin..ian i would get banned? O0
It's funny how you take a quote that has nothing to do with that, i mean i dont care about islam...
Yeah infidel, i guess am also infidel, uncut dick and born atheist. 8;)
Nice "come back". :::D
SHow me that jews are getting killed lmao. What, you also believe the B.S lies from the news, lmao?
Half these people that got killed, because they were anti-I.R, i probably would be hanged also for the amount of anti excrement i been writing about IR.
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Regime of mine? lmao? ;D and bahais are jews? right?
No, just another group of non-muslims.
it's funny i never said i was an I.R supporter nor was my family. Oh wait your jew and can say anything you want right? huh?
I'm not a Jew.
And i bet if show a picture of a israeli savagely beating up a pale.stin..ian i would get banned? O0
There are no "Paalestinians"
It's funny how you take a quote that has nothing to do with that, i mean i dont care about islam...
Guess you don't care since you don't live in Iran with tour attitude.
Yeah infidel, i guess am also infidel, uncut dick and born atheist. 8;)
Can you tell us something about Iran before the revolution of '79.
Nice "come back". :::D
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Regime of mine? lmao? ;D and bahais are jews? right?
No, just another group of non-muslims.
it's funny i never said i was an I.R supporter nor was my family. Oh wait your jew and can say anything you want right? huh?
I'm not a Jew.
And i bet if show a picture of a israeli savagely beating up a pale.stin..ian i would get banned? O0
There are no "Paalestinians"
It's funny how you take a quote that has nothing to do with that, i mean i dont care about islam...
Guess you don't care since you don't live in Iran with tour attitude.
Yeah infidel, i guess am also infidel, uncut dick and born atheist. 8;)
Can you tell us something about Iran before the revolution of '79.
Nice "come back". :::D
No funny or sarcastic crap, or i'm not going to waste my time with you. It's not my fault they are write nazi w.e for pa le st in ia n.
Don't post BS that has nothing to do with the thread. I said Christians, Muslims, Zoroastrians, jews all have rights, i never said bahias do, nor did i say i was against them.
What you want me to tell before 1979? 1970-1979 iran was undergoing "revolution" and the king was basically in "exile"...
"Guess you don't care since you don't live in Iran with tour attitude."
What the hell does that mean? I went to iran with 3 german friends, and they were all shocked that most people didn't follow islamic laws... Almost everyone we met drank, smoke, ate "harem" food, scarves were falling off, prostitues are now 3x in iran because of this I.R crap and the gay population of iran for some reason is increasing. Probably islam forbids straight sex? :P
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<<Don't post BS that has nothing to do with the thread. I said Christians, Muslims, Zoroastrians, jews all have rights, i never said bahias do, nor did i say i was against them.>>
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2005/04/christian-persecution-in-iran.html
They do not have equal rights.
Christian Minister Hamid Pourmand with his family.
A Christian pastor is scheduled to go before the Iranian Court in the next few days for further review of his three year sentence:
The lay pastor, 47-year-old Hamid Pourmand, is to go before a Sharia court next week on charges of apostasy from Islam and proselytizing Muslims. The former charge is punishable by death.
Iranian Christian Hamid Pourmand must appear before the Islamic (sharia) court of Iran within nine days. An exact court date has not been released. Arrested September 2004 when security police raided a church conference he was attending, the Assemblies of God lay pastor will be brought up before the Islamic court between April 11 and 14 to face charges of apostasy from Islam and proselytizing Muslims to the Christian belief. Both "crimes" are punishable by death.
Pourmand, now 47, converted from Islam to Christianity nearly 25 years ago. He spent several months in solitary confinement after his arrest last September 9 2004, the only one of more than 80 church leaders arrested at the conference who was not released.
One of Iran's leading Protestant pastors was executed in December 1990 after a sharia court condemned him. Hussein Soodman, also an Assemblies of God pastor and a Muslim convert to Christianity, had been involved in Christian ministry for 24 years. He was reportedly hanged on December 3, 1990, as part of what was believed then to be a new wave of repression directed against the small Christian community in this Islamic Republic.
Pourmand, an army colonel at the time of his arrest, was found guilty by a military court on February 16 of .deceiving. the Iranian armed forces about his faith, despite evidence he produced to the contrary. According to the judge of the military court, his recent three-year sentence was given because Pourmand withheld from his superiors the information that he was a Christian. The Islamic regime in Iran has made it illegal for a non-Muslim citizen to serve as a military officer, since that puts him in a position of authority over Muslim soldiers.
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it's funny i never said i was an I.R supporter nor was my family. Oh wait your jew and can say anything you want right? huh? >>
<<Don't post BS that has nothing to do with the thread. I said Christians, Muslims, Zoroastrians, jews all have rights, i never said bahias do, nor did i say i was against them.>>
I see you like writing 'jew' instead of 'Jew'. Why?
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<<Don't post BS that has nothing to do with the thread. I said Christians, Muslims, Zoroastrians, jews all have rights, i never said bahias do, nor did i say i was against them.>>
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2005/04/christian-persecution-in-iran.html
They do not have equal rights.
Christian Minister Hamid Pourmand with his family.
A Christian pastor is scheduled to go before the Iranian Court in the next few days for further review of his three year sentence:
The lay pastor, 47-year-old Hamid Pourmand, is to go before a Sharia court next week on charges of apostasy from Islam and proselytizing Muslims. The former charge is punishable by death.
Iranian Christian Hamid Pourmand must appear before the Islamic (sharia) court of Iran within nine days. An exact court date has not been released. Arrested September 2004 when security police raided a church conference he was attending, the Assemblies of G-d lay pastor will be brought up before the Islamic court between April 11 and 14 to face charges of apostasy from Islam and proselytizing Muslims to the Christian belief. Both "crimes" are punishable by death.
Pourmand, now 47, converted from Islam to Christianity nearly 25 years ago. He spent several months in solitary confinement after his arrest last September 9 2004, the only one of more than 80 church leaders arrested at the conference who was not released.
One of Iran's leading Protestant pastors was executed in December 1990 after a sharia court condemned him. Hussein Soodman, also an Assemblies of G-d pastor and a Muslim convert to Christianity, had been involved in Christian ministry for 24 years. He was reportedly hanged on December 3, 1990, as part of what was believed then to be a new wave of repression directed against the small Christian community in this Islamic Republic.
Pourmand, an army colonel at the time of his arrest, was found guilty by a military court on February 16 of .deceiving. the Iranian armed forces about his faith, despite evidence he produced to the contrary. According to the judge of the military court, his recent three-year sentence was given because Pourmand withheld from his superiors the information that he was a Christian. The Islamic regime in Iran has made it illegal for a non-Muslim citizen to serve as a military officer, since that puts him in a position of authority over Muslim soldiers.
2 christians, and i know 300? ::) Armenians are 1/3 of esphahan and 99 percent of them are Christians and live fine.
The man you posted was a "convert" and "lied", you're not allowed to convert to any religion, but most likely you get a warning. This man probably has done more, probably something against I.R.
One thing what are you trying to prove? That I.R is bad?
I already know it's bad...
I already know the rights are bad,
i already,
i already know.
The thing is you don't know is that iran is being shown as something even "worse" than it actual is.
I'm not anti-jew, im not anti-american, the only thing i want is iran freed from islam, and religion shouldn't be part of politics.
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it's funny i never said i was an I.R supporter nor was my family. Oh wait your jew and can say anything you want right? huh? >>
<<Don't post BS that has nothing to do with the thread. I said Christians, Muslims, Zoroastrians, jews all have rights, i never said bahias do, nor did i say i was against them.>>
I see you like writing 'jew' instead of 'Jew'. Why?
what? jew or Jew? why the hell does it matter?
Alright ill call them yehudis, since that is what i mostly call them.
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<<The thing is you don't know is that iran is being shown as something even "worse" than it actual is.
I'm not anti-jew, im not anti-american, the only thing i want is iran freed from islam, and religion shouldn't be part of politics. >>
Ok. Free Iran from Islam. I support that. I think think the koran is a evil book.
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The thing is you don't know is that iran is being shown as something even "worse" than it actual is.
Yes. China is the Great Satan.
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The thing is you don't know is that iran is being shown as something even "worse" than it actual is.
Yes. China is the Great Satan.
Thank you Jimmy Carter.
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The thing is you don't know is that iran is being shown as something even "worse" than it actual is.
Yes. China is the Great Satan.
what?
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The thing is you don't know is that iran is being shown as something even "worse" than it actual is.
Yes. China is the Great Satan.
what?
Iran is like an annoying fly.
China is a SERIOUS threat.
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The thing is you don't know is that iran is being shown as something even "worse" than it actual is.
Yes. China is the Great Satan.
what?
We're not only anti-muslim, we are also heavily against left-wing big government. Communist China is indeed one of our enemies.
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The thing is you don't know is that iran is being shown as something even "worse" than it actual is.
Yes. China is the Great Satan.
what?
We're not only anti-muslim, we are also heavily against left-wing big government. Communist China is indeed one of our enemies.
So this site is against arabs, communists, even though the creator of communism was a jew, and what else?
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So this site is against arabs, communists, even though the creator of communism was a jew, and what else?
All other evil people.
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The thing is you don't know is that iran is being shown as something even "worse" than it actual is.
Yes. China is the Great Satan.
what?
We're not only anti-muslim, we are also heavily against left-wing big government. Communist China is indeed one of our enemies.
So this site is against arabs, communists, even though the creator of communism was a jew, and what else?
Yep. Not all Jews agree on the political issues.
This site hates the type of Jews, that become atheists, and leftists, even more than leftists non-Jews.
You can check that.
There is a term for it as well: self-hating Jews.
Karl Marx, is even not regarded as a real Jew, since he was an atheist, so he basically excommunicated himself.
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The thing is you don't know is that iran is being shown as something even "worse" than it actual is.
Yes. China is the Great Satan.
what?
We're not only anti-muslim, we are also heavily against left-wing big government. Communist China is indeed one of our enemies.
So this site is against arabs, communists, even though the creator of communism was a jew, and what else?
Yep. Not all Jews agree on the political issues.
This site hates the type of Jews, that become atheists, and leftists, even more than leftists non-Jews.
You can check that.
There is a term for it as well: self-hating Jews.
Karl Marx, is even not regarded as a real Jew, since he was an atheist, so he basically excommunicated himself.
Karl Marx is "Jewish" and not a follower of "Judaism". He is still a jew ethnicity wise.
So what religion do you believe in?
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Karl Marx is "Jewish" and not a follower of "Judaism". He is still a jew ethnicity wise.
So what religion do you believe in?
Judaism.
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<<Karl Marx is "Jewish" and not a follower of "Judaism". He is still a jew ethnicity wise. >>
What is your point?
<<So what religion do you believe in? >>
I'm Catholic.
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<<Karl Marx is "Jewish" and not a follower of "Judaism". He is still a jew ethnicity wise. >>
What is your point?
<<So what religion do you believe in? >>
I'm Catholic.
I'm just saying he is a "jew" no matter what religion or politic he believes in.
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Karl Marx is "Jewish" and not a follower of "Judaism". He is still a jew ethnicity wise.
So what religion do you believe in?
Judaism.
And what is your ethnicity; Ashkenazi, Sepharadi, "Mizrahim" or convert?
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<<Karl Marx is "Jewish" and not a follower of "Judaism". He is still a jew ethnicity wise. >>
What is your point?
<<So what religion do you believe in? >>
I'm Catholic.
I'm just saying he is a "jew" no matter what religion or politic he believes in.
Just know JTF hates Jews that are communists.
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Karl Marx is "Jewish" and not a follower of "Judaism". He is still a jew ethnicity wise.
So what religion do you believe in?
Judaism.
And what is your ethnicity; Ashkenazi, Sefaradi, "Mizrahim" or convert?
I'm a white gentile (raised Catholic) with red hair.
Seeing Chaim on TV inspired me to be a Noahide instead of an agnostic.
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<<Karl Marx is "Jewish" and not a follower of "Judaism". He is still a jew ethnicity wise. >>
What is your point?
<<So what religion do you believe in? >>
I'm Catholic.
I'm just saying he is a "jew" no matter what religion or politic he believes in.
Just know JTF hates Jews that are communists.
So what type of government are they "cheering" for?
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<<Karl Marx is "Jewish" and not a follower of "Judaism". He is still a jew ethnicity wise. >>
What is your point?
<<So what religion do you believe in? >>
I'm Catholic.
I'm just saying he is a "jew" no matter what religion or politic he believes in.
Just know JTF hates Jews that are communists.
So what type of government are they "cheering" for?
A Jewish one.
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<<Karl Marx is "Jewish" and not a follower of "Judaism". He is still a jew ethnicity wise. >>
What is your point?
<<So what religion do you believe in? >>
I'm Catholic.
I'm just saying he is a "jew" no matter what religion or politic he believes in.
Just know JTF hates Jews that are communists.
So what type of government are they "cheering" for?
A Jewish one.
Communism is the only jewish government coming to mind? Want to clear it up a bit? And they want this for israel or U.S?
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<<Karl Marx is "Jewish" and not a follower of "Judaism". He is still a jew ethnicity wise. >>
What is your point?
<<So what religion do you believe in? >>
I'm Catholic.
I'm just saying he is a "jew" no matter what religion or politic he believes in.
Just know JTF hates Jews that are communists.
So what type of government are they "cheering" for?
A Jewish one.
Communism is the only jewish government coming to mind?
Excuse me. I am talking about Judaism.
Judaism has been around longer than so-called Communism.
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Jews are indeed openly and actively persecuted in Iran, the Islamic government recently shut down all the Jewish schools.
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Jews are indeed openly and actively persecuted in Iran, the Islamic government recently shut down all the Jewish schools.
Yeah, they do. They kill jews, savagely beat them up, go in their faces say the holocaust never happened, and throw them in the dump. You happy? imo.
Seriously no one gives a duck's ass if you're a jew in iran.
They closed down the schools, because the lack of jews actually intending the schools. Most jews are intending public schools instead. There are still jewish schools in iran. ::)
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Can you please explain what you mean by Khazar Jews? It seems that a number of...people critical of Israels existence refer to Jews, specifically Ashkenazi Jews as being descendants of Khazaria. While there is some truth to Khazar leadership converting to Judaism, what evidence is there to claim that the majority of Ashkenazi Jews are Khazars? Despite recent genetic evidence to the contrary, (evidence: http://www.familytreedna.com/pdf/43026_Doron.pdf) and a lack of any real mainstream scholarly support, this belief is still popular among groups such as the Christian Identity Movement, Black Hebrews, British Israelitists and others (particularly Arabs), who claim that they, rather than Jews, are the true descendants of the Israelites, or who seek to who usurp the connection between Ashkenazi Jews and Israel in favor of their own.
Most Jews, including Ashkenazi Jews, do not exhibit the oriental features of the Khazars, who were likely of Central Asian Turkish origin. Modern DNA studies on the Y chromosome of Jews worldwide have also discredited the Khazar origin theory for the vast majority of Jews, including the Ashkenazi.
A study published by the National Academy of Sciences found that "The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora." [2]. Researchers express surprise at the remarkable genetic uniformity they found among modern Jews, no matter where the diaspora has become dispersed around the world. Contradicting the "mongrel" theory, DNA demonstrated substantially less inter-marriage among Jews over the last 3000 years than found in other populations.
"The results accord with Jewish history and tradition and refute theories like those holding that Jewish communities consist mostly of converts from other faiths, or that they are descended from the Khazars, a medieval Turkish tribe that adopted Judaism." [3] [43]
Morever, "The analysis provides genetic witness that these communities have, to a remarkable extent, retained their biological identity separate from their host populations, evidence of relatively little intermarriage or conversion into Judaism over the centuries." Id. And another finding, paradoxical but unsurprising, is that by the yardstick of the Y chromosome, the world's Jewish communities are closely related to Syrians and Palestinians[44], suggesting that all are descended from a common ancestral population that inhabited the Middle East some four thousand years ago. Id.
This study found that "The extremely close affinity of Jewish and non-Jewish Middle Eastern populations observed ... supports the hypothesis of a common Middle Eastern origin.",[45] as does the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) of at least 40% of the current Ashkenazi population.[19] So although Khazars could possibly have been absorbed into the modern Jewish population as we know it today, it is unlikely that they formed a large percentage of the ancestors of modern Jews.[46]
DNA analysis further determined that modern Jews of the priesthood tribe -- or "Cohanim" -- share a common ancestor in Israel dating back about 3000 years, 1700 years older than the Khazar conversion to Judaism. This result is consistent for all Jewish populations around the world.[45] [4]
"Using a combination of molecular genetics and mathematical analysis, the scientists arrived at an estimated date for the most recent common ancestor of contemporary Cohanim. According to this analysis, the common ancestor lived between the Exodus (approx. 1000 B.C.E) and the destruction of the first Temple (586 B.C.E.), consistent with the biblical account. Similar results were obtained based on analysis of either Sephardi or Ashkenzi communities, confirming the ancestral link of the two communities which had been separated for more than 500 years." [47] [5] "To date the original high priest, the research team used a formula based on a commonly accepted mutation rate. This formula yieded some 106 generations for both Ashkenazi and Sephardi Jews, or between 2,650 and 3,180 years, depending on whether a generation is counted as 25 or 30 years."
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Jews are indeed openly and actively persecuted in Iran, the Islamic government recently shut down all the Jewish schools.
Yeah, they do. They kill jews, savagely beat them up, go in their faces say the holocaust never happened, and throw them in the dump. You happy? imo.
Seriously no one gives a duck's donkey if you're a jew in iran.
They closed down the schools, because the lack of jews actually intending the schools. Most jews are intending public schools instead. There are still jewish schools in iran. ::)
The Jews who escaped Iran say the opposite of what you claim
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Jews are indeed openly and actively persecuted in Iran, the Islamic government recently shut down all the Jewish schools.
Yeah, they do. They kill jews, savagely beat them up, go in their faces say the holocaust never happened, and throw them in the dump. You happy? imo.
Seriously no one gives a duck's donkey if you're a jew in iran.
They closed down the schools, because the lack of jews actually intending the schools. Most jews are intending public schools instead. There are still jewish schools in iran. ::)
The Jews who escaped Iran say the opposite of what you claim
Yeah, whatever. :-\
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Can you please explain what you mean by Khazar Jews? It seems that a number of...people critical of Israels existence refer to Jews, specifically Ashkenazi Jews as being descendants of Khazaria. While there is some truth to Khazar leadership converting to Judaism, what evidence is there to claim that the majority of Ashkenazi Jews are Khazars? Despite recent genetic evidence to the contrary, (evidence: http://www.familytreedna.com/pdf/43026_Doron.pdf) and a lack of any real mainstream scholarly support, this belief is still popular among groups such as the Christian Identity Movement, Black Hebrews, British Israelitists and others (particularly Arabs), who claim that they, rather than Jews, are the true descendants of the Israelites, or who seek to who usurp the connection between Ashkenazi Jews and Israel in favor of their own.
Most Jews, including Ashkenazi Jews, do not exhibit the oriental features of the Khazars, who were likely of Central Asian Turkish origin. Modern DNA studies on the Y chromosome of Jews worldwide have also discredited the Khazar origin theory for the vast majority of Jews, including the Ashkenazi.
A study published by the National Academy of Sciences found that "The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora." [2]. Researchers express surprise at the remarkable genetic uniformity they found among modern Jews, no matter where the diaspora has become dispersed around the world. Contradicting the "mongrel" theory, DNA demonstrated substantially less inter-marriage among Jews over the last 3000 years than found in other populations.
"The results accord with Jewish history and tradition and refute theories like those holding that Jewish communities consist mostly of converts from other faiths, or that they are descended from the Khazars, a medieval Turkish tribe that adopted Judaism." [3] [43]
Morever, "The analysis provides genetic witness that these communities have, to a remarkable extent, retained their biological identity separate from their host populations, evidence of relatively little intermarriage or conversion into Judaism over the centuries." Id. And another finding, paradoxical but unsurprising, is that by the yardstick of the Y chromosome, the world's Jewish communities are closely related to Syrians and PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazis[44], suggesting that all are descended from a common ancestral population that inhabited the Middle East some four thousand years ago. Id.
This study found that "The extremely close affinity of Jewish and non-Jewish Middle Eastern populations observed ... supports the hypothesis of a common Middle Eastern origin.",[45] as does the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) of at least 40% of the current Ashkenazi population.[19] So although Khazars could possibly have been absorbed into the modern Jewish population as we know it today, it is unlikely that they formed a large percentage of the ancestors of modern Jews.[46]
DNA analysis further determined that modern Jews of the priesthood tribe -- or "Cohanim" -- share a common ancestor in Israel dating back about 3000 years, 1700 years older than the Khazar conversion to Judaism. This result is consistent for all Jewish populations around the world.[45] [4]
"Using a combination of molecular genetics and mathematical analysis, the scientists arrived at an estimated date for the most recent common ancestor of contemporary Cohanim. According to this analysis, the common ancestor lived between the Exodus (approx. 1000 B.C.E) and the destruction of the first Temple (586 B.C.E.), consistent with the biblical account. Similar results were obtained based on analysis of either Sefaradi or Ashkenzi communities, confirming the ancestral link of the two communities which had been separated for more than 500 years." [47] [5] "To date the original high priest, the research team used a formula based on a commonly accepted mutation rate. This formula yieded some 106 generations for both Ashkenazi and Sefaradi Jews, or between 2,650 and 3,180 years, depending on whether a generation is counted as 25 or 30 years."
I read it all, but they are still "unsure" of ashkenazi jews, and how much of them have the "mongoloid" look or "features. So what will you say in percentage?
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<<So i dont get why on this forum jews are under "moderation" because they are "jew", or they are heavily discriminated... Iranians jews are free to move to where ever they want, so how is iran holding them "hostage"...
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<< arabs getting heavily discriminated, and the falling of the towers look suspicious.>>
Look what happens in that ayatollah regime of yours:
http://www.bahai.us/persecution-bahais-iran
<<Baha'is in Iran are systematically denied jobs, pensions and the right to inherit property. More than 10,000 Baha’is have been dismissed from government and university posts since Iran’s 1979 revolution.
Baha'is have been barred from institutions of higher education since 1980.>>
The thing is "i don't care"...
(http://irantoday.co.kr/photo/2007/09/23/iran_execution-thumb-510x446.jpg)
Just some "infidels".
Regime of mine? lmao? ;D and bahais are jews? right? it's funny i never said i was an I.R supporter nor was my family. Oh wait your jew and can say anything you want right? huh?
And i bet if show a picture of a israeli savagely beating up a pale.stin..ian i would get banned? O0
I don't think so. There is nothing wrong with beating an Arab Muslime Nazi up :::D :::D :::D
It's funny how you take a quote that has nothing to do with that, i mean i dont care about islam...
Yeah infidel, i guess am also infidel, uncut dick and born atheist. 8;)
Nice "come back". :::D
SHow me that jews are getting killed lmao. What, you also believe the B.S lies from the news, lmao?
Half these people that got killed, because they were anti-I.R, i probably would be hanged also for the amount of anti excrement i been writing about IR.
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Can you please explain what you mean by Khazar Jews? It seems that a number of...people critical of Israels existence refer to Jews, specifically Ashkenazi Jews as being descendants of Khazaria. While there is some truth to Khazar leadership converting to Judaism, what evidence is there to claim that the majority of Ashkenazi Jews are Khazars? Despite recent genetic evidence to the contrary, (evidence: http://www.familytreedna.com/pdf/43026_Doron.pdf) and a lack of any real mainstream scholarly support, this belief is still popular among groups such as the Christian Identity Movement, Black Hebrews, British Israelitists and others (particularly Arabs), who claim that they, rather than Jews, are the true descendants of the Israelites, or who seek to who usurp the connection between Ashkenazi Jews and Israel in favor of their own.
Most Jews, including Ashkenazi Jews, do not exhibit the oriental features of the Khazars, who were likely of Central Asian Turkish origin. Modern DNA studies on the Y chromosome of Jews worldwide have also discredited the Khazar origin theory for the vast majority of Jews, including the Ashkenazi.
A study published by the National Academy of Sciences found that "The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora." [2]. Researchers express surprise at the remarkable genetic uniformity they found among modern Jews, no matter where the diaspora has become dispersed around the world. Contradicting the "mongrel" theory, DNA demonstrated substantially less inter-marriage among Jews over the last 3000 years than found in other populations.
"The results accord with Jewish history and tradition and refute theories like those holding that Jewish communities consist mostly of converts from other faiths, or that they are descended from the Khazars, a medieval Turkish tribe that adopted Judaism." [3] [43]
Morever, "The analysis provides genetic witness that these communities have, to a remarkable extent, retained their biological identity separate from their host populations, evidence of relatively little intermarriage or conversion into Judaism over the centuries." Id. And another finding, paradoxical but unsurprising, is that by the yardstick of the Y chromosome, the world's Jewish communities are closely related to Syrians and PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazis[44], suggesting that all are descended from a common ancestral population that inhabited the Middle East some four thousand years ago. Id.
This study found that "The extremely close affinity of Jewish and non-Jewish Middle Eastern populations observed ... supports the hypothesis of a common Middle Eastern origin.",[45] as does the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) of at least 40% of the current Ashkenazi population.[19] So although Khazars could possibly have been absorbed into the modern Jewish population as we know it today, it is unlikely that they formed a large percentage of the ancestors of modern Jews.[46]
DNA analysis further determined that modern Jews of the priesthood tribe -- or "Cohanim" -- share a common ancestor in Israel dating back about 3000 years, 1700 years older than the Khazar conversion to Judaism. This result is consistent for all Jewish populations around the world.[45] [4]
"Using a combination of molecular genetics and mathematical analysis, the scientists arrived at an estimated date for the most recent common ancestor of contemporary Cohanim. According to this analysis, the common ancestor lived between the Exodus (approx. 1000 B.C.E) and the destruction of the first Temple (586 B.C.E.), consistent with the biblical account. Similar results were obtained based on analysis of either Sefaradi or Ashkenzi communities, confirming the ancestral link of the two communities which had been separated for more than 500 years." [47] [5] "To date the original high priest, the research team used a formula based on a commonly accepted mutation rate. This formula yieded some 106 generations for both Ashkenazi and Sefaradi Jews, or between 2,650 and 3,180 years, depending on whether a generation is counted as 25 or 30 years."
I read it all, but they are still "unsure" of ashkenazi jews, and how much of them have the "mongoloid" look or "features. So what will you say in percentage?
It's possible but unlikely, the majority of Ashkenazi Jews look like the country they inhabited. Essentially Jews living in European countries have interracially mixed therefore look somewhat like the people of that country though have different customs and culture.
As far as i'm concerned, my mother is German ethnicity who converted to Judaism, so she is a German who practices Judaism. My father was a Jew and his family from Russia and Romania, last name of Cohen. Cohen is a direct descendant of Aaron, so it's not just possible to change to this last name. Since my fathers parents are of European origin, most of them looked similar to slavs but with some slightly different features although my father in specific had a darker complexion and his father did as well though his mother was lighter skin tone. They are classed as Ashkenazi. We have done DNA marker tests and have found no trace of Mongol or Khazar origin, we do not have any genetics common to Mongols or Turks for that matter however we do have what is known as the Kohen gene which you can read here.
Y-chromosomal Aaron
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosomal_Aaron
Some people don't like wikipedia but all the citations are listed there and you can confirm the sources.
Furthermore, I can prove that I with Ashkenazi background do not have Khazar blood or Mongol blood, I keep hearing these statistics that the majority of Jews are Khazars, well, where is the proof? There has been no evidence to prove the genetics of Jews or to show Mongol features. Go look at a Mongol or check the drawings of Khazars which feature Asiatic/oriental features and the comparison to Ashkenazi (the majority) Jews are a nonfactor.
To me, the argument that Jews are descendents of Khazars because a few of the elite is really a nonfactor, it's as equivalent to a few white Americans living in China and learning Chinese culture, unless it grows at a progressive rate, eventually they would die off just like the Khazars have died off.
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Khashayarsha, this forum is open for debate, people come here to exchange ideas. You admit your ignorance about Islam and its jihad against Freedom. And yet you randomly throw out loony accusations such as blaming American govt for 911 and scapegoating "discriminated Muslims".
If you know nothing about it better learn things before throwing such filthy lies. Are you here to learn and debate seriously or just to troll?
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Khashayarsha, this forum is open for debate, people come here to exchange ideas. You admit your ignorance about Islam and its jihad against Freedom. And yet you randomly throw out loony accusations such as blaming American govt for 911 and scapegoating "discriminated Muslims".
If you know nothing about it better learn things before throwing such filthy lies. Are you here to learn and debate seriously or just to troll?
Umm? What the hell? I dont care about islam, so stop putting this BS on me. Flithy lies? How the heck am i lying? I said it is a theory! How the hell do you know who did 9/11? Got a video tape of the person hi jacking the air plane????? Seriously, If you're against my opinion fine, but calling me a troll; i dont like. Atleast give me a reason on your post why you're "against" my theory, plus i really don't want to debate about 9/11... :-\
BTW: I already know muslims are lunatics, what are you trying to prove to me? :P
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Can you please explain what you mean by Khazar Jews? It seems that a number of...people critical of Israels existence refer to Jews, specifically Ashkenazi Jews as being descendants of Khazaria. While there is some truth to Khazar leadership converting to Judaism, what evidence is there to claim that the majority of Ashkenazi Jews are Khazars? Despite recent genetic evidence to the contrary, (evidence: http://www.familytreedna.com/pdf/43026_Doron.pdf) and a lack of any real mainstream scholarly support, this belief is still popular among groups such as the Christian Identity Movement, Black Hebrews, British Israelitists and others (particularly Arabs), who claim that they, rather than Jews, are the true descendants of the Israelites, or who seek to who usurp the connection between Ashkenazi Jews and Israel in favor of their own.
Most Jews, including Ashkenazi Jews, do not exhibit the oriental features of the Khazars, who were likely of Central Asian Turkish origin. Modern DNA studies on the Y chromosome of Jews worldwide have also discredited the Khazar origin theory for the vast majority of Jews, including the Ashkenazi.
A study published by the National Academy of Sciences found that "The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora." [2]. Researchers express surprise at the remarkable genetic uniformity they found among modern Jews, no matter where the diaspora has become dispersed around the world. Contradicting the "mongrel" theory, DNA demonstrated substantially less inter-marriage among Jews over the last 3000 years than found in other populations.
"The results accord with Jewish history and tradition and refute theories like those holding that Jewish communities consist mostly of converts from other faiths, or that they are descended from the Khazars, a medieval Turkish tribe that adopted Judaism." [3] [43]
Morever, "The analysis provides genetic witness that these communities have, to a remarkable extent, retained their biological identity separate from their host populations, evidence of relatively little intermarriage or conversion into Judaism over the centuries." Id. And another finding, paradoxical but unsurprising, is that by the yardstick of the Y chromosome, the world's Jewish communities are closely related to Syrians and PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazis[44], suggesting that all are descended from a common ancestral population that inhabited the Middle East some four thousand years ago. Id.
This study found that "The extremely close affinity of Jewish and non-Jewish Middle Eastern populations observed ... supports the hypothesis of a common Middle Eastern origin.",[45] as does the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) of at least 40% of the current Ashkenazi population.[19] So although Khazars could possibly have been absorbed into the modern Jewish population as we know it today, it is unlikely that they formed a large percentage of the ancestors of modern Jews.[46]
DNA analysis further determined that modern Jews of the priesthood tribe -- or "Cohanim" -- share a common ancestor in Israel dating back about 3000 years, 1700 years older than the Khazar conversion to Judaism. This result is consistent for all Jewish populations around the world.[45] [4]
"Using a combination of molecular genetics and mathematical analysis, the scientists arrived at an estimated date for the most recent common ancestor of contemporary Cohanim. According to this analysis, the common ancestor lived between the Exodus (approx. 1000 B.C.E) and the destruction of the first Temple (586 B.C.E.), consistent with the biblical account. Similar results were obtained based on analysis of either Sefaradi or Ashkenzi communities, confirming the ancestral link of the two communities which had been separated for more than 500 years." [47] [5] "To date the original high priest, the research team used a formula based on a commonly accepted mutation rate. This formula yieded some 106 generations for both Ashkenazi and Sefaradi Jews, or between 2,650 and 3,180 years, depending on whether a generation is counted as 25 or 30 years."
I read it all, but they are still "unsure" of ashkenazi jews, and how much of them have the "mongoloid" look or "features. So what will you say in percentage?
It's possible but unlikely, the majority of Ashkenazi Jews look like the country they inhabited. Essentially Jews living in European countries have interracially mixed therefore look somewhat like the people of that country though have different customs and culture.
As far as i'm concerned, my mother is German ethnicity who converted to Judaism, so she is a German who practices Judaism. My father was a Jew and his family from Russia and Romania, last name of Cohen. Cohen is a direct descendant of Aaron, so it's not just possible to change to this last name. Since my fathers parents are of European origin, most of them looked similar to slavs but with some slightly different features although my father in specific had a darker complexion and his father did as well though his mother was lighter skin tone. They are classed as Ashkenazi. We have done DNA marker tests and have found no trace of Mongol or Khazar origin, we do not have any genetics common to Mongols or Turks for that matter however we do have what is known as the Kohen gene which you can read here.
Y-chromosomal Aaron
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosomal_Aaron
Some people don't like wikipedia but all the citations are listed there and you can confirm the sources.
Furthermore, I can prove that I with Ashkenazi background do not have Khazar blood or Mongol blood, I keep hearing these statistics that the majority of Jews are Khazars, well, where is the proof? There has been no evidence to prove the genetics of Jews or to show Mongol features. Go look at a Mongol or check the drawings of Khazars which feature Asiatic/oriental features and the comparison to Ashkenazi (the majority) Jews are a nonfactor.
To me, the argument that Jews are descendents of Khazars because a few of the elite is really a nonfactor, it's as equivalent to a few white Americans living in China and learning Chinese culture, unless it grows at a progressive rate, eventually they would die off just like the Khazars have died off.
Thanks, i agree with your conclusion, i dont think ashkenazis have a "high" percentage of "turkic" blood, even the "anatolians" of turkey barely have any turkic blood and most of "pure" "anatolian" stock. I guess the ashkenazis are more of european converts, and european and jew mix.
1 more question, did the ashkenazis came from the same route as the sephardis?
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Can you please explain what you mean by Khazar Jews? It seems that a number of...people critical of Israels existence refer to Jews, specifically Ashkenazi Jews as being descendants of Khazaria. While there is some truth to Khazar leadership converting to Judaism, what evidence is there to claim that the majority of Ashkenazi Jews are Khazars? Despite recent genetic evidence to the contrary, (evidence: http://www.familytreedna.com/pdf/43026_Doron.pdf) and a lack of any real mainstream scholarly support, this belief is still popular among groups such as the Christian Identity Movement, Black Hebrews, British Israelitists and others (particularly Arabs), who claim that they, rather than Jews, are the true descendants of the Israelites, or who seek to who usurp the connection between Ashkenazi Jews and Israel in favor of their own.
Most Jews, including Ashkenazi Jews, do not exhibit the oriental features of the Khazars, who were likely of Central Asian Turkish origin. Modern DNA studies on the Y chromosome of Jews worldwide have also discredited the Khazar origin theory for the vast majority of Jews, including the Ashkenazi.
A study published by the National Academy of Sciences found that "The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora." [2]. Researchers express surprise at the remarkable genetic uniformity they found among modern Jews, no matter where the diaspora has become dispersed around the world. Contradicting the "mongrel" theory, DNA demonstrated substantially less inter-marriage among Jews over the last 3000 years than found in other populations.
"The results accord with Jewish history and tradition and refute theories like those holding that Jewish communities consist mostly of converts from other faiths, or that they are descended from the Khazars, a medieval Turkish tribe that adopted Judaism." [3] [43]
Morever, "The analysis provides genetic witness that these communities have, to a remarkable extent, retained their biological identity separate from their host populations, evidence of relatively little intermarriage or conversion into Judaism over the centuries." Id. And another finding, paradoxical but unsurprising, is that by the yardstick of the Y chromosome, the world's Jewish communities are closely related to Syrians and PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazis[44], suggesting that all are descended from a common ancestral population that inhabited the Middle East some four thousand years ago. Id.
This study found that "The extremely close affinity of Jewish and non-Jewish Middle Eastern populations observed ... supports the hypothesis of a common Middle Eastern origin.",[45] as does the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) of at least 40% of the current Ashkenazi population.[19] So although Khazars could possibly have been absorbed into the modern Jewish population as we know it today, it is unlikely that they formed a large percentage of the ancestors of modern Jews.[46]
DNA analysis further determined that modern Jews of the priesthood tribe -- or "Cohanim" -- share a common ancestor in Israel dating back about 3000 years, 1700 years older than the Khazar conversion to Judaism. This result is consistent for all Jewish populations around the world.[45] [4]
"Using a combination of molecular genetics and mathematical analysis, the scientists arrived at an estimated date for the most recent common ancestor of contemporary Cohanim. According to this analysis, the common ancestor lived between the Exodus (approx. 1000 B.C.E) and the destruction of the first Temple (586 B.C.E.), consistent with the biblical account. Similar results were obtained based on analysis of either Sefaradi or Ashkenzi communities, confirming the ancestral link of the two communities which had been separated for more than 500 years." [47] [5] "To date the original high priest, the research team used a formula based on a commonly accepted mutation rate. This formula yieded some 106 generations for both Ashkenazi and Sefaradi Jews, or between 2,650 and 3,180 years, depending on whether a generation is counted as 25 or 30 years."
I read it all, but they are still "unsure" of ashkenazi jews, and how much of them have the "mongoloid" look or "features. So what will you say in percentage?
It's possible but unlikely, the majority of Ashkenazi Jews look like the country they inhabited. Essentially Jews living in European countries have interracially mixed therefore look somewhat like the people of that country though have different customs and culture.
As far as i'm concerned, my mother is German ethnicity who converted to Judaism, so she is a German who practices Judaism. My father was a Jew and his family from Russia and Romania, last name of Cohen. Cohen is a direct descendant of Aaron, so it's not just possible to change to this last name. Since my fathers parents are of European origin, most of them looked similar to slavs but with some slightly different features although my father in specific had a darker complexion and his father did as well though his mother was lighter skin tone. They are classed as Ashkenazi. We have done DNA marker tests and have found no trace of Mongol or Khazar origin, we do not have any genetics common to Mongols or Turks for that matter however we do have what is known as the Kohen gene which you can read here.
Y-chromosomal Aaron
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosomal_Aaron
Some people don't like wikipedia but all the citations are listed there and you can confirm the sources.
Furthermore, I can prove that I with Ashkenazi background do not have Khazar blood or Mongol blood, I keep hearing these statistics that the majority of Jews are Khazars, well, where is the proof? There has been no evidence to prove the genetics of Jews or to show Mongol features. Go look at a Mongol or check the drawings of Khazars which feature Asiatic/oriental features and the comparison to Ashkenazi (the majority) Jews are a nonfactor.
To me, the argument that Jews are descendents of Khazars because a few of the elite is really a nonfactor, it's as equivalent to a few white Americans living in China and learning Chinese culture, unless it grows at a progressive rate, eventually they would die off just like the Khazars have died off.
Thanks, i agree with your conclusion, i dont think ashkenazis have a "high" percentage of "turkic" blood, even the "anatolians" of turkey barely have any turkic blood and most of "pure" "anatolian" stock. I guess the ashkenazis are more of european converts, and european and jew mix.
1 more question, did the ashkenazis came from the same route as the sephardis?
I would think they did.
It's hard to say what the original Hebrews looked like, my guess would be similar to those from the Mediterranean or people say in Lebanon or Syria, probably different complexion based on the environment. Some may have been lighter skinned, others may have been darker.
They probably are of the same route but as they broke off and blended into society, then their appearance changed from interracial mixing as well.
For example, I have some features from my father like nose, eyes, ears, etc. but yet I have white skin (not olive or darker like my father) from my mother and brown hair. Most people I met would say I look similar to Slavic/German but if they saw my father, many think he is Greek or Spanish.
Over time as population mixes with outsiders or foreigners, they will start to look different after a number of generations. It's the same with many Americans who claim native American ancestry. You will see many with blonde hair and blue eyes claim this, and sometimes it's difficult to believe them but the genetics do not lie because they have mixed into the population so much that many of these features are no longer apparent.
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SHow me that jews are getting killed lmao.
Ummm, maybe I'm misunderstanding you here. Are you laughing your A** off because Jews are getting killed? Do you think it's funny when Jews are killed? I'm trying to understand what context you are using to put "lmao" after Jews getting killed. :o
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Khashayarsha, this forum is open for debate, people come here to exchange ideas. You admit your ignorance about Islam and its jihad against Freedom. And yet you randomly throw out loony accusations such as blaming American govt for 911 and scapegoating "discriminated Muslims".
If you know nothing about it better learn things before throwing such filthy lies. Are you here to learn and debate seriously or just to troll?
Umm? What the hell? I dont care about islam, so stop putting this BS on me. Flithy lies? How the heck am i lying? I said it is a theory! How the hell do you know who did 9/11? Got a video tape of the person hi jacking the air plane????? Seriously, If you're against my opinion fine, but calling me a troll; i dont like. Atleast give me a reason on your post why you're "against" my theory, plus i really don't want to debate about 9/11... :-\
BTW: I already know muslims are lunatics, what are you trying to prove to me? :P
I also don't want to debate about 911, however if you come up with conspiracy theories than it's your task to prove them because there are infinity of crazy theories so I won't bother refuting everyone of them.
You also seem completely ignorant about Jews, you believed that all Jews support Marx because he was born to a Jewish family, "communism is the only jewish government" and then you said without knowledge that Ashkenazi Jews are originated from Khazars.
FYI The story about the Khazar comes from Jewhaters racists, however Jews don't care much for racial purity, We treat converts as if they are our brothers in blood and spirit.
1 more question, did the ashkenazis came from the same route as the sephardis?
Yes they both communities were formed by Jews coming from the three great Jewish communities of antiquity: Babylon, Israel and Alexandria.
And Ashkenazi Jews don't all look like Europeans, I sure don't- I have dark skin, brown eyes and black hair, I'm darker than many Jews from Morocco, Yet I have sisters with green eyes, pale skin and blond hair.There's no doubt that Jews have mixed with the gentiles in the Exile.
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Khashayarsha, this forum is open for debate, people come here to exchange ideas. You admit your ignorance about Islam and its jihad against Freedom. And yet you randomly throw out loony accusations such as blaming American govt for 911 and scapegoating "discriminated Muslims".
If you know nothing about it better learn things before throwing such filthy lies. Are you here to learn and debate seriously or just to troll?
Umm? What the hell? I dont care about islam, so stop putting this BS on me. Flithy lies? How the heck am i lying? I said it is a theory! How the hell do you know who did 9/11? Got a video tape of the person hi jacking the air plane????? Seriously, If you're against my opinion fine, but calling me a troll; i dont like. Atleast give me a reason on your post why you're "against" my theory, plus i really don't want to debate about 9/11... :-\
BTW: I already know muslims are lunatics, what are you trying to prove to me? :P
I also don't want to debate about 911, however if you come up with conspiracy theories than it's your task to prove them because there are infinity of crazy theories so I won't bother refuting everyone of them.
You also seem completely ignorant about Jews, you believed that all Jews support Marx because he was born to a Jewish family, "communism is the only jewish government" and then you said without knowledge that Ashkenazi Jews are originated from Khazars.
FYI The story about the Khazar comes from Jewhaters racists, however Jews don't care much for racial purity, We treat converts as if they are our brothers in blood and spirit.
1 more question, did the ashkenazis came from the same route as the sephardis?
Yes they both communities were formed by Jews coming from the three great Jewish communities of antiquity: Babylon, Israel and Alexandria.
And Ashkenazi Jews don't all look like Europeans, I sure don't- I have dark skin, brown eyes and black hair, I'm darker than many Jews from Morocco, Yet I have sisters with green eyes, pale skin and blond hair.There's no doubt that Jews have mixed with the gentiles in the Exile.
And anything wrong with "conspiracy" theory? It's a theory. ::)
And communism for a long time has been supported by jews, so why cannot say you're going to be a communist? Obviously this group is anti-communist, but i dont really get what a "jewish" government is...
So, what government are you going for? NS? Imperialisms? Some type of yehudi-democracy? ???
It's funny how i never said such things about Ashkenazi's are related to khazars, i asked a question to YOU and other Yehuds, if such claims are true that Ashkenazi have extreme turkic blood... ::)
Stop putting words in my mouth. >:(
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SHow me that jews are getting killed lmao.
Ummm, maybe I'm misunderstanding you here. Are you laughing your A** off because Jews are getting killed? Do you think it's funny when Jews are killed? I'm trying to understand what context you are using to put "lmao" after Jews getting killed. :o
Wow? Read the whole post instead of skipping bunch of sentences and just look at the words:
"Jew", "Killed", and "Lmao"...
I said show me some pictures of iran hanging a jew for simply being a jew, and the lmao was used for the reason that you won't find any pictures of "iranians" getting killed/hanged for just being a jew...
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Well Mr. Iran, I'm not sure I like your tone here, and your repeated use of the word Yehud. So considering you're new here, I suggest you ask your questions more politely, or you won't last long here.
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I said show me some pictures of iran hanging a jew for simply being a jew, and the lmao was used for the reason that you won't find any pictures of "iranians" getting killed/hanged for just being a jew...
Wow, I think you're in the wrong forum. We don't show pictures of Jews being hanged around here. If those are the kind of pics you're looking for, I'm sure Mr. Ahmadinejad can supply them for you. :-\
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And anything wrong with "conspiracy" theory? It's a theory.
They are made up by crazy people.
And communism for a long time has been supported by jews, so why cannot say you're going to communism? OBvioulsy this group is anti-communist, but i dont really get what a "jewish" government is...
NO, it has been supported by self-hating Jews who wished nothing more than not being born Jews.
It's funny how i never said such things about Ashkenazi's are related to khazars, i asked a question to YOU and other Yehuds, if such claims are true that Ashkenazi have extreme turkic blood... Roll Eyes
Just wondering where do you get all this ideas, may be from StørmFrønt?
So, what government are you going for? NS? Imperialisms? Some type of yehudi-democracy? Huh
A Jewish state is based on the Jewish law (the Halacha), Jews have a very extensive set of rules encompassing every aspect of life including government, It is called the "Talmud". JTF supports a Jewish state based on Jewish ideas in Israel, and a righteous gentile government based on the principles of the founding fathers of America to all other nations.
I personally believe in liberal democracy so I actually has a different opinion with JTF regarding the preferable government for Israel.
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I said show me some pictures of iran hanging a jew for simply being a jew, and the lmao was used for the reason that you won't find any pictures of "iranians" getting killed/hanged for just being a jew...
Wow, I think you're in the wrong forum. We don't show pictures of Jews being hanged around here. If those are the kind of pics you're looking for, I'm sure Mr. Ahmadinejad can supply them for you. :-\
Yeah, whatever. ::)
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Well Mr. Iran, I'm not sure I like your tone here, and your repeated use of the word Yehud. So considering you're new here, I suggest you ask your questions more politely, or you won't last long here.
And i'm the one being ignorant? Asking questions is being ignorant? Why? And saying yehud is being ignroant? wtf?
And harsh tone, oh maybe for the simple reason the first page was generalizing the iranian people, who have nothing to do with the god damn government.
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And anything wrong with "conspiracy" theory? It's a theory.
They are made up by crazy people.
And communism for a long time has been supported by jews, so why cannot say you're going to communism? OBvioulsy this group is anti-communist, but i dont really get what a "jewish" government is...
NO, it has been supported by self-hating Jews who wished nothing more than not being born Jews.
It's funny how i never said such things about Ashkenazi's are related to khazars, i asked a question to YOU and other Yehuds, if such claims are true that Ashkenazi have extreme turkic blood... Roll Eyes
Just wondering where do you get all this ideas, may be from StørmFrønt?
So, what government are you going for? NS? Imperialisms? Some type of yehudi-democracy? Huh
A Jewish state is based on the Jewish law (the Halacha), Jews have a very extensive set of rules encompassing every aspect of life including government, It is called the "Talmud". JTF supports a Jewish state based on Jewish ideas in Israel, and a righteous gentile government based on the principles of the founding fathers of America to all other nations.
I personally believe in liberal democracy so I actually has a different opinion with JTF regarding the preferable government for Israel.
I actually got the idea of asking the question "are ashkenazis are related to turkics?" from a friend who is a sephardi jew.
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To answer your question on Jewish government:
The current government is indeed what we call communist or bolshevik or traitors or self-hating Jews.
The plan is to overthrow that government, and to rule Israel according to Kahanist principals.
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You know you can modify your other post--you don't have to triple post. ;)
You said you were born in Canada so why are you introducing yourself as an Iranian? Is it because you support Iran over Canada? Why don't you move to Iran and become a real Iranian?
And saying yehud is being ignroant? wtf?
Yes, when you're using it so obviously with a negative connotation.
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To answer your question on Jewish government:
The current government is indeed what we call communist or bolshevik or traitors or self-hating Jews.
The plan is to overthrow that government, and to rule Israel according to Kahanist principals.
And how many jews are self hating? ???
If a jew converts to an atheist, a Christian, some other religion, than is he/she a self hating jew? If israel is the homeland of Israelites why are not israelites of different religions not allowed? I always thought israel was the homeland of "jews" related to "israelites" related to the other semites, not people who follow some faith. So can a non-Judaism beliver jew live in Israel and call israel he/she's home land? or is he or she not kosher enough? ???
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You know you can modify your other post--you don't have to triple post. ;)
You said you were born in Canada so why are you introducing yourself as an Iranian? Is it because you support Iran over Canada? Why don't you move to Iran and become a real Iranian?
And saying yehud is being ignroant? wtf?
Yes, when you're using it so obviously with a negative connotation.
The posts are different because im quoting different people.
I.R is not my homeland... I don't support "iran" if you mean I.R.
I say Canadian as nationality but mainly when people ask where you from in canada they usually ask for your background in canada, so yeah.
I have iranian citizenship..., and i dont get how moving to iran will make me "more" "iranian"?
Same question to you;
Why dont you move to israel and be a real jew? ???
sorry didn't notice for the usage of yehud.
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To answer your question on Jewish government:
The current government is indeed what we call communist or bolshevik or traitors or self-hating Jews.
The plan is to overthrow that government, and to rule Israel according to Kahanist principals.
And how many jews are self hating? ???
good question, but ask somebody else. I don't know.
If a jew converts to an atheist, a Christian, some other religion, than is he/she a self hating jew?
That one I can answer. The answer is yes: the Torah forbids this.
If israel is the homeland of Israelites why are not israelites of different religions not allowed?
In reality, different religions are based in Israel : Judaism, atheism, different Chrisitian Churches, Islam, Druz, Bahai, and perhaps more.
I always thought israel was the homeland of "jews" related to "israelites" related to the other semites, not people who follow some faith.
You, as an Persian "Goyim", can decide to convert to Judaism, be accepted by an Orthodox Rabbi, to follow teachings, and afterwards immigrate as a true Jew to Israel.
I know some non-Jews on this forum are on the stage of becoming Jewish.
So can a non-Judaism beliver jew live in Israel and call israel he/she's home land?
I don't think I will ever get granted Israeli nationality. But the arabs inside little Israel, that breed 4 times the rate of the Israeli, do get first-world treatement.
or is he or she not kosher enough? ???
I don't think so.
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HEY, ABDUL!
I HEAR TELL THAT EYE-RAN KILLS EVERYBODY UNLESS THEY AGREE TO WORK A CONVENIENCE STORE DURING THE NIGHT SHIFT...
IS THAT TRUE?
'AN THAT FLY'IN SAUCER UFOS KEEP STEALING ALL MOHAMED'S PISTACHIO NUTS!...IS THAT TRUE TOO?
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And i'm the one being ignorant? Asking questions is being ignorant? Why? And saying yehud is being ignroant? wtf?
And harsh tone, oh maybe for the simple reason the first page was generalizing the iranian people, who have nothing to do with the G-d damn government.
Mr. Iran, I didn't call you ignorant. But since you brought it up, I would have to say that anyone who refers to communism as a Jewish movement fits the description. And I agree with the others in that you use the word Yehud negatively.
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HEY, ABDUL!
I HEAR TELL THAT EYE-RAN KILLS EVERYBODY UNLESS THEY AGREE TO WORK A CONVENIENCE STORE DURING THE NIGHT SHIFT...
IS THAT TRUE?
'AN THAT FLY'IN SAUCER UFOS KEEP STEALING ALL MOHAMED'S PISTACHIO NUTS!...IS THAT TRUE TOO?
I don't get these jokes? ???
And this is not being "ignorant"? ::)
And why would my name be abdul? It's funny how i said i was born atheist and know nothing about islam.
and for the last time i dont support I.R.
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You know you can modify your other post--you don't have to triple post. ;)
You said you were born in Canada so why are you introducing yourself as an Iranian? Is it because you support Iran over Canada? Why don't you move to Iran and become a real Iranian?
And saying yehud is being ignroant? wtf?
Yes, when you're using it so obviously with a negative connotation.
The posts are different because im quoting different people.
I.R is not my homeland... I don't support "iran" if you mean I.R.
Good. We like Iranians / Persians !! But we truly want to abolish the satanic religion of Islam.
I say Canadian as nationality but mainly when people ask where you from in canada they usually ask for your background in canada, so yeah.
I have iranian citizenship..., and i dont get how moving to iran will make me "more" "iranian"?
So you're a first or second generation immigrant. May I ask you when you or your parents left Iran and why?
Same question to you;
Why dont you move to israel and be a real jew? ???
Good question! JTF surely encourages the Jews in the World to return to their their homeland.
The leader of JTF, Chaim Ben Pesach, is in exile. He is forbidden to enter Israel, because he is a threat for the left-wing bolshevik overnment.
sorry didn't notice for the usage of yehud.
Well, do you care about calling yourself Persian/Farsi instead of Iranian? i know some people ho do.
My question for you : what does the name Khashayarsha mean?
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Re: "...a non-Judaism beliver jew live in Israel and call israel he/she's home land? or is he or she not kosher enough?..."
SEE ABDUL, IT'S LIKE THIS...
ISRAEL STILL AIN'T GOT NO CONVENIENCE STORES YET, SO THERE AIN'T NOTHIN' FOR YOU TO DO THERE!
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Re: "...a non-Judaism beliver jew live in Israel and call israel he/she's home land? or is he or she not kosher enough?..."
SEE ABDUL, IT'S LIKE THIS...
ISRAEL STILL AIN'T GOT NO CONVENIENCE STORES YET, SO THERE AIN'T NOTHIN' FOR YOU TO DO THERE!
Wouldn't your name most likely be abdul or yusuf or something? And i really care? Go post some crap elsewhere i don't care.
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And i'm the one being ignorant? Asking questions is being ignorant? Why? And saying yehud is being ignroant? wtf?
And harsh tone, oh maybe for the simple reason the first page was generalizing the iranian people, who have nothing to do with the G-d damn government.
Mr. Iran, I didn't call you ignorant. But since you brought it up, I would have to say that anyone who refers to communism as a Jewish movement fits the description. And I agree with the others in that you use the word Yehud negatively.
The Soviet Union was created in 1917. The Frank Weltner website "Jewwatch" states that 95% of the the commisars, official government people and secret police were Jews.
Has somebody any knowledge on this subject?
As we all know , Frank Weltner views on Jews, are 'a bit biased'.
I understand, he even regards Stalin as a Jew. ;D ;D
I guess you are trying to find out more about the Jews/Israel, and that you tend to resonate the Jew-hating propaganda, where the internet is full off.
Anyway: the bolshevik revolution happened, because the Germans send Lenin to Sint-Petersburg in a panzer train, in order to declare to get Russia out of the war , and so to facilitate Germany, leaving one front less to fight.
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And i'm the one being ignorant? Asking questions is being ignorant? Why? And saying yehud is being ignroant? wtf?
And harsh tone, oh maybe for the simple reason the first page was generalizing the iranian people, who have nothing to do with the G-d damn government.
Mr. Iran, I didn't call you ignorant. But since you brought it up, I would have to say that anyone who refers to communism as a Jewish movement fits the description. And I agree with the others in that you use the word Yehud negatively.
The Soviet Union was created in 1917. The Frank Weltner website "Jewwatch" states that 95% of the the commisars, official government people and secret police were Jews.
Has somebody any knowledge on this subject?
As we all know , Frank Weltner views on Jews, are 'a bit biased'.
I understand, he even regards Stalin as a Jew. ;D ;D
I guess you are trying to find out more about the Jews/Israel, and that you tend to resonate the Jew-hating propaganda, where the internet is full off.
Anyway: the bolshevik revolution happened, because the Germans send Lenin to Sint-Petersburg in a panzer train, in order to declare to get Russia out of the war , and so to facilitate Germany, leaving one front less to fight.
I dont really believe staling was a jew, he is supposedly to be of indo-caucasus and indo-iranian back ground; georgian and ossestian, but he was called a jew for supporting and "installing" communism and to make "georgians" not shown as "bad" people. Basically "scape-goat action".
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You know you can modify your other post--you don't have to triple post. ;)
You said you were born in Canada so why are you introducing yourself as an Iranian? Is it because you support Iran over Canada? Why don't you move to Iran and become a real Iranian?
And saying yehud is being ignroant? wtf?
Yes, when you're using it so obviously with a negative connotation.
The posts are different because im quoting different people.
I.R is not my homeland... I don't support "iran" if you mean I.R.
Good. We like Iranians / Persians !! But we truly want to abolish the satanic religion of Islam.
I say Canadian as nationality but mainly when people ask where you from in canada they usually ask for your background in canada, so yeah.
I have iranian citizenship..., and i dont get how moving to iran will make me "more" "iranian"?
So you're a first or second generation immigrant. May I ask you when you or your parents left Iran and why?
Same question to you;
Why dont you move to israel and be a real jew? ???
Good question! JTF surely encourages the Jews in the World to return to their their homeland.
The leader of JTF, Chaim Ben Pesach, is in exile. He is forbidden to enter Israel, because he is a threat for the left-wing bolshevik overnment.
sorry didn't notice for the usage of yehud.
Well, do you care about calling yourself Persian/Farsi instead of Iranian? i know some people ho do.
My question for you : what does the name Khashayarsha mean?
It means "Ruler of Heros", also a persian king name from Achaemenid empire, not a common name due the fact that it is really long, but it is a nice last name, well to me it is.
Also the greek variation is "Xerxes".
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HEY ABDUL!
IF EYE-RAN IS GO GOOD TO EVERYBODY THERE, WHY DON'T YOU EXPLAIN TO US ALL ABOUT THE PERSECUTION OF THE BA'HAI BELIEVERS?
ARE THEY EQUALLY ACCEPTED AS ALL OTHER EYE-RAN PEOPLE?
GOT YOU ON THAT ONE!
IT'S ABOUT TIME FOR YOUR SHIFT AT THE CONVENIENCE STORE, SO YOU CAN ANSWER TOMORROW IF YOU NEED TO!
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HEY ABDUL!
IF EYE-RAN IS GO GOOD TO EVERYBODY THERE, WHY DON'T YOU EXPLAIN TO US ALL ABOUT THE PERSECUTION OF THE BA'HAI BELIEVERS?
ARE THEY EQUALLY ACCEPTED AS ALL OTHER EYE-RAN PEOPLE?
GOT YOU ON THAT ONE!
IT'S ABOUT TIME FOR YOUR SHIFT AT THE CONVENIENCE STORE, SO YOU CAN ANSWER TOMORROW IF YOU NEED TO!
Get a life. It's funny how i said "people" are good, not "government" and i said i was not I.R supporter. And in the 1960s there were many german immigrants in iran... There is only 300 of them left, i think, not so sure.
I disapprove of anyone getting killed...
BTW: I dont really get your joke... and don't be ashamed of your name. O0
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Why dont you move to israel and be a real jew? ???
Send me the money, Achmed and I will!!!
Why don't you stop polluting the good people of Canada and go home to Iran and serve in Hitler Jr.'s army? Too scared? You should be!!
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And i'm the one being ignorant? Asking questions is being ignorant? Why? And saying yehud is being ignroant? wtf?
And harsh tone, oh maybe for the simple reason the first page was generalizing the iranian people, who have nothing to do with the G-d damn government.
Mr. Iran, I didn't call you ignorant. But since you brought it up, I would have to say that anyone who refers to communism as a Jewish movement fits the description. And I agree with the others in that you use the word Yehud negatively.
The Soviet Union was created in 1917. The Frank Weltner website "Jewwatch" states that 95% of the the commisars, official government people and secret police were Jews.
Has somebody any knowledge on this subject?
As we all know , Frank Weltner views on Jews, are 'a bit biased'.
I understand, he even regards Stalin as a Jew. ;D ;D
I guess you are trying to find out more about the Jews/Israel, and that you tend to resonate the Jew-hating propaganda, where the internet is full off.
Anyway: the bolshevik revolution happened, because the Germans send Lenin to Sint-Petersburg in a panzer train, in order to declare to get Russia out of the war , and so to facilitate Germany, leaving one front less to fight.
I dont really believe staling was a jew, he is supposedly to be of indo-caucasus and indo-iranian back ground; georgian and ossestian, but he was called a jew for supporting and "installing" communism and to make "georgians" not shown as "bad" people. Basically "scape-goat action".
Well, good we agree on this. I just mention Stalin (not a Jew), because you started yesterday with Marx-Marxism being a Jewish ideology - political system.
Most members here wanted to ban right away.
I think you are welcome here, since you sound Persian and patriottic to me, but don't care (or hate!?) the Shiite government.
I have nothing against Persians that are anti-muslim.
You are a smart people, most Iranians I met, were much more clever then the average European. And I hope Iran/Persia can have a bright future, as e.g. India, when all ayatollahs are lined up and burned in mass graves with pigs intestines.
At least, that is what I hope.
Do you share that idea? Or don't you really care about the future of your ancestres country?
I understand you are not believing in the existence of a GOd, but I suppose that you find some rules like "you shall honour your parents, you shall not kill" as important.
Were/Are your parents/Family lower/middle/high class in Iran
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Why dont you move to israel and be a real jew? ???
Send me the money, Achmed and I will!!!
Why don't you stop polluting the good people of Canada and go home to Iran and serve in Hitler Jr.'s army? Too scared? You should be!!
Yea, whatever loser. :)
BTW: Why are you giving me a jewish name? My name starts with "peh" btw..
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Why dont you move to israel and be a real jew? ???
Send me the money, Achmed and I will!!!
Why don't you stop polluting the good people of Canada and go home to Iran and serve in Hitler Jr.'s army? Too scared? You should be!!
Yea, whatever loser. :)
BTW: Why are you giving me a jewish name? My name starts with "peh" btw..
Let's stop this nonsense. You choose Khashayarsha as your name here "Xerxes" in Greek.
I can live with that. For me anti-Islamic Patriottic Iranians are welcome here on the forum.
If you can refine our ideas on Iran, we can only get stronger.
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Yea, whatever loser. :)
I believe personal insults are against the rules of the forum. ;) Obviously, I don't know your name, so I just call you by your fellow Iranian's name. Maybe you prefer to be called Muhammed? I don't really care. It's obvious you joined this forum to pick fights with people and to try to spread your conspiracy theorist agenda. Unfortunately, you will find little support for your ignorance here.
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Yea, whatever loser. :)
I believe personal insults are against the rules of the forum. ;) Obviously, I don't know your name, so I just call you by your fellow Iranian's name. Maybe you prefer to be called Muhammed? I don't really care. It's obvious you joined this forum to pick fights with people and to try to spread your conspiracy theorist agenda. Unfortunately, you will find little support for your ignorance here.
Um pick fight? I came here for questions, you're the one "picking" the fights... I wasn't even the one that brought up the 9/11... I said what i think, and i said it, im not going to be a shy pansy and say what you want me to say, freedom of speech remember? You're obviously abusing it and again "whatever".
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And i'm the one being ignorant? Asking questions is being ignorant? Why? And saying yehud is being ignroant? wtf?
And harsh tone, oh maybe for the simple reason the first page was generalizing the iranian people, who have nothing to do with the G-d damn government.
Mr. Iran, I didn't call you ignorant. But since you brought it up, I would have to say that anyone who refers to communism as a Jewish movement fits the description. And I agree with the others in that you use the word Yehud negatively.
The Soviet Union was created in 1917. The Frank Weltner website "Jewwatch" states that 95% of the the commisars, official government people and secret police were Jews.
Has somebody any knowledge on this subject?
As we all know , Frank Weltner views on Jews, are 'a bit biased'.
I understand, he even regards Stalin as a Jew. ;D ;D
I guess you are trying to find out more about the Jews/Israel, and that you tend to resonate the Jew-hating propaganda, where the internet is full off.
Anyway: the bolshevik revolution happened, because the Germans send Lenin to Sint-Petersburg in a panzer train, in order to declare to get Russia out of the war , and so to facilitate Germany, leaving one front less to fight.
I dont really believe staling was a jew, he is supposedly to be of indo-caucasus and indo-iranian back ground; georgian and ossestian, but he was called a jew for supporting and "installing" communism and to make "georgians" not shown as "bad" people. Basically "scape-goat action".
Well, good we agree on this. I just mention Stalin (not a Jew), because you started yesterday with Marx-Marxism being a Jewish ideology - political system.
Most members here wanted to ban right away.
I think you are welcome here, since you sound Persian and patriottic to me, but don't care (or hate!?) the Shiite government.
I have nothing against Persians that are anti-muslim.
You are a smart people, most Iranians I met, were much more clever then the average European. And I hope Iran/Persia can have a bright future, as e.g. India, when all ayatollahs are lined up and burned in mass graves with pigs intestines.
At least, that is what I hope.
Do you share that idea? Or don't you really care about the future of your ancestres country?
I understand you are not believing in the existence of a G-d, but I suppose that you find some rules like "you shall honour your parents, you shall not kill" as important.
Were/Are your parents/Family lower/middle/high class in Iran
Obviously i share that idea, Persian nationalist.
I didn't really say "communism" "is/was" a "jewish" ideology, i was trying to say the only "government" made by a "jew" was "communism" so i just say communism.. Dont take this crazy... I already know "communism" is not support of jews. So, sorry.
Both parents are from Esphahan background, like i said early. Well my cousins/family in iran are mainly "middle to high" class, and some cousins who take it the "easy" way of life, and live on the plateaus.
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So this site is against arabs, communists, even though the creator of communism was a jew, and what else?
Sorry I had to get involved here. I think it is unfortunate that Khashayarsha was confronted so forcefully when he first came on. I haven't read all of his threads. It seems to me that he was confronted when he stated his views of 911. He's not the only one that thinks 911 was highly questionable as too the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions.
http://www.chuckcoppes.com/images/stories/petrodollar_warfare_and_collapse_of_us_dollar_imperialism-special_report.pdf
My specific arguement/debate with this fellow is his statement that "the creator of Communism was a Jew...". I directly challenge this fellow to research the subject and include such names as François-Marie Arouet (1694 – 1778), Jean-Jacques Rousseau (1712 – 1778), Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel (1770 – 1831), Robert Owen (1771-1858), Charles Fourier (1772-1837), Thomas Taylor (1758 - 1835) Saint/Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535) and his book "Utopia", Saint Ignatius of Loyola (1491 – 1556) and the Jesuit Utopia in Paraguay, Plotinus (AD 204–270) or Plato (428/427 B.C.E.– 348/347 B.C.E.) and his "Republic". ALL are non-Jews. ALL before Karl Marx, who subsequently converted out of Judaism at a young age to Christianity. Game, set, match........Jews did not invent Communism!
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Obviously i share that idea, Persian nationalist.
Good. I am a Flemish nationalist. The Jews here Jewish Nationalists.
I'd like to help the Persians to get rid of the Arab problem (Islam)
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So this site is against arabs, communists, even though the creator of communism was a jew, and what else?
Sorry I had to get involved here. I think it is unfortunate that Khashayarsha was confronted so forcefully when he first came on. I haven't read all of his threads. It seems to me that he was confronted when he stated his views of 911. He's not the only one that thinks 911 was highly questionable as too the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions.
http://www.chuckcoppes.com/images/stories/petrodollar_warfare_and_collapse_of_us_dollar_imperialism-special_report.pdf
My specific arguement/debate with this fellow is his statement that a Jew "invented communism". I directly challenge this fellow to research the subject and include such names as François-Marie Arouet (1694 – 1778), Jean-Jacques Rousseau (1712 – 1778), Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel (1770 – 1831), Robert Owen (1771-1858), Charles Fourier (1772-1837), Thomas Taylor (1758 - 1835) Saint/Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535) and his book "Utopia", Saint Ignatius of Loyola (1491 – 1556) and the Jesuit Utopia in Paraguay, Plotinus (AD 204–270) or Plato Plato (428/427 B.C.E.– 348/347 B.C.E.) and his "Republic". ALL are non-Jews. ALL before Karl Marx, who subsequently converted out of Judaism at a young age to Christianity. Game, set, match........Jews did not invent Communism![/b]
I get your point, i accept. I'm just saying he is a "jew" ethnicity wise, in your book he is not. I accept it.
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Welcome to the forum Khashayarsha, I hope you hang around here, enrich your knowledge and ours too.
I didn't really say "communism" "is/was" a "jewish" ideology, i was trying to say the only "government" made by a "jew" was "communism" so i just say communism.. Dont take this crazy... I already know "communism" is not support of jews. So, sorry.
In your question above, I believe you assume that there has never been a Jewish government. The only place ever had or will have a Jewish government is the land of Israel, any "Jew" trying to install a government on foreign soil is acting against Judaism and Jews.
We had a Jewish government- we had it in the days of Joshua, The Judges,King David and his hair until the Babylonian exile in 512BC. We had it again, first we had autonomy in Judea granted to us by YOUR SHAHA OF PERSIA CYRUS THE GREAT, later we had sovereignty under the Hashmonai Dinasty. Then came roman occupation and exile...
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This fellow is ok. I see he is thinking. Anyone who is a thinking individual is ok in my book. O0 Under Jewish Law "Halacha" Karl Marx would still be a Jew albeit not at all involved with his Jewishness nor any of Judaism.
My point was to display that it is a distortion of historical fact to solely place Communism on the shoulders of one man: Karl Marx, due to him being of Jewish roots, while not affording half of the credit to his partner Engles. Sure he is afforded the title of "Father of modern Communism" while the ideology has been around since the dawn of time under varius titles and promulgated by various "thinkers" of various ethnic, cultural or "religious" origins..
;)
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Welcome to the forum Khashayarsha, I hope you hang around here, enrich your knowledge and ours too.
I didn't really say "communism" "is/was" a "jewish" ideology, i was trying to say the only "government" made by a "jew" was "communism" so i just say communism.. Dont take this crazy... I already know "communism" is not support of jews. So, sorry.
In your question above, I believe you assume that there has never been a Jewish government. The only place ever had or will have a Jewish government is the land of Israel, any "Jew" trying to install a government on foreign soil is acting against Judaism and Jews.
We had a Jewish government- we had it in the days of Joshua, The Judges,King David and his hair until the Babylonian exile in 512BC. We had it again, first we had autonomy in Judea granted to us by YOUR SHAHA OF PERSIA CYRUS THE GREAT, later we had sovereignty under the Hashmonai Dinasty. Then came roman occupation and exile...
I'm guessing Jewish "government" was some type of monarchy with influences of the torah? And have the Jews ever enslaved anyone in their empire? Just asking.
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This fellow is ok. I see he is thinking. Anyone who is a thinking individual is ok in my book. O0 Under Jewish Law "Halacha" Karl Marx would still be a Jew albeit not at all involved with his Jewishness nor any of Judaism.
My point was to display that it is a distortion of historical fact to solely place Communism on the shoulders of one man: Karl Marx, due to him being of Jewish roots, while not affording half of the credit to his partner Engles. Sure he is afforded the title of "Father of modern Communism" while the ideology has been around since the dawn of time under varius titles and promulgated by various "thinkers" of various ethnic, cultural or "religious" origins..
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Thanks for replying and this is what i was looking for.
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So this site is against arabs, communists, even though the creator of communism was a jew, and what else?
Sorry I had to get involved here. I think it is unfortunate that Khashayarsha was confronted so forcefully when he first came on. I haven't read all of his threads. It seems to me that he was confronted when he stated his views of 911. He's not the only one that thinks 911 was highly questionable as too the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions.
http://www.chuckcoppes.com/images/stories/petrodollar_warfare_and_collapse_of_us_dollar_imperialism-special_report.pdf
My specific arguement/debate with this fellow is his statement that "the creator of Communism was a Jew...". I directly challenge this fellow to research the subject and include such names as François-Marie Arouet (1694 – 1778), Jean-Jacques Rousseau (1712 – 1778), Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel (1770 – 1831), Robert Owen (1771-1858), Charles Fourier (1772-1837), Thomas Taylor (1758 - 1835) Saint/Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535) and his book "Utopia", Saint Ignatius of Loyola (1491 – 1556) and the Jesuit Utopia in Paraguay, Plotinus (AD 204–270) or Plato (428/427 B.C.E.– 348/347 B.C.E.) and his "Republic". ALL are non-Jews. ALL before Karl Marx, who subsequently converted out of Judaism at a young age to Christianity. Game, set, match........Jews did not invent Communism!
Good points Mar-Zutra!
The most important among this people is in my oppinion Thomas Morus.
In my oppinion Communism is a Christian heresy.
There are some quotes from the Gospels that can - out of context - justify Communism. But if you read the context you see clearly that Communism is a heresy.
If you live in a christian community like the Hutterites there is only limited or no private property. This is no heresie, because everybody, who joins do it freely and the community ownes property in order to give the members of it according to their needs. In the apostles story you find the souces to this.
Communism is totally different.
In communism the state robs your property. This is according to the bible a sin. To give it freely for a good cause is a good deed and you minimize the spiritual seductions of wealth.
In addition to that Communisms goal is to create the paradise on earth. This is also a sin.
The most Jews who joined in the first time of the UDSSR did it, because they want assimilate and Communisms promise is to make all people equal. This was a terrible mistake.
All what Communism promises will not happen, before the Messias will arrive. I believe it will be the second time, you the first, but before this will never be a perfect world and all people who say this
llike Muzzies do too - They try to bring back the in their eyes perfect society of the so called prophet of Islam and his Sahaba
will only bring terrible horrors over the whole human race and no redemption.
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So this site is against arabs, communists, even though the creator of communism was a jew, and what else?
Sorry I had to get involved here. I think it is unfortunate that Khashayarsha was confronted so forcefully when he first came on. I haven't read all of his threads. It seems to me that he was confronted when he stated his views of 911. He's not the only one that thinks 911 was highly questionable as too the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions.
http://www.chuckcoppes.com/images/stories/petrodollar_warfare_and_collapse_of_us_dollar_imperialism-special_report.pdf
My specific arguement/debate with this fellow is his statement that "the creator of Communism was a Jew...". I directly challenge this fellow to research the subject and include such names as François-Marie Arouet (1694 – 1778), Jean-Jacques Rousseau (1712 – 1778), Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel (1770 – 1831), Robert Owen (1771-1858), Charles Fourier (1772-1837), Thomas Taylor (1758 - 1835) Saint/Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535) and his book "Utopia", Saint Ignatius of Loyola (1491 – 1556) and the Jesuit Utopia in Paraguay, Plotinus (AD 204–270) or Plato (428/427 B.C.E.– 348/347 B.C.E.) and his "Republic". ALL are non-Jews. ALL before Karl Marx, who subsequently converted out of Judaism at a young age to Christianity. Game, set, match........Jews did not invent Communism!
Good points Mar-Zutra!
The most important among this people is in my oppinion Thomas Morus.
In my oppinion Communism is a Christian heresy.
There are some quotes from the Gospels that can - out of context - justify Communism. But if you read the context you see clearly that Communism is a heresy.
If you live in a christian community like the Hutterites there is only limited or no private property. This is no heresie, because everybody, who joins do it freely and the community ownes property in order to give the members of it according to their needs. In the apostles story you find the souces to this.
Communism is totally different.
In communism the state robs your property. This is according to the bible a sin. To give it freely for a good cause is a good deed and you minimize the spiritual seductions of wealth.
In addition to that Communisms goal is to create the paradise on earth. This is also a sin.
The most Jews who joined in the first time of the UDSSR did it, because they want assimilate and Communisms promise is to make all people equal. This was a terrible mistake.
All what Communism promises will not happen, before the Messias will arrive. I believe it will be the second time, you the first, but before this will never be a perfect world and all people who say this
llike Muzzies do too - They try to bring back the in their eyes perfect society of the so called prophet of Islam and his Sahaba
will only bring terrible horrors over the whole human race and no redemption.
do you guys have a propaganda thread? So i can read more on the crap that jews are blamed on?
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Good points Golden. I think you will be thoroughly impressed/depressed when reading about the Jesuit Commune in Paraguay...
Now Khashayarsha, under Judaism the kingdom is that of a Monarchy governed under moral law. There are courts of law called SanHedrin which hear various legal cases and passes judgement.
To my understaning there wasn't really ever a Jewish Empire as I do not believe in the entirety of history of Israel the peoples never attempted to invade any other lands other than those designated to them in the Torah to Abraham about 2000BCE.
Did they have slaves, yes. But slavery under Jewish law is VERY different than that of slavery under Egyptians, Persians, Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, "Dhimmi" under Islam, American/Britian or under Stalin/Mao/Castro/Pal Pot's Communism. Actually, the biblical position but more so the Talmudic teachings lie at the base of Western ideological specificities of what now is known as "Human Rights". Slaves had rights under their Jewish masters. Usually one didn't come into slavery via conquest but via debt. A Jew could be a "slave" to another Jew and is released until he/filled his obligations.
....I'd pose these specific questions to Lubab or Nik for more accurate examples...
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The Jews are blamed for everything from "Global Warming" to the extinction of the dinosaurs.... ???
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Good points Golden. I think you will be thoroughly impressed/depressed when reading about the Jesuit Commune in Paraguay...
Now Khashayarsha, under Judaism the kingdom is that of a Monarchy governed under moral law. There are courts of law called SanHedrin which hear various legal cases and passes judgement.
To my understaning there wasn't really ever a Jewish Empire as I do not believe in the entirety of history of Israel the peoples never attempted to invade any other lands other than those designated to them in the Torah to Abraham about 2000BCE.
Did they have slaves, yes. But slavery under Jewish law is VERY different than that of slavery under Egyptians, Persians, Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, "Dhimmi" under Islam, American/Britian or under Stalin/Mao/Castro/Pal Pot's Communism. Actually, the biblical position but more so the Talmudic teachings lie at the base of Western ideological specificities of what now is known as "Human Rights". Slaves had rights under their Jewish masters. Usually one didn't come into slavery via conquest but via debt. A Jew could be a "slave" to another Jew and is released until he/filled his obligations.
....I'd pose these specific questions to Lubab or Nik for more accurate examples...
Persians didn't have "slavery", unless getting paid is also slavery? Slavery started in iran/persia by the arabs of 800 and the mongol/turkics in 1220.
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do you guys have a propaganda thread? So i can read more on the crap that jews are blamed on?
http://jtf.org/issues.php
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The Jews are blamed for everything from "Global Warming" to the extinction of the dinosaurs.... ???
lol. Something serious maybe? O0
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Mar Zutra is slavery under jewish law more like peonage than real slavery?
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Mar Zutra is slavery under jewish law more like peonage than real slavery?
An example of slavery in the days of ancient Israel would be you owing me money and working in my back yard building a deck that would be valued at a similar value to the amount owed. Once the debt/labor is complete the slave is to be freed. There, of course, are different examples of slavery and of different sevarity. This is where Nik or Lubab would be better able to explain it.
Persian Slavery. Ok, I've learned something new. I've always thought that Ancient Persia under, say Xerxes, had slaves. One learns something new every day.
To khashayarsha read up on "blood libels". The Jew is blamed for kidnapping Christian children to use their blood for Passover Matza. One look at the Torah (Bible) with numerous examples in Leviticus specifically outlines the impossiblities of this to be even remotely true but the Jew haters will promulgate this to be "fact".
Another example is that of a "Jewish World Conspiracy" as specified by a Russian/French Forgery called "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion". Again, another look at the Torah/Bible, quickly dispels this theory to be rubbish. Judaism is highly individual and anti-Communalist. Judaism is highly nationalistic and not internatioanlistic. Again a fraud if any of these Jew haters would even attept to read "Dialogue in Hell" by Maurice Joly, the French political/satire novel written about Napoleon which the Protocols were directly plagairized from....
Anything else...simply do a quick google search and you'll get all the wack job conspiracy nutters blaming everything on the Jew...
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Mar Zutra is slavery under jewish law more like peonage than real slavery?
An example of slavery in the days of ancient Israel would be you owing me money and working in my back yard building a deck that would be valued at a similar value to the amount owed. Once the debt/labor is complete the slave is to be freed. There, of course, are different examples of slavery and of different sevarity. This is where Nik or Lubab would be better able to explain it.
Persian Slavery. Ok, I've learned something new. I've always thought that Ancient Persia under, say Xerxes, had slaves. One learns something new every day.
To khashayarsha read up on "blood libels". The Jew is blamed for kidnapping Christian children to use their blood for Passover Matza. One look at the Torah (Bible) with numerous examples in Leviticus specifically outlines the impossiblities of this to be even remotely true but the Jew haters will promulgate this to be "fact".
Another example is that of a "Jewish World Conspiracy" as specified by a Russian/French Forgery called "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion". Again, another look at the Torah/Bible, quickly dispels this theory to be rubbish. Judaism is highly individual and anti-Communalist. Judaism is highly nationalistic and not internatioanlistic. Again a fraud if any of these Jew haters would even attept to read "Dialogue in Hell" by Maurice Joly, the French political/satire novel written about Napoleon which the Protocols were directly plagairized from....
Anything else...simply do a quick google search and you'll get all the wack job conspiracy nutters blaming everything on the Jew...
Conscription is not slavery, and persian monothestic religion; zoroastrianism disagrees with slavery and the "charter of rights" by kurous (cyrus) also disagrees with slavery.
I will google it now.
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Are you sure you're not a Muslim?
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Are you sure you're not a Muslim?
lol? :D I'm not even going to answer, lmao, it has been answer over 5 times, i think.
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I think I understand the Jewish concept of slavery. Basically it is debt bondage. :)
@Khashayarsha
Perhaps Iran without Islam has the potential to be a great high culture again. :)
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I think I understand the Jewish concept of slavery. Basically it is debt bondage. :)
@Khashayarsha
Perhaps Iran without Islam has the potential to be a great high culture again. :)
Yes, very true. I don't know if you believe but i know most iranians are not "muslims" and only say it to have "rights"... Like i said everyone that i met in iran and family members broke atleast 4 laws/sins and do not pray at all.
It doesn't even make sense also, so many iranians celebrate many "pagan" celebrations, isn't that against islam?
In the 1950s there were so many alcohol productions, so how do iranian people go islamic crazy in 20 years?
I.R is BS, it is ran by these monkeys, Khomeini who started and the guy on the right who is irans real "dictator"; "Ali Khamenei" and their the ones causing the genocide of iranian culture:
(http://www.olivetree.org/Mullah%20Land.jpg)
But please don't say it's the people. I.R has nothing to do with the people. My father went to political jail for 1 month when he was 16 for creating posters against islam and its unfairness, was also beaten.
And if a party you search for iranian nationalist and says anti-semitic, it doesn't mean jews... It means arabs, arab "culture", and islam.
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I did not know that about Zoastar or that under Cyrus. Can you recommend any good books on The History of Persia? I've read much on the early Babylonian Code King Hammurabi 1760 B.C.E. and a bit on the earlier collections of laws including the codex of Ur-Nammu, king of Ur (ca. 2050 B.C.E.), the Codex of Eshnunna (ca. 1930 B.C.E.) and the codex of Lipit-Ishtar of Isin (ca. 1870 B.C.E.) while in Law School and under some personal research. Much of base logic is also found in the Talmudic and Torah Teachings albeit expounded upon and basically free of all earlier pagan teachings/ideological specificities.
I believe that all of the "Liberalities" within the Iran you speak of with respect to alchohol and "freedom" was under the Shah no?
Again one learns new things each day....
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I did not know that about Zoastar or that under Cyrus. Can you recommend any good books on The History of Persia? I've read much on the early Babylonian Code King Hammurabi 1760 B.C.E. and a bit on the earlier collections of laws including the codex of Ur-Nammu, king of Ur (ca. 2050 B.C.E.), the Codex of Eshnunna (ca. 1930 B.C.E.) and the codex of Lipit-Ishtar of Isin (ca. 1870 B.C.E.) while in Law School and under some personal research. Much of base logic is also found in the Talmudic and Torah Teachings albeit expounded upon and basically free of all earlier pagan teachings/ideological specificities.
I believe that all of the "Liberalities" within the Iran you speak of with respect to alchohol and "freedom" was under the Shah no?
Again one learns new things each day....
History of persia books are hard to get, i haven't found anything "incredible". Most of the time it just talks about the greco-persian wars, and the spread of islam... And a bit about the monotheistic religion of iran.
I say the net is the best; wikipedia.
Just watch out for pan-turks that call almost everything turk... They are retarded, and have a IQ of -10. Also the oslonor blog is just BS, ignore it.
BTW: I, myself are looking for books with good info also...
Yes shah... But some reason shah was a "nazi" towards iranian and a "westernizer", and killing persian roots lmao. I.Rs say such lies. It's funny how ee modernized so many things from cities, cultures, making islam minorty, then retard diaper head comes along...
I.Rs also state that he commit "genocide"... Funny how he killed people who were islamists (yay), marxists (yay). Whereas Khomeini who has killed around 30 000 pro-iranians! Pfft he commit the real genocide towards iranians.
There is a movie, if it ever comes out... called "In Search of Cyrus The Great". It looks pretty good, but for some reason it is taking forever for it to come out...
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Ok. I will search something on Amazon. The situation of the Shah is very interesting to tell you the truth. I've read much on that subject and his downfall, largely due to the CFR, Jimmy Carter Administration and the good ol-State Department.
If you should desire any good readings on various subjects I'll be glad to suggest and I'm sure MassuhD will put forward his knowledge in suggestions as well...
I will keep my eye out for that film... :)
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Do you think, that it is possible to overthrow the current dictators in Iran?
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Do you think, that it is possible to overthrow the current dictators in Iran?
Yes, but not at this very moment, sadly.
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Do you think, that it is possible to overthrow the current dictators in Iran?
Yes, but not at this very moment, sadly.
Well, it is positive, that you informed us about the religious situation. How would the Irani People react if the USA or Israel would declare war?
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Ok. I will search something on Amazon. The situation of the Shah is very interesting to tell you the truth. I've read much on that subject and his downfall, largely due to the CFR, Jimmy Carter Administration and the good ol-State Department.
If you should desire any good readings on various subjects I'll be glad to suggest and I'm sure MassuhD will put forward his knowledge in suggestions as well...
I will keep my eye out for that film... :)
Thanks, i have more questions/desires in good readings , but i'll ask them later.
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Do you think, that it is possible to overthrow the current dictators in Iran?
Yes, but not at this very moment, sadly.
Well, it is positive, that you informed us about the religious situation. How would the Irani People react if the USA or Israel would declare war?
I'm positive...
I really don't want to go to war, because for sure this will be WW3. Israel/America declares war on iran, russia declares war on U.S, Turkey declares war on Iran, Armenia will probably go on iran's side and declare war on turkey, Korea will declare war, and then it will just be end of the world...
Second iranian people for sure will go anti-jew, anti-american and fall back to the start of I.R...
But i don't think war will be declared, since america has lost 1.5 trillion dollars, too many people are against Israel and the "axis" side has way more "power"...
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I hope no offense, but if Iran, Syria or any other of their dozens of Islamic states (or Communist nations for that matter) were to truly be a threat to Israel I'd hope to awake to a toxic creator....in a thousand years to be re-named "Lake Persia"...
Funny, Israel has never threatened or made war on anyone but it is the only one that is daily made war on both militarily and via media manipulations....
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I hope no offense, but if Iran, Syria or any other of their dozens of Islamic states (or Communist nations for that matter) were to truly be a threat to Israel I'd hope to awake to a toxic creator....in a thousand years to be re-named "Lake Persia"...
Funny, Israel has never threatened or made war on anyone but it is the only one that is daily made war on both militarily and via media manipulations....
lol. Lake persia would be pretty big. :D
Anyways how about israeli/palestinia.n violence? And the U.S/israeli alliance talking about declaring war??
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Ok. I firmly believe in factual correctness and not "political correctness" which was coined in 1929 by Joseph Stalin. That said, I do not believe in revisionist history. There are no "Pal-estinians": Christian, Jew or Muslim. Those claiming, or fraudulantly labled thus are Arabs.
The term itself is fraudulant and anti-semitic at base from its historical connections to Roman occupation, genocide and expulsion of the Jews. "P-lestine" finds its base in Hebrew for "Philistine" which means "Invader".
"P-lestine" was neither in this Earth's long history an independantly functioning entity, state, country nor nation thus confirming this revisionist fraud. Jews were in Babylon, Cairo, Damascus and Tehran hundreds or even a thousand years before Islam was even created.
"P-lestinians" are never mentioned in any historical text nor cultural writing stemming from antiquity to 1964. If one uses the turm "P-lestinians" there must not be Jews as Judea is the exact same geographical plot as "P-lestine". If one uses "Pale-stine" one might as well wipe Jerusalem as well out of the history books and bring back the Hadrianic lable "Ael Capitalona".
Moses, David, Jesus, Josephus, Philo, the Persian, Egyptian, Babylonian, Assyrian, Hittite or Greek Kings never knew any "P-lestinian People". None are mentioned within the Bible nor the New Testament. Hell, Mohammad didn't know or write of any...nor did he write of Jerusalem nor any other town in "P-lestine". P-lestine was simply a nominal province under the Roman empire's occupation which attempted to "Erase the memory" of the Jews from History as a result of the Jewish Revolt as dictated by Josephus....
These Arabs flooded into "P-lestine" in between 1880 and 1930 during the Jewish "nation" building era for a job or to rape the Jew of its welfare system.... similarly how they are flooding into Europe and America today.
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PS: Israel could end this shame of a "conflict" in about a week by finishing the Arab initiated population transfer back to any of their 22 Arab nations or their dozens of Islamic States which compose about 1/4 of the entire Earth's surface...
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Ok. I firmly believe in factual correctness and not "political correctness" which was coined in 1929 by Joseph Stalin. That said, I do not believe in revisionist history. There are no "Pal-estinians": Christian, Jew or Muslim. Those claiming, or fraudulantly labled thus are Arabs.
The term itself is fraudulant and anti-semitic at base from its historical connections to Roman occupation, genocide and expulsion of the Jews. "P-lestine" finds its base in Hebrew for "Philistine" which means "Invader".
"P-lestine" was neither in this Earth's long history an independantly functioning entity, state, country nor nation thus confirming this revisionist fraud. Jews were in Babylon, Cairo, Damascus and Tehran hundreds or even a thousand years before Islam was even created.
"P-lestinians" are never mentioned in any historical text nor cultural writing stemming from antiquity to 1964. If one uses the turm "P-lestinians" there must not be Jews as Judea is the exact same geographical plot as "P-lestine". If one uses "Pale-stine" one might as well wipe Jerusalem as well out of the history books and bring back the Hadrianic lable "Ael Capitalona".
Moses, David, Jesus, Josephus, Philo, the Persian, Babylonian, Assyrian, Hittite or Greek Kings ever knew any "P-lestinian People". None are mentioned within the Bible nor the New Testament. Hell, Mohammad didn't know or write of any...nor did he write of Jerusalem nor any other town in "P-lestine". Eretz Yisrael was simple a nominal provice under the Roman empire which attempted to "Erase the memory" of the Jews from History as a result of the Jewish Revolt as dictated by Josephus....
These Arabs flooded into "P-lestine" in between 1880 and 1930 during the Jewish "nation" building era for a job or to rape the Jew of its welfare system.... similarly how they are flooding into Europe and America today.
Thanks. 1 question, are some "P-lestine" jewish converts? or "arab'nized" jews? And i get the issue that there is no such thing as "palestin.e" or "p-lestine" same with the term "turk". No such thing as turks in 500bc, 100 b.c, 200 a,d or 600 ad, in asia minor, iran, caucasia or anywhere else in west asia.
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I would imagine there were a few converts over the long history, but the modern revisionisms promulated as "P-alestinains" are Muslims from the surrounding Arab lands like Syria, "Lebanon", Egypt, Iraq etc. All of the surrounding dictators: Assad, Hussein, Faruk, Nasser and even Golda Meir and I believe Araft himself are on record saying that the "Palestin-ians" do not exist....
When you say "Arabianized" Jews you refer to the Sephardim. Sephardim literally means "Spanish" Jews. These are the Jews that have spent millenia under Islamic "dhimmi" status and have lived in the Arabian/Islamic World for hundreds of years before Islam, many from 586BCE (Babylonian Invasion of Israel) and most specifically 136AD (Roman invasion distruction of Judea).
If you go to google video and look for "Forgotton Refugees": http://www.theforgottenrefugees.com/ you will learn much about this forgotten aspect of Jewish "Arabianized" history... ;)
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I would imagine there were a few converts over the long history, but the modern revisionisms promulated as "P-alestinains" are Muslims from the surrounding Arab lands like Syria, "Lebanon", Egypt, Iraq etc. All of the surrounding dictators: Assad, Hussein, Faruk, Nasser and even Golda Meir and I believe Araft himself are on record saying that the "Palestin-ians" do not exist....
When you say "Arabianized" Jews you refer to the Sefaradim. Sefaradim literally means "Spanish" Jews. These are the Jews that have spent millenia under Islamic "dhimmi" status and have lived in the Arabian/Islamic World for hundreds of years before Islam, many from 586BCE (Babylonian Invasion of Israel) and most specifically 136AD (Roman invasion distruction of Judea).
If you go to google video and look for "Forgotton Refugees": http://www.theforgottenrefugees.com/ you will learn much about this forgotten aspect of Jewish "Arabianized" history... ;)
Thank you very much, will look into this more.
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No worries.. I'm glad to be of service. Should you come accross a credible book on Persian History, please feel free to relay the title... :) Interesting about the Turks... Another aspect of history I've newly learned O0
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I woried woried in the start, but you seems to be OK for now. many Iranians I know are converting back to zaratustranism or into Christianity are you planining to do so? Are you supporter of HAMSA or SUMKA?
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I woried woried in the start, but you seems to be OK for now. many Iranians I know are converting back to zaratustranism or into Christianity are you planining to do so? Are you supporter of HAMSA or SUMKA?
Hamsa? I'm not sure what it is?
Im confused with the group Sumka, however i do support their main idea; A Free Iran. Although they have bits of pieces that i dont support or just doesn't make sense.
As for religion, no.
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Hi Khashayarsha, welcome to the forum!
Your conversation with MarZutra brought up many valuable points. O0
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Shalom
well.... nice to be a comrade to the jewish task force. as a noachide here in the Philippnes we create a Filipino task force movement to fight terrorist and communist.and we create a political party to run the race in the congress this coming 2010 election.if G-d willing we win the congress we make a law in the congress to impose the Noachide laws.we are hoping the support of the Jews and Noachide
STOP SPAMMING
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Shalom
well.... nice to be a comrade to the jewish task force. as a noachide here in the Philippnes we create a Filipino task force movement to fight terrorist and communist.and we create a political party to run the race in the congress this coming 2010 election.if G-d willing we win the congress we make a law in the congress to impose the Noachide laws.we are hoping the support of the Jews and Noachide
STOP SPAMMING
just to clarify.
his post is spam, he has posted the same post about 10 times already.
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Shalom
well.... nice to be a comrade to the jewish task force. as a noachide here in the Philippnes we create a Filipino task force movement to fight terrorist and communist.and we create a political party to run the race in the congress this coming 2010 election.if G-d willing we win the congress we make a law in the congress to impose the Noachide laws.we are hoping the support of the Jews and Noachide
STOP SPAMMING
just to clarify.
his post is spam, he has posted the same post about 10 times already.
I think he was banned
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Shalom
well.... nice to be a comrade to the jewish task force. as a noachide here in the Philippnes we create a Filipino task force movement to fight terrorist and communist.and we create a political party to run the race in the congress this coming 2010 election.if G-d willing we win the congress we make a law in the congress to impose the Noachide laws.we are hoping the support of the Jews and Noachide
STOP SPAMMING
just to clarify.
his post is spam, he has posted the same post about 10 times already.
for what purpose did he do it?! ???
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Shalom
well.... nice to be a comrade to the jewish task force. as a noachide here in the Philippnes we create a Filipino task force movement to fight terrorist and communist.and we create a political party to run the race in the congress this coming 2010 election.if G-d willing we win the congress we make a law in the congress to impose the Noachide laws.we are hoping the support of the Jews and Noachide
STOP SPAMMING
just to clarify.
his post is spam, he has posted the same post about 10 times already.
for what purpose did he do it?! ???
he might just be promoting himself
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Oh wait your jew and can say anything you want right? huh?
You have pent up hostility against Jews.
And i bet if show a picture of a israeli savagely beating up a pale.stin..ian i would get banned? O0
Showing a picture of an Israeli 'savagely beating up' a Fakestinian, would accomplish what exactly? That the iranian regime is free to do whatever it wants to any group of people, including bahai only because of their bahai faith, just because you perceive Israel as "oppressing Fakestinians?"
You are subtlely suggesting that Israeli Jews "oppress Fakestinians" just as the Muslims often do in an argument when they cannot make any actual point. Just deflect the discussion and say 'but what about the zionists and what they do to fakestinians!!! You can't complain to me!' Why do you argue in this way?
SHow me that jews are getting killed lmao.
There WERE Jews that got killed who were suspected of being "Spies" for Israel, years ago. There was not proof of this, and they were trumped up charges. It was an international incident of sorts. It caused many Jews to flee the country fearing for their lives. As did many after the revolution. They had good reason to be afraid and good reason to leave.
Jews may be ok for now in Iran, but the Iranian regime wants to slaughter the Jews who live in Israel, so why do you expect me as a Jew to have any sympathy for your sick leaders? They can go to hell.
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The thing is you don't know is that iran is being shown as something even "worse" than it actual is.
Yes. China is the Great Satan.
what?
We're not only anti-muslim, we are also heavily against left-wing big government. Communist China is indeed one of our enemies.
So this site is against arabs, communists, even though the creator of communism was a jew, and what else?
"the creator of communism was a Jew"
And? Your point? Do you have any point? Why do you make such inane comments? If a Jew creates a philosophy, are all Jewish people then required to celebrate it? What if a Jew creates something stupid? Must all Jews say it is 'not stupid' because the jerk who made it was calling himself Jewish? What if a Jew invents a type of poetry, and only 40% of Jews actually like this style, while the rest of Jews think it is bland. WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE THAT THE INVENTOR OF THE STYLE OF POETRY WAS A JEW? I'm obligated to gather round the fire with him cause he's a Jew? We don't worship men. We don't worship philosophies. We worship G-d. Nothing else.
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<<Karl Marx is "Jewish" and not a follower of "Judaism". He is still a jew ethnicity wise. >>
What is your point?
<<So what religion do you believe in? >>
I'm Catholic.
I'm just saying he is a "jew" no matter what religion or politic he believes in.
Just know JTF hates Jews that are communists.
So what type of government are they "cheering" for?
A Jewish one.
Communism is the only jewish government coming to mind? Want to clear it up a bit? And they want this for israel or U.S?
Communism is not a "jewish conspiracy," you moron.
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Jews are indeed openly and actively persecuted in Iran, the Islamic government recently shut down all the Jewish schools.
Yeah, they do. They kill jews, savagely beat them up, go in their faces say the holocaust never happened, and throw them in the dump. You happy? imo.
Seriously no one gives a duck's donkey if you're a jew in iran.
They closed down the schools, because the lack of jews actually intending the schools. Most jews are intending public schools instead. There are still jewish schools in iran. ::)
The Jews who escaped Iran say the opposite of what you claim
That's exactly right.
Some Iranians have a "cyrus the great - complex." They have an obsession with insisting that everyone in Iran is absolutely free and tolerant and not oppressed. To them, Iran is precisely the opposite of oppression, it's a bastion of freedom and anyone who fled for their life from there and claims persecution, be damned, because you are interfering with his persian pride complex. And they make it their business to tell you how free it is too. It's just that free over there. They don't persecute anybody, even if there is an Islamic regime THAT DOES OPERATE contrary to traditional Persian values, their mental reality trumps actual reality. And mental reality in the cyrus the great-complex Iranian says that no Jew was ever persecuted in Iran, ever, in human history, ever, since earth was created.
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The thing is you don't know is that iran is being shown as something even "worse" than it actual is.
Yes. China is the Great Satan.
what?
We're not only anti-muslim, we are also heavily against left-wing big government. Communist China is indeed one of our enemies.
So this site is against arabs, communists, even though the creator of communism was a jew, and what else?
"the creator of communism was a Jew"
And? Your point? Do you have any point? Why do you make such inane comments? If a Jew creates a philosophy, are all Jewish people then required to celebrate it? What if a Jew creates something stupid? Must all Jews say it is 'not stupid' because the jerk who made it was calling himself Jewish? What if a Jew invents a type of poetry, and only 40% of Jews actually like this style, while the rest of Jews think it is bland. WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE THAT THE INVENTOR OF THE STYLE OF POETRY WAS A JEW? I'm obligated to gather round the fire with him cause he's a Jew? We don't worship men. We don't worship philosophies. We worship G-d. Nothing else.
and of course Karl Marx, the jew under discussion, the self-hating jew that is considered founder of socialism - the precursor to communism.
He wrote a book "A world without jews".
He was a proper anti-semite. Not just an anti-religious jew. An Anti-semite/Anti-jew, that happens to be jewish!
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His father converted to christianity and young marx before becoming "prophet" of communsim was writing a poems hailing satan. The greatest comie meneaters like Lenin, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot were not Jewish BTW.