You are supporting Russia because you believe it would benefit Serbia.
.However trying to justify the morality of Russian aggression against Georgia is ridiculous. History hadn't begun in 1917...
. History hadn't begun in 1917...
The truth is that what is now called South Ossetia had been part of the Kingdom of Georgia hundreds of years before the Ossetian came settled that region.
The difference between you and me is that when Israel, or America, or whatever is wrong, I admit that, whereas you will not admit that Russia is ever wrong, at most you are going to blame the communist.
Did you hear Chaim say that it's a mistake for Serbs to solely rely on Russia for support?
I predict that in 2030-2050, there will be a masive exodus of Native Europeans out of West - Europe, because of the civil war with the muslims.Oo how i wish this could be true.
I also predict, that the Russians will restore order in Europe, and fight these muslims out.
I predict that in 2030-2050, there will be a masive exodus of Native Europeans out of West - Europe, because of the civil war with the muslims.This sounds logical if they hadn't lost their balls by then due to the massive dumbing down an "socializing" of their nations which allowed the Mohammadan invasion to begin in the first place.
I also predict, that the Russians will restore order in Europe, and fight these muslims out.
.....I stand divided on this issue. I just hope it turns into a World War where the righteous Americans, Brits, Canadians, Israelis etc. use the opportunity to not only cleanse their nations of the Mohammadan, Turd World, Communist and animalistic drek but the World.
I'm of the opinion that America shouldn't have wasted both bombs on Japan but should have chosen their targets more wisely. One on Tokyo and the other on Moscow....
.....I stand divided on this issue. I just hope it turns into a World War where the righteous Americans, Brits, Canadians, Israelis etc. use the opportunity to not only cleanse their nations of the Mohammadan, Turd World, Communist and animalistic drek but the World.
I predict that in 2030-2050, there will be a masive exodus of Native Europeans out of West - Europe, because of the civil war with the muslims.
I also predict, that the Russians will restore order in Europe, and fight these muslims out.
How can you cleanse the whole world? Is the world yours?No, but it is for the "righteous" and moral people of each Nation, in my opinion, and not their "globalist", "enlightened" and/or Jihadist enemies.
Are you claiming that the US and her allies are the world's officers? Absolutely. The Establisment, even since the days of the British Empire were acting as the "World's Police". Heck even Canada, a non-entity, loves to delve into other nations internal politics... Often America has been charged, labeled and critized as "the Word's Police Man"... This is all a part of the Socialist World Order headed by the Anglo-American Establishment - a book by Clinton's mentor Caroll Quigley... ;)
They do not have the right to conduct ethnic cleansing in other sovereign states.Of course they have no right but through molested media, contorted "facts", and further fabrications touting their aganda...they can and will move: The Iraq War is one when every fact dictated to bomb the Hell out of Saudi Arabia or Iran...not Iraq and some dirt piles on Afghanistan..
We will not allowed that the world's colonization powers, who are responsible for the biological extermination of the natives in America, Africa, Australia and New Sealand, This position I question as it is a very simplistic and guided statement brother...conduct ethnic cleansing on the territory of the Republic of Serbiathis portion I emphatically agree with...as it has been factualized by the Clinton Admin, with aid from both Russia, Britian: NATO and Germany..my sympathies are with you.... We did not allowed Hitler, in 1941, to collect the Yugoslav Jews in order to send them to German death camps. We will also not allowed the today's European and overseas colonialpowers to cleanse even one citizen of the Republic of Serbia.This I agree with but unfortunately Serbia like soon to be Georgia is an "Ally" of the Establishment and not the West persay. The Establishment will swallow up Georgia's, like Serbia's, usefulness and spit them out/abandon them..... This is the outcome of the Establisment's push to a New World Socialist Order....imo...
and NO I'm not Nik.... ;)
The truth is that what is now called South Ossetia had been part of the Kingdom of Georgia hundreds of years before the Ossetian came settled that region.have you got arguments to prove that?
The truth is that what is now called South Ossetia had been part of the Kingdom of Georgia hundreds of years before the Ossetian came settled that region.have you got arguments to prove that?
History
Medieval and early modern period
The Ossetians are originally descendants of Iranian-speaking tribes from Central Asia. They became Christians during the early Middle Ages, under Georgian influence. Under Mongol rule, they were pushed out of their medieval homeland south of the Don river in present-day Russia and part migrated towards and over the Caucasus mountains, to Georgia[9] where they formed three distinct territorial entities. Digor in the west came under the influence of the neighboring Kabard people, who introduced Islam. Tualläg in the south became what is now South Ossetia, part of the historical Georgian principality of Samachablo[10] where Ossetians found refuge from Mongol invaders. Iron in the north became what is now North Ossetia, under Russian rule from 1767. Most Ossetians are now Christian (approximately 61%); there is also a significant Muslim minority.
South Ossetia under Russia and the Soviet Union
The modern-day South Ossetia was annexed by Russia in 1801, along with Georgia proper, and absorbed into the Russian Empire. Following the Russian Revolution, South Ossetia became a part of the Menshevik Georgian Democratic Republic, while the north became a part of the Terek Soviet Republic. The area saw brief clashes between the Georgian governmental forces and Ossetians led by Ossetian and Georgian bolsheviks in 1920. The Soviet Georgian government established by the Russian 11th Red Army in 1921, created the South Ossetian Autonomous Oblast (i.e. district) in April 1922. Although the Ossetians had their own language (Ossetian), Russian and Georgian were administrative/state languages.[11] At present, Russian is the only administrative language[citation needed] used by the separatist government in Tskhinvali. In the Soviet time, under the rule of Georgia's government, it enjoyed some degree of autonomy, including to practice (Ossetian) language and teach it in schools.[12]
How can you cleanse the whole world? Is the world yours?No, but it is for the "righteous" and moral people of each Nation, in my opinion, and not their "globalist", "enlightened" and/or Jihadist enemies.
Are you claiming that the US and her allies are the world's officers? Absolutely. The Establisment, even since the days of the British Empire were acting as the "World's Police". Heck even Canada, a non-entity, loves to delve into other nations internal politics... Often America has been charged, labeled and critized as "the Word's Police Man"... This is all a part of the Socialist World Order headed by the Anglo-American Establishment - a book by Clinton's mentor Caroll Quigley... ;)
They do not have the right to conduct ethnic cleansing in other sovereign states.Of course they have no right but through molested media, contorted "facts", and further fabrications touting their aganda...they can and will move: The Iraq War is one when every fact dictated to bomb the Hell out of Saudi Arabia or Iran...not Iraq and some dirt piles on Afghanistan..
We will not allowed that the world's colonization powers, who are responsible for the biological extermination of the natives in America, Africa, Australia and New Sealand, This position I question as it is a very simplistic and guided statement brother...[/b]conduct ethnic cleansing on the territory of the Republic of Serbiathis portion I emphatically agree with...as it has been factualized by the Clinton Admin, with aid from both Russia, Britian: NATO and Germany..my sympathies are with you.... We did not allowed Hitler, in 1941, to collect the Yugoslav Jews in order to send them to German death camps. We will also not allowed the today's European and overseas colonialpowers to cleanse even one citizen of the Republic of Serbia.This I agree with but unfortunately Serbia like soon to be Georgia is an "Ally" of the Establishment and not the West persay. The Establishment will swallow up Georgia's, like Serbia's, usefulness and spit them out/abandon them..... This is the outcome of the Establisment's push to a New World Socialist Order....imo...
and NO I'm not Nik.... ;)
Brother I know the history of my continant but you must realize that much of the "history" taught today is "history" anti-White "politically correct" revisionisms.
Oj Ameriko sta bi tijela vise, Oj Ameriko sta bi tijela vise ?LOL I only wish I could read that... LOL Good day ;)
Da ti Putin latinicom pise ?
MarZutra,
Do only communists use the word “comrad” ? In today's age, I'd say yes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comrade
I use that word because we people from the Eastern block are use to it. Ok, that is acceptable but here in the West when one uses that word it is overwhelmingly related to the Communist and their movement. ;)
I do not think that only communists call each other “comrad”. Ok. Understood. My apologies....
If I call you comrade that is because of respect and not because of communist intentions. Yofi... perfect
But if you do not want to be associated with that word than I will respect your wish. No worries, I was simply associating it with a sarcastic insult or possible intention that you'd be thinking I'm a Communist. Heck, I had been called a Nazi by some stupid leftist trash that came here... :D
Your last post contents a huge size of text so that my last posts are almost not visible.
Was that done on purpose? No. my apologies. I wanted to post a news article about Georgia from Worldnetdaily...
Biological exterminations and genocide are serious crimes and they can not be justified!I make no attempt to justify any of them. The term "ethnic cleansing" is most often used today, like "racism", totally out of context...
Trying to justify those criminal activities is uncivilized and absurd.I totally agree.
Reading the content of your post I am getting the impression that you are trying to defend the colonial activities of the Europe’s and overseas colonialpowers.In many cases the presentation of these colonial actities are molested and full of fiction over fact. There has always been colonialism, expansionism and empire building from every Empire be it the Egyptians, Hittites, Assyrians, Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Macedonians/Romans, Carthaginians, Mohammadans, Mongols or the Visigoths. All committing attrocities of warfare, slavery, murder, rape etc. Perhaps the worst of all in space and scope were mass attrocities under the Communist regimes of the 20th century followed closely by the Mohammadan expansion since 632. To, perhaps, unjustly focus on Ol-Whitey: Christian Colonist might be questionable especially when directly comparing the outcome pre-and post colonial period.
So, the people from the third world countries, who had faced/ experienced the fatal consequences and the brutality of colonialism, must be thankful to their occupiers? Not like it was anything new. All of these places have been under some form of invasion force and occupier for millenia. To solely focus on ol-whitey while directly comparing the pre-post (again) there had been many benefits to each and every society from the culture and faith of the Christian West. Your own history dictates this... Had it not been for the Christian West or even the Brits, more peoples would have fallen beneath dar al Islam...
Are you serious? You think that Europe has civilized those nations with their colonial politics? Absolutely. No question. If one researches what these nations were like prior to ol-whitey they'd all look more like sub human toilets had it not been for the evil Christian ol-Whitey...
Let me remind you about the fact that the foundation of the Western civilization was based on the principles of colonialism and exploitations of other nations. As were many nations, cultures and people in prior colonial days...re: above. Again, could you imagine if tomorrow morning Africa or any other of these turd world toilet nations were discovered? What do you think you'd find?
After exploiting others, including Slav-nations, the Western civilization was established. The Slav nations? You better learn your history my friend. The Romans invaded and after them the Mohammadans.... Would you rather peoples like Charles Martel have stayed home? You'd have your little prayer rug out 5 time a day and making the Haj my friend...
In the beginning of the New age you had in Europe one major civilization which was called the Byzantic Empire. The official church of this Empire was the Eastern Church which is today called the Orthodox and Apostolic Church. The centre of this Empire was “carigrad” today’s Istanbul. The Byzantic Empire occupied Greece, parts of today’s Turkey and the Balkans. In the 10th century Serbia, under the rule of Njemanic, was on of the most influential countries of Europe. O0 In our army we Serbs had even Germans, who were working in our military units. Right and you are identifying another aspect of expansionism, colonialism and empire building.This testifies the fact that Serbia was once one of the most powerful countries of Europe. I'm not saying it wasn't. I agree with you... In those days the nations of the Byzantic Empire had their own powerful civilization. Exactly, like former times the power changed...so did it later re: under Britian, France, Belguim, Holland, Russia, China and America.At the same time, the people from the West lived as barbarians. You do not have the oldest civilization, like you pretent to have!Whose pretending? I've never said we did. I'd argue that it was Sumeria if this were the subject. ;)
How can you compare the crimes of the colonial powers with communism?Very easy, but not to the same vile means nor ends.... The Communists were the worst murderers this Earth has ever seen followed by the Nazis and then the Mohammadans imo.
You are not informed about the roots of communism and about the parties who stand behind this evil, regressive and undemocratic politic/ system. Brother, I'm very well knowledged on this subject. There was once a member active on this forum, he was probably Jewish, who had explained the relation between the Vatican, communism and the enemies of the Vatican. Nik. Yes I've discussed this with him and MassuhD many a time...Secondly, the communist leaders and founders were not Russians or Serbs or Orthodox! Vladimir Lenin was born in Simbirsk on the Volga River. I'd say that is part of Russia.Give me one name of a important communist person who was Orthodox?Joseph Stalin was a Georgian who was educated at Gori Church School later the Georgian Orthodox Seminary of Tiflis, which he had been awarded a scholarship but was later expelled. He abandoned his Orthodoxy and quest for Priesthood after reading Hugo, Marx and Lenin. I know my stuff brother and we are on the same side... The leading position of the communist movement existed out of non-Orthodox individuals. Of course. One of the main tenets of Communism is the vanquishment of religion/G-d, culture etc.This explains the fact why so many Orthodox people had suffered because of communism. Very true... Jews as well...Communism brought the Serbs and the Russians to the brink of biological survival. Agreed. Especially in the Ukrane with the organized starvations...
You do not have a realistic or strong argument against Russia.I most certainly do.
You tried to put the communist crimes over the Russians and the Serbs No, I never said the Serbs. The Russians yes but not the Serbs. (they mostly were committed against those two nations) on the direct responsibility of the Russians.
I must disappoint you there were also other parties involved in the launch of communism on Russia and later on Serbia.I know this all too well my friend. All too well. The internal and international aids to the Communist movements/revolutions. I do not see you attacking or accusing the third party which was direct responsible for the establishment of the communist rule in Russia. There was many more than 3 my friend. America, Canada, England, Germany... Hell Lenin was staying just down the road from me prior to being released from Jail and smuggled through the battle fields of WW1 in a covered train car to perform his revolution against Alexander Kerensky's Social Revolutionary Party if I'm not mistaken as Tzar Nicholas II was already out of power. The Communists didn't "revolt" against the Tzar but against Kerensky..
Lets be honest. There is no historical argument against Russia, which can be compared with the crimes of the world’s colonization powers. That is insanity. Russia exterminated more people than the entire West combined. How many millions died in the Ukrane alone? How many more died in the Gulag system? Further, How many more died under their dreadful ideology in China under Mao? Pal Pot? Khmer Rouge in Cambodia? Attacking Russia is absurd.
Ignoring the fact that the Georgians, who are controlled by the US, provoked Russia by shooting against Russian peace keepers is also absurd. Never did I do this. Please review what I've stated. It has also been stated that Georgia fired first as a preemptive strike because Russia was preparing to invade, similarly to the Arabs agaisnt Israel in the six day war. Is this true? I don't know, but that is what I've read. Which is probably a lie but as I said above...I honestly don't know..but gave two different views/opinions.This provocation resulted in a military conflict between Russia and the pro EU government of Georgia. Sure. that is predictable....
Historicaly Russia had only defended its people and borders, it never invaded other countries, colonized or exploited other nations or had imperialistic intentions towards anybody. Are you for real? Russia had one of the most expansionist empires on Earth specifically between 1851-1905. I will not even bother speaking about the expansionism and colonial activities of the Soviets during 1961-1986. Heck they had one of the largest naval bases on Earth in Africa...
If Russia did not exist. Are you kidding me? Russia arms ALL of Israel's enemies. As a matter of fact in both of Israel's wars '67 and '73 Russia was not only arming Egypt, Syria and others they actively faught on the side of the Arabs with their Cuban Commie friends. My friend shot down a number of Soviet piolets that were flying with/for Syria. My friend Larry, during the Yom Kippur War captured Russian soldiers fighting/commanding the Egyptian forces in the Sinai. I don't know where you've learned your facts brother but whoever provided you with these is simply obtuse.
I believe that the enemies of Israel would already have invaded Israel. I'll agree to disagree. Russia only voted for partition in 1947 because Ben Gurion promised to turn Israel into a Communist Satilite hole like Cuba. Thank G-d he didn't keep his word... well at least in full. The party which wants to destroy Israel can not accomplish its goal because of the presence of a powerful state like Russia. Russia will not tolerate a nuclear attack against anybody, also not against Israel. I disagree. After both conflicts '67 and '73 Israel almost had direct confrontations with Russia. Russia supplied billions on credit to Egypt, Syria and others in '67 to which masses of their assets were distroyed in a matter of hours which cramped the Arab ability to repay these loans....to which Russia attempted to enter against Israel. Again in '73 with Russia supplying arms, technology and manpower to the ARabs/Mohammadans..
If Russia did not exist.
The US would have destroyed and exploited all the 2d and 3rd countries on a much higher level. Rubbish. Simply Rubbish.Also would the US dropped nuclear bombs to rebels countries like Serbia, Iraq, Cuba, North Korea, Libya and Venezuela, if there was no Russia. That is insanity... sorry but give your head a shake. America has not used a nuke since Japan. I wish they had of dropped on on Tokyo and the other on Moscow. That would have saved countless of lives. Think how many nations would not have suffered under communism had Russia been knocked out entirely in 1945....
Sorry but we'll have to agree to disagree. I wholely support Serbia against the Mohammadan and too the Communist but I must disagree with your views re: America...in part but NOT all.....by anymeans...not all..
. Britain did not go there to spread civilization, but to get resources. Let's be realistic.
Every empire did that. What is your sole reasoning to focus on hating specifically the White Christians? I can understand your hatred for the Anglo-American Establisment for their abandoning Serbia to the Mohammadans especially when the righteous Serbs fought on our side during WW2.
Hell with your reasoning why are you not with all the other vile Jew hating leftists and slammmng the "Zionists" colonialists for "stealing" the lands from the Arabs as Israel never existed....
Dalmacija,
Of all the Serbs in this forum, you are definitely one of the most educated people without any doubt.
What annoys me about some of these people who are constantly attacking countries such as Russia, Serbia and Israel are trying to teach us Serbs, Russians and Jews about how we need to get along with those who hate (not dislike) us because of our proud heritage.
One of the things that someone mentioned in this was how it was thanx to countries like Britain, US, France, Dutch (worst of all) are trying to teach others about civilization.
1. Eradicating Native Americans through diseases and forcing them to relocate to reservations, which in many instances were the worse piece of land so that the WASP can eradicate them in all ways possible. Now this is a highly distorted piece of rubbish. What usually happens via conquest? Say in Britian? The Islamic World? Under the Communists?And now I am supposed to learn from these Americans about democracy and learning to live and respect others? You are comparing apples to oranges here brother. Why not compare the WASPS to the Romans or some other empire building power of the day. All were comparable in some respects but to solely focus on Ol Whitey, Christian Whitey...is misguided.Can this treatment of Native Americans be called ethnic cleansing (300 years before the war in ex-Yu). Helllllooooooooooooo? This is insanity. Learn about the Matis Indians. The only example of true "ethnic cleansing" was in Newfoundland of the Beothuk Indians.
2. Britain, in its prime, had most of the world under their control.....absolutely. It was another example of an empire...again, it sounds more like abuse of those colonies whom they controled untill the end of WWII and taking all their natural resources. Britain did not go there to spread civilization, but to get resources. Let's be realistic.Neither did any other empire so why solely focus on Ol-Whitey? Many more empires were far more devastating than the brits. The Islamic Caliphate for example...
3. Holland is the location of the War Crimes Tribunal, yet they were the ones who started the slavery...and now I am supposed to learn from the Dutch about justice?Everyone makes mistakes. The Dutch were one of the only countries that actively aided the Jews during the Holocaust. You are speaking of a people here and not about an elitist guided NWO agenda. Those are the ones who abandoned/bombed Serbia for the Mohammadan, not the Brit or American but the evil bastards like Clinton, Blair and that idiot in Germany...all under the green light and media lockdown of Russia I might add...
4. I do not see that russians or serbs had any colonies across the oceans, The Russians most certainly did. Africa went from a Colonialized entity to a Marxist revolutionary mass murdering collection of "Peoples Repubics". Who do you think was behind all of these Marxist revolutions?but take a look at how many colonies countries like England, France, US (to a lesser extent), Holland, Spain and Portugal. You are correct. Stepping back and around the same time the Vatican was too spreading its control via the Society of Jesus.In other words, Serbs and Russians did not go around the world to have colonies. The Soviets did and attempted to. That is Communism a globalist ideology...You might say that Russia had colonies during Cold War through satellite countries. Colonies are now not colonialism. Hell I'd not want to have lived in Romania, Hungary or the Ukraine during Communist control...How different is that from US controlling most of the world's small countries, especially in Europe and Asia. Oh, and by the way, Soviet Union is not the same as Russia. Read the history.I know my history. Russia today is different from Tzarist Russia which was different from the Soviet Union, however the majority of the peoples and land was still "Mother Russia"....
I will never ever say that I hate someone, but rather that I dislike and disrespect them.....hate is a word from Islam, not from Judeo-Christian beliefs.Hate is a Jewish concept. One is obligated to hate evil and obliterate if from the planet. Is it not proper to hate a murderer or a rapist?
America is a great country, but those leading it are horrible. EXACTLY....THAT IS MY MAIN CONTENTION... O0It is wrong for anyone to say that all americans are bad, because it ain't the truth. ;)Typical american is a good person, but is unfortunatelly not very well educated to know the world outside the US.
The big reason why Serbs should support Russia is because, compared to so called allies US, France and UK, they did not stab us in the back after the great sacrifices that Serbs suffered in both World Wars for their own freedom and those whom she considered allies.This is another one of my points. It is not America but the Establisment that screwed serbia however, I'd not hold much faith in the bear either as their tract record is simply horribile...
Croatia, in 1991 started using the same slogans, flag, anthem, currency and racism as they did during their animal behaviour in WWII. That's why Serbs resisted against them in 1990s. It would be the same if tomorrow, Nazis were brought back to power in Europe and Jews throughout the world should just go along with it and not resist it? That is called suicide, not democracy. I support the Serbs 100% against the Mohammadans, the Communists and the Elitist NWO Establisment.... 100%
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Yes you are right about the Vatican...which is why I said Rome...... A nevermind. This is pointless. Agree to disagree.
Every empire did that. What is your sole reasoning to focus on hating specifically the White Christians? I can understand your hatred for the Anglo-American Establisment for their abandoning Serbia to the Mohammadans especially when the righteous Serbs fought on our side during WW2.
Did I say that I hate White Christians? Now you are putting words in my mounth.Not at all...you are focusing your hate or contempt on one super power, actaully two being Britian, who were not only colonizing but also sending Christian missionaries...
I have only exposed the basic principles on which their civilisation was found. I think you will enjoy Oswald Spengler's "Decline of the West".
Protestant America and the Vatican are colonizing Serbian lands. They are? I thought it was the Mohammadans?Krajina, parts of Bosnia and Hercegovina and Kosovo are cleansed of Serbs and annexed to other states. This was organized and prepared by the colonial powers. I'll cede this point as I honestly do not know.Hell with your reasoning why are you not with all the other vile Jew hating leftists and slammmng the "Zionists" colonialists for "stealing" the lands from the Arabs as Israel never existed....
If I condemn colonialism and the colonial potilic of the West against Serbia, am I automatically a leftist? You do not understand Serbian politic! You are using the same logic and the same scapegoat that the Leftists use agaisnt Israel/Jews
I am more anti-communist than you. But you support the Bear which is headed by a staunch Communist and once head of the KGB?
Those same leftists are attacking Serbia and saying that Serbia is responsible for the civil war which took place in former Yugoslavia. I'll cede this as I don't know...
Who says that Israel never existed? Those evil leftist scum that back the "Palestinians"
The Jews had their own state on the territories of today's Israel in the time of the Roman Empire. The bilble is the living prove for that. Agreed. But also if one reads the Bible one can use the same arguement that the Jew colonized and distroyed the Caananite.... factual but a bit distorted... ;)
Jews can not colonize Israel, just like Serbs can not colozine Krajina or Kosovo.Agreed O0
Jews are the autochtones of Israel so, there is no case of colonialism. I'd say the same but the leftist and mohammadan scum would argue.
I think we are splitting hairs here brother. I support Serbia and I think those that fed you and your righteous nation to the wolves should be executed....not in today's fashion but in that of the Inquisition....
I hate Islam and therefore Mohammadans. I hate Communists and Leftist scum. But mostly I hate is the Elitist Establisment and their vile International Socialist World Order schema which Serbia, Georgia and soon to be Israel will suffer...
The Mohammadans were on the war path long before the British/European colonialists. Today, I'd say that the Establishment is using the Mohammadans to forward their agenda but I don't think then because this undermining by the Utopian Socialist really began, in modern times, under Adam Weishaupt in 1776. The Mohammadan was on the warpath of Jihad for 1134 years already.
You missed the point of the subject. We are saying that the problem is not who started it, but rather that those who are colonialists are trying to teach us how colonialism is evil eventhough they are continuing to do that through democracy. Simply said, first look at your self and then talk to others.
Every Empire had colonies to which are listed above. Your argument, like ours, is against the Anglo-American Establishment including their cohorts. Don't think for one moment that the bombing and partitioning of Serbia under NATO via the Clinton, Blair and Solana did not include a Russian "green light". Most of the media presentation and censorship was that of Russian. That is the contention given by pro Serb author/reporter who was there on the ground: "Media Cleansing, Dirty Reporting: Journalism and Tragedy in Yugoslavia" by Peter Brock: http://www.amazon.com/Media-Cleansing-Dirty-Reporting-Journalism/dp/1882383303/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1220023424&sr=8-1
Serbia never had colonies outside it's territory. In addition, you cannot compare Russia in the 90's and today. I guarantee you that if the Nato attack was planned today, it wouldn't happen, too risky both in military and economic reasons. For example, you really think that NATO would not have gotten involved in Georgia if this was the 90's? I am pretty sure that they would have. It is easy to attack when someone is weak.
I'd much rather have lived under a Judeo-Christian Culture and World Language via the British Empire than Russian, Chinese or Arabic.... my opinion solely...
Of course colonialism and empire building is wrong but the fact is that it wasn't started by the Brits no the Establishment in America/Britain but practiced since around 0-3000 B.C.E. by the aforementioned peoples-nations-cultures...
Finally, me and you agree on something (besides the distrust of Muslims). Just like you, I agree that colonialism is wrong. It is in human nature that you keep killing and conquering untill someone finally stands up to you. It is unfortunate, but that is a fact.
I feel your pain and anguish against the Utopian power hungry Anglo-American...or World Establishment but I think, culturally, religiously and linguistically speaking, The English are much preferred to the Mohammandan or Communist... ;)
I agree with both of you here 100%. The Elitist European-American-British Establishment, with their cohorts are the enemies of humanity.
I hope that the Serbian people again revolt, massacre or expell every Mohammadan and Communist animal within their border.
I hope that the Serbian people again revolt, massacre or expell every Mohammadan and Communist animal within their border.
Why Serbs must support Russia!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let me explain his to you!
See the Stalinist dance! Some kind of new Western mode?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNvH067HfT0&feature=related
Stalinist Sakasvili is a real cooperator of the West!
Look and see him dreast in pink and dancing! Pink shirt - Western mode style!
In Eastern Europe it is not normal that men wear pink!
Conclusion: Sakasvili is a real Western man!
Real western behavior "men dreast in pink" real hollywood freaks!
Being pro-West is bad? Hell every Serb on here doesn't live in Serbia but in some Westernized nation like America, England, Australia, Canada or perhaps even Israel....Marzutra,
Question for you, where the Serbs during the days when Russia was aligned with Hitler's Nazi Germany against the West or were they pro-West simply living under Communist occupation/rule? Did the Serbs help the Allies because Communist Russia was on the side of the Allies after June 2, 1941 or were the Serbs only following the Communist dictators orders to fight against the Nazis?
Being pro-West is bad? Hell every Serb on here doesn't live in Serbia but in some Westernized nation like America, England, Australia, Canada or perhaps even Israel....
Question for you, where the Serbs during the days when Russia was aligned with Hitler's Nazi Germany against the West or were they pro-West simply living under Communist occupation/rule? Did the Serbs help the Allies because Communist Russia was on the side of the Allies after June 2, 1941 or were the Serbs only following the Communist dictators orders to fight against the Nazis?
Being pro-West is bad? Hell every Serb on here doesn't live in Serbia but in some Westernized nation like America, England, Australia, Canada or perhaps even Israel....
Question for you, where the Serbs during the days when Russia was aligned with Hitler's Nazi Germany against the West or were they pro-West simply living under Communist occupation/rule? Did the Serbs help the Allies because Communist Russia was on the side of the Allies after June 2, 1941 or were the Serbs only following the Communist dictators orders to fight against the Nazis?
I admit that I'm not a scholar on Serbia itself but I do know a fair amount about Russian, Communist and Islamic history and ideological specificities.... The West is collapsing like a deck of cards for a few main reasons.
All I'm asking for was/is information and your views. It is not "The West" you hate but the establishment that influences their geo-political decisions re: global issues. Then again, they are only one player while Russia and her communist, Mohammedan and Turd World Allies are on the other.
Marzutra,
1)
Being pro-West and pro-East (in terms of East-Europe&Russia) is good.
We want peace with eachother, and together secure our interests and freedom.
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Some Serbs are living in Serbia, as does Dalmacija.
3) <<Question for you, where the Serbs during the days when Russia was aligned with Hitler's Nazi Germany against the West or were they pro-West simply living under Communist occupation/rule? >>
Well, in the 30ties, Serbia was an Orthodox Kingdom, not a Soviet ally.
And why are you always calling the Soviet Union "Russia".
ALL RUSSIAN I KNOW HATE THE SOVIET UNION, AND ARE GLAD IT COLLAPSED.
Today Russia is not in a terrible good shape neither, but at least, it is better than under Gorbatchev, or Yeltsin.
I see this situation as a two headed snake..... Russia and her Communist/Socialist/Islamist and Turd World "Allies" on one hand and the "West", with her Oligarchy lead cohorts working for similar ends.... The only difference I feel is in minor specificities and who is sitting on the global politburo.
Russia is not a communist state, that is pro-American propaganda.Russia is a pseudo-Communist State. It most certainly is not a democracy. Communism, my friend IS in fact a global ideology as per Marx/Engles Manifesto with ideological specificities stemming back to Plato and the Neo-Platonists.
Yes Islam is global, so is Roman catholicism.
The Russian bear has always been anti-Israel for a very long time. They've armed, funded, trained and propagated Israel's enemies in every war....I completely understand that you worry about Israel.
I completely understand that you worry about Israel.
Maybe Israel will face the most of the consequences between a Russia-American conflict. It most certainly will, in my opinion. If Russia enters into a conflict, every Communist, Mohammedan and Turd World nation will comply to Mother Russia's call....... If no, why would China bother having military and political agreements/treaties with Russia?
I also believe that Russia will not tolerate the total destruction of Israel. Sadly, should that be the case, Russia wouldn't have done the aforementioned. I know Russia, now, is very different than the Stalin's day but I don't believe Putin holds any affirmation towards Jews or Israel.
Maybe USSR had some problems with Israel but USSR was not Orthodox Russia. True. I hope and pray for the best. Most don't know, or understand, that after both the '67 and '73 wars Israel almost came into direct confrontation with the Russian bear due Israel's downing many Russians flying Russian made aircraft, heading the Syrian Air Force. Today most of Israel's enemies are armed by the Russians. Sad but true. I simply hope that Russia gets out of Serbia as well NATO and let either the Serbs "live along side" their Mohammedan neighbors or let the two sides battle it out so the Serbs can drive them back to Arabia where they belong. my opinions...
Look you can not hate Russia because of some former communists and especially if you know that foreigners controlled the USSR. Putin was the head of the KGB. He is a Communist. I detest the ideology and the peoples. What sort of foreigners controlled the USSR? Stalin was a Georgian which was absorbed into the Russian Empire in the 19th century. Lenin was from Simbirsk, Russia. So I guess I'm lost as to which leaders were foreigners? How would you feel if I started to attack you because of Jews like Mose Pijade, Madeline Albright and other individual Jews? I'd feel both blessed and too I'd defend myself as to educate you towards their UN-Jewishness. These people are the antithesis of Judaism and Jews. They are Utopians, Globalists, Communists, Socialists... There really isn't much Jewishness within these people.
40% of the participators who were direct responsible for the establishment of Israel were Russian Jews. They were also Socialists and Communists....I do not think that the USSR was so anti-Israel at all. I'd like to know how many Jews lost their lives in the Gulag system?
Israel is a small country, it must stay away from the conflicts between real world powers. I agree with you 100%. Sadly, Israel is faced between a rock and a hard place. They are surrounded by 300 million Arabs who seek their destruction and are funded, trained and armed by one, if not more, of these super powers.
The basic thing to remember brother is "When a cat and dog fight, the cat usually dies. And the World blames the Jew."
I'm extremely anti-Communist, Socialist, Nazi, Humanist and Establishment.....
i agree with Mar,u gotta step back alittle,tho i don't agree alltogether with ur other statementsI agree with you here. I will go even further in the fact that one didn't really "collapse" like the American propaganda machine continually touts; "Ronald Reagan defeated Communism with his speech "Tear Down these Walls"." In actual fact, and my opinion, that Reagan assisted its unleashment onto the world. If one looks at the world today, in direct comparison with 1988, one will see a decided growth in Socialist nations where once was nominally Christian powers. The EU would be a great example as would the current realities of Canada and Britain...America aside.
and IMHO the "Capitalists" and socialists had the same master,and were trying to acomplish the same thing,you make to global super powers
then there is a cold war there are milions of guns tanks,everytihng made,competition blah blah,and i think that was the point,who makes the money and profits from selling them?one of them was bound to callapse and ther would be Oligarchy...(i think i ment to write more but my mind was "cut" when i started doing something else etc...)
I agree with you here. I will go even further in the fact that one didn't really "collapse" like the American propaganda machine continually touts; "Ronald Reagan defeated Communism with his speech "Tear Down these Walls"." In actual fact, and my opinion, that Reagan assisted its unleashment onto the world. If one looks at the world today, in direct comparison with 1988, one will see a decided growth in Socialist nations where once was nominally Christian powers. The EU would be a great example as would the current realities of Canada and Britain...America aside.
I think you will very much like Anatoly Golitsyn's "New Lies for Old" or "The Perestroika Deception"...
Off for Shabbat... :dance:
You ahve really great points!
You are a true comrade of the Serbs and of the Slavic nation!
Al least you are honest and you are not washing the crimes committed by the West on other nations!
We can trust people like Ambiorix! Real European behavoir!
oh an i'll tell you,the serbs were idiots(still are)they didn't let the bosnians go to turkey,no they said they are serbs of muslim faith,they are our brothers blah blah,we deserve it.But i'll tell you i h8 the catholics far more then the muslims,far more,not becous croats are catholics,but HOW they are catholics,the catholics are one of the biggest evils to hit this planet,what have they done in america(N,S)all those books burned...all those educated ppl in europe burned,they manipulated and let the muslims consume the ortodox balkans so they could catholicise it later...they sent the world hundreds of years back,G-d,howmany extrodinary ppl may have been borne or were borne but burned......makes me sick to my stomach...You know, here is where Nik would have enjoyed answering or responding to your post. There is a book, very bias and anti-Catholic, and ignorant to the specificities of Judaism and most certainly the vileness and history of Mohammed, Islam and its expansion, but it does place forward many facts, ascertains that begs much questioning: "Vatican Assassins" - Eric Jon Phelps a Calvinist/Protestant. The book delves into the history of Catholicism and how it bastardized Christianity with its various "councils", Papal rulings and adding/changing and deleting scripture from the New and Tanach . The book follows a time line from the early Catholic Church in Rome to the infallible Pope as "G-d's representative on Earth" as simply a ploy for power and domination over the collapsing Roman Empire.
i think the point of Communisam was to weaken the "independent" superpower Russia(and the east,the asians etc)so that they could be concured at the end,and i think the point was to make the world one "country" or no country,to mix all ppl up so there would be no political racial crap etc,and then a select few familys would rule,Oligarchy...This is also a good theory although I don't know what to make of it. I first read this within the fraud book by John Coleman "The Committee of 300"; a total waste of time and undocumented/substantiated work of rubbish. It wouldn't surprise me if the Beatles were Communists, however many during the '60's were totally taken in by the Communist propaganda during the so-called "Civil Rights" movement. In fact, little had to do with "civil rights" but the expansion of anti-Jewish, anti-Christian, immoral, anti-G-d depredation: Humanism, Socialism, Communism, New Age and Esoteric/Eastern Gnosticism...anything to replace Christianity and expand the Utopian views of Plato, More and Marx... yet also decidedly fitting into the premise presented above by Eric Jon Phelps...
The Beatles were an engenered groupe,they didn't happen by chance,they were sending political messages,got half of america on drugs etc,like the song "Imagine",it allways creeps me out,tho i love beatles :D
m8 i'm trying to say all the sides can be directed to one puppet master,the rest is manipulation,i mean,there probably are a few "real sides",i mean there are probably more then one group trying to rule the world,otherwise they'r be already ruleing it(unless they aren't already...)
ps,your one of the few educated ppl i have a pleasure of talking to :)
burn teh witch!!11
Thanks you guys be very well. I just posted a very good ebook which I think you'll enjoy very much. It is the "Jewish" groups (who've there is no Jewishness within them) that seek, and work towards the establishment of a new world order. They work hand in hand with the Gentile that seeks to eliminate Christianity and establish the same end. Do a search on here for "To Eliminate the Opiate".
The above post of mine was one angle of the Papal See/Vatican/Jesuits vs. Orthodox and Protestant Christians and one group/theory within the aforementioned Gentile anti-Christian movements. The book by E.J. Phelps is also available in E-format for your desire.
Thanks for the comps and it is nice to see that people here are open minded and have actually practiced the teachings of Mark Twain "Education consists mainly of what we have unlearned."
MarZutra,
You do not have a realistic or strong argument against Russia.
You tried to put the communist crimes over the Russians and the Serbs (they mostly were committed against those two nations) on the direct responsibility of the Russians.
I must disappoint you there were also other parties involved in the launch of communism on Russia and later on Serbia. I do not see you attacking or accusing the third party which was direct responsible for the establishment of the communist rule in Russia.
Lets be honest. There is no historical argument against Russia, which can be compared with the crimes of the world’s colonization powers. Attacking Russia is absurd.
Ignoring the fact that the Georgians, who are controlled by the US, provoked Russia by shooting against Russian peace keepers is also absurd. This provocation resulted in a military conflict between Russia and the pro EU government of Georgia.
Historicaly Russia had only defended its people and borders, it never invaded other countries, colonized or exploited other nations or had imperialistic intentions towards anybody.
If Russia did not exist.
I believe that the enemies of Israel would already have invaded Israel. The party which wants to destroy Israel can not accomplish its goal because of the presence of a powerful state like Russia. Russia will not tolerate a nuclear attack against anybody, also not against Israel.
If Russia did not exist.
The US would have destroyed and exploited all the 2d and 3rd countries on a much higher level. Also would the US dropped nuclear bombs to rebels countries like Serbia, Iraq, Cuba, North Korea, Libya and Venezuela, if there was no Russia.
Did I say that I hate White Christians? Now you are putting words in my mounth.
I have only exposed the basic principles on which their civilisation was found.
Protestant America and the Vatican are colonizing Serbian lands. Krajina, parts of Bosnia and Hercegovina and Kosovo are cleansed of Serbs and annexed to other states. This was organized and prepared by the colonial powers.
Quote from: DALMACIJA on August 28, 2008, 02:09:29 PMThis is the biggest bunch of hogwash I am yet to read on this pro-Jewish website.
MarZutra,
You do not have a realistic or strong argument against Russia.
You tried to put the communist crimes over the Russians and the Serbs (they mostly were committed against those two nations) on the direct responsibility of the Russians.
I must disappoint you there were also other parties involved in the launch of communism on Russia and later on Serbia. I do not see you attacking or accusing the third party which was direct responsible for the establishment of the communist rule in Russia.
Lets be honest. There is no historical argument against Russia, which can be compared with the crimes of the world’s colonization powers. Attacking Russia is absurd.
Ignoring the fact that the Georgians, who are controlled by the US, provoked Russia by shooting against Russian peace keepers is also absurd. This provocation resulted in a military conflict between Russia and the pro EU government of Georgia.
Historicaly Russia had only defended its people and borders, it never invaded other countries, colonized or exploited other nations or had imperialistic intentions towards anybody.
If Russia did not exist.
I believe that the enemies of Israel would already have invaded Israel. The party which wants to destroy Israel can not accomplish its goal because of the presence of a powerful state like Russia. Russia will not tolerate a nuclear attack against anybody, also not against Israel.
If Russia did not exist.
The US would have destroyed and exploited all the 2d and 3rd countries on a much higher level. Also would the US dropped nuclear bombs to rebels countries like Serbia, Iraq, Cuba, North Korea, Libya and Venezuela, if there was no Russia.
Posted by: AryehYehudah Posted on: Today at 08:13:46 AM
This is the biggest bunch of hogwash I am yet to read on this pro-Jewish website. This guy states , that Russia is the reason why Israel is kept alive? Was it not the red commy/Jew Hating whore country that help supply all our enemies with weapons to wipe us off the earth , for rejecting their communist, bolshevik ways. Yes , true many Jews came from the Eastern bloc and had that poison infused within them; yet we were smart enough to know that the Russian way is a cold, lonesome dictatorship, were you get half-rotten potatoes for lunch and dinner and forget breakfast. As for your stupid theory of Russia has prevented Israel's enemies from invading, your are dead wrong. Israel's miliatry prowess and help from the USA is the reason why Israel stomped her enemies and is not invaded. And the only reason Russia has not invaded Israel , like it did Georgia, is that Israel has enough nukes to obliterated all of Russia's cities and most likely will have full USA support if a nuclear battle ensues. The message of Dalmacija sounds entirely different from what i Heard from the Chaim Ben Pesach guy. WHos running this site?? How did we get a whole thread supporting commy , anti-semite Russia. I cannot stand this garbage.
Quote from: MarZutra on August 29, 2008, 01:22:36 PM
I hope that the Serbian people again revolt, massacre or expell every Mohammadan and Communist animal within their border.
Now you have ruined everything. with this kind of speech.
You are talking like our enemies, like the fascists.
We are not in war with the Muslim people. We do not fight against civilians. Our fight is against terrorism, international communism and fascism and colonialism.
We will not tolerate ethnic cleansing against any citizen of the Republic of Serbia.
The Muslims citizens in Serbia have our respect.
If you want to conduct massacre or ethnic cleansing against people only because of their ethnicity or religious background than you are not different as our enemies, the Nazis. In G-d's eyes we are all equal and we can not set our selves above others.
You can not say that all Catholics are evil or all Muslims are evil. That is satanic and Nazism. If you are able to kill a civilian only because his religion is Muslim, than you will kill me also tomorrow because of my religion. I do not trust genocidal people!
You're right, DALMACIJA's post is absolute garbage.I support the Serbs, but I'm getting a little tired of their support for Russia.
Get a load of this crap:
" Historicaly Russia had only defended its people and borders, it never invaded other countries, colonized or exploited other nations or had imperialistic intentions towards anybody."
This is pure nonsense. Unadulterated crap.
At the onset of WWII, the Russians invaded Finland and Poland. After WWII, the Russians imposed an 'Iron Curtain' over all of eastern Europe. During the cold war, the Russians armed and used their Arab proxies to wage war against Israel. The Russians used their Cuban proxies to destabilize the American western hemisphere and almost caused a nuclear conflagration by supplying Castro with missiles. They also have invaded Afghanistan, and today they're still up to their old crap by helping Iran in it's quest to develop nuclear weapons.
I support the Serbs, but I'm getting a little tired of their support for Russia.
Screw Russia.
Serbs did not massacre or expell Muslims on the territory of the Republic of Serbia!
Also were not Serbian authorities organizing crimes against Muslim or Croat populations in Croatia or Bosnia and Hercegovina. The Muslim civilians who died in Bosnia and Hercegovina were victims of a civil war and not of Serbian externination!
We have a Muslim population in Serbia which lives together with Orthodox Serbs and Jews for centuries long in peace! Will not allowed anybody to harm the Muslims who live in Serbia!
The message of Dalmacija sounds entirely different from what i Heard from the Chaim Ben Pesach guy. WHos running this site?? How did we get a whole thread supporting commy , anti-semite Russia. I cannot stand this garbage.
Thats why we are also anti-West.
The West looks down on 3d world countries. They are materialistic and selfish.
You have confirmed to me your Western hatred towards Slavic people, third world people (which were colonized and exploited by the West) and towards other people who do not share your ethnicity!
You are protecting the West and blaming others for the crimes committed by the West!
You do not even want to admit the Western crimes!
Russia is a pseudo-Communist State. It most certainly is not a democracy. Communism, my friend IS in fact a global ideology as per Marx/Engles Manifesto with ideological specificities stemming back to Plato and the Neo-Platonists.
Probably more propaganda...
Russian units raid Georgian airfields for use in potential Israeli strike against Iran – US intelligence
DEBKAfile September 11, 2009
5 Sept.: The Russians raided two Georgian airfields, which Tbilisi had allowed Israel to use for a potential strike against Iran's nuclear facilities, after the Georgian offensive against South Ossetia on Aug. 7.
Under a secret agreement with Georgia, the airfields were earmarked for use by Israeli fighter-bombers taking off to strike Iran, in return for training and arms supplies for the Georgian army.
DEBKAfile's intelligence sources report that flying from S. Georgia over the Caspian Sea to Iran would sharply trim the flying time for Israeli fighter-bombers to 3.5 hours.
Northern Iran and the Tehran region, where most of the nuclear facilities are concentrated, would be within range, with no need to request US permission to pass through Iraq air space.
Russian Special Forces also raided other Israeli facilities in southern Georgia and captured Israeli spy drones and other military equipment. DEBKAfile adds: If the Russians got hold of an Israeli unmanned aerial vehicle complete with sophisticated electronic reconnaissance equipment, they will have secured some of the IDF's most secret devices for spying on Iran and Syria.
When this happened before, Russian military engineers quickly dismantled the equipment, studied it and passed the technology on to Tehran and Damascus.
Russia lines up with Syria, Iran against America and the West
DEBKAfile Exclusive Report
September 12, 2008, 10:28 PM (GMT+02:00)
Russian Navy prepares for permanent Mediterranean base in Syria
Friday, Sept. 12, Moscow announced renovation had begun on the Syrian port of Tartus to provide Russia with its first long-term naval presence on the Mediterranean.
As the two naval chiefs talked in Moscow, Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov met Iranian foreign minister Manouchehr Mottaki in the Russian capital for talks on the completion of the Bushehr nuclear power plant by the end of the year.
DEBKAfile’s military sources report that the commander of the Russian, Navy Adm. Vladimir Vysotsky, and his Syrian counterpart, Gen. Taleb al Barri, spent all Friday working on details for the outfitting of Tartus port to accommodated increased Russian fleet Mediterranean missions not far from Israel’s shores.
Mottaki’s unannounced visit to the Russian capital focused on the timetable for Atomstroiexport to finish work on the Bushehr reactor after five years of delays.
Moscow has sharpened its tone in comments aimed at the West and the US in particular. President Dmitiry Medvedev said Friday that Georgia’s attack on South Ossetia was the equivalent for Russia of the 9/11 attack on America. Even if Georgia had become a NATO member, he said, he would not have thought twice about ordering the Russian army to go in.
Prime minister Vladimir Putin, after putting Moscow’s case on Georgia to the Western media, warned the US that stationing a missile defense shield near Russia’s borders would start an arms race in Europe. There was no basis for a new Cold War, he said.
DEBKAfile’s sources interpret Friday’s events as indicating that Russia’s leaders have determined not to declare a Cold War in Europe but to open a second anti-Western front in the Middle East.
In the second half of August, DEBKA file and DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s analysts discussed this re-orientation at length (Russia’s Second Front: Iran-Syria), disclosing that Moscow had decided to use its ties with Tehran and Damascus to challenge the United State and the West in the Middle East as well as the Caucasian, the Black Sea and the Caspian region.
The traumatic impact of the Georgia conflict on Russia’s rulers came through in the remarks of an unnamed Kremlin official quoted by the Russian media this week: “Everything has changed since the war with Georgia. What seemed impossible before is more than possible now when our friends become our enemies and our enemies our friends. Russia will respond. A number of possibilities are being considered, including hitting America where it hurts most – Iran and Syria.”
In aligning with Tehran and Damascus, Moscow stands not only against America but also Israel. This volatile world region is undergoing cataclysmic changes at a time when Israel is virtually without a fully competent prime minister and key political and military decision-making by the rest of the government is at a standstill.
I am sure China is going to just sit back and watch all that. Please don't joke about the JTF organization like that even as a joke it misrepresents what we stand for.
Congratulations to AryehYehudah
You have discovered !!!!!!!
You have discovered us and everything that stands behind this all.
I am surprised that we are exposed buy a non-Russian! If somebody was qualified enough to expose us and our hidden work, it would have been at least (one of our own) a Russian! I am surprised that a non-Russian, like you AryehYehudah, was able to discover the real intent of the organization.
You have maybe recognized us but you can not succeed, neither are you able to stop us.
We are a pro Russian organization which is fighting for greater Russia. By the year of 2012 the continent of Europe will be annexed to the reestablished Tsarist Russia.
You are right “Chaim Ben Pesach” is not ruing this site! How have you discover that?
Chaim Ben Pesach’s real name is Vladimir Alexei Stojadinovic.
He is also a Russian spy who is working for our organization to reconstruct the Russian Empire.
You must work with us. You are very, very intelligent individual!
How did you figure out that Chaim Ben Pesach is not ruing this organization?
That was top secret!
Because you are so smart I want you to cooperate with us!
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