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Save Western Civilization => Save Serbia => Topic started by: AryehYehudah on October 07, 2008, 03:16:23 AM
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Great video from the site's founder, Chaim ben Pesach about why Serbian and us "zhids", should not support the totalarian regime of Russia. The video is great and very educational, I think there will be Serbian members of the site that will change their mind of their faulty Russian alliance after watching this video. It also serves some great history lessons of the oppression that Russia, both its communist and religious government has done to the Jewish people and the general mindset that Russians have against Jews and the rest of the world. The video is in hebrew, but with very large english subtitles, so it is very easy to follow. The parts of the video where he addresses Russia, specifically are from 5:00 until the end; about 9 minutes of footage.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5842815878538967213&ei=xAzrSNjtDaeKqQOtpc37CQ&q=chaim+ben+pesach+russia&hl=en
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If we(all of us) are going to have the same standards how we are going to evaluate(which would be fair,correct?) who is going to have our(Serbian or Jewish or anyone else's) support,then I'll quote Chaim Ben Pesach what he said on the beginning of the video where he had defined very clearly what is the "reference point" on which Jews should support someone.He said:
1."Only according to what is good for Jews should we decide what our position is.If something is good for Jews,we support it.If something is bad for Jews,we oppose it.If something doesn't affect the Jews,we don't take a stand."
2."If there is a contradiction between the interests of the US and the interests of Israel,ALWAYS,without hesitation of any kind,ALWAYS we must be ONLY on the side of the state of Israel."
3."Because in our movement--don't forget--in our movement,on every matter,on every topic,we have only one question:What is good for the Jews?"
So,if I accept this point of view,than I'll use the same logic(which is makiavellist logic-->"the ends justify the means" or goal justify the method) and should put my words like this:
1."Only according to what is good for Serbs should we decide what our position is.If something is good for Serbs,we support it.If something is bad for Serbs,we oppose it.If something doesn't affect the Serbs,we don't take a stand."
2."If there is a contradiction between the interests of the US/Russia/Israel and the interests of Serbia,ALWAYS,without hesitation of any kind,ALWAYS we must be ONLY on the side of the state of Serbia."
3."Because in our country--don't forget--in our country,on every matter,on every topic,we have only one question:What is good for the Serbs?"
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Is it fair enough?What do you think?
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If we(all of us) are going to have the same standards how we are going to evaluate(which would be fair,correct?) who is going to have our(Serbian or Jewish or anyone else's) support,then I'll quote Chaim Ben Pesach what he said on the beginning of the video where he had defined very clearly what is the "reference point" on which Jews should support someone.He said:
1."Only according to what is good for Jews should we decide what our position is.If something is good for Jews,we support it.If something is bad for Jews,we oppose it.If something doesn't affect the Jews,we don't take a stand."
2."If there is a contradiction between the interests of the US and the interests of Israel,ALWAYS,without hesitation of any kind,ALWAYS we must be ONLY on the side of the state of Israel."
3."Because in our movement--don't forget--in our movement,on every matter,on every topic,we have only one question:What is good for the Jews?"
So,if I accept this point of view,than I'll use the same logic(which is makiavellist logic-->"the ends justify the means" or goal justify the method) and should put my words like this:
1."Only according to what is good for Serbs should we decide what our position is.If something is good for Serbs,we support it.If something is bad for Serbs,we oppose it.If something doesn't affect the Serbs,we don't take a stand."
2."If there is a contradiction between the interests of the US/Russia/Israel and the interests of Serbia,ALWAYS,without hesitation of any kind,ALWAYS we must be ONLY on the side of the state of Serbia."
3."Because in our country--don't forget--in our country,on every matter,on every topic,we have only one question:What is good for the Serbs?"
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Is it fair enough?What do you think?
I agree there,both Serbia and Israel are small countries,tho Serbia is weaker than Israel in Geo-Political sense or maybe any other atm,but still we should stick to that what is good and in our best interests.Staying in the way of any of 2 major powers atm,US and Russia isn't very smart thing to do,or it fits our interests at all.Especially in taking stances in conflicts that doesn't effect us.
But personally in conflict Georgia-Russia if I'd taken a stance it would be supporting Russian troops,they were peace-keeping that zone when Georgia launched an attack on protected zone so they have done their job and did not flee like UN soldiers did from protected zones in Krajina that leaded to mass exodus against Serbs,basically same thing would happen to Ossetian and Abhkazian people.So if they prevented people to suffer and share destiny with Krajina Serbs,thats good thing right?I support them in that case.
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Given the criteria, I will stand by the interests of the US.
Given reality, there is rarely any difference in interests on the major issues of cultural survival. The US media and certain members of the government took a morally and practically wrong decision to back Georgia through a lack of information and old mindsets.
If people are well informed, they will see little difference in interests. I will still strive for American interests in the real world.
They are:
A state of civilization in the world.
Order so that terrorists cannot organize.
Wealth so that money can be made from trade.
Peace so that US troops won't get sent over there.
Nothing threatening the US or allies.
In practice that should mean backing Serbia against Jihadists, Maintaining US sovereign, encouraging trade, trying to find a rational framework for security (not pacifism or automatic support for the "underdog") and safeguarding US interest in more mundane fields.
Due to this convergence of interests, we all form a coalition for our common interests on behalf of our special loyalties.
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Just to add this brother!
Serbs must make those decisions which are in accordance with Orthodoxy, this is not always easy. Some Serbs, Serbs only by name mostly, will misuse the above mentioned conditions to their own advantage. The best for Serbia is, they claim, to do what ever it takes to become economical and materialistic better. When Serbia enters in the EU, Serbia's economy will be equal to the Western? This fraud is propagated by the Western representatives, in Serbia, which control the state.
Our place is not in the EU, where our enemies are located. Our place is the territory of the former Orthodox Byzantic Empire.
What is good for the Serbs?
The answer must always be in accordance with the principles of our Orthodox Church and faith. In some circumstances being pro Orthodox is dangerous. Our history confirms this.
We paid much blood for our religion and it is because of the Church that we had managed to survive. Being Orthodox is not easy and mostly hard. To avoid that our people become tempted to take the easy way (in this time the EU way), we must propagate our Orthodox values above the values of this world. We will maybe be prosecuted for that.
We are prosecuted for being Orthodox. But that is good! If Babylon judges you, than you are on the right side.
I will quote Seselj's speech in the anti- Serbian Hague tribunal:
Seselj: When Napolion's soldiers entered in Russia and took some Russian captured soldiers to execute them. One of the Russian soldiers started very hard to laugh.
He said the following words: "they really think that they can destroy me, by killing me physically? They can not do anything to my eternal should, they can not destroy me, Ha Ha Ha"
Seselj: Ha ha ha, I am laughing also just like he laughed!
You from this tribunal can not do anything against my nationalistic ideology and my eternal soul. I can die tomorrow, I have lived enough. But my death will probably be caused by laughing! Laughing against the funny charges, and the funny United states of America which stands behind this tribunal
02.13 The part about the Russians is cut
Video: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RouuMxrPQxI
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Serbdom with out Orthodoxy is nothing.
What stands for Orthodoxy is only good for the Serbs.
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Радован Караџић чита молитву -Символ вере
Radovan Karadizc:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nO_oOdOpl90
Za kralja i otadzbinu!
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Филм је врло добар. Надам се да је образовање за вас, а ви се људи могу учити из ње. ;D
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If we(all of us) are going to have the same standards how we are going to evaluate(which would be fair,correct?) who is going to have our(Serbian or Jewish or anyone else's) support,then I'll quote Chaim Ben Pesach what he said on the beginning of the video where he had defined very clearly what is the "reference point" on which Jews should support someone.He said:
1."Only according to what is good for Jews should we decide what our position is.If something is good for Jews,we support it.If something is bad for Jews,we oppose it.If something doesn't affect the Jews,we don't take a stand."
2."If there is a contradiction between the interests of the US and the interests of Israel,ALWAYS,without hesitation of any kind,ALWAYS we must be ONLY on the side of the state of Israel."
3."Because in our movement--don't forget--in our movement,on every matter,on every topic,we have only one question:What is good for the Jews?"
So,if I accept this point of view,than I'll use the same logic (which is makiavellist logic-->"the ends justify the means" or goal justify the method) and should put my words like this:
1."Only according to what is good for Serbs should we decide what our position is.If something is good for Serbs,we support it.If something is bad for Serbs,we oppose it.If something doesn't affect the Serbs,we don't take a stand."
2."If there is a contradiction between the interests of the US/Russia/Israel and the interests of Serbia,ALWAYS,without hesitation of any kind,ALWAYS we must be ONLY on the side of the state of Serbia."
3."Because in our country--don't forget--in our country,on every matter,on every topic,we have only one question:What is good for the Serbs?"
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Is it fair enough?What do you think?
I totally agree.
I think his point of view is a little too harsh.
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Филм је врло добар. Ðадам Ñе да је образовање за ваÑ, а ви Ñе људи могу учити из ње. ;D
Man should learn from the Word of God.
ps
Ко ти је помогао да ÑаÑтавиш реченицу на ÑрпÑком језику?
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Филм је врло добар. Надам се да је образовање за вас, а ви се људи могу учити из ње. ;D
WOW!!!!!! ;D
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Филм је врло добар. Надам се да је образовање за вас, а ви се људи могу учити из ње. ;D
WOW!!!!!! ;D
Pozaluista translate Cestra.
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Филм је врло добар. Надам се да је образовање за вас, а ви се људи могу учити из ње. ;D
You must hang out with me for several weeks..you will become a militant Serbian Cetnik.....! ! ! ! ! !
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Hey at least he tried to be nice! For example I have no idea how to write one word in Hebrew! SHAME ON ME!!!!! :'(
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Yes he is also inteligent...
I also know nothing about Hebrew... : (
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Russia IS & has ALWAYS been EVIL. PERIOD.
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Russia IS & has ALWAYS been EVIL. PERIOD.
Some induvidual members of your nation were not evil to the Serbs and the Russians?
again fascist statements: Russia is evil or all muslims are terrotists !
What will you say tomorrow all Serbs are warcriminals or all the people who control the world are Jews ? ?
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Russia IS & has ALWAYS been EVIL. PERIOD.
Some induvidual members of your nation were not evil to the Serbs and the Russians?
again fascist statements: Russia is evil or all muslims are terrotists !
What will you say tomorrow all Serbs are warcriminals or all the people who control the world are Jews ? ?
I thought that you people were smatter than that...
DALMACIJA - Paulette is a very smart woman. I think you shouldn't attack her in that way. Exactly what 'you people' are you referring too?
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Russia IS & has ALWAYS been EVIL. PERIOD.
Some induvidual members of your nation were not evil to the Serbs and the Russians?
again fascist statements: Russia is evil or all muslims are terrotists !
What will you say tomorrow all Serbs are warcriminals or all the people who control the world are Jews ? ?
I thought that you people were smatter than that...
DALMACIJA - Paulette is a very smart woman. I think you shouldn't attack her in that way. Exactly what 'you people' are you referring too?
I do not attack her !
I just do not agree with her....
What is this, does freedom of speach not count for me.....
When others ATTACK the Serbs I do not see you complain!
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Russia IS & has ALWAYS been EVIL. PERIOD.
Some induvidual members of your nation were not evil to the Serbs and the Russians?
again fascist statements: Russia is evil or all muslims are terrotists !
What will you say tomorrow all Serbs are warcriminals or all the people who control the world are Jews ? ?
I thought that you people were smatter than that...
DALMACIJA - Paulette is a very smart woman. I think you shouldn't attack her in that way. Exactly what 'you people' are you referring too?
I do not attack her !
I just do not agree with her....
What is this, does freedom of speach not count for me.....
When others ATTACK the Serbs I do not see you complain!
Freedom of speech!!!
You don't say 'I thought you people were smarter then that' if you are just questioning their opinion.
You have more freedom of speech, on this forum, then anybody else.
I asked you what you meant by 'you people'.
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You don't say 'I thought you people were smarter then that' if you are just questioning their opinion.
You have more freedom of speech, on this forum, then anybody else.
I asked you what you meant by 'you people'.
“You people”: those people who say that Russia and the Russians are evil.
That is nothing what others have said to me and to the SERBS!
I do not see anybody complaining besides 4thinternational against certain posts which content Anti Serbian and Anti Orthodox information.
But still I do not want to pay to much attention to that.
Secondly, No generalization is not something smart.
You can not say Russia is evil with out any normal facts or realistic argumentations and ecxept loyalty of the Serbs. Many of you do not even know Russians or Serbs in real life, so how do you know that Russians are evil and Serbs are good? There is in my eyes to much hate towards the Russians, which I do not understands since all the arguments against Russia sound totally unrealistic.
If somebody says all Catholics are this or all Jews are this than you would also be offended? It is not responsible to constantly declare “I condemn evil Russia”
Russia is evil. What will Russian or Serbian people thing about you?
It just is not responsible behavoir for serious people, like you...
Russia does not deserves to be attacked or humiliated on a Serbian sub forum.
You have 100 Sub forums and a special general forum where you can attack or condemn or humiliate Russia, please do not do that on the Serbian forum….
We Serbs can not see that Russia with argumentations, which are not based on facts, is accused as anti- Semitic, Evil or something like that….
I will response to people moderate do not worry… dear bullcat3
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I believe what I believe, and I WONT change. Russia is EVIL. I didnt say the PEOPLE- Did I>? Nope- the KGB which has never really gone away- is EVIL & kissy kissy with Iran- Evil, just as I said.
Russia has put MY people The Jews through TERRIBLE times. AWFUL. I can tell just by looking at Putins face, he is MEAN & nasty- a HATEFUL mean man.
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I believe what I believe, and I WONT change. Russia is EVIL. I didnt say the PEOPLE- Did I>? Nope- the KGB which has never really gone away- is EVIL & kissy kissy with Iran- Evil, just as I said.
Russia has put MY people The Jews through TERRIBLE times. AWFUL. I can tell just by looking at Putins face, he is MEAN & nasty- a HATEFUL mean man.
Dear Paullete I know that you do not do this on purpose...
I want to appoligize to you....
My last reaction to you was maybe not to perfect....
Here from Dalmacija to Paullete
(http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0eSh7ygcNS5UH/610x.jpg)
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lol :::D
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Russia IS & has ALWAYS been EVIL. PERIOD.
Aha...And Russia prosecuted and killed millions of Jews during centuries in so called Christian (western)Europe,and probably Russia organized the last holocaust in WWII.
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Ok, heres one for a LAUGH :laugh:
(http://www.russiablog.org/BushPutinShakeHandsFlags.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/Flamsterette_X/Smileys/rollbarf1.gif)
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Ok, heres one for a LAUGH :laugh:
(http://www.russiablog.org/BushPutinShakeHandsFlags.jpg)
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Paulette : )
You got talent with the programm of fotoshop......!!
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:::D
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Shalom dear JTF friends (Orthodox,Catholic,Protestant,Jewish,Hindu, et al)
I posted the article on JTF below back in early September but I feel that it is very pertinent to this discussion.For example, our very own CIA worked together with Pakistan in order to create the Taliban and al Qaeda [See articles from the pro-Israel sites cited below for documented evidence of this fact].
Before we condemn Russia as an "evil" nation for supporting Iran we need to look at our own decades long history in covertly supporting and co-operating with Iran in spreading Islamofascist terrorist groups all over the globe, otherwise we are really being hypocritical...(something about "throwing stones" and "glass houses" comes to mind)...
IMPORTANT: Read the articles at the links below below first:
"Why Bush Sr.'s 1991 Gulf War? To Protect Iranian Islamism.
"Like father, like son: this is also the purpose of Bush Jr.'s war."
http://www.hirhome.com/iraniraq/gulfwar.htm
http://www.hirhome.com/iraniraq/guide-iraniraq.htm
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Israpundit article - USA has penchant for creating Islamist Terrorist States all over the globe.
An eye-opening article published by Israpundit at the beginning of this year (before Israpundit was ruined by a certain person calling himself "yamit82"). It helps put the entire Russia vs Georgia conflict in a new light - especially US support for the murderous, genocidal thug - Mikhail Saakashvili - who deliberately destroyed the Jewish Quarter - the home of 20 Jewish families - along with hundreds of other civilian residences in Tskhinvali, South Ossetia with rocket and artillery fire on the morning of August 8, while these people were sleeping.This was several days before Russia intervened.This has now been completely hidden and covered up by the Western media and the Bush administration.
Please note especially the web links contained in comment #5 by 'enigmax' [Max Rosenthal].
http://www.israpundit.com/2007/?p=7086 (http://www.israpundit.com/2007/?p=7086)
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Kosovo’s Nazi Past is its Present
By Ted Belman
Julia Gorin, a specialist on Kosovo, has a new article, Nazis Love America, in which she traces the relationship between Kosovo and the Nazis and wonders why the US is its chief sponsor.
http://politicalmavens.com/index.php/2008/01/07/nazis-love-america/
For that matter, one wonders why US is the chief sponsor of Fatah? Oh, we know that they also have Nazis roots. For that matter so does the CIA.
Apparently the USA has a penchant for creating Islamist states.
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Max Rosenthal's comment (Please click on the link below in order to be able to click on all of the articles highlighted in red in Max's comments)
http://www.israpundit.com/2007/?p=7086#comment-110975
"...A lot of people have wondered about how it is possible that the US government can covertly support fascist-racist Nazis & Islamist terrorists while simultaneously claiming to be fighting against them. People often wonder why US politicians like Joe Lieberman, John McCain, Joe Biden and Tom Lantos can say they are against Islamist terror whilst simultaneously supporting it in the Balkans (ex-Yugoslavia).
The US government foreign policy establishment has supported the creation of Nazi & Islamist fundamentalist states and backed the perpetrators of terrorism in numerous countries (not just in the Middle East) spanning several decades.
It is also beyond dispute that the US government has cooperated with Iran for decades in spreading Islamist terror against target countries. The “US dependence on Arab oil” rationale to explain these sustained policies of supporting Islamist terror and the creation of fundamentalist Muslim states all over the globe over several decades falls flat on its face for a whole host of reasons.
We are analysing policies made by US officials, who presumably are fully grown adults intelligent enough to know the consequences of their policies (actions);policies that have been the result of systematic and painstakingly constructed geostrategic planning by expert specialists in the field of geopolitical grand strategy and psychological operations warfare departments over many years.
We are not analysing the acts of a hapless naive teenager who has fallen into a bad crowd and got caught smoking crack, mugging old ladies and stealing cars who naively could not forsee the consequences of his actions or at least somehow (inexplicably) had good intentions or benign ulterior motives in committing these acts, but somehow “screwed up”.
How for example can it make any sense that the U.S. foreign policy establishment intended to support and strengthen fundamentalist Iran well before the beginning of the Iran-Iraq war?
Did it make sense to first nurture and support al Qaida during the 1980’s in Afghanistan and the 1990’s in Europe (Balkans, i.e. Bosnia, Kosovo)without expecting adverse consequences in the future like 9/11 and the train bombings of Madrid and London?
Or are the US foreign policy establishment planners all just incredibly stupid imbeciles who could not have forseen such consequences, or if they were intelligent enough to see the consequences of their actions, did their “cost-benefit” analyses deem a few thousand civilian deaths in the US and Europe “the price of doing business” for political elite self-interests (often confused with the “national interest” of America and its people)?
Does it make sense for the American political establishment,which claims to be an avowed enemy of Islamism and terrorism, to steep an entire generation of Afghanis in Islamist terrorist violence by shipping millions of US made fundamentalist Jihadist textbooks into Afghanistan’s Islamic religious schools for the last 26 years: all funded and paid for by American taxpayers?
Does it make sense to continue to ship these millions of fundamentalist textbooks despite the terrorist atrocity of 9/11?
Does it make sense that the media doesn’t discuss this? Does it make sense that the “neocons” - the supposed enemies of Islamism - never halted this policy and never called for an immediate government investigation? And why did Bush lie about it if he is genuinely opposed to the spread of Islamism in Afghanistan and elsewhere?
Does it make sense that the above is not a major media scandal the likes of Watergate, BCCI,Savings & Loan and Iran-Contra, but is instead kept quiet?
Oops,”we have screwed up”, “unintended consequences”, or “benign ulterior motives”?
Does it make sense that the US planned Islamist fundamentalist rule - complete with repressive Sharia law - for Afghanistan long before the Soviet invasion of 1979 and that this is now being already implemented despite the terrorist atrocity of 9/11?
Does it make sense that the US government has the same plan of Islamist fundamentalist rule for Iraq as they have in Afghanistan?
Does it make sense that the US is doing the same in neighboring Central Asian states like Uzbekistan, Tadjikistan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan?
Fundamentalist Iran happens to be right next door to the above states as is Afghanistan itself - well what a coincidence! (You know, that supposedly “former” Taliban place where the Taliban form part of the new government and where we shipped millions of Islamist fundamentalist textbooks for the last 26 years at taxpayers’ expense and why we also backed a conference in December of 2002 in Rome advocating Sharia law for Afghanistan.)
Does it make sense that we never heard anything about this on the evening news?
Oops, “we have screwed up”, “unintended consequences”, or “ulterior motives” again?
See map of Central Asia here
Does it make sense that Islamists from all over the world hold anti-Western Jihadist terrorist conferences in US-controlled Afghanistan (and the Balkans,i.e., Bosnia & Kosovo) right under the noses of US officials and military without anything being done to prevent such a conference from taking place?
Does it make sense that US government officials in co-operation with Iran, have backed the creation of TWO Islamist terror states right in the heart of Europe for nearly the last 20 years?
Oops, “we have screwed up”, “unintended consequences”, or “benign ulterior motives” (yet again)?
None of it makes sense unless you understand the geostrategic grand strategy plans that the US foreign policy establishment has been implementing for the last three decades in Central Asia, Europe and the Middle East.
These officials have bragged openly about how the US needs to take over Central Asia on the first step to conquering the giant resource rich continent of Eurasia in order to rule the world. They have bragged openly about how they created,nurtured and developed Islamist terrorism as a geopolitical weapon of destabilization against states that the US wishes to conquer and control.
The major obstacle to taking over the giant resource-rich continent of Eurasia is, you guessed it: Russia. Hence the need to surround Russia with hostile US created fundamentalist Islamist states in Central Asia. Remember, the Chechen Muslim terrorists who murdered all those Russian school children a while back? The very same Chechen fundamentalist terrorists have been covertly aided by the US government and that of NATO. Terrorist attacks like the Beslan school atrocity against the Russians will be the norm rather than the exception if US policy planners have their way in Central Asia.
Similarly,the massive ethnic cleansing and mass murder of Serbs and Jews in Kosovo, Croatia/Krajina and Bosnia could never have occurred without covert US government support of the drug running,child-sex slavery racketeering Thaci-Ceku fascist dominated KLA in Kosovo,Tudjman’s Holocaust-denying Nazi “Ustasha” regime in Croatia & Izetbegovic’s Islamofascist Iranian & al Qaeda-backed SDA regime in Bosnia;covert US support, which by the way, began with the Republican George Herbert Walker Bush (Bush Snr) and not Bill Clinton.
Aiding and abetting Islamist fundamentalist terrorists and pouring billions of dollars of US financial aid, military training and advanced weaponry to put these very same terrorists into state power (as occurred in Bosnia, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran & Central Asian states like Uzbekistan, Tadjikistan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan,etc.) is a bi-partisan affair which transcends party lines.
In order to conquer Eurasia (of which Russia is an integral part) US policy planners say they need to control Central Asia, but in order to control Central Asia, Washington says it needs to control neighboring Afghanistan and Iran [see map here].
The US policy planners know that they can’t crush Iran militarily as easily as they did Iraq and Afghanistan, hence the need for cooperation with Iran’s mullahs (what some people call “appeasement” or “cowardice”)and the need for setting up fundamentalist Islamist states in Central Asia which can be used to destabilize Russia (just as they openly boast about how they destabilized the Soviet Union via al Qaeda - aka “Mujaheddin” - in Afghanistan during the 1980’s, causing the USSR’s eventual collapse) and eventually break up Russia into much smaller and more manageable statelets that Washington can control.
None of this is “conspiracy theory” speculation or conjecture because these officials have bragged about it openly in their own policy papers, books, lectures and in interviews with the European press(which interestingly enough,for some “strange” reason, do not get picked up in any major way by the US establishment media).
I will leave you with the words of the United States’ top geopolitical grand strategist,Zbigniew Brzezinski, who boasts about the US plan for takeover of Eurasia by first taking over Muslim Central Asia (formerly part of the Soviet Union); he also boasts about the fact that Islamism was created in Washington.
Remember, despite having no official cabinet position, Zbigniew Brzezinski (along with Zalmay Khalilzad) is the US foreign policy establishment’s chief geopolitical grand strategist, so it is not just Brzezinski’s mere “opinion” or “personal views” we are examining here in this interview, but rather, the current policies of the US foreign policy establishment.
Watch Brzezinski’s response to the question posed by the French reporter that, is it not true that fundamentalist Islam represents a dire world wide threat?
What does Brzezinski say to this?
“RUBBISH!”
Brzezinski’s Interview with Le Nouvel Observateur
Le Nouvel Observateur: Former CIA director Robert Gates states in his memoirs: The American secret services began six months before the Soviet intervention to support the Mujahideen [in Afghanistan]. At that time you were president Carters security advisor; thus you played a key role in this affair. Do you confirm this statement?
Zbigniew Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version, the CIA’s support for the Mujahideen began in 1980, i.e. after the Soviet army’s invasion of Afghanistan on 24 December 1979. But the reality, which was kept secret until today, is completely different: Actually it was on 3 July 1979 that president Carter signed the first directive for the secret support of the opposition against the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And on the same day I wrote a note, in which I explained to the president that this support would in my opinion lead to a military intervention by the Soviets.
Le Nouvel Observateur: Despite this risk you were a supporter of this covert action? But perhaps you expected the Soviets to enter this war and tried to provoke it?
Zbigniew Brzezinski: It’s not exactly like that. We didn’t push the Russians to intervene but we knowingly increased the probability that they would do it.
Le Nouvel Observateur: When the Soviets justified their intervention with the statement that they were fighting against a secret US interference in Afghanistan, nobody believed them. Nevertheless there was a core of truth to this…Do you regret nothing today?
Zbigniew Brzezinski: Regret what? This secret operation was an excellent idea. It lured the Russians into the Afghan trap, and you would like me to regret that? On the day when the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote president Carter, in essence: “We now have the opportunity to provide the USSR with their Viet Nam war.” Indeed for ten years Moscow had to conduct a war that was intolerable for the regime, a conflict which involved the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet Empire.
Le Nouvel Observateur: And also, don’t you regret having helped future terrorists, having given them weapons and advice?
Zbigniew Brzezinski: What is most important for world history? The Taliban or the fall of the Soviet Empire? Some Islamic hotheads or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?
Le Nouvel Observateur: “Some hotheads?” But it has been said time and time again: today Islamic fundamentalism represents a world-wide threat…
Zbigniew Brzezinski: Rubbish! It’s said that the West has a global policy regarding Islam. That’s hogwash: there is no global Islam. Let’s look at Islam in a rational and not a demagogic or emotional way. It is the first world religion with 1.5 billion adherents. But what is there in common between fundamentalist Saudi Arabia, moderate Morocco, militaristic Pakistan, pro-Western Egypt and secularized Central Asia? Nothing more than that which connects the Christian countries…
[End of Brzezinski’s interview with Le Nouvel Observateur]
An examination of selected quotes from the blueprint of the US foreign policy establishment’s geopolitical grand strategy: Brzezinski’s book “The Grand Chessboard,” written in 1997.
“…The last decade of the twentieth century has witnessed a tectonic shift in world affairs. For the first time ever, a non-Eurasian power has emerged not only as a key arbiter of Eurasian power relations but also as the world’s paramount power. The defeat and collapse of the Soviet Union was the final step in the rapid ascendance of a Western Hemisphere power, the United States, as the sole and, indeed, the first truly global power… (p. xiii)
“… But in the meantime, it is imperative that no Eurasian challenger emerges, capable of dominating Eurasia and thus of also challenging America. The formulation of a comprehensive and integrated Eurasian geostrategy is therefore the purpose of this book. (p. xiv)
“The attitude of the American public toward the external projection of American power has been much more ambivalent. The public supported America’s engagement in World War II largely because of the shock effect of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. (pp 24-5)
“For America, the chief geopolitical prize is Eurasia… Now a non-Eurasian power is preeminent in Eurasia - and America’s global primacy is directly dependent on how long and how effectively its preponderance on the Eurasian continent is sustained. (p.30)
“America’s withdrawal from the world or because of the sudden emergence of a successful rival - would produce massive international instability. It would prompt global anarchy.” (p. 30)
“In that context, how America ‘manages’ Eurasia is critical. Eurasia is the globe’s largest continent and is geopolitically axial. A power that dominates Eurasia would control two of the world’s three most advanced and economically productive regions. A mere glance at the map also suggests that control over Eurasia would almost automatically entail Africa’s subordination, rendering the Western Hemisphere and Oceania geopolitically peripheral to the world’s central continent.
About 75 per cent of the world’s people live in Eurasia, and most of the world’s physical wealth is there as well, both in its enterprises and underneath its soil. Eurasia accounts for 60 per cent of the world’s GNP and about three-fourths of the world’s known energy resources.” (p.31)
It is also a fact that America is too democratic at home to be autocratic abroad. This limits the use of America’s power, especially its capacity for military intimidation. Never before has a populist democracy attained international supremacy. But the pursuit of power is not a goal that commands popular passion, except in conditions of a sudden threat or challenge to the public’s sense of domestic well-being. The economic self-denial (that is, defense spending) and the human sacrifice (casualties, even among professional soldiers) required in the effort are uncongenial to democratic instincts. Democracy is inimical to imperial mobilization.” (p.35)
“Two basic steps are thus required: first, to identify the geostrategically dynamic Eurasian states that have the power to cause a potentially important shift in the international distribution of power and to decipher the central external goals of their respective political elites and the likely consequences of their seeking to attain them;… second, to formulate specific U.S. policies to offset, co-opt, and/or control the above…” (p. 40)
“…To put it in a terminology that harkens back to the more brutal age of ancient empires, the three grand imperatives of imperial geostrategy are to prevent collusion and maintain security dependence among the vassals, to keep tributaries pliant and protected, and to keep the barbarians from coming together.” (p.40)
“Henceforth, the United States may have to determine how to cope with regional coalitions that seek to push America out of Eurasia, thereby threatening America’s status as a global power.” (p.55)
Comment by enigmax — January 16, 2008 @ 11:22 pm
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I am AGAINST the US rulers or almost dictators now. I know what America WAS/and in many cases STILL is. We have been throughout our history GOOD people. I say Putin is EVIL- simply b/c he IS, just like Our own PRES Bush is a NUMBSKULL. I am 100% PATRIOTIC American, I know what my family sacrificed in OTHER countries so that people would NOT be under fascists and dictators! People should be GRATEFUL to America in EU especially- did the people over in EU like Hitler or something>? B/c IF America NEVER went over there during WW2- ALL OF EU would be under DICTATORS, and NOT posting on forums.
I dont like Anti-American sentiment, and ESPECIALLY DO NOT LIKE when people in OTHER countries tell US WHAT TO DO!!!!! It is BECAUSE we have WUSS's in our HIGH offices that we have all of the COMPROMISE. If America NEVER compromised on almost EVERYTHING it has compromised as of the last 20 yrs we would STILL be the #1 Super-Power, & now we are NOT- this makes me SICKENED! I was SUPPOSE to inherit a STRONG America- not this compromising JUNK I see now.
NOBODY has ANY healthy fear of us now- it is SO BAD that people say WHATEVER they want about AMERICA- and FORGET that it was MY COUNTRY AMERICA that has set the STANDARD -TOTALLY for FREEDOM. DONT EVER FORGET THAT. And maybe, just MAYBE some other countries MIGHT remember and come to OUR AID ONCE IN A BLUE MOON!!!!! >:(
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Our "brave" "anti-terrorist" leaders are kissy...kissy...kissy...not just with the Iranians and Pakistanis for decades but...
15 of the 19 muslim hijackers on 9/11 came from.......guess where...SAUDI ARABIA!!
(http://www.hermes-press.com/bush_kiss.jpg)
(http://www.danwei.org/2008/03/31/bush_saudi1.jpg)
(http://joshualandis.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/bush_saudi.jpg)
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Our "brave" "anti-terrorist" leaders are kissy...kissy...kissy...not just with the Iranians and Pakistanis for decades but...
15 of the 19 muslim hijackers on 9/11 came from.......guess where...SAUDI ARABIA!!
(http://www.hermes-press.com/bush_kiss.jpg)
(http://www.danwei.org/2008/03/31/bush_saudi1.jpg)
(http://joshualandis.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/bush_saudi.jpg)
The first pick was photoshopped
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"The first pick was photoshopped"
I am very well aware of that AmericanHero...the first photo was chosen as sarcasm about "kissing" (get it?) up to our muslim enemies because of our [supposed] "dependence on their oil" despite the fact that they have murdered many thousands of our people over the last 30 years.
In any case, the DESPICABLY EVIL muslim Saudi "kings" and "princes" who are so fond of PUBLIC BEHEADINGS and STONINGS of WOMEN have kissed Bush's face on the cheek whilst Bush in return has kissed their evil BUTT cheeks.
Now that's enough to make one SICK to their stomach and lose their breakfast real quick...
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"The first pick was photoshopped"
I am very well aware of that AmericanHero...the first photo was chosen as sarcasm about "kissing" (get it?) up to our muslim enemies because of our [supposed] "dependence on their oil" despite the fact that they have murdered many thousands of our people over the last 30 years.
In any case, the DESPICABLY EVIL muslim Saudi "kings" and "princes" who are so fond of PUBLIC BEHEADINGS and STONINGS of WOMEN have kissed Bush's face on the cheek whilst Bush in return has kissed their evil BUTT cheeks.
Now that's enough to make one SICK to their stomach and lose their breakfast real quick...
You put that up why not this
(http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/pp188/seer_2008/putin-and-ahmadinejad.jpg)
(http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/pp188/seer_2008/5_putin_pres_iran.jpg)
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I am AGAINST the US rulers or almost dictators now. I know what America WAS/and in many cases STILL is. We have been throughout our history GOOD people. I say Putin is EVIL- simply b/c he IS, just like Our own PRES Bush is a NUMBSKULL. I am 100% PATRIOTIC American, I know what my family sacrificed in OTHER countries so that people would NOT be under fascists and dictators! People should be GRATEFUL to America in EU especially- did the people over in EU like Hitler or something>? B/c IF America NEVER went over there during WW2- ALL OF EU would be under DICTATORS, and NOT posting on forums.
Yes,we would be posting on forums.
Today,majority of Europe or more precisely European Union,is made on Hitler's idea.The idea that was put through Adolf Hitler have won,and we are posting in Europe where this idea is base for society.Now,if you can't see that,I really cant explain...I know that majority of US citizens are not aware of many things.
And another thing.Forums and posting is related to electricity.And for that,you should thank to a Serb-Nikola Tesla. :-)
NOBODY has ANY healthy fear of us now- it is SO BAD that people say WHATEVER they want about AMERICA- and FORGET that it was MY COUNTRY AMERICA that has set the STANDARD -TOTALLY for FREEDOM. DONT EVER FORGET THAT. And maybe, just MAYBE some other countries MIGHT remember and come to OUR AID ONCE IN A BLUE MOON!!!!! >:(
We fought for our freedom while Europeans didn't know about American continent at all...sorry,but I have to laugh on that statement about "freedom standard". :-))))
ps
Today,American freedom is atheist liberalism-liberal from moral values.That's why your country is facing the economic collapse.The main reason is absence of moral laws.Roman Empire ended just like that...moral values were on zero level,homosexuals ruled,satanism and corruptness spread in every aspect of life.
Today,economy isn't the no.1 problem in USA or EU,it's moral problem,because societies are based on hedonism,egoism and disrespect of moral laws(and moral law doesn't have an alternative).
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Russia IS & has ALWAYS been EVIL. PERIOD.
Some induvidual members of your nation were not evil to the Serbs and the Russians?
again fascist statements: Russia is evil or all muslims are terrotists !
What will you say tomorrow all Serbs are warcriminals or all the people who control the world are Jews ? ?
Who the hell do you think you are?
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"The first pick was photoshopped"
I am very well aware of that AmericanHero...the first photo was chosen as sarcasm about "kissing" (get it?) up to our muslim enemies because of our [supposed] "dependence on their oil" despite the fact that they have murdered many thousands of our people over the last 30 years.
In any case, the DESPICABLY EVIL muslim Saudi "kings" and "princes" who are so fond of PUBLIC BEHEADINGS and STONINGS of WOMEN have kissed Bush's face on the cheek whilst Bush in return has kissed their evil BUTT cheeks.
Now that's enough to make one SICK to their stomach and lose their breakfast real quick...
You put that up why not this
(http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/pp188/seer_2008/putin-and-ahmadinejad.jpg)
(http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/pp188/seer_2008/5_putin_pres_iran.jpg)
Brother…Only placing pictures without any serious argumentations is not something that will impress much…
You can also place pictures of Serbs with Nazis Germans and take wrong conclusions based on the pictures. People are negotiating with each other in order to save what can be saved. It is better to have debates in order to avoid confrontations, than provoking us other and treating each other.
You American Hero are part Ukraine?
You must know that with Western help and blessings from the Vatican the genocide in Ukraine, which resulted in millions of death Ukrainians, was carried out.
You must know that the communists were also conducting the shame genocide against the other Orthodox peoples in Russian and Yugoslavia. Russia is not your enemy, you have Orthodox blood in your wanes, you should not take anti- Russian propaganda as your official theory.
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"You put that up why not this"
Because AhmadinnerJihad comes from Iran and Iran was not where the 15 of the 19 Islamofascist hijackers that attacked us on 9/11 came from - they came from Saudi Arabia , and Bush is kissing their muslim asses even after the attacks, that's why.
Oh and by the way you can post photos of AhmadinnerJihad with Putin all you like since Putin is RUSSIAN and not an American, and Putin did not shake hands with AhmadinnerJihad on AMERICAN SOIL now did he?
Having that in mind, do you care to explain why Bush saw fit to approve the visit by AhmadinnerJihad - the Iranian Islamofascist terrorist - to our very own Columbia University - arranged by our very own Globalist CFR [Council On Foreign Relations] not that long ago? Can you imagine someone like Saddam Hussein visiting the US to make a speech to an "American" institution like Columbia University? WHAT THE HELL IS THIS GUY DOING BEING INVITED TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO GIVE A "SPEECH" TO AN AMERICAN UNIVERSITY??!!
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Russia IS & has ALWAYS been EVIL. PERIOD.
Some induvidual members of your nation were not evil to the Serbs and the Russians?
again fascist statements: Russia is evil or all muslims are terrotists !
What will you say tomorrow all Serbs are warcriminals or all the people who control the world are Jews ? ?
Who the hell do you think you are?
Haha you can say what you want but you will not provoke me on internet comrade...
People like you who are expressing their frustrations on the internet have not my sympathy at all.
I feel sorry for you and I think that you hate your life honestly… Why would you waste your time in hate and bitterness..
This is my last post to you.... : ) bye bye.....
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"You put that up why not this"
Because AhmadinnerJihad comes from Iran and Iran was not where the 15 of the 19 Islamofascist hijackers that attacked us on 9/11 came from - they came from Saudi Arabia , and Bush is kissing their muslim donkeys even after the attacks, that's why.
Oh and by the way you can post photos of AhmadinnerJihad with Putin all you like since Putin is RUSSIAN and not an American, and Putin did not shake hands with AhmadinnerJihad on AMERICAN SOIL now did he?
Having that in mind, do you care to explain why Bush saw fit to approve the visit by AhmadinnerJihad - the Iranian Islamofascist terrorist - to our very own Columbia University - arranged by our very own Globalist CFR [Council On Foreign Relations] not that long ago? Can you imagine someone like Saddam Hussein visiting the US to make a speech to an "American" institution like Columbia University? WHAT THE HELL IS THIS GUY DOING BEING INVITED TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO GIVE A "SPEECH" TO AN AMERICAN UNIVERSITY??!!
Is Iran not the country who vowed to commit a 2nd Holocaust against your brothers and sisters in Israel.?
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Russia IS & has ALWAYS been EVIL. PERIOD.
Some induvidual members of your nation were not evil to the Serbs and the Russians?
again fascist statements: Russia is evil or all muslims are terrotists !
What will you say tomorrow all Serbs are warcriminals or all the people who control the world are Jews ? ?
Who the hell do you think you are?
Haha you can say what you want but you will not provoke me on internet comrade...
People like you who are expressing their frustrations on the internet have not my sympathy at all.
I feel sorry for you and I think that you hate your life honestly… Why would you waste your time in hate and bitterness..
This is my last post to you.... : ) bye bye.....
The point is that Russia is the evil one. Your statements are absurd. You always cry bc your criticized for attacking the US, yet you critcize other people for criticizing an Islamic terrorist funding nazi Communist Evil Empire KGB ran Russia.
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"You put that up why not this"
Because AhmadinnerJihad comes from Iran and Iran was not where the 15 of the 19 Islamofascist hijackers that attacked us on 9/11 came from - they came from Saudi Arabia , and Bush is kissing their muslim donkeys even after the attacks, that's why.
Oh and by the way you can post photos of AhmadinnerJihad with Putin all you like since Putin is RUSSIAN and not an American, and Putin did not shake hands with AhmadinnerJihad on AMERICAN SOIL now did he?
Having that in mind, do you care to explain why Bush saw fit to approve the visit by AhmadinnerJihad - the Iranian Islamofascist terrorist - to our very own Columbia University - arranged by our very own Globalist CFR [Council On Foreign Relations] not that long ago? Can you imagine someone like Saddam Hussein visiting the US to make a speech to an "American" institution like Columbia University? WHAT THE HELL IS THIS GUY DOING BEING INVITED TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO GIVE A "SPEECH" TO AN AMERICAN UNIVERSITY??!!
Is Iran not the country who vowed to commit a 2nd Holocaust against your brothers and sisters in Israel.?
EXACTLY, brother ProJewChristian...that is precislely my point, dear brother! So why was he invited to make a speech to an American university in the first place and why has America been covertly supporting Iran for decades?
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"You put that up why not this"
Because AhmadinnerJihad comes from Iran and Iran was not where the 15 of the 19 Islamofascist hijackers that attacked us on 9/11 came from - they came from Saudi Arabia , and Bush is kissing their muslim donkeys even after the attacks, that's why.
Oh and by the way you can post photos of AhmadinnerJihad with Putin all you like since Putin is RUSSIAN and not an American, and Putin did not shake hands with AhmadinnerJihad on AMERICAN SOIL now did he?
Having that in mind, do you care to explain why Bush saw fit to approve the visit by AhmadinnerJihad - the Iranian Islamofascist terrorist - to our very own Columbia University - arranged by our very own Globalist CFR [Council On Foreign Relations] not that long ago? Can you imagine someone like Saddam Hussein visiting the US to make a speech to an "American" institution like Columbia University? WHAT THE HELL IS THIS GUY DOING BEING INVITED TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO GIVE A "SPEECH" TO AN AMERICAN UNIVERSITY??!!
Is Iran not the country who vowed to commit a 2nd Holocaust against your brothers and sisters in Israel.?
EXACTLY, brother ProJewChristian...that is precislely my point, dear brother! So why was he invited to make a speech to an American university in the first place and why has America been covertly supporting Iran for decades?
Did Bush ban Israel in 2004 to bomb nuclear facilities in Iran?
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"You put that up why not this"
Because AhmadinnerJihad comes from Iran and Iran was not where the 15 of the 19 Islamofascist hijackers that attacked us on 9/11 came from - they came from Saudi Arabia , and Bush is kissing their muslim donkeys even after the attacks, that's why.
Oh and by the way you can post photos of AhmadinnerJihad with Putin all you like since Putin is RUSSIAN and not an American, and Putin did not shake hands with AhmadinnerJihad on AMERICAN SOIL now did he?
Having that in mind, do you care to explain why Bush saw fit to approve the visit by AhmadinnerJihad - the Iranian Islamofascist terrorist - to our very own Columbia University - arranged by our very own Globalist CFR [Council On Foreign Relations] not that long ago? Can you imagine someone like Saddam Hussein visiting the US to make a speech to an "American" institution like Columbia University? WHAT THE HELL IS THIS GUY DOING BEING INVITED TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO GIVE A "SPEECH" TO AN AMERICAN UNIVERSITY??!!
Is Iran not the country who vowed to commit a 2nd Holocaust against your brothers and sisters in Israel.?
EXACTLY, brother ProJewChristian...that is precislely my point, dear brother! So why was he invited to make a speech to an American university in the first place and why has America been covertly supporting Iran for decades?
The university is an anti-Right Wing university and there were protests against his attendance, but sadly thats the consequence of having the crappy nazi UN in the country.
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"...there were protests against his attendance
Brother, forget the evil UN. Bush could have blocked the visit of AhmadinnerJihad to Columbia University if he wanted to. He chosed not to. How many Congressmen and Senators were out on the streets PUBLICLY protesting his visit to Columbia University? How many of these Congressmen and Senators telephoned or wrote letters to Bush expressing their disapproval for allowing this speech to take place?
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"Did Bush ban Israel in 2004 to bomb nuclear facilities in Iran?"
YES brother Kerber. Bush took the so-called "advice" from the Globalist CFR back then and pressured Israel not to launch a unilateral strike on her own as it would supposedly "hurt American interests".
Read the article from 2004 below:
"CFR to Bush: Stop Israeli strike on Iran's nuke sites"
http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2004/ss_israel_07_30.html
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"Did Bush ban Israel in 2004 to bomb nuclear facilities in Iran?"
YES brother Kerber. Bush took the so-called "advice" from the Globalist CFR back then and pressured Israel not to launch a unilateral strike on her own as it would supposedly "hurt American interests".
Read the article from 2004 below:
"CFR to Bush: Stop Israeli strike on Iran's nuke sites"
http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2004/ss_israel_07_30.html
The USA alliance is more than I can say about the Serbian alliance with Israel. Oh wait, there is no alliance.
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"Did Bush ban Israel in 2004 to bomb nuclear facilities in Iran?"
YES brother Kerber. Bush took the so-called "advice" from the Globalist CFR back then and pressured Israel not to launch a unilateral strike on her own as it would supposedly "hurt American interests".
Read the article from 2004 below:
"CFR to Bush: Stop Israeli strike on Iran's nuke sites"
http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2004/ss_israel_07_30.html
The USA alliance is more than I can say about the Serbian alliance with Israel. Oh wait, there is no alliance.
Brother ProJewChristian, that's because we have self-hating traitorous and suicidal leaders in Israel who kiss the butts of our enemies. When G-d willing, the great Chaim Ben Pesach becomes Prime Minister of Israel one day and the pro-EU/NATO government in Serbia is kicked out, REST ASSURED BROTHER, THERE WILL BE A FORMAL ALLIANCE BETWEEN ISRAEL AND SERBIA!!
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"Did Bush ban Israel in 2004 to bomb nuclear facilities in Iran?"
YES brother Kerber. Bush took the so-called "advice" from the Globalist CFR back then and pressured Israel not to launch a unilateral strike on her own as it would supposedly "hurt American interests".
Read the article from 2004 below:
"CFR to Bush: Stop Israeli strike on Iran's nuke sites"
http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2004/ss_israel_07_30.html
The USA alliance is more than I can say about the Serbian alliance with Israel. Oh wait, there is no alliance.
Brother ProJewChristian, that's because we have self-hating traitorous and suicidal leaders in Israel who kiss the butts of our enemies. When G-d willing, the great Chaim Ben Pesach becomes Prime Minister of Israel one day and the pro-EU/NATO government in Serbia is kicked out, REST ASSURED BROTHER, THERE WILL BE A FORMAL ALLIANCE BETWEEN ISRAEL AND SERBIA!!
I hope your right!
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I am AGAINST the US rulers or almost dictators now. I know what America WAS/and in many cases STILL is. We have been throughout our history GOOD people. I say Putin is EVIL- simply b/c he IS, just like Our own PRES Bush is a NUMBSKULL. I am 100% PATRIOTIC American, I know what my family sacrificed in OTHER countries so that people would NOT be under fascists and dictators! People should be GRATEFUL to America in EU especially- did the people over in EU like Hitler or something>? B/c IF America NEVER went over there during WW2- ALL OF EU would be under DICTATORS, and NOT posting on forums.
Yes,we would be posting on forums.
Today,majority of Europe or more precisely European Union,is made on Hitler's idea.The idea that was put through Adolf Hitler have won,and we are posting in Europe where this idea is base for society.Now,if you can't see that,I really cant explain...I know that majority of US citizens are not aware of many things.
And another thing.Forums and posting is related to electricity.And for that,you should thank to a Serb-Nikola Tesla. :-)
NOBODY has ANY healthy fear of us now- it is SO BAD that people say WHATEVER they want about AMERICA- and FORGET that it was MY COUNTRY AMERICA that has set the STANDARD -TOTALLY for FREEDOM. DONT EVER FORGET THAT. And maybe, just MAYBE some other countries MIGHT remember and come to OUR AID ONCE IN A BLUE MOON!!!!! >:(
We fought for our freedom while Europeans didn't know about American continent at all...sorry,but I have to laugh on that statement about "freedom standard". :-))))
ps
Today,American freedom is atheist liberalism-liberal from moral values.That's why your country is facing the economic collapse.The main reason is absence of moral laws.Roman Empire ended just like that...moral values were on zero level,homosexuals ruled,satanism and corruptness spread in every aspect of life.
Today,economy isn't the no.1 problem in USA or EU,it's moral problem,because societies are based on hedonism,egoism and disrespect of moral laws(and moral law doesn't have an alternative).
Kerber- FACE THE FACTS: EU WOULD BE NADA WITHOUT USA. TY- have a nice life- you UNGRATEFUL SCHMUCK!
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I am AGAINST the US rulers or almost dictators now. I know what America WAS/and in many cases STILL is. We have been throughout our history GOOD people. I say Putin is EVIL- simply b/c he IS, just like Our own PRES Bush is a NUMBSKULL. I am 100% PATRIOTIC American, I know what my family sacrificed in OTHER countries so that people would NOT be under fascists and dictators! People should be GRATEFUL to America in EU especially- did the people over in EU like Hitler or something>? B/c IF America NEVER went over there during WW2- ALL OF EU would be under DICTATORS, and NOT posting on forums.
Yes,we would be posting on forums.
Today,majority of Europe or more precisely European Union,is made on Hitler's idea.The idea that was put through Adolf Hitler have won,and we are posting in Europe where this idea is base for society.Now,if you can't see that,I really cant explain...I know that majority of US citizens are not aware of many things.
And another thing.Forums and posting is related to electricity.And for that,you should thank to a Serb-Nikola Tesla. :-)
NOBODY has ANY healthy fear of us now- it is SO BAD that people say WHATEVER they want about AMERICA- and FORGET that it was MY COUNTRY AMERICA that has set the STANDARD -TOTALLY for FREEDOM. DONT EVER FORGET THAT. And maybe, just MAYBE some other countries MIGHT remember and come to OUR AID ONCE IN A BLUE MOON!!!!! >:(
We fought for our freedom while Europeans didn't know about American continent at all...sorry,but I have to laugh on that statement about "freedom standard". :-))))
ps
Today,American freedom is atheist liberalism-liberal from moral values.That's why your country is facing the economic collapse.The main reason is absence of moral laws.Roman Empire ended just like that...moral values were on zero level,homosexuals ruled,satanism and corruptness spread in every aspect of life.
Today,economy isn't the no.1 problem in USA or EU,it's moral problem,because societies are based on hedonism,egoism and disrespect of moral laws(and moral law doesn't have an alternative).
Kerber- FACE THE FACTS: EU WOULD BE NADA WITHOUT USA. TY- have a nice life- you UNGRATEFUL SCHMUCK!
Hahaha...
You don't understand anything...
I do admit that,and I'm really sorry that a thing such as EU exists at all.And yes,USA is a godfather to process of "Euro-integrations".So,that's why I said that US should stop "helping".
So,why should I be grateful for a NWO thing,a new Babylon thing(EU) that I can't think off?
I want Europe based on morality,and not to create projection of US liberal society.
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NO- YOU DONT GET IT. You HATE my country- so- guess what Sugar- I HATE YOU. And guess what ELSE? We are NOT taken over by ISLAM YET- YOU ARE. We SAVED YOUR SORRY PATHETIC UNGRATEFUL PIG BUTTS- get lost- you anti-American TROLL.
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Shalom sister Paulette,
I did a post on this [literally] Nazi created EU earlier.The EU is an EVIL TOTALITARIAN NAZI idea which was pushed by National Socialists [Nazis] and Fascists during the 1930's and 40's and then developed jointly by Germany, the United Kingdom, France and the US during the 1950's to the 1990's!
Please read all about it here:
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?PHPSESSID=1ufii5b40vvigddheqpj7k6ua6&topic=27157.0
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All I can say about this whole issue is how sad and disenchanted I am that JTF forum has become a platform where a country like Russia is glorified. How is it possible after all Russia has done to the Jewish people and how they have killed and persecuted any part of their population that went against the grain of their evil world wide agenda that people must come here to JTF and see this mixed message. I am sure countless visitors to our forum are left scratching their heads why posts like that are allowed. Chaim supports the Serbs but to have Russia glorified each day and America talked down in the process is very counterproductive to our movement.
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NO- YOU DONT GET IT. You HATE my country- so- guess what Sugar- I HATE YOU. And guess what ELSE? We are NOT taken over by ISLAM YET- YOU ARE. We SAVED YOUR SORRY PATHETIC UNGRATEFUL PIG BUTTS- get lost- you anti-American TROLL.
You saved me?Really?
Just wait a little...Was that in Croatia,Bosnia or Kosovo?I can't remember properly.
;-)))
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NO- YOU DONT GET IT. You HATE my country- so- guess what Sugar- I HATE YOU. And guess what ELSE? We are NOT taken over by ISLAM YET- YOU ARE. We SAVED YOUR SORRY PATHETIC UNGRATEFUL PIG BUTTS- get lost- you anti-American TROLL.
Stick to your guns Paulette I am with you 100%
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All I can say about this whole issue is how sad and disenchanted I am that JTF forum has become a platform where a country like Russia is glorified. How is it possible after all Russia has done to the Jewish people and how they have killed and persecuted any part of their population that went against the grain of their evil world wide agenda that people must come here to JTF and see this mixed message. I am sure countless visitors to our forum are left scratching their heads why posts like that are allowed. Chaim supports the Serbs but to have Russia glorified each day and America talked down in the process is very counterproductive to our movement.
There is no glorification,just not a different perception of the situation.
Russia isn't a saint.It has imperial history,and we all know what that means.
But,you should know that almost all of patriot Serbians does support Russia,and it is a historical legacy that you probably don't know.
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All I can say about this whole issue is how sad and disenchanted I am that JTF forum has become a platform where a country like Russia is glorified. How is it possible after all Russia has done to the Jewish people and how they have killed and persecuted any part of their population that went against the grain of their evil world wide agenda that people must come here to JTF and see this mixed message. I am sure countless visitors to our forum are left scratching their heads why posts like that are allowed. Chaim supports the Serbs but to have Russia glorified each day and America talked down in the process is very counterproductive to our movement.
There is no glorification,just not a different perception of the situation.
Russia isn't a saint.It has imperial history,and we all know what that means.
But,you should know that almost all of patriot Serbians does support Russia,and it is a historical legacy that you probably don't know.
And I am loosing interest in it more each day with the hostility that comes out of the Serbian section against my country. Last time I checked this was the Jewish Task Force Not the Serbian Task Force Site
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All I can say about this whole issue is how sad and disenchanted I am that JTF forum has become a platform where a country like Russia is glorified. How is it possible after all Russia has done to the Jewish people and how they have killed and persecuted any part of their population that went against the grain of their evil world wide agenda that people must come here to JTF and see this mixed message. I am sure countless visitors to our forum are left scratching their heads why posts like that are allowed. Chaim supports the Serbs but to have Russia glorified each day and America talked down in the process is very counterproductive to our movement.
There is no glorification,just not a different perception of the situation.
Russia isn't a saint.It has imperial history,and we all know what that means.
But,you should know that almost all of patriot Serbians does support Russia,and it is a historical legacy that you probably don't know.
And I am loosing interest in it more each day with the hostility that comes out of the Serbian section against my country. Last time I checked this was the Jewish Task Force Not the Serbian Task Force Site
If I say that USA is under control of idiots and that American society is being used for wrong global goals,am I anti-your country?
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Chaim gave Serbs a good opportunity to educate people about the situation in your country. Let people know how America could help moving forward. People don't want to hear what happened 50, 100 or a thousand years ago. You are beating a dead horse and all you are doing is raising a big stink that no one wants to be around. If Russia is helping Serbia G-d bless you but remember Russia's help comes at a price and once they move in they don't ever like to leave.
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Shalom dear brothers and sisters on JTF,
PLEASE let's all calm down here and not fight amongst ourselves. We are all in this together dear people!
I deplore and condemn what Bill - "I did not have sex with that woman" - Clinton and his evil wife Hillary Sodom Clinton did in ethnically cleansing over 1 Million Serbs out of Bosnia and over 700,000 Serbs out of Krajina and Croatia and killing tens of thousands of Serbs in the process.
I also condemn and deplore what George Bandar Wahabbi Bush did to Serbia by stripping Kosovo and Metohija - Serbs very own 'Jerusalem' and the 1,000+ year old spiritual heart and soul of the Serbian people - away from Serbia and giving it to vile disgusting,murderous Islamofascist terrorists which has again resulted in nearly half a million Serbs being ethnically cleansed from their spiritual homeland and many thousands of Serbs being murdered to this very day. This is GENOCIDE, dear brothers and sisters that is happeneing to the Serbian Christian people!!
The fact that I condemn and deplore what my nation's leaders have doen to the Christian Serbs does NOT mean I hate my own country or hate my own people. I love my country and I love my people.
If you want to understand why Serbs support Russia apart from their centuries long Christian Orthodox and Slavic blood ties, you must remember that Russia was the only nation coming to the Serbian people's defense over Kosovo.
Kerber I truly believe in my heart that you do not hate America or the American people but only what corrupt American politicians like Clinton and Bush - who have also done immense harm to this country - have done to your people. Your last post confirmed that and I applaud you for saying so, brother.
Shalom,
Joshua.
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All I can say about this whole issue is how sad and disenchanted I am that JTF forum has become a platform where a country like Russia is glorified. How is it possible after all Russia has done to the Jewish people and how they have killed and persecuted any part of their population that went against the grain of their evil world wide agenda that people must come here to JTF and see this mixed message. I am sure countless visitors to our forum are left scratching their heads why posts like that are allowed. Chaim supports the Serbs but to have Russia glorified each day and America talked down in the process is very counterproductive to our movement.
There is no glorification,just not a different perception of the situation.
Russia isn't a saint.It has imperial history,and we all know what that means.
But,you should know that almost all of patriot Serbians does support Russia,and it is a historical legacy that you probably don't know.
And I am loosing interest in it more each day with the hostility that comes out of the Serbian section against my country. Last time I checked this was the Jewish Task Force Not the Serbian Task Force Site
If I say that USA is under control of idiots and that American society is being used for wrong global goals,am I anti-your country?
CLEAN UP YOUR OWN BACKYARD! Take care of YOUR Country- and SHUT UP about USA. >:(
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Shalom dear brothers and sisters on JTF,
PLEASE let's all calm down here and not fight amongst ourselves. We are all in this together dear people!
I deplore and condemn what Bill - "I did not have sex with that woman" - Clinton and his evil wife Hillary Sodom Clinton did in ethnically cleansing over 1 Million Serbs out of Bosnia and over 700,000 Serbs out of Krajina and Croatia and killing tens of thousands of Serbs in the process.
I also condemn and deplore what George Bandar Wahabbi Bush did to Serbia by stripping Kosovo and Metohija - Serbs very own 'Jerusalem' and the 1,000+ year old spiritual heart and soul of the Serbian people - away from Serbia and giving it to vile disgusting,murderous Islamofascist terrorists which has again resulted in nearly half a million Serbs being ethnically cleansed from their spiritual homeland and many thousands of Serbs being murdered to this very day. This is GENOCIDE, dear brothers and sisters that is happeneing to the Serbian Christian people!!
The fact that I condemn and deplore what my nation's leaders have doen to the Christian Serbs does NOT mean I hate my own country or hate my own people. I love my country and I love my people.
If you want to understand why Serbs support Russia apart from their centuries long Christian Orthodox and Slavic blood ties, you must remember that Russia was the only nation coming to the Serbian people's defense over Kosovo.
Kerber I truly believe in my heart that you do not hate America or the American people but only what corrupt American politicians like Clinton and Bush - who have also done immense harm to this country - have done to your people. Your last post confirmed that and I applaud you for saying so, brother.
Shalom,
Joshua.
Of course I don't hate.
But it seems to me that some here can't understand that the people isn't the same thing with the "official country"(oficial Washington,official Belgrade,official Beijing,official Moscow,etc) and its policy.
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All I can say about this whole issue is how sad and disenchanted I am that JTF forum has become a platform where a country like Russia is glorified. How is it possible after all Russia has done to the Jewish people and how they have killed and persecuted any part of their population that went against the grain of their evil world wide agenda that people must come here to JTF and see this mixed message. I am sure countless visitors to our forum are left scratching their heads why posts like that are allowed. Chaim supports the Serbs but to have Russia glorified each day and America talked down in the process is very counterproductive to our movement.
There is no glorification,just not a different perception of the situation.
Russia isn't a saint.It has imperial history,and we all know what that means.
But,you should know that almost all of patriot Serbians does support Russia,and it is a historical legacy that you probably don't know.
And I am loosing interest in it more each day with the hostility that comes out of the Serbian section against my country. Last time I checked this was the Jewish Task Force Not the Serbian Task Force Site
If I say that USA is under control of idiots and that American society is being used for wrong global goals,am I anti-your country?
CLEAN UP YOUR OWN BACKYARD! Take care of YOUR Country- and SHUT UP about USA. >:(
"CLEAN UP YOUR OWN BACKYARD"...I would like to,but you see,this is very hard when I have a foreign troops in my backyard.
So,how could I shut up about the things that affects my life?Well,I supposed that you can't understand that until you live that.Practical experience is everything...
If you are sincere in your wish to change the US and its policy,then I'm on your side.
But,if you can't take any critics put to your country(and exclusively for you only->"country"=state establishment),then I can't see what do you want to change.
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I'm polite to you and have a respectful attitude,but you are starting to be rude.
One more thing...
If you think that you may call on patriotism whenever some one put a critics to "your country" so you could reject it,then you don't have any idea what the patriotism is.
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All I can say about this whole issue is how sad and disenchanted I am that JTF forum has become a platform where a country like Russia is glorified. How is it possible after all Russia has done to the Jewish people and how they have killed and persecuted any part of their population that went against the grain of their evil world wide agenda that people must come here to JTF and see this mixed message. I am sure countless visitors to our forum are left scratching their heads why posts like that are allowed. Chaim supports the Serbs but to have Russia glorified each day and America talked down in the process is very counterproductive to our movement.
There is no glorification,just not a different perception of the situation.
Russia isn't a saint.It has imperial history,and we all know what that means.
But,you should know that almost all of patriot Serbians does support Russia,and it is a historical legacy that you probably don't know.
And I am loosing interest in it more each day with the hostility that comes out of the Serbian section against my country. Last time I checked this was the Jewish Task Force Not the Serbian Task Force Site
If I say that USA is under control of idiots and that American society is being used for wrong global goals,am I anti-your country?
CLEAN UP YOUR OWN BACKYARD! Take care of YOUR Country- and SHUT UP about USA. >:(
"CLEAN UP YOUR OWN BACKYARD"...I would like to,but you see,this is very hard when I have a foreign troops in my backyard.
So,how could I shut up about the things that affects my life?Well,I supposed that you can't understand that until you live that.Practical experience is everything...
If you are sincere in your wish to change the US and its policy,then I'm on your side.
But,if you can't take any critics put to your country(and exclusively for you only->"country"=state establishment),then I can't see what do you want to change.
ps
I'm polite to you and have a respectful attitude,but you are starting to be rude.
One more thing...
If you think that you may call on patriotism whenever some one put a critics to "your country" so you could reject it,then you don't have any idea what the patriotism is.
Trust me, you dont want to run around calling OTHER people rude. I understand your hostility.
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Again I will close this topic! Here are too many unnecessary posts which doesn't do good to any of us! Please people calm down!